| 00:01.29 | Utah_Dave | fungus: I'm downloading pfsense right now. I'm hoping it works as great as it sounds! |
| 00:01.52 | fungus | Cool, good luck. |
| 00:04.46 | jsmith-teaching | Utah_Dave: pfsense rocks |
| 00:10.28 | beandog | no takers :( |
| 00:10.29 | beandog | poops |
| 00:17.02 | Utah_Dave | beandog: have you checked if there are any rogue hubs on the network. I'm not a network guru, but I was in New York a few weeks ago working on a database and their network went crazy. |
| 00:17.25 | Utah_Dave | We found that one of their part timers had plugged in two little hubs and it almost brought our network down |
| 00:28.21 | beandog | I havent seen anything like that |
| 00:33.51 | macnewbold | beandog: that's too bad |
| 00:34.03 | macnewbold | a wiring loop can easily cause something like that |
| 00:34.10 | beandog | no, its definately a virus. |
| 00:34.14 | beandog | Im pretty darn sure of that now. |
| 00:34.26 | macnewbold | we once had two cisco catalyst 6509 routers that accidentally had two wires creating a loop between them |
| 00:34.32 | beandog | Im gonna spend tomorrow checking these stupid windows boxes |
| 00:34.35 | macnewbold | we were seeing traffic from a box even after it was turned off |
| 00:34.40 | beandog | really? |
| 00:34.40 | beandog | buh. |
| 00:34.44 | beandog | thats crazy |
| 00:34.49 | macnewbold | yeah, the loop kept circulating the traffic |
| 00:35.04 | macnewbold | anyway, the easy way to find out |
| 00:35.15 | macnewbold | is set up something that can tell when the problem goes away |
| 00:35.23 | macnewbold | hopefully within a short time period (a few seconds) |
| 00:35.35 | beandog | what do you mean |
| 00:35.39 | macnewbold | then you go to the router closet while monitoring the system |
| 00:35.49 | macnewbold | what symptoms are you seeing, a flooded uplink? |
| 00:36.05 | macnewbold | lots of packet loss? extraordinary amount of traffic? |
| 00:36.16 | beandog | well, symptoms are the network will come down ... cant get an external connection, lots of problems connecting to anything internal |
| 00:36.16 | macnewbold | sometimes you can even tell just by the flashy lights on the switch/router |
| 00:36.23 | beandog | lots of ARP traffic all of a sudden |
| 00:36.26 | macnewbold | does ping show lots of loss? |
| 00:36.30 | beandog | like, 1000% times the normal amount |
| 00:36.34 | macnewbold | oooh, arp traffic? |
| 00:36.37 | macnewbold | tcpdump it |
| 00:36.51 | beandog | hmm, tcpdump noob here. -_- |
| 00:37.06 | macnewbold | it will ask "who has IP 123.45.67.89, tell 123.45.67.199" |
| 00:37.13 | macnewbold | that will tell you exactly who's doing it |
| 00:37.14 | beandog | well Ive been running wireshark |
| 00:37.20 | macnewbold | does it show arp traffic? |
| 00:37.23 | beandog | the arp addresses were all from faked mac addresses |
| 00:37.25 | macnewbold | will it show you the whole packets? |
| 00:37.29 | beandog | but I couldnt see the actual source. |
| 00:39.25 | beandog | Ill have to read up on tcpdump and see waht I can do |
| 00:39.49 | macnewbold | for example: |
| 00:39.51 | macnewbold | # tcpdump -vv arp |
| 00:39.51 | macnewbold | tcpdump: listening on bge0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes |
| 00:39.51 | macnewbold | 17:39:26.458634 arp who-has 192.168.5.224 tell hao |
| 00:39.51 | macnewbold | 17:39:27.459243 arp who-has 192.168.5.224 tell hao |
| 00:39.52 | macnewbold | 17:39:28.460153 arp who-has 192.168.5.224 tell hao |
| 00:40.00 | macnewbold | hao being my box/my IP |
| 00:40.13 | beandog | ok |
| 00:40.45 | beandog | I cant test it til tomorrow morning anyway |
| 00:41.21 | macnewbold | alright |
| 00:42.07 | macnewbold | tcpdump is pretty easy and very flexible, so holler if you're having any trouble |
| 00:42.07 | beandog | ok cool, I probably will, thanks |
| 00:42.08 | beandog | :) |
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| 00:42.34 | macnewbold | no prob - if you can't get on IRC or IM, google for my name plus "cell" and you'll find me |
| 00:43.14 | beandog | well Ive got the network split into two |
| 00:43.19 | beandog | so Ill be fine getting online |
| 00:43.21 | Utah_Dave | beandog: were you able to figure it you? |
| 00:43.24 | beandog | weve got the suspicious boxes all zone off. |
| 00:43.27 | Utah_Dave | out? |
| 00:43.55 | beandog | Utah_Dave: Not yet, I turned off all the windows boxes, we have callers here right now, so I cant touch the network for the night. |
| 00:44.05 | beandog | Im just going to pick up on it again in the morning |
| 00:44.07 | Utah_Dave | well, good luck |
| 00:44.10 | beandog | thanks |
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| 00:46.46 | macnewbold | beandog: if the problem is solved right now, with all the suspects turned off, |
| 00:47.42 | macnewbold | turn them on one at a time, kind of slowly if necessary, and watch for the problems to start again - then try unplugging network cables of the last few to start up |
| 00:47.48 | macnewbold | until the problem goes away again |
| 00:47.58 | macnewbold | you may likely have more than one guilty on |
| 00:47.59 | macnewbold | one |
| 00:48.12 | beandog | macnewbold: well I would, but I cant risk bringing the network down right now. I have callers here til 9 p.m. |
| 00:48.28 | beandog | but thats exactly what Im planning to do tomorrow |
| 00:48.31 | macnewbold | right, I meant in the morning when you could risk it again |
| 00:48.33 | beandog | process of elimination |
| 00:48.34 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 00:48.34 | beandog | yah |
| 00:48.36 | macnewbold | you'll find it for sure |
| 00:48.43 | beandog | yah I think so, too |
| 00:48.43 | macnewbold | ~eliminate windows |
| 00:48.46 | beandog | :) |
| 00:48.47 | beandog | seriously. |
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| 15:16.59 | optikal | "When Windows drivers go bad!" |
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| 15:52.27 | mindjuju | optikal, When does Windows not go bad? |
| 15:55.29 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 15:56.30 | synic | sons of... |
| 15:57.50 | optikal | HA |
| 15:58.38 | mindjuju | seriously, as NT admin, i'm always patching or reading logs as to why the heck windows did something unanticipated |
| 15:58.51 | mindjuju | like, i don't know, like shut down services |
| 16:00.49 | optikal | hehe. Thats why I'm glad I don't manage any Windows servers anymore.. I'm muuch happier with my linux servers. |
| 16:01.18 | optikal | Most simply because well, you only have to run what you damn well want to to get the job done, and not 100 other service dependencies. |
| 16:02.14 | mindjuju | i think the thing i absolutely detest the most about windows is that when you copying folders that have millions of files and darn file has "read only" turned on, or the file is in use by a network user, and it absolutely FUBARs the entire copy just on the one file (unless your doing it via commandline where you can set the switches) |
| 16:02.35 | optikal | heheh |
| 16:02.43 | optikal | Yeah, I absolutely hate that too.. drives me bonkers. |
| 16:02.47 | optikal | I <3 Vista for fixing that. |
| 16:02.57 | optikal | "Try Again!" who'd a thunk it! |
| 16:03.03 | mindjuju | heh |
| 16:03.03 | optikal | -! |
| 16:03.29 | synic | d'oh. Talking about Vista reminds me that I forgot something at your house again. |
| 16:04.08 | optikal | hahah |
| 16:04.11 | optikal | Yup |
| 16:04.21 | optikal | Might as well download Final now, and get the Beta Key crack |
| 16:04.48 | synic | bleh. You underestimate my laziness. |
| 16:10.16 | optikal | heheh |
| 16:40.46 | macnewbold | anyone wanna go grab some lunch on Friday? |
| 16:47.10 | mindjuju | you mean *THIS* friday? |
| 16:47.36 | thebigdog | isnt it the lunch this friday? |
| 16:47.38 | thebigdog | drip, you there? |
| 16:47.59 | mindjuju | yeah, it is |
| 16:48.14 | mindjuju | Kyoto Resturant - Geek Lunch! |
| 16:49.42 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Geek Lunch Jan 12, 2007 - Kyoto in SLC - 1p | January Meeting: PHP workshop hosted by OALUG & UPHPU Jan 27 in Ogden- Watch http://groups-beta.google.com/group/oalug for details |
| 16:53.01 | optikal | That would have to be on the Friday opposite of payday |
| 16:53.14 | optikal | and Im strapped already, so yeah.. I wont be making this one |
| 16:53.43 | optikal | Are the geek lunches every month? |
| 16:53.52 | mindjuju | geek lunch everymonth |
| 16:53.54 | synic | wait, it's this Friday? Then I can come, mindjuju. I thought it was last Friday. |
| 16:54.19 | mindjuju | sweetness! |
| 16:56.40 | thebigdog | if drip and timinator are there then i will come |
| 16:56.53 | mindjuju | way cool! |
| 16:56.59 | mindjuju | and dataw0lf is going to be there |
| 16:57.06 | timinator | I can't do it this time guys |
| 16:57.06 | optikal | Who cares about him |
| 16:57.10 | timinator | really wish I could |
| 16:59.14 | mindjuju | drip, you coming? |
| 17:01.07 | thebigdog | drip is sleeping at the keyboard again |
| 17:02.14 | mindjuju | prolly |
| 17:02.22 | mindjuju | optikal too |
| 17:14.13 | dataw0lf | I might not be there, I might have to fly to Portland this weekend :\ |
| 17:14.42 | dataw0lf | but if I don't make it I'm just going to switch my flight to a later date and I'll buy lunch for whomever shows up whenever I do make it |
| 17:15.01 | dataw0lf | tierra: Apparently, my Dad is headed to MacWorld right now, he left yesterday |
| 17:15.27 | dataw0lf | rather, he's already there, in SF, I don't know exactly when MacWorld starts |
| 17:16.21 | tierra | it started yesterday |
| 17:16.36 | dataw0lf | tierra: you there? |
| 17:16.48 | tierra | nope, flying out for it tomorrow |
| 17:17.00 | dataw0lf | coolio |
| 17:17.01 | tierra | only going to be there for one day |
| 17:17.12 | dataw0lf | ah, giving a talk? |
| 17:17.45 | tierra | na, just running around the convention space showing as many people Phoenix as I can |
| 17:18.34 | dataw0lf | you know what my dad looks like, if you see him, run up to him and say 'omg Ray Fenio, I've heard so much about you!' just to screw with him |
| 17:18.46 | tierra | haha |
| 17:18.53 | tierra | definately |
| 17:18.57 | dataw0lf | hehe |
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| 17:26.50 | mindjuju | nothing like coding to Jerry Springer |
| 17:27.27 | synic | mindjuju: apparently you aren't aware that "spending a sick day" usually involves NOT working. |
| 17:27.35 | synic | you're doing it all wrong |
| 17:27.40 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:27.40 | synic | you're supposed to go skiing or something |
| 17:28.01 | fungus | Use your sick days for something fun. |
| 17:28.11 | fungus | Go to work when you are really sick. |
| 17:28.24 | thebigdog | i used mine for the movies and got caught by my boss doing the same thing |
| 17:28.35 | dataw0lf | I'm not spending PTO, I'm just working from home cuz I'm sick |
| 17:28.59 | mindjuju | yeah, that's what i'm doing DW - limited availability |
| 17:28.59 | thebigdog | yeah pto/ato is for real vacation |
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| 17:39.33 | gibba[w] | s'crackin homie |
| 17:41.03 | dataw0lf | got the flu |
| 17:41.29 | dataw0lf | and my puppy is going nuts since I'm staying home and not leaving for work |
| 17:41.53 | dataw0lf | (doesn't get to go to doggy daycare) |
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| 18:34.38 | thebigdog | beandog you there? |
| 18:34.44 | beandog | yo |
| 18:34.56 | thebigdog | you use any video editing on linux? |
| 18:35.10 | beandog | avidemux2 |
| 18:35.22 | thebigdog | ok ill check it out |
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| 19:16.36 | thebigdog | herlo or jsmith does centos have a good jabber server? |
| 19:16.56 | jsmith | thebigdog: No clue |
| 19:18.08 | thebigdog | well then |
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| 19:23.14 | thebigdog | jsmith, have you used asterisk with jabber at all? |
| 19:23.30 | jsmith | thebigdog: Unfortunately, no. Haven't had time. |
| 19:23.40 | thebigdog | k ty |
| 19:23.47 | jsmith | thebigdog: Speaking of which... Doug made it sound like you guys were going to move forward soon... any word? |
| 19:24.05 | thebigdog | his boss told him to hold off for some reason |
| 19:24.41 | thebigdog | i need to push that again |
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| 21:27.36 | _psychic_ | ~rlart |
| 21:28.16 | thebigdog | ~lart _psychic_ |
| 21:28.58 | _psychic_ | I think jbot learns who my favorite targets are. |
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| 21:36.45 | swb | afternoon fellas |
| 21:37.49 | _psychic_ | afternoon |
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| 22:23.34 | swb | best way to get rid of background noise in a podcast? |
| 22:25.41 | Black_Chaos | http://www.podtopia.net/gettingstarted/removenoise.shtml |
| 22:25.48 | bradym | i don't podcast, but i've had some success using audacity filters |
| 22:26.46 | bradym | wow.. that page is about the exact audacity tool i was thinking of.. great minds think alike ;) |
| 22:27.49 | swb | cool, thanx guys, I'll check this out, excellent link! |
| 22:28.26 | swb | think it'll work on background noise like clanking dishes? |
| 22:30.06 | bradym | it might.. in my experience the tough part is finding a good sample of the background noise without the audio you actually want -- but that's where you get the best results |
| 22:30.32 | swb | k, thanks for the tip |
| 22:32.03 | bradym | np |
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| 23:10.44 | timinator | any prototype.js users here? |
| 23:11.14 | _psychic_ | yep |
| 23:11.36 | timinator | I'm getting "$A is not defined" errors on line 48 |
| 23:12.06 | timinator | "return __method.apply(object, args.concat($A(arguments)));" |
| 23:12.11 | timinator | any ideas on that? |
| 23:12.29 | timinator | (I'm getting those errors in FireBug) |
| 23:13.15 | _psychic_ | is prototype.js included somewhere? |
| 23:13.19 | timinator | yes |
| 23:13.31 | _psychic_ | how? |
| 23:13.52 | optikal | swb: oh hey, guess what.. my site starting getting PR today.. hehe |
| 23:14.04 | timinator | <script type="text/javascript" src="javascript/prototype.js"></script> |
| 23:14.34 | _psychic_ | And you can bring up the .js in the browser okay? |
| 23:14.37 | timinator | and I even swapped my copy w/ a new download |
| 23:15.03 | timinator | yep |
| 23:15.15 | _psychic_ | you have 1.5.0 ? |
| 23:15.25 | timinator | https://mylumbertrader.com/trader/javascript/prototype.js |
| 23:15.36 | timinator | 1.4.0 |
| 23:16.14 | optikal | Some very weird stuff going on with PR servers, and likely other google servers.. this morning, 2/40 ranked it 2 the rest 0, at noon it was 9/40 ranked it 2, and now its 7/40.. hehe |
| 23:16.16 | _psychic_ | timinator: what's the page you get the error on? |
| 23:16.34 | optikal | But I'm happy to see something besides nothing, so I'll just sit back and wait it out for a bit |
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| 23:34.42 | macnewbold | ~seen Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:35.21 | jbot | lone_wanderer <n=chatzill@208-186-98-2.customer.csolutions.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 7m 9s ago, saying: 'link again? I didn't get it'. |
| 23:35.23 | macnewbold | ~seen jbot |
| 23:35.32 | jbot | jbot is currently on #asterisk-doc (2d 18h 41m 59s) #ubuntu-utah (2d 18h 41m 59s) ##t42 (2d 18h 41m 59s) #how (2d 18h 41m 59s) #ol (2d 18h 41m 59s) #flyspray (2d 18h 41m 59s) #asterisk (2d 18h 41m 59s) #byumug (2d 18h 41m 59s) #va (2d 18h 41m 59s) #orkut (2d 18h 41m 59s) #nslu2-linux ... |
| 23:39.30 | _psychic_ | ~seen the_future |
| 23:39.43 | jbot | _psychic_: i haven't seen 'the_future' |
| 23:39.50 | _psychic_ | rats. :( |
| 23:40.14 | swb | optikal: OMG! |