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14:45.42dataw0lfuggh g,
14:45.54dataw0lfg'morning
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15:16.37Utah_Davegood morning everyone!
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15:16.50swbmorning Utah_Dave, what's new?
15:17.33Utah_Davewell, a raid on one of servers almost died last night. But we managed to get it back up. As of this morning it's completely rebuilt
15:17.49Utah_DaveIt sure gave us a scare. We had some mission critical apps on there
15:18.08swbwell, congrats for getting back on track then  :)
15:18.37Utah_Davethanks.
15:19.09Utah_DaveIt all started because one of our guys was installing a new server right below that raid in the rack. Somehow he managed to unplug BOTH power supplies that go to the raid.
15:26.40dataw0lfthat guy is lucky you got 'er back up
15:36.28swbRHCP?
15:37.59dataw0lfred hot chili peppers
15:38.20swbnice :)
15:38.57swbdataw0lf: so what's the deal, are you in SLC today?
15:39.31dataw0lfno, I was actually supposed to go to Portland today for work, but my doctor told me I couldn't fly for a couple weeks.
15:40.07swbhey optikal, so you probably already know about the google PR update, but I just saw this post: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/infrastructure-status-january-2007/
15:40.43swbno flying? how come?
15:40.56Black_Chaoscause he ain't superman
15:41.26dataw0lfI busted a vessel in one of my lungs and there is a little blood pooled in there
15:41.35dataw0lfbecause I'm not superman
15:41.45swbawww, hope you feel better,... in time to ski at Whistler1
15:41.50swbs/1/!/
15:41.57dataw0lfyea, I will be, don't worry.
15:42.06dataw0lfI'll take my chances if I have to
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15:42.31swbI don't ski much, but I think I'm going to ski Sat. after the conference
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15:42.47optikalswb: I sure did see that :)
15:42.55swbI thought you probably did
15:43.08swbyou're all about the seo
15:43.24dataw0lfthat and gayness
15:45.13optikalswb: We've got PR 2 on 90% of thge servers now :)
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15:45.55optikalI've been doing nothing but SEO mods to our domains for the past few weeks, its been fun
15:45.57swbonly 2 because it's still early?
15:46.12optikalYeah, I'll bet its 6 in 3mos.
15:46.24optikalDomain is fresh too
15:46.41optikalI think I just came out of the "sandbox"
15:46.59dataw0lfhttp://blog.outer-court.com/archive/2007-01-11-n25.html
15:47.03swbit's a good example to see how long stuff takes on average
15:47.12optikalyeah
15:47.30optikalOnce we get some solid relative backlinks in place, and a little bits more age on the ole belt, it'll set up nicely methinks.
15:48.29optikalThere's a trick you can do to get a site out of the sandbox quicker and make google set your age a few years old off the start, but I wasn't about to go tryin to fool Google.
15:48.47optikalA blacklist for our company on Google would be devasting.
15:49.06dataw0lfyea, don't want to be devasted
15:49.09optikal*devastating
15:49.13swbgood idea (to not get banned that is)
15:49.35optikaldataw0lf: stfu you
15:49.46dataw0lf:D
15:49.51optikal:O
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15:50.12dataw0lf:\
15:50.30dataw0lfI always think of cookie monster when I do a :\ or :|
15:51.27dataw0lfvocals not to soothe, but to ignite and put in flight, my sense, of militance
15:54.53swboptikal: what feed reader do you use?
15:56.28optikalswb: Google Reader
15:56.52swb:) me too, we should share seo feed lists (OPML?)
15:58.37optikalSure, lemme export
15:59.58optikalJust send yours to optikals@gmail.com
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16:05.18dataw0lfdang I wish I had a 1968 Dodge Charger
16:08.04optikalswb: Where shall I send this to?
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16:25.50mindjujuman, haven't really been reading the chat since i was sick last several days, but i see there is tons of info on SEO
16:29.41optikalyups
16:30.22dataw0lfyay, the blood is getting darker.
16:30.24optikalHere shortly, when I stop being the biggest procrastinator ever, I'll get my site up all the way and when I do so, I plan to have a bunch of SEO and Web Developer Info/Tips on it.
16:30.58mindjujuthat would be cool
16:31.19swbwhat's your site optikal?
16:31.57dataw0lfoptikal.org
16:32.53optikalIts quite old
16:33.04optikalIt was "omg I'm learning CSS! Lets do some fun stuff!"
16:33.24dataw0lfy'know
16:33.27swbyes, needs SEO articles, and a feed!
16:34.02dataw0lfare there any websites out there that supply a small service where you post their link (JS or something) and it supplies the description and format?
16:34.43dataw0lfsee.  that'd be cool.
16:38.29optikalI'm not so sure I understand
16:39.14dataw0lfor, a service where you submit your link and description, and then others can pull that list based on certain criteria
16:39.36dataw0lfyou could have an interface on the server side to make comments about said link and vote on it
16:40.12optikalSo you're saying a link farm, where they collect links/descriptions and categorize them, then Joe blow can come up and get 10 links with their descriptions for x category?
16:40.20dataw0lfcorrect
16:40.29optikalYeah, they're all over.. and they blow.
16:40.30dataw0lfand also choose whether to display rating and comments
16:40.49optikalThey'll hurt your SEO
16:40.59swbum, what about del.icio.us?
16:41.02dataw0lfI don't care about my SEO
16:41.09optikalWe played with em for a bit
16:41.11swbsounds like del.icio.us
16:41.19dataw0lfis that what del.icio.us does?
16:41.35swbit's an online bookmarking service
16:41.39swbit's nifty
16:41.47dataw0lfit has an XHR service?
16:41.47optikalOooh.  I've still go the wrong idea in my head here I think.
16:41.57optikalWhat would the purpose of the site be? Why would I go there?
16:42.14dataw0lfI'm not talking about a global site, I'm talking a private community site
16:42.31dataw0lfor a global site with private communities
16:43.11optikaloooh, to share links within a community?
16:43.11dataw0lfso, say, me and you and some others are all interested in the same thing(web dev)
16:43.11dataw0lfwe can go into our little community and submit links
16:43.11optikalahha
16:43.11dataw0lfand people can vote on whether they stay in or not
16:43.12optikalGood idea~
16:43.12dataw0lfand also rate them
16:43.12dataw0lfand add comments
16:43.14swblike a link sharing/rating space on uphpu.org?
16:43.20swbthat'd be cool
16:43.29dataw0lfand then, you could have an XHR service that allows them to post them on your own site
16:43.29optikalI'm not sure, I dont personally know of anything like that.. if theres not, you may be on to something
16:44.25thebigdogdataw0lf great site for you -> http://www.platewire.com/
16:45.15dataw0lfnice
16:45.26thebigdoglol great stuff
16:45.26dataw0lfI prefer to just hit people who piss me off on the road, though
16:46.42thebigdogits sad :( when you see your wife's plate on there
16:47.22dataw0lfare you serious
16:47.25dataw0lfthat
16:47.25dataw0lfis
16:47.26dataw0lfawesome
16:47.44dataw0lfif my gf ever showed up there, she'd never live it down.
16:47.46thebigdoglol...no there are some that do
16:49.15thebigdogi should put my boss on there
16:49.25thebigdogthen tell him about it
16:49.28thebigdoga month later
16:49.29thebigdoglol
16:54.09optikalhahah
16:54.19optikalI like your way of thinking~
16:54.43thebigdogmy boss is an ex cop and drives like a maddog
16:55.15dataw0lfnot a bigdog?
16:56.15optikalWho's all coming to Geek Lunch?
16:56.20optikaland what is this Kyoto place like?
16:56.23swbI am
16:57.16swbKyoto is nice, check out this review: http://utah.citysearch.com/profile/10377243/salt_lake_city_ut/kyoto_japanese_restaurant.html
16:57.57dataw0lfYea, only one thing would make Kyoto better.
16:58.34optikalnice
16:58.36dataw0lfif it wasn't japanese.
17:01.07optikalswb: nice list, I've got a quite a few of these in my humongeous assortment of bookmarks
17:01.20mindjuju12 people coming that have RSVP
17:01.22optikalI need to go through them and add a lot that have RSS into my reader
17:01.24mindjujuothers will prolly come
17:01.33dataw0lfmindjuju: I can't come :\
17:01.37optikalI bookmark tonnnsa stuff, and then use Google BrowserSync centralize em
17:01.37mindjujuthebigdog, you said you might come, is that still the case?
17:01.47mindjujudataw0lf!  that's a bummer!
17:01.54mindjujuhow you feeling?
17:01.59dataw0lfbetter
17:02.06mindjujulast i heard you were coughing and wheezing
17:02.08dataw0lfthe blood I'm coughing up is getting darker, which is supposed to be a good sign.
17:02.25optikalyeah, means its dryin up
17:02.37thebigdogmindjuju, probably not...too much work today
17:02.40mindjujuwell, hey, i know my halo2 skillz scared you, but i promise if we ever play, i'll take it easy on you
17:02.49dataw0lfdude
17:03.02dataw0lfEven with blood pooling in my lungs I'll destroy yous
17:03.13optikalIll take you all on in Guitar Hero~.. well, besides gibba[w]
17:03.16mindjujucome on, admit it.  you was scared
17:03.28mindjujui hear guitar hero is awesome
17:03.31mindjujuhaven't played though
17:03.34dataw0lfyou're right, my blood pressure went so high with fright it broke a vessel in my lung
17:03.37optikalIt truly is.. highly addictive.
17:03.42optikalIt should have a warning label on the box.
17:04.01dataw0lfI just bought a new acoustic/electric bass, I'm starting to play again
17:04.48dataw0lfthat's why I'm listening to so much rage, so I can relearn the tabs
17:04.58dataw0lfthen, I'll move on to Violent Femmes
17:05.13mindjujubrb
17:05.28optikalnice.. I'm honestly not too interested in playing actual guitar, I dont have that much time.. playing one while I rock out is enough for me hehe
17:05.49dataw0lfwhat's it like, air guitar with a score card?
17:05.58optikalI've played a bit of guitar when I was younger, it was fun.. but not really my thing.. I never was one, when I was playing, to just sit down and start playing.. I just did jam out sessions with buddies
17:06.25dataw0lfthe needle I'll thread it, radically poetic!
17:06.40optikalAnd the fact that if you miss a note, you hear it miss.. so when the songs really jammin.. YOU'RE JAMMIN!
17:06.48dataw0lfI'll give a dose, but it'll never come close, to the rage built up inside of me, fist in the air, in the land of hypocrisy!
17:07.11dataw0lfoptikal: hm, I'll have to try it out
17:07.52dataw0lfthen stick and move like I was Cassius, rep the stutter step, then bomb a left upon the fascists!
17:07.59optikalDude, it brings out your inner rockstar
17:08.11optikalEsp when you're jammin "Killing In The Name Of" and pounding through the solo
17:08.12dataw0lfI have an outer rockstar
17:08.23dataw0lfhow does it work? do they have preprogrammed songs on there or what?
17:08.30optikalThe more you "rock" and move to the song, the better ya do.. honestly.
17:08.38dataw0lfI want to play Guitar Hero to Killing in the Name Of :|
17:08.38optikalYeah, 5 keys + strum
17:08.46optikalAnd the notes flow down the screen, and you hit em on time
17:08.52dataw0lfwhat other RATM songs do they have?
17:08.59optikalThats the only one, unfortunately.
17:09.05dataw0lfthat sucks
17:09.09dataw0lfI'd like to jam to Fistful of Steel
17:09.13optikalBut they also have Primus - John the Fisherman, and many other great ones.
17:09.19dataw0lfooh Primus
17:09.30optikalDude, playing Multi on Primus and doing Bass is nuuuts.
17:09.44optikalYou can do multiplayer colo or vs, if you're colo one can do rhythm/lead or guitar/bass
17:09.47dataw0lfnetworks at work, keepin people calm, y'know they went after king, when he spoke out on vietnam
17:10.00dataw0lfoooh
17:10.12dataw0lfI wants to play colo with bass on a RHCP song
17:10.19optikalThey've got a few RHCP
17:10.19dataw0lfgot any chili peppers?
17:10.22dataw0lfsweet
17:10.26dataw0lfI'll jam the Flea funk
17:11.10dataw0lfdang I think I'm just going to proto this app in Tkinter so I can get a working version done by today
17:11.28Utah_DaveGuitar Hero is awesome.
17:11.49Utah_Davemy brother-in-law got it a month or so ago and we play it every weekend.
17:12.02optikalYeah, its the new craze
17:12.05Utah_DaveI'm thinking of buying a PS2 just for Guitar Hero
17:12.12optikalSeems everyones got it now hehe
17:12.12dataw0lfhehe, for some reason imagining you playing Guitar Hero cracks me up Utah_Dave
17:12.27optikalgibba[w] says hes buying a 360 just for GH2 on it.. since it'll have downloadable tracks and such
17:12.36dataw0lfthat's what I'm talkin' about
17:12.39optikaldataw0lf: The real fun comes with wireless guitars~
17:12.45optikalThen you can jump off sofas and sht~
17:12.47optikal*shit
17:12.50optikalerr, *
17:12.52Utah_Daveoptikal: did you hear about that Pitcher who was injured from too much Guitar Hero?
17:12.53optikalsorry
17:13.06optikalUtah_Dave: hahah no, that's hilarious
17:13.12dataw0lfwho was it?
17:13.36Utah_Daveyep, they were doing all these tests and MRIs and stuff, then they told him to lay off the Guitar Hero and he got better real fast
17:13.39dataw0lfomg Zumaya?!
17:13.54dataw0lfthat idiot I didn't know that
17:13.56Utah_Davehttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16212095/
17:14.27dataw0lfI lost money on the World Series, that idiot.
17:15.02Utah_Davedataw0lf: did you know I used to be a drummer?
17:15.11dataw0lfUtah_Dave: no kidding?
17:15.17dataw0lfdrumming is hard
17:15.18Utah_DaveI was on the snare line at the UofU for a while too
17:15.54dataw0lfdang
17:16.01dataw0lfthat stuff is hard too
17:16.07dataw0lfprops
17:17.11dataw0lfoptikal: you remember what RHCP songs Guitar Hero has?
17:17.13Utah_DaveI guess my missionary haircut isn't cool enough
17:17.37dataw0lfI didn't mean that, dude
17:17.39optikalgibba[w]: Do you remember what RHCP was on GH?
17:17.47optikalCause I cannot remember, I've been trying to think since we mentioned it.
17:17.50dataw0lfI was just saying that imagining you jumping around playing Guitar Hero was funny.
17:18.08dataw0lfI hope they have Get On Top
17:18.09dataw0lfif they do
17:18.13dataw0lfI'll go buy the game right now
17:18.22Utah_DaveI don't think GH has RHCP on it.  If they do, it's just like one song
17:18.37gibba[w]---- Higher Ground
17:18.54gibba[w]their cover of the steevy wonder song
17:19.06optikalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Hero http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Hero_II
17:19.09optikalTrack listings ^^
17:19.39dataw0lfomg Ziggy Stardust
17:19.50optikalThat song is fun to play too
17:20.00dataw0lfooh Take It Off
17:20.11dataw0lfInfected
17:20.14dataw0lfalright
17:20.16dataw0lfI'm buying it
17:20.49Utah_Daveinstitusionalized
17:21.07Utah_Daveinstitutionalized
17:21.28dataw0lfwow Guitar Hero II has even better songs
17:22.14dataw0lfo
17:22.14dataw0lfm
17:22.15dataw0lfg
17:22.19dataw0lfTHEY HAVE TROGDOR??
17:22.52optikalhahah yup
17:22.56optikalIts a pita
17:24.29dataw0lfand a Spinal Tap song
17:24.32dataw0lfthat's sweet
17:24.59Utah_Daveoptikal: I haven't played two player. it sounds pretty cool
17:25.31optikalUtah_Dave: It can be twice as fun
17:25.47optikalEsp when you're doing Versus Pro on Hard with a equivalent competitor
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18:11.17optikalherlo: Me + gibba[w]
18:11.35gibba[w]<--- this guy
18:12.13synicespecially lisa...  but especially bart.
18:12.18synic<-- this guy too
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18:12.34optikalsynic: woot!
18:12.42optikalsynic: Can we play footsies
18:12.44gibba[w]^% Synic
18:12.45optikal?+?
18:12.50gibba[w]^5*
18:12.54synicomg hotness
18:12.57synic^5
18:13.00optikalHIGH PERCENT! YOU'RE QUALITY!
18:13.05synichaha
18:13.35macnewboldlunch today?
18:14.15herlooptikal: cool
18:14.30optikalSee Topic.
18:14.51synicdon't get too excited, optikal spits
18:15.03herlosynic: no worries, I'll let you sit next to him
18:15.14synicmmk, better footsie range.
18:16.47gibba[w]and jondas
18:17.09gibba[w]and plz plz PLZ don't stare at my boyl
18:17.18dataw0lfboil
18:17.21optikal*Tourettes
18:17.36synicbannana face
18:17.39optikalI thought that said ferrets for a second, heheh
18:17.43dataw0lfbanana
18:17.47synicI wish I had a ferret
18:17.51dataw0lfyea, I had no idea what he was talking about
18:17.56dataw0lfI want to get a mongoose
18:17.58gibba[w]eff you , mothertruckers
18:18.05dataw0lfNot it's watered down, less sexy cousin
18:18.21optikalMy moms not a trucker.. but my Dad has been for 27 yrs~
18:18.31optikal:P
18:18.34dataw0lfhis mom works at a truckstop
18:18.55synicoh boy, tahooie left his computer unlocked.  Let's see if I can hax him before he notices and runs accross the room
18:19.12macnewboldmake sure he doesn't have an IRC backlog of this channel...
18:19.17optikalGO GO H4X-M0D3 synic
18:19.28syniccrap, his chair was in the way... he won
18:19.40dataw0lfScript Kiddie form, now!
18:20.06syniche say me eyeing his screen... so he was on to me
18:20.07dataw0lfsynic, you have control over the router, right?
18:20.10synicer.. saw
18:20.32synicdataw0lf: actually, no.
18:20.40dataw0lfwho does?
18:20.45synicI could get it, but I currently don't have the password.
18:21.05dataw0lfget it, and route traffic through your machine
18:21.10dataw0lfthen you can do all kinds of fun stuff
18:21.12herlodataw0lf: you have no boil, unless you consider your tat's a boil
18:21.22dataw0lflike redirectining FORWARDed port 80 to a sick image on your webserver
18:21.38dataw0lfMy tats are art, of the highest form.
18:22.03dataw0lfor something like that
18:22.30dataw0lfI lost my ability to be self righteous about my tattoos long ago.  
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18:31.49Utah_Davebeandog: did you ever figure out your networking problem the other day?
18:32.06beandogkinda.
18:32.20beandogWe found about 3 boxes that were having issues, so we yanked them off the network
18:32.28beandogsetup a firewall, blocked all outgoing connections and started going from there.
18:32.32beandogits been pretty quiet since that.
18:41.20macnewboldsweet
18:41.26macnewboldall three were winxp?
18:41.30Utah_Davethat's good
18:41.37macnewbolddo you know what worm/virus/spyware was doing it?
18:41.52macnewboldI wonder if they just weren't caught up on their security patches or something
18:46.15beandogno, all 2k
18:46.25beandogyah, that and they didnt have any antivirus on there.
18:46.26beandogmeh.
18:46.32beandogwe just bought a sitewide license for AVG
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18:52.21beandogskype--
18:52.27beandogIdeally, outgoing TCP connections to all ports (1..65535) should be opened. This option results in Skype working most reliably. This is only necessary for your Skype to be able to connect to the Skype network and will not make your network any less secure.
18:52.33beandogI really, really, really hate their software.
18:52.53mindjujuswb, you still around
18:58.52synicI guess I'd better start looking for the Kyoto address
18:59.29mindjujuyeah, i'm getting ready to leave pretty quick too
19:02.02optikalYeah, we'll be heading out at 12:30
19:02.38macnewboldmindjuju, swb: did someone make reservations? how many of us are going to be there?
19:02.46mindjujuswb did
19:02.52mindjuju15 @ 1p
19:02.59mindjujuunder the name uphpu or Sheri
19:03.38mindjujuwe lost 4 RSVP this morn, but we've gained some like optikal and gibba[w] and there are always a few not on IRC who might show
19:03.46mindjujuso i think it will balance out around 12 people
19:06.08macnewboldokay
19:06.13macnewboldcoolness
19:06.23macnewboldI've got about 45 minutes before I need to leave :)
19:10.43optikalhaha
19:10.51swbmindjuju
19:10.53swbI'm here
19:11.09mindjujuwas just going to say that we lost 4 RSVP this morn
19:11.18mindjujubut i think we'll end up with about 12 there
19:11.25swbI figured cuz of the weather and stuff
19:13.11swbI think we still need the same reservation, there's a room in the back of Kyoto that can seat us just about right probably
19:13.46mindjujutrue that
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19:33.17beandoganyone gonna go to SCALE
19:33.20beandogdid I already ask this?
19:33.43beandoghttp://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale5x/
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19:59.19brastoLone_Wanderer, although i'm overdue to start, I'll start on the presentation this afternoon, between calls at work.
20:05.16jsmithDon't feed the beers!
20:11.22bradymdataw0lf: i'm starting to think that Kelly is the entire HR office at HQ - still haven't heard anything.. just e-mailed Trey again..
20:13.10brastoLone_Wanderer, you may want to choose a couple topics you want to present and let me know.  As a team, we should do little to no overlap, prepare our own parts of the presentation, then follow a few other steps.  Gotta go, or i'd list more...
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20:50.00Black_Chaosanybody know anything about the mysql error "Got error 134 from storage engine"?
20:51.36fungus$ perror 134
20:51.36fungusError code 134:  Unknown error: 134
20:51.36fungus134 = Record was already deleted (or record file crashed)
20:52.16Black_ChaosHow can you prevent it?
20:53.48fungusrepair the table ??
20:54.07Black_Chaosthat fixes it, but doesn't keep it from happening
21:01.27dataw0lfMySQL 4.1, Black_Chaos ?
21:02.07dataw0lfbradym: it's all chewed up right now, has Trey responded yet?
21:02.09Black_Chaos5.0
21:02.16dataw0lfBlack_Chaos: strange
21:02.34Black_Chaosthey said they fixed it in 4.1 but I think they lied
21:02.52bradymdataw0lf: nope, it's only been about an hour since I e-mailed her though
21:03.24dataw0lflet me go talk to her
21:04.03bradymdataw0lf: i just don't want to get lost in all that's going on if i'm as good a candidate as you and trey think i am
21:06.08dataw0lfalright, she says she's digging into asses right now
21:06.20dataw0lfshe hasn't gotten a response yet, she'll email you as soon as she does
21:06.21Lone_WandererThat doesn't sound pleasant for either party.
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21:06.29dataw0lferr, sorry about the cursing
21:06.31bradymlol - no it doesn't
21:06.36bradymthanks dw
21:06.53dataw0lfnp, sorry they're so chewed up, it's just the whole maternity thing and all
21:07.12Lone_Wandererbrasto: I'll email you about the presentation
21:07.13dataw0lfdang women getting pregnant
21:07.25brastoLone_Wanderer, what was your AOL name again?
21:07.32Lone_WandererOberon4278
21:07.41dataw0lffunny thing is, when I met Kelly like 4 months ago she didn't look pregnant
21:07.45dataw0lfshe looked super hot
21:07.51dataw0lfbut not pregnant
21:07.55bradymlol
21:07.56brastook, and i was planning to email you as well later today as I accumulate more material
21:08.00bradymi find it humorous that one person goes on leave and it shuts things down so completely
21:08.21bradymi mean, is Kelly the entire hr department or something? ;)
21:08.35dataw0lfNah, there's like four of em over in Foster City.
21:08.47dataw0lfHR reps, that is.
21:09.37brastodoes Lone_Wanderer 's last name end with an "e"?
21:09.52Lone_WandererMy last name does not end with an e, no.
21:09.54dataw0lfno.
21:09.57brastook
21:10.06dataw0lfI believe it ends with an 'n'
21:10.10Lone_WandererIt does indeed.
21:10.25Lone_WandererI see absolutely no reason why this line would be generating this error.
21:10.25thebigdoghow was the lunch?
21:14.44Lone_WandererIt was fantastic, thanks.
21:15.08dataw0lfyea? Did Pearl Harbor get bombed again while you were there?
21:15.19thebigdogbeandog, you around?
21:15.41Lone_WandererPearl Harbor?
21:15.56dataw0lfoh, and I'm healthy, btw.
21:16.12Lone_WandererThey're all a bunch of racist xenophobic conformists.
21:16.21Lone_WandererOkay, not *all* of them.
21:16.25dataw0lfthat's a great way to sum it up
21:16.27thebigdogi like the respect that is prevalent in jap culture
21:16.36dataw0lfno, no, that's the way to describe them Lone_Wanderer
21:16.45thebigdogi think that it is
21:16.55Lone_WandererThat's the way their culture is, but that doesn't mean that every single Japanese person is like that.  Is what I meant.
21:16.58dataw0lfthey LOVE to make stereotypical associations with people.  It's only proper to follow their cultural values when referring to them.
21:17.40Lone_WandererOkay, check this out.
21:17.42Lone_Wanderer$reseller = NULL;
21:17.45dataw0lfl
21:17.48dataw0lferr k
21:17.56Lone_WandererPHP Parse error:  parse error, unexpected T_VARIABLE, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /srv/www/htdocs/includes/customer.class.php on line 8
21:18.00Lone_WandererIt's generating that error.
21:18.06Lone_WandererThat line.  Is generating an error.
21:18.20dataw0lfno, parse errors rarely reflect the exact line they're on
21:18.20Lone_WandererIt comes after the line: class customer {
21:18.27dataw0lfshow me all the code and I'll show you the error
21:18.54dataw0lfI bet if you put a } before 'class', it'd work
21:18.55dataw0lftry it
21:19.20Lone_Wanderereh?
21:19.33dataw0lfreplace 'class customer {' with
21:19.36Lone_WandererThere's nothing before "class" except the PHP opening tags.
21:19.41dataw0lfoh
21:19.49dataw0lfwell, paste me the first 15 lines or so
21:19.51Lone_WandererI aint no amateur, boy!
21:19.52Lone_Wanderer;)
21:19.57Lone_WandererI'm pasting.  This pastebin is slow.
21:19.58dataw0lfyou including it?
21:20.19dataw0lfthat's where the error is coming from, ain't it?
21:20.31Lone_Wandererhttp://pastebin.ca/314562
21:20.33dataw0lfI want the lines of the including file, not the included
21:20.36Lone_Wandererokay
21:20.50Lone_WandererNo, the error is for the file with the class code.
21:21.38Lone_WandererThe including file has only one line (excluding the <?php), and it just includes the file.  It's the file inclusion that causes the error.
21:21.39dataw0lfyea, but all an include does is dump that code in your file?
21:21.45Lone_Wandererrequire_once($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']."/includes/customer.class.php");
21:21.59Lone_Wandereraye
21:22.01dataw0lfhm
21:22.07dataw0lfhm
21:22.21Lone_WandererOh.  Wait.
21:23.12Lone_WandererWell that wasn't it.  I found that there was no closing PHP tag.
21:23.19Lone_WandererBut I added it and it didn't fix the error.
21:23.23dataw0lfjeez
21:23.38dataw0lfI guess you won't let me see the whole file, so I can't fix it.
21:25.06Lone_Wandererhttp://voip-call.us/customer.class.txt
21:25.44Lone_WandererAs you can see, there's virtually nothing there.
21:27.48beandogthebigdog: wassup
21:28.15Lone_Wandererhttp://voip-call.us/includes/customer.class.txt is a symlink to the php file so you can see changes as I make them.
21:36.09Lone_Wandererdataw0lf: it should be "var $reseller = NULL"
21:49.17thebigdogvar $reseller = null;
21:49.37thebigdogi think if you are using php5 you dont need var though
21:56.18optikalYUM.
21:57.54Lone_WandererI just nuked the .txt symlink, whoever's looking for i.
21:57.56Lone_Wandererit*
22:07.16thebigdogthat is a great song
22:07.19thebigdoggreat lyrics
22:08.35Lone_WandererDoes anyone know of a free (as in beer) program that I can use to create an icon?
22:08.57synickiconedit?
22:08.58wpswhat platform are you on?
22:09.03thebigdoggimp
22:09.07Lone_WandererWindows
22:09.10thebigdoggimp as in beer
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22:09.54bradymirfanview can save as .ico if you already have an image
22:10.15Lone_WandererI do have one already.
22:10.35synicherlo: for no apparent reason whatsoever.
22:10.42herlo~lart synic
22:10.47herlofor no apparent reason
22:10.48synicouch.
22:10.53optikalYeah.. I couldnt be happier.
22:10.53herlo;)
22:10.58optikalI'm extremely pleased with lunch.
22:11.03synicwho's swb?
22:11.05herlommmm, sushi!!
22:11.08herlosynic: sheri
22:11.11synicah
22:11.14herlothe girl
22:11.15optikalherlo: Thanks for the sushi samples~ Was delicious
22:11.19herlo:)
22:11.32optikalProbably the 2 best kinda of Sushi I've tried yet
22:11.43herlooptikal: I love sharing things I like.  Except my women!!
22:11.47optikalDefinitely had the California/Mars rolls beat, and they were all I had tried before.
22:11.56optikalhahah.  I hear ya
22:12.02herlooptikal: yeah, you gotta try a playboy
22:12.09optikalI'm the shareful type too.
22:12.12herloand if you ever go out of hte state get unagi
22:12.16optikalWhats in that?
22:12.20herloeel
22:12.30dataw0lfgood idea
22:12.31herlounagi is a type of eel
22:12.38dataw0lfoptikal loves the long, slippery things
22:12.41optikalok werd, I was wondering heh
22:13.05dataw0lf:-D
22:13.07dataw0lfjust kidding
22:13.11dataw0lfoptikal is my home boy
22:13.13dataw0lfand he's married
22:13.19dataw0lfso obviously, I have to make gay jokes
22:14.16herlooptikal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushi
22:14.28herlodataw0lf: we missed you!!
22:14.37dataw0lfalthough ya try to discredit, ya still never edit, the needle I'll thread it, radically poetic!
22:14.40dataw0lfherlo: I bet
22:14.40herlohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eel
22:14.45dataw0lfI'm even more sarcastic in real life
22:14.47herlodataw0lf: not really, but hey
22:14.51herlodataw0lf: I konw
22:14.58dataw0lfalthough you can tell I'm kidding easier
22:15.01mindjujuherlo, it was my fault, i scared DW with my halo2 skillz
22:15.07dataw0lfHAHAHAHAHA
22:15.08herlooptikal: the second link there has a "Human use" section worth reading
22:15.09dataw0lfHAHAHA
22:15.10dataw0lfHAHAHAHA
22:15.49dataw0lfya better beware, of retribution with mind war, 20/20 visions, and murals with metaphors
22:16.22_psychic_dangit i love plasma nades
22:16.32dataw0lfwhat was the price on his head? WHAT WAS THE PRICE ON HIS HEAD?
22:16.37dataw0lfI think I heard a shot.
22:17.52dataw0lf"Background: black natioonalism.  He may be a real contender for this position should he abandon his supposed obedience to white liberal doctrine of non-violence and embrace black nationalism.  Through counter-intelligence it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble-makers.  And neutralise them'
22:17.57dataw0lfAnd neutralise them
22:18.01dataw0lfWAKE UP
22:18.03_psychic_what are you talking about?
22:18.13dataw0lfthat's a Rage Against the Machine song
22:18.16dataw0lf'Wake Up'
22:18.25_psychic_I saw them once
22:18.30_psychic_they suck live
22:18.36dataw0lfthe quoted part is from a FBI report filed during the civil problems of the 60s
22:18.45_psychic_of course, that might have been because people were throwing chairs
22:18.48dataw0lfregarding MLK
22:18.53dataw0lfright before his assassination...
22:18.58mindjujuthat's funny _psychic_ , i thought they sucked on tape
22:19.00dataw0lfwhat??
22:19.02dataw0lfI loved them live
22:19.08_psychic_Yeah they mostly suck recorded too.
22:19.10dataw0lf~lart mindjuju
22:19.17dataw0lf~lart _psychic_
22:19.19dataw0lfdude
22:19.21dataw0lfgreatest lyrics
22:19.22mindjujuheh!  gotcha DW!
22:19.24dataw0lfgreatest musicians
22:19.25dataw0lfEVAR!
22:19.29_psychic_mmmmmmmmmno
22:19.33dataw0lfYessir.
22:19.41_psychic_Nuh uh.
22:19.50dataw0lfYessir.
22:19.58mindjujurotfl @ xmission colo
22:20.01_psychic_Nuh uh times infinity.
22:20.12_psychic_No battle.
22:20.26dataw0lfSilence.  Something about silence makes me sick, cause silence can be violent, sorta like a slit wrist
22:20.33dataw0lfgreatest lyrics ever
22:20.44_psychic_you follow NIN ever?
22:20.48dataw0lfif the vibe was suicide, then you would push da button, but if ya bowin down, then let me do the cuttin!
22:20.52dataw0lfyea, I like NIN
22:20.55dataw0lfsome of it
22:20.59dataw0lfI like Tool better though
22:21.30_psychic_NIN was good for a while, but they got waaaay to into the weird stuff
22:21.35_psychic_too dark
22:21.37dataw0lfIt's time to flow like the fluid in ya veins, if ya will it, I will spill it, and ya out just as quick as ya came, not a silent one, but a defiant one, never a normal one, cuz I'm the bastard sone
22:21.42dataw0lfs/sone/son
22:21.56dataw0lfWITH A FISTFUL OF STEEL!
22:22.11dataw0lf(cuz I know the power of the question)
22:22.48dataw0lfA .44 full of bullets, face full of pale, eyes full of empty, a stare full of nails, the roulette ball, rolls along the wheel, a mind full of fire, and a fistful of steel
22:23.14dataw0lfand if the vibe was suicide, then you would push the button, but if ya bowin down, then LET ME DO THE CUTTIN!
22:23.18dataw0lfYEAAAAAAAAH
22:23.39dataw0lfpshaw
22:23.40dataw0lfdude
22:23.42dataw0lfgreatest lyrics ever
22:23.53_psychic_You're one of those people who sings/hums loudly when you have headphones on, ain't you?
22:23.55dataw0lfgreatest guitarist of the past 20 years
22:23.57dataw0lf(Morello)
22:24.00mindjujubrb
22:24.03dataw0lfI sing loudly at all times
22:24.06dataw0lfwherever I go
22:24.11dataw0lfunless I'm watching a Shakira video
22:24.15dataw0lfthen I shut up and watch
22:24.18dataw0lfright, optikal?
22:24.20dataw0lf:-)
22:24.49optikalhahah, yeah.. we sometimes have to whipe the sides of his mouth and chin of drool for him.
22:25.48dataw0lfNow freedom must be fundamental, in Johannesburg, or South Central, on the mic cuz someone should tell em, to kick in the township rebellion
22:25.53dataw0lfYea, what about that sucka?
22:26.28dataw0lfraise my fist and resist
22:26.56dataw0lfgotta get wreck, til our necks never swing on a rope, from here... to the cape of no hope
22:27.30dataw0lfShackle their minds when they're bent on the cross
22:27.38dataw0lfWhen ignorance reigns, life is lost
22:27.45dataw0lf:-)
22:27.49dataw0lfcan't argue against those lyrics
22:27.54dataw0lfthey're TEH AWESOME
22:28.28dataw0lfwhat's it gonna take?
22:28.31dataw0lfyeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
22:29.40dataw0lfI've only had 7 beers, gimme a break
22:30.30dataw0lfthat's even worse!
22:31.21dataw0lfwith poetry my mind I flex, flip like Wilson, vocals never lackin dat finesse, whadda I gotta do, whadda I gotta do to wake ya up
22:31.37dataw0lfya know they murdered X, and tried to blame it on Islam
22:32.17dataw0lfEvil Empire is good, and so is The Battle of Los Angeles, but the first album is unbelievably awesome.
22:32.28dataw0lfI listen to it probably like 5 times a day
22:32.52dataw0lfnever get tired of it.  ever
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22:56.08mgearyhi folks
22:57.06_psychic_hi
22:57.28mgearyhey, i've got a (static) class (with all static methods) that gets subclassed. I'm finding however, that self::someMethod() doesn't "prefer" the method in the subclass over the superclass method. This approach works just fine in non-static instances....
22:57.42mgearyam i making any sense?
22:58.06_psychic_you lost me at "prefer"
22:58.14_psychic_it uses the parent methods instead?
22:58.14herlodataw0lf: I am good at ignoring irc, if I wasn't I think I'd not have a job
22:58.18mgearyyes
22:58.44mgearyi assume it's because "self" is being defined as "this class"
22:58.46_psychic_mgeary: how are you overriding it in the child class?
22:59.05mgearyi'm just redeclaring it as a static function
22:59.10mgearypublic
22:59.14_psychic_when do you call self::.... ?
22:59.52mgearyi call self::someFunction() from within a function of the superclass
23:00.00mgearyexpecting it to run someFunction() in the subclass
23:00.07mgearybut it runs someFunction() in the superclass
23:00.47_psychic_use $this->someFunction()
23:01.02mgearywell, that's what i'd do in a non-static case
23:01.07_psychic_mmm
23:01.07mgearybut in a static case....<checking>
23:01.14_psychic_no it won't let you
23:01.17_psychic_forgot about that, sorry
23:01.19mgearyyeah
23:02.00_psychic_:/
23:02.26_psychic_I don't think you can do something like that in a static context.
23:02.38mgearyhrm
23:02.49mgearybut that suggests that extending a static class is next to useless
23:02.50mgeary:/
23:03.43mgearyhttp://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=30934
23:04.55mgearyso it's a confirmed issue. <now looking for workaround>
23:05.33herlodoes anyone know of a good social site for collecting DVD's CD's books, etc?
23:06.58_psychic_I thought the point of static methods was to sidestep any sort of inheritance and instantiation issues.
23:08.52mgearywell, apparently so. but i see an additional benefit as not having to instantiate an object for things that don't require it
23:09.19mgearymy larger context here is that for every PHP app i build, i have a static Application class
23:09.36mgearybut since these tend to be similar, i created a Master_Application class
23:10.13mgearyi use static methods from these apps like $client_list = MyApp::getClientList()
23:11.01mgearyah well
23:11.12mgearyi'll approach my issue from a different angle
23:12.35_psychic_Static methods should only be used on something that isn't going to change state... I don't think its just used for when you don't want to create a new object...
23:17.35bradymso what does it mean?
23:19.55Lone_Wanderer~lart OO in php4
23:20.10Lone_WandererOh man.  That's a really good one.
23:20.49_psychic_nice work.
23:20.53Lone_WandererYou can't kill them because they're KITTENS.  But you can't just let them crawl all over you and scratch you to death either.
23:21.22_psychic_I have no moral objections to slaughtering kittens, as they usually become CATS.
23:21.41Lone_WandererJust kill them after they become cats.
23:22.04dataw0lfjust kill them.
23:22.05Lone_WandererWhen I was a kid I always fed any stray cat that came around 'cause my parents said they'd keep coming back.  But they never did.
23:22.13_psychic_I fed em.
23:22.14Lone_Wanderer:(
23:22.18Lone_Wandererarsenic? :p
23:22.20_psychic_Antifreeze.
23:22.23Lone_Wandererahh
23:22.29Lone_Wandererthat works as well and is cheaper and easier to come by
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23:25.23_psychic_My disparaging comments about cats should in no way lessen your well targeted and executed lart, however.
23:26.10Lone_WandererIndubitably.
23:32.26macnewbold~lart cats
23:55.27timinatorI'm out, later guys
23:55.36timinator(and swb)
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