| 00:01.17 | mindjuju | i usually say my department is out of funds and that it won't be til next quarter before we can look at new purchases |
| 00:01.24 | mindjuju | that usually drives off all sales for a while |
| 00:02.28 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm usually pretty straight forward with them |
| 00:02.43 | macnewbold | I had one guy the other day calling back 6-10 months after I had requested pricing on a load balancer |
| 00:02.56 | macnewbold | it was one of those places that annoyingly posts details about the product without posting any pricing |
| 00:03.05 | macnewbold | so I had to request pricing, then they call back innumerable times |
| 00:03.32 | macnewbold | I told him straight up I wanted prices to see if they were near my range ($200+/-) and his was in the thousands |
| 00:03.38 | macnewbold | so I'm obviously not going to buy it, |
| 00:03.59 | macnewbold | so I said the only reason was to find out if they were anywhere near my ballpark |
| 00:04.47 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a salesperson that works for us though. |
| 00:05.27 | Lone_Wanderer | "We need you to do this horribly complex thing. I know it will be easy because, how hard can it be? You just need to switch the domain name from A to B." |
| 00:05.42 | Lone_Wanderer | (Where B is pointing to a site that's already doing something completely different.) |
| 00:05.47 | Lone_Wanderer | (And A is apparently running on IIS.) |
| 00:06.06 | mindjuju | heh -- yeah, everything seems so simple to everybody not doing it |
| 00:06.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway. Today is not a day for complaining. No time. Later all. |
| 00:22.40 | wps | http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu-jobs/ |
| 00:38.25 | bigdog_ut | ~kill freebsd |
| 00:38.26 | jbot | ACTION shoots a ionized neutrino gun at freebsd |
| 00:44.40 | fungus | ~hug freebsd |
| 00:44.41 | jbot | ACTION sneaks up on freebsd and suddenly hugs freebsd tightly |
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| 01:45.37 | mindjuju | anybody still around |
| 01:48.02 | mindjuju | if i have a mobo with DDR slots, and I current have 1 stick ofPC2700 256mb DDR what would happen if I put in a second still of PC3200 256mb DDR ? |
| 01:48.33 | mindjuju | oops, not still, but a second stick of PC3200 256mb DDR |
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| 05:48.09 | herlo | anyone know why I get the following error? |
| 05:48.11 | herlo | Fatal error: Call to undefined function sqlite_open() |
| 05:48.46 | herlo | I am calling it from the CLI. I have sqlite installed and it seems I have most everything else installed |
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| 15:16.56 | dataw0lf | morning |
| 15:17.03 | dataw0lf | http://www.informatimago.com/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linux.html |
| 15:17.04 | dataw0lf | no, no, really |
| 15:19.00 | dataw0lf | herlo: you fix that sqlite problem? |
| 15:19.54 | swb | morning |
| 15:20.31 | dataw0lf | hey swb |
| 15:21.00 | swb | dataw0lf: know of any particularly good sites or tutorials about video? |
| 15:21.20 | swb | I need the basics about framerate, bitrate, codecs, sampling, yada, yada. |
| 15:24.00 | dataw0lf | hm, good question. I don't know of any. |
| 15:24.11 | swb | thanks anyway, :) |
| 15:26.02 | dataw0lf | http://streaming.wisconsin.edu/understand/understand.html here you go |
| 15:26.07 | swb | hey, check out the photo credit on this page... :) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5297289 |
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| 15:26.39 | swb | thanks dataw0lf!! |
| 15:27.04 | dataw0lf | that's the best picture of duct tape I've ever seen. |
| 15:27.06 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 15:27.08 | swb | lol |
| 15:27.26 | swb | it's cool to find a photo credit, that's one of my istock photos |
| 15:29.05 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 15:30.23 | swb | well, let me tell you then! iStockphoto is a royalty-free stock photography company. |
| 15:30.29 | swb | my portfolio: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&userID=336095 |
| 15:31.43 | swb | it's a nice site for getting inexpensive stock photos for web design |
| 15:31.44 | mindjuj1 | that's cool about the duct tape |
| 15:32.18 | dataw0lf | so, uh, where does this businesswoman in the corporate leader photo work? |
| 15:32.22 | swb | hehe, thanks mindjuju |
| 15:32.23 | dataw0lf | and do they have a position open? |
| 15:32.41 | swb | she's currently in law school at Cornell |
| 15:33.05 | dataw0lf | aw, jeez. Ivy League chicks are a handful. |
| 15:33.13 | swb | lol |
| 15:33.34 | dataw0lf | they're usually too busy trying to prove they're smarter than you. |
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| 15:33.59 | dataw0lf | Ivy League guys do it with a lot more desperation, though. |
| 15:34.14 | swb | but they're worth the touble ;) |
| 15:34.36 | swb | and... they might *actually* be smarter than you ;) |
| 15:34.38 | dataw0lf | they're fun to argue with, I know that much. |
| 15:34.57 | dataw0lf | c'mon swb. This is reality here, not Star Trek. Noone's smarter than me. |
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| 15:35.20 | dataw0lf | right, gibba[w]? |
| 15:35.30 | swb | I hate to admit it, but you are pretty smart (seriously) |
| 15:35.43 | gibba[w] | what're we talkin about here? |
| 15:35.48 | dataw0lf | how smart I am |
| 15:35.52 | dataw0lf | thanks swb |
| 15:35.57 | swb | the more I hang out with UPHPU, the more I realize I hardly know anything about php! |
| 15:36.06 | dataw0lf | same here. |
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| 15:36.42 | swb | I'm inspired to get a php book and study. |
| 15:38.55 | dataw0lf | omg |
| 15:39.03 | dataw0lf | code teevs! |
| 15:39.06 | dataw0lf | http://de.tikiwiki.org/xref-head/nav.html?lib/html2pdf/output.pdflib.class.php.html |
| 15:39.21 | dataw0lf | that's totally my class |
| 15:41.22 | dataw0lf | I'm tempted to write my congressman about it. |
| 15:41.52 | dataw0lf | I'd run out of space before I even got the code issue, however, as soon as I (first line) started a rant on Bush and Iraq. |
| 15:42.02 | _psychic_ | ha |
| 15:43.56 | dataw0lf | I wondered if I've been labelled a terrorist yet. |
| 15:44.28 | mindjuj1 | if not yet, then likely now |
| 15:45.01 | mindjuj1 | can't imagine it takes much effort to scan IRC for words like that |
| 15:45.22 | dataw0lf | the CIA is a bunch of Ivy League lawyers, anyway, I'd just win an argument with them and make good my escape while they were astounded. |
| 15:45.44 | swb | lol |
| 15:45.54 | mindjuj1 | course though, if I had to put money on it, i'd say that herlo was an NSA agent, just deep under cover |
| 15:46.27 | mindjuj1 | guru labs is the perfect cover, he doesn't ever how to ask questions about code or pages he's working on cause he's a "instructor" |
| 15:46.46 | dataw0lf | yea, see, I've suspected you of being an ATF agent for a while now. |
| 15:47.01 | mindjuj1 | me ATF? |
| 15:47.18 | dataw0lf | yes, because of how ineffective you are, primarily in arguments against me |
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| 15:49.32 | dataw0lf | seriously, dude, this has got to be the scariest group I've heard of in a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPFO |
| 15:51.37 | mindjuj1 | curious |
| 15:59.16 | mindjuj1 | i wonder why bigdog_ut changed his name to thebigdog ? |
| 15:59.33 | dataw0lf | I don't know how this mailing list argument went from the pros and cons of netfilter to whether Rage will be inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame, but I'm going to win it nevertheless |
| 16:00.03 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: to separate him from lesser bigdogs, I assume |
| 16:00.11 | mindjuj1 | ah |
| 16:00.40 | herlo | dataw0lf: didn't fix the problem, but I have no time now. Later today maybe? |
| 16:00.49 | dataw0lf | herlo: sure. |
| 16:00.56 | herlo | dataw0lf: tx |
| 16:02.21 | mindjuj1 | see, herlo got some lead that he's going off to investigate -- course though, that he was talking to dataw0lf, must mean that dataw0lf is also NSA or that he's in some other agency... army intellegence maybe ? |
| 16:02.46 | dataw0lf | that's how they spell it, too |
| 16:03.03 | mindjuj1 | heh, my bad |
| 16:03.27 | dataw0lf | Army Intelligence used to be a bunch of nerds with calculators sitting behind a sincgars |
| 16:03.35 | dataw0lf | now they're a bunch of thugs. |
| 16:03.40 | dataw0lf | I don't know which one I prefer more. |
| 16:04.29 | mindjuj1 | maybe they have hybrids? muscly nerds? |
| 16:04.57 | mindjuj1 | brawny nerds |
| 16:05.17 | mindjuj1 | like the guy on the paper towels, but with big glasses |
| 16:05.26 | mindjuj1 | and green camo |
| 16:05.34 | dataw0lf | well, I was referring to 'thug' in the sense of their attitude and lacking of morals, really |
| 16:05.45 | mindjuj1 | oh |
| 16:05.50 | dataw0lf | they're still skinny weaklings |
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| 16:24.32 | thebigdog | a great song none the less |
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| 16:37.58 | dataw0lf | anyone see the speech given by Sasha Cohen last night on the Golden Globes? |
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| 16:39.27 | dataw0lf | Sacha*, that is |
| 16:44.23 | dataw0lf | http://www.abc4.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ac6c084a-97d2-4ce9-9b38-632e118745d5 |
| 16:44.26 | dataw0lf | that's what I'm talking about |
| 16:44.31 | dataw0lf | put that taxpayer money to work |
| 16:45.50 | _psychic_ | Men, next week we'll all be heading to the bahamas. Its.. um... a recruitment mission. Yeah. |
| 16:52.42 | dataw0lf | Dude, seriously. |
| 16:52.54 | dataw0lf | people like O.J. are why we need armed vigilantes wandering around |
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| 18:01.51 | gibba[w] | who, lolutah went down ... wonder whats up |
| 18:01.55 | gibba[w] | whoa* |
| 18:02.12 | gibba[w] | eco: you disconnect too? |
| 18:02.39 | eco | Whoa, I forgot I was in this channel. |
| 18:02.59 | eco | Christian runs it on his own server doesn't he? |
| 18:04.17 | eco | Looks like the entire box went down, not just the irc server. |
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| 19:30.38 | swb | NSA |
| 19:30.56 | thebigdog | mindjuj1, bigdog |
| 19:31.21 | _psychic_ | mindjuj1: localhost |
| 19:31.40 | dataw0lf | mindjuj1: placeofamilliondelights |
| 19:32.01 | thebigdog | waxonwaxoff |
| 19:32.19 | mindjuj1 | hmm... i was thinking something "star wars"-esque but Karate Kid could be cool |
| 19:32.42 | dataw0lf | use goonies |
| 19:32.47 | thebigdog | danielson |
| 19:32.53 | thebigdog | goonies is good |
| 19:33.02 | thebigdog | or thundercat names |
| 19:33.05 | dataw0lf | chunk, data, mouth, sloth |
| 19:33.10 | _psychic_ | 1eyedwilly |
| 19:33.20 | _psychic_ | pincersofpower |
| 19:33.24 | dataw0lf | I already have thundercat names, don't be copping my styles |
| 19:33.29 | thebigdog | oh |
| 19:33.40 | thebigdog | then heman is good too |
| 19:34.00 | dataw0lf | Dukes of Hazzard |
| 19:34.05 | mindjuj1 | the dukes! |
| 19:34.12 | mindjuj1 | yeah, that's be cool |
| 19:34.21 | thebigdog | bo.server.com |
| 19:34.26 | thebigdog | stupid.server.com |
| 19:34.33 | dataw0lf | firewall: thegenerallee.server.com |
| 19:34.38 | mindjuj1 | heh |
| 19:34.42 | thebigdog | ok that is +1 |
| 19:34.57 | thebigdog | cause that is a cool name |
| 19:34.58 | mindjuj1 | 'xcept i was wanting to use "Order 66" to wipe out employee records |
| 19:35.07 | thebigdog | funny...car is the only one with cool name |
| 19:35.40 | dataw0lf | pshaw, bosshog.server.com |
| 19:36.06 | thebigdog | annoying |
| 19:36.28 | thebigdog | only good thing on that show generallee and daisy dukes |
| 19:36.50 | thebigdog | and arrows with explosive tips |
| 19:38.33 | thebigdog | nice little ditty -> http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/future-weapons/weapons/zone1/barrett-m107-rifle.html |
| 19:39.57 | Utah_Dave | I just got back to the office and was reading what I missed while I was gone. |
| 19:40.08 | Utah_Dave | I must say that herlo isn't serious enough to be NSA |
| 19:42.25 | mindjuj1 | heh |
| 19:42.31 | mindjuj1 | funny you'd say that |
| 19:42.37 | mindjuj1 | i figured you were his super |
| 19:42.46 | mindjuj1 | so of course you'd come to cover his blown cover |
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| 19:43.02 | Utah_Dave | oops |
| 19:43.24 | mindjuj1 | utah_dave, it's funny you'd say that, cause I figured you were his super, so of course you'd say'd that to cover his blown cover |
| 19:43.36 | mindjuj1 | that's why ya'll working on that one "project" together |
| 19:43.51 | Utah_Dave | L.A.R.D. |
| 19:44.03 | mindjuj1 | yup |
| 19:44.33 | mindjuj1 | course, i also know who the director of the NSA is too, it's none other than SWB !!! |
| 19:44.43 | swb | muhwahahahaha |
| 19:45.06 | mindjuj1 | i've seen enough xfiles, i know how to read you gov types |
| 20:08.56 | mindjuj1 | heh |
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| 20:09.46 | Lone_Wanderer | ahoy |
| 20:09.51 | mindjuj1 | sup |
| 20:10.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Not much, you? |
| 20:11.08 | mindjuj1 | eh, not much. found out that herlo, utah_dave and swb all work for the NSA |
| 20:11.30 | dataw0lf | and the tobacco companies. |
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| 21:09.56 | mindjuj1 | anybody feel like going to a convention to see the new HP blade center? |
| 21:10.09 | _psychic_ | free food? |
| 21:11.07 | mindjuj1 | yup |
| 21:11.15 | mindjuj1 | swag too, from what i hear, but food fo sho |
| 21:12.50 | _psychic_ | I think it's "schwag" |
| 21:13.08 | mindjuj1 | ~schwag |
| 21:13.10 | jbot | schwag is, like, free stuff, usually given away at cons. Items such as tshirts, pens, calculators, and other silly toys. |
| 21:13.16 | mindjuj1 | ~swag |
| 21:13.17 | jbot | Silly Wild-Assed Guess |
| 21:13.30 | mindjuj1 | hmm... well there is the end of that! |
| 21:13.39 | mindjuj1 | schwag, then |
| 21:15.32 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 21:17.01 | mindjuj1 | brb |
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| 21:38.53 | mindjuju | we should help that guy out that just posted to the mailserv |
| 21:39.22 | mindjuju | maybe we should have a uphpu PHP Jamboree |
| 21:39.48 | mindjuju | then we could get the PHP users in Hawaii to throw a similar event that we could go to |
| 21:40.01 | bradym | sounds good to me :) |
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| 21:46.01 | Lone_Wanderer | ping macnewbold |
| 21:46.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ~ping rather |
| 21:46.07 | jbot | pong rather |
| 21:46.31 | macnewbold | pong Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:46.46 | Lone_Wanderer | May I PM? |
| 21:46.52 | macnewbold | of course :) |
| 21:52.27 | mindjuju | i hate it when companies take a fine piece of software that is functional and replace it with crap that doesn't work |
| 21:54.44 | _psychic_ | like windows 95? |
| 21:54.56 | beandog | like gaim? |
| 21:56.45 | mindjuju | IBM had a program that would update all the drivers on a compy, |
| 21:57.26 | mindjuju | worked like a champ if you just installed windows and hadn't loaded any drivers yet, just run the app on the box, it detects all the hardware and goes and fetches all the needed drivers from lenovo |
| 21:57.52 | mindjuju | well, obviously it was working too good, cause they've made an updated version, that actually throws an error |
| 21:58.15 | mindjuju | what os you using now _psychic_ ? |
| 21:58.29 | _psychic_ | Mac OS X |
| 21:58.43 | herlo | slartibartfast |
| 22:00.37 | _psychic_ | Thank you for commenting. |
| 22:03.47 | mindjuju | i'm thinking about buying a mac for my wife |
| 22:04.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Mac! Mac! Mac! Mac! |
| 22:06.18 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 22:06.46 | Lone_Wanderer | :) |
| 22:07.27 | macnewbold | I have fanboys? what? |
| 22:07.58 | Lone_Wanderer | macINTOSH ;) |
| 22:08.25 | mindjuju | /me, sensing a rumble a 'brewing, decides to take out the "easyPop - Popcorn" |
| 22:08.28 | fungus | Maybe, how fast does the macnewboldBook go? |
| 22:09.30 | dataw0lf | hopefully it's better than macINTOSH gear. |
| 22:10.54 | dataw0lf | maybe I was about to throw it at you, or something. |
| 22:12.56 | fungus | mindjuju heard wrong. ubuntu is a rip of *everything* all put in one wonderful place. |
| 22:13.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Source control. |
| 22:14.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Have a repository. Developers check out code to their own location to test it. Have the live server check out code from the respository when it's stable. |
| 22:14.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Correct? |
| 22:14.21 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: yea, the day that happens, dw is jumping off a building in desperation. |
| 22:15.11 | fungus | Lone_Wanderer: that's a general good idea. |
| 22:15.18 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 22:15.22 | Utah_Dave | isn't the macnewboldBook dual core? |
| 22:15.51 | fungus | no, I bet the macnewboldBook is a new quad core, with a bajillion teraflops. |
| 22:16.05 | _psychic_ | Its actually based on quantum computing. |
| 22:17.01 | mindjuju | ugh, stop the insanity! i install win2k3 and go to MS to get the latest security fixes --- guess how many CRITICALLY URGENT -- MUST INSTALL IMMEDIATELY patches there are for the base system |
| 22:17.25 | _psychic_ | oooh now you can kill more spiders |
| 22:17.32 | _psychic_ | burning ones apparently |
| 22:17.46 | mindjuju | 51 patches |
| 22:17.49 | fungus | yup, really really big spiders |
| 22:17.56 | _psychic_ | exciting |
| 22:18.02 | _psychic_ | world of whyamigrinding |
| 22:20.53 | Utah_Dave | I wonder what will get finished first: fungus beating WoW or mindjuju installing all those patches |
| 22:21.20 | _psychic_ | I suspect they are connected somehow... |
| 22:21.43 | fungus | well, since neither have an end, I think it will be a tie. |
| 22:21.43 | Utah_Dave | Hmm. that's an interesting thought |
| 22:21.55 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 22:22.14 | _psychic_ | MS should partner up with Blizzard so that each dead spider == one downloaded patch |
| 22:23.03 | fungus | Find some way to get those chinese gold farmers working on making patches for windows instead. |
| 22:23.25 | Utah_Dave | good ideas guys |
| 22:24.18 | _psychic_ | ddo? |
| 22:24.25 | beandog | dungeons & dragons online |
| 22:24.29 | beandog | sure beats neverwinter nights 2. |
| 22:25.44 | _psychic_ | how much/mo? |
| 22:25.54 | beandog | im not sure |
| 22:25.58 | beandog | Im still on my free trial |
| 22:26.16 | _psychic_ | The marketing people gotta love people like you. |
| 22:26.33 | beandog | man you have no idea |
| 22:26.48 | _psychic_ | Methinks *you* have no idea. |
| 22:26.57 | _psychic_ | For real you don't know the monthly fee? |
| 22:26.58 | beandog | heh |
| 22:27.00 | beandog | nope. |
| 22:27.05 | beandog | who cares. its fun. :) |
| 22:28.22 | beandog | I imagine its somewhere in the $15/mo range. |
| 22:28.34 | beandog | the cool thing is they add new content on for free. |
| 22:36.58 | mindjuju | this part (the patch install on a new server) prolly take 2 hours |
| 22:37.23 | mindjuju | cause, after this, i have to install .net framework - then patch |
| 22:37.32 | mindjuju | then windows media streaming - then patch |
| 22:37.39 | mindjuju | then other services - then patch |
| 22:39.52 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: don't you have some younglings you could have babysit the patching? |
| 22:40.23 | beandog | heh |
| 22:40.33 | beandog | it'd be faster to install gentoo ;) |
| 22:40.41 | mindjuju | had a padawan, but had to can him |
| 22:40.54 | _psychic_ | beandog: that's questionable |
| 22:41.08 | mindjuju | the next padawan is coming online shortly |
| 22:41.09 | _psychic_ | mostly because gentoo is never *installed* |
| 22:41.14 | beandog | shh |
| 22:44.29 | mindjuju | man, i should have just gone the distance to the nearest Whopper King. Instead went to Wendy's and the oil for the fries must be like 2 months old |
| 22:45.12 | Lone_Wanderer | ick |
| 22:45.40 | mindjuju | yeah tasted like what i imagine 30w does |
| 22:53.19 | _psychic_ | I love that song |
| 22:53.26 | _psychic_ | We played that in pep band |
| 22:53.35 | mindjuju | yeah, tis an awesome tune |
| 22:54.11 | mindjuju | when I was RA in college, it is how i would signal quiet time, by playing it at the top volume |
| 23:02.19 | Utah_Dave | pep band++ |
| 23:02.21 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 23:02.43 | _psychic_ | percussion++ |
| 23:03.46 | mindjuju | percussion was awesome, but i always wanted to play trumpet |
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| 23:09.05 | drip | my uncle invented the EVI which was an electronic trumpet years ago. |
| 23:09.25 | drip | but haven't touched one for years. |
| 23:13.05 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: I played percussion, too |
| 23:13.17 | _psychic_ | what kind? |
| 23:14.41 | Utah_Dave | pretty much everything, but snare was my favorite |
| 23:16.12 | _psychic_ | I played trap and quads |
| 23:21.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Au revoir, mes ami. |
| 23:22.10 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 23:43.39 | Utah_Dave | anybody have a few minutes to help me figure out a database design question? |
| 23:45.47 | bradym | i'm willing to try :) |
| 23:45.58 | dataw0lf | g'head |
| 23:46.00 | Utah_Dave | ok. |
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| 23:46.12 | Utah_Dave | I re-doing how user rights are set up |
| 23:46.32 | Utah_Dave | right now it's done by some bitmasks that are setup in a config file |
| 23:46.43 | Utah_Dave | it's a great system and is very fast |
| 23:46.53 | dataw0lf | bitmasking tis very fast |
| 23:46.54 | Utah_Dave | but it's a pain to update or add rights too |
| 23:47.07 | dataw0lf | why is that? |
| 23:47.43 | Utah_Dave | well, it was written by a C++ programmer who only worked for us for a year and he made it overly complicated |
| 23:47.58 | dataw0lf | just assign the various bitmask values to a bunch of constants, and & them in. |
| 23:48.13 | dataw0lf | (when you want to add rights) |
| 23:48.34 | Utah_Dave | I'm thinking of putting the rights in the database and then putting them into bitmasks in the session when the user logs in |
| 23:49.10 | dataw0lf | well, if you got them as bitmasks, store them as bitmasks at least. |
| 23:49.25 | dataw0lf | and use the bitmask as the index :) |
| 23:50.30 | Utah_Dave | so each right is a row in the table and has a number that's it's bitmask? |
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| 23:51.13 | dataw0lf | Right. |
| 23:51.39 | brasto | do any of you use a cms (php or perl) for a knowledgebase? |
| 23:51.50 | Utah_Dave | So then would I have a column in the user table that has a & of all the rights that user has? |
| 23:51.50 | dataw0lf | bitmask_row: index bitmask | varchar desc |
| 23:52.39 | dataw0lf | right. |
| 23:53.03 | Utah_Dave | ok, that's sounding really good |
| 23:53.22 | dataw0lf | or do a many to many relationship. I'd just have the full permission bitmask in the user table though |
| 23:53.24 | bradym | brasto: not sure what features you are looking for exactly, but if I were to setup a knowledge base I'd probably use drupal (http://drupal.org) |
| 23:53.44 | Utah_Dave | then I could just throw the bitmask in their session variable after they're authenticated |
| 23:53.54 | dataw0lf | correct |
| 23:54.03 | brasto | convenient, bradym - I just installed that one to play with it recently. |
| 23:54.23 | dataw0lf | then, for various operations, just & compare the permission to the user's permission |
| 23:54.24 | Utah_Dave | I was moving toward doing a many to many relationship, but that seemed to be a headache too. |
| 23:55.09 | dataw0lf | y'know, I'd have the permissions table set as: index bitmask | varchar description | varchar name, now that I think about it |
| 23:55.22 | bradym | drupal is very powerful, but the learning curve can be pretty steep.. so consider yourself warned :) |
| 23:55.46 | brasto | i found knowledgebox on sf.net , but it does not have any documentation, and it's not working yet. |
| 23:55.47 | bradym | for basic content sites it's great though, I'm using it for my personal site (http://bradym.net) |
| 23:56.23 | brasto | any thoughts on wordpress as a knowledgebase? |
| 23:56.38 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: so for the bitmask, would I start with 0, then 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, etc? |
| 23:57.16 | brasto | the trouble with cms - most are not quite powerful enough for a true knowledgebase, or they are not organized quite the way I envision one should be organized. |
| 23:58.35 | bradym | drupal is definitely powerful enough, it's very customizable.. it may be easier to use wordpress though, and it does a good job of sorting things by category.. |
| 23:58.36 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: start with 1 |
| 23:59.02 | Utah_Dave | ok, but that's the idea, right? |
| 23:59.06 | bradym | brasto: what exactly are you looking for in a cms to create your knowledgebase |
| 23:59.49 | mindjuju | datawolf, i'm interested in learning moree about what you guys were talking about with bitmasking and account security, but when I looked at wikipedia, didn't really explain it well |