| 00:00.01 | macnewbold | ~deflate dataw0lf's ego |
| 00:00.09 | macnewbold | there, now your hat should fit again |
| 00:00.14 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 00:00.16 | dataw0lf | I mean, if there was any intent for deadly force, those two germans would've been goners |
| 00:00.25 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: almost... ALMOSt! |
| 00:00.34 | dataw0lf | alright, I'm out, gotta watch the football game, kids. |
| 00:00.36 | macnewbold | though I'm sure there are a lot of good shots among the military |
| 00:00.40 | Lone_Wanderer | But you can't tell reactionary idiots that. |
| 00:02.25 | mindjuju | bummer, looks like i missed a debate |
| 00:02.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Not much of a debate. It was just DW telling war stories. |
| 00:02.55 | mindjuju | oh |
| 00:03.04 | mindjuju | didn't get to look up and see, just read the last comments |
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| 02:10.22 | wps | alright, anyone up for a Microsoft Windows networking problem? |
| 02:10.32 | wps | my wife's POS MS box won't connect to the internet |
| 02:10.45 | wps | and it is completely boggling my mind |
| 02:10.51 | wps | it has an IP address |
| 02:11.58 | wps | when I run ipconfig it lists it's own IP and my router as being correct but I get no results from anything I ping |
| 02:12.02 | wps | times out (quickly) |
| 02:14.16 | mindjuju | what happens when you ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:15.37 | mindjuju | second question, what happens when you ping the router |
| 02:16.19 | mindjuju | third question, can anybody on your private network access the internet. (are the accessing issues only for her computer, or is it trouble everybody is having?) |
| 02:17.17 | wps | all of the other computers can access the internet |
| 02:17.21 | wps | my setup is thus: |
| 02:17.51 | wps | I have a wireless router that performs two roles, wireless access point and DHCP server |
| 02:18.04 | wps | all wireless clients on my network connect through him |
| 02:18.24 | mindjuju | at happened when you pingged 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 02:18.36 | wps | all wired computers on my network connect through a hub that access to the wireless router (had to use the hub because the wireless router only has one ethernet out) |
| 02:19.25 | wps | well, I changed a setting and now the silly thing isn't getting an IP address :) |
| 02:19.30 | wps | (but I'm not sure what I changed) |
| 02:19.53 | mindjuju | try right clicking my network places and left click properties |
| 02:20.17 | mindjuju | you should have several devices here |
| 02:20.29 | mindjuju | is your wife on the wireless or a wired nic? |
| 02:20.33 | wps | just one… local area connection |
| 02:20.34 | wps | wired |
| 02:20.54 | mindjuju | k, right click on local area connection and left click properties |
| 02:21.03 | wps | status says limited or no connectivity |
| 02:21.23 | mindjuju | click on Internet protocol at the bottom of the list in the middle of the window that popped up |
| 02:21.28 | mindjuju | click on the button labeled properties |
| 02:21.50 | mindjuju | is Obtain an IP automatically marked? |
| 02:21.51 | wps | it is set to obtain an IP address automatically |
| 02:21.55 | wps | yes |
| 02:22.15 | mindjuju | k, then the problem you've got is likely the cabel |
| 02:22.26 | mindjuju | but teh way to tell for sure, is by ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:22.34 | mindjuju | that will cause the network adapter to ping itself |
| 02:23.02 | mindjuju | if it gives you an error, you know it's your nic, if it works, you know it's not the computer but the cable, wall connector plug, hub |
| 02:23.11 | mindjuju | somewhere away from your computer |
| 02:23.15 | wps | pinging 127.0.0.1 seemed to work properly |
| 02:23.27 | mindjuju | k, cool, so the computer is ok |
| 02:23.30 | wps | returned four rows of ping results and the standard stats |
| 02:23.37 | wps | so you think it's either the cable or my router? |
| 02:23.51 | mindjuju | well, if everybody is able to connect still, then likely the cable |
| 02:24.03 | mindjuju | router being obsolved by continued functionality |
| 02:24.15 | mindjuju | do you have a spare cable there? |
| 02:24.31 | wps | yup |
| 02:24.32 | wps | I'll try |
| 02:24.43 | mindjuju | try switching out the cable real quick |
| 02:25.22 | mindjuju | now, quick question. is the cable connecting directly to the hub, or is your house wired with the cable going through the walls? |
| 02:26.10 | burnin | is it a dns issue? does it work pinging raw ip addresses on the net? |
| 02:26.20 | wps | not in the wall… a six foot cable from the computer to the hub… and then another six feet from the hub to the router |
| 02:26.47 | mindjuju | nope, won't be dns if he's got the limited connectivity warning and is set to get an IP from the dhcp server |
| 02:26.57 | mindjuju | k, if new cable is in type this into command line |
| 02:27.02 | mindjuju | ipconfig /renew |
| 02:27.15 | mindjuju | that will drop your OS assigned IP and seek a DHCP IP |
| 02:27.30 | wps | where in the heck to you see the computer's IP address through the GUI (I know how with ipconfig via a command prompt)? I don't understand why Microsoft makes it so hard to find something so important. |
| 02:27.34 | wps | k |
| 02:28.01 | wps | okay |
| 02:28.07 | wps | thanks mindjuju, the renew worked |
| 02:28.11 | wps | I now have an IP address |
| 02:28.16 | mindjuju | cool |
| 02:28.17 | wps | let's see if I can see the internet |
| 02:28.22 | mindjuju | yup, let's see |
| 02:29.07 | wps | when I ping google.com the request times out |
| 02:29.42 | wps | when I pint a Macintosh on the network I get two lines of ping results and then a time out |
| 02:30.06 | mindjuju | hey, quick answer to your question about IPs, then we move on to resolution |
| 02:30.19 | mindjuju | back at Network Connections or My Network Places |
| 02:30.30 | mindjuju | where you see Local Area Connection |
| 02:30.37 | mindjuju | double click that, a window pops up |
| 02:30.46 | mindjuju | on the tab at the top, it says "support" |
| 02:30.50 | mindjuju | click that, and it should say there |
| 02:30.51 | wps | yes |
| 02:31.10 | wps | sorry to be blunt, but that's stupid |
| 02:31.10 | mindjuju | coolio, just as an FYI |
| 02:31.16 | mindjuju | yeah, it's really hidden |
| 02:31.24 | wps | that's nutsoid |
| 02:31.30 | wps | why would you have every have thought to check there? |
| 02:31.41 | mindjuju | true that |
| 02:31.56 | mindjuju | k, so, your getting an IP from the router, so that means you can see it |
| 02:32.11 | mindjuju | does the router have an interface that you can access |
| 02:32.29 | mindjuju | some routers have settings that only allow certain "allowed" mac addresses access |
| 02:32.37 | wps | it does |
| 02:32.56 | mindjuju | k, so i'm guessing the mac address for the wife's computer is in there, or that feature is turned off |
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| 02:33.15 | wps | you mean in a DHCP lease table or something? |
| 02:33.36 | mindjuju | well, since you have an IP from the router, you should already be there |
| 02:33.52 | mindjuju | but in the firewall portion of the router... well, hang on quick sec |
| 02:34.12 | mindjuju | did youhave to config the firewall special for any of the other computers on the personal network to work? |
| 02:34.20 | wps | nope |
| 02:34.25 | mindjuju | k, then that's out |
| 02:35.22 | burnin | just in case, ping 72.14.207.99 :) |
| 02:35.27 | burnin | that is google.com |
| 02:35.33 | burnin | one of em anyhow |
| 02:36.51 | wps | a ping of Google's IP gives me two lines of results and then a time out |
| 02:37.07 | mindjuju | curious |
| 02:37.11 | mindjuju | i'd reboot her box |
| 02:37.16 | burnin | what are the two lines? |
| 02:37.29 | burnin | good ping results? |
| 02:38.01 | burnin | sorry mindjuju, don't mean to butt in. ;) |
| 02:38.10 | mindjuju | nah, dude, that was a good question |
| 02:38.26 | wps | Reply from 72.14.207.99 bytes=32 time=107ms TTL=234 |
| 02:38.29 | mindjuju | i was obsolving the box, but hadn't checked the dns, it was a good call |
| 02:38.31 | burnin | just sitting here working on my own networking problem :/ |
| 02:38.56 | wps | in the stats, it says that four packets were sent… three were returned |
| 02:39.04 | wps | 25% loss |
| 02:39.29 | burnin | ouch |
| 02:40.18 | mindjuju | yeah, at this point that is what i'd do |
| 02:40.31 | burnin | a reboot on the modem may also be a good idea |
| 02:40.41 | wps | I've done it a few times, but I'll give it another whirl |
| 02:40.48 | wps | alright, I'll try the router too |
| 02:40.50 | wps | brb |
| 02:41.05 | mindjuju | oh wait, i hope that doesn't knock him off the internet |
| 02:41.10 | mindjuju | heh |
| 02:41.11 | burnin | maybe something is a bit hosed in the braodband network settings. |
| 02:41.33 | burnin | guess we'll find out. :) |
| 02:41.39 | mindjuju | true that |
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| 02:42.57 | wps | I'm back! |
| 02:42.58 | wps | wahoo! |
| 02:42.59 | mindjuju | i think from here, if it doesn't work, i'll have him "repair the connection" as opposed to /flushdns because the repair will flush the dns and do several other things |
| 02:43.11 | mindjuju | can the computer access the internet? |
| 02:43.37 | wps | nope |
| 02:43.41 | wps | surprise… surprise |
| 02:43.58 | mindjuju | wps, can you try this real quick. double click on My Network Places |
| 02:44.04 | mindjuju | you should see Local Area Connection |
| 02:44.13 | mindjuju | right click on that and click "repair the connection" |
| 02:44.14 | wps | I already started the "repair" |
| 02:44.16 | wps | is that alright? |
| 02:44.20 | mindjuju | yup |
| 02:44.31 | burnin | what is repair? |
| 02:45.02 | mindjuju | it flushes the dns cache, well, it wipes out most of the networking caches |
| 02:45.06 | wps | me either |
| 02:45.09 | mindjuju | obtains a new dhcp lease |
| 02:45.19 | burnin | ah, k |
| 02:45.20 | wps | I used to be a wizz, but it's been so many years since I've used one |
| 02:45.21 | wps | "Windows could not finish repairing the problem because the following action cannot be completed: renewing your IP address" |
| 02:45.33 | mindjuju | k, it doesn't see your router anymore |
| 02:45.34 | wps | and even at that, it was only at work where they wouldn't give me a Mac |
| 02:45.46 | wps | that doesn't make any sense |
| 02:46.17 | mindjuju | hey, wps, can you do me a huge favor, while the card isn't working |
| 02:46.23 | wps | sure |
| 02:46.33 | mindjuju | can you trace the cable fromt eh back of the computer to the hub, and see the port that it is going to on the hub |
| 02:46.38 | mindjuju | is the LED light on for that cable? |
| 02:46.40 | burnin | what were the results of the cable swap mindjuju suggested? |
| 02:46.58 | burnin | 25% packet loss suggests some hardware/cabling issues. |
| 02:47.01 | wps | the nic card has a solid amber light |
| 02:47.09 | wps | I am on the new cable |
| 02:47.19 | mindjuju | k, i think i know what it is |
| 02:47.26 | mindjuju | curiously enough |
| 02:47.38 | mindjuju | give me a sec though to see where the right window is |
| 02:47.39 | mindjuju | hang on |
| 02:47.44 | wps | k |
| 02:48.28 | mindjuju | k, right click on Local Area Connection |
| 02:48.35 | mindjuju | go properties |
| 02:48.36 | wps | one thing that I wish I could remember is the last time that this box worked (it only gets turned on a few times a year when I am working on a project that needs to be tested in MSIE) |
| 02:48.47 | wps | I got a new router six months ago and cannot remember if it worked since then |
| 02:48.51 | wps | it may have never worked with this router |
| 02:48.56 | wps | although it _should_ |
| 02:49.01 | mindjuju | yeah, it's very likely the NIC, but i can give you a temp fix |
| 02:49.14 | wps | k, I'm in properties |
| 02:49.28 | mindjuju | k, towards the top, you should see a button by itself that says configure |
| 02:49.34 | mindjuju | and it's next to your nic |
| 02:49.35 | wps | yes |
| 02:49.48 | mindjuju | k, new window pops up, click on the tab advanced |
| 02:50.03 | wps | k |
| 02:50.04 | mindjuju | k, here you should see a box with some options and a drop down |
| 02:50.15 | mindjuju | find the option that says Link Speed / Duplex Mode |
| 02:50.30 | mindjuju | when you click that, very likely the drop down will say auto negotiation |
| 02:51.18 | mindjuju | for the Value, now choose, 10MBps, Half Duplex |
| 02:51.20 | mindjuju | and say ok |
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| 02:52.49 | wps | "Link Speed / Duplex Mode" is not in the list (Properties) |
| 02:53.04 | mindjuj1 | dang, what options do you have on that list? |
| 02:54.12 | wps | adaptive interrupt, correction type, flow control, network address, receive buffers, transmit buffers |
| 02:54.59 | mindjuj1 | when you click on adaptive interrupt, does it give you a bunch of numbers |
| 02:55.14 | mindjuj1 | or something like interupt1 |
| 02:55.33 | wps | nope |
| 02:55.39 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.13 | mindjuj1 | what is available for correction type? |
| 02:56.42 | mindjuj1 | hey, is this a Dell computer? |
| 02:57.08 | wps | nope, a POS lemon that we got via a scam from a company back east that got shut down by the FBI |
| 02:57.22 | mindjuj1 | oh, bummer |
| 02:58.11 | mindjuj1 | what were the choices for correction type? |
| 02:59.33 | wps | (sorry… juggling my baby) |
| 03:00.45 | wps | 100BaseTx Full Duplex, 100BaseTx Half Duplex, 10BaseT Full Duplex, 10BaseT Half Duplex, Auto-Negotiation |
| 03:01.24 | mindjuj1 | yeah! |
| 03:01.24 | mindjuj1 | choose 10baseT half duplex |
| 03:01.37 | mindjuj1 | it REALLy should connect on this one and give you flashing green when you choose this |
| 03:02.00 | wps | just click okay and then check the nic light? |
| 03:02.09 | mindjuj1 | yeah, |
| 03:02.36 | wps | it changd |
| 03:02.38 | wps | solid green now |
| 03:02.43 | mindjuj1 | sweetness |
| 03:02.48 | mindjuj1 | try hitting web page now |
| 03:04.08 | wps | nope |
| 03:04.56 | burnin | could try the 100BaseTx Full Duplex, just in case the auto neg didn't work. |
| 03:05.23 | burnin | 10base 1/2 is pretty old stuff. |
| 03:05.49 | mindjuj1 | we should try the others... while ya'll do that, i'm going to see if i can find a spare NIC |
| 03:05.57 | wps | I'll try that |
| 03:06.06 | mindjuj1 | wps, do you have a free PCI slot in the box? |
| 03:07.01 | wps | I think it does |
| 03:07.46 | wps | I can't believe that the command line on windows doesn't have up-arrow-last-thing-I-typed-again |
| 03:08.26 | burnin | what is the windows version? |
| 03:09.34 | wps | xp pro |
| 03:10.35 | burnin | heh, so much for pro, I though win2k had the ability to arrow up through previous commands. |
| 03:10.44 | burnin | s/though/thought/ |
| 03:10.58 | burnin | thanks jbot |
| 03:11.30 | wps | I even tried bypassing the router and connecting it directly to another computer that was sharing it's internet connection but that didn't work either |
| 03:12.41 | wps | (well, I guess that that wouldn't be bypassing the router… it would just be connecting the win box via another avenue… through a computer with a known working connection opposed to directly to the router… in case the problem is the win box and the router talking) |
| 03:17.05 | burnin | ah, figured out my networking problem. for some reason the ipv4 localhost entry was missing from my /etc/hosts files. |
| 03:17.18 | burnin | there was only the ipv6 entry for some reason. |
| 03:26.12 | wps | thanks fir trying, mindjuj1 |
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| 12:39.36 | timinator | morning guys |
| 12:54.36 | xilch|w | morning timinator |
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| 13:51.40 | drip | morning |
| 13:56.37 | timinator | morning xilch|w, drip |
| 13:58.03 | synic | xilch|w: you up still? |
| 13:58.44 | xilch|w | yup |
| 13:58.54 | xilch|w | synic: haven't slept yey |
| 13:58.56 | xilch|w | yet |
| 13:59.03 | drip | i got about 10 minutes myself. |
| 13:59.05 | drip | =/ |
| 13:59.34 | xilch|w | synic: trying to get canadian gc5x7 split out of normal production |
| 14:00.07 | synic | xilch|w: see beefysnax |
| 14:00.39 | xilch|w | drip: that means we are more qualified for hallucinations that the rest of the well rested folk around here |
| 14:00.58 | drip | amen. |
| 15:03.37 | dataw0lf | morning gents |
| 15:03.47 | timinator | mornin |
| 15:04.09 | dataw0lf | I'm really angry about the BCS championship |
| 15:04.18 | dataw0lf | Ohio State alumni are going to have heads rolling in that program |
| 15:07.05 | dataw0lf | and if the vibe was suicide, then you would push da button, but if ya bowin' down, then let me do the cuttin'! |
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| 15:47.10 | dataw0lf | have you guys seen the c0ders theme for irssi? |
| 15:47.21 | synic | no, is it cool? |
| 15:47.27 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 15:47.41 | dataw0lf | http://www.irssi.org/themefiles/c0ders.png |
| 15:48.04 | synic | oh yeah, hehe :) |
| 15:48.35 | dataw0lf | I totally feel 1337 now |
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| 16:09.02 | dataw0lf | SELECT AGE_ID, GENDER_ID, PR1 FROM reults WHERE PR1=4269 |
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| 16:29.51 | gibba[w] | did anyone see the bruce campbell old spice commercial last night during the game? |
| 16:29.59 | gibba[w] | it was effin amazing |
| 16:30.02 | gibba[w] | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1OxkFOK18 |
| 16:30.03 | gibba[w] | ws |
| 16:31.16 | dataw0lf | I totally must've missed it |
| 16:31.23 | dataw0lf | wth |
| 16:33.12 | wps | that's the largest painting I've ever seen |
| 16:33.29 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.32 | dataw0lf | that was awesome |
| 16:33.49 | dataw0lf | Bruce Campbell is awesome. |
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| 16:38.06 | dataw0lf | coding to RATM fills me with happiness. If RATM didn't exist, I'd probably be working as a janitor at a urban high school. |
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| 17:17.45 | Utah_Dave | I've got a script that runs a mysql INSERT... SELECT ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE. It's a pretty big data dump and takes 5 minutes to run. |
| 17:18.08 | Utah_Dave | At one point we had it working without locking up the whole database |
| 17:18.18 | Utah_Dave | but now it locks up the whole database server |
| 17:18.26 | Utah_Dave | until it completes |
| 17:18.44 | Utah_Dave | Does anybody have any experience making a long-running script play nicely? |
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| 17:25.36 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, run at off peak hours |
| 17:25.50 | thebigdog | try to increment data bumps |
| 17:25.53 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: I know, but this script needs to run once an hour |
| 17:26.15 | thebigdog | break it into smaller chunks and run at intervals like 15min |
| 17:26.41 | thebigdog | what type of data is it? |
| 17:26.57 | thebigdog | what is your current setup? |
| 17:28.05 | Utah_Dave | we have a crappy MS SQL server that dumps into our MySQL server to a temp table |
| 17:28.42 | thebigdog | which is locking up? |
| 17:28.44 | thebigdog | mysql? |
| 17:28.52 | Utah_Dave | then we update and insert from the temp table into a production table that is used for our intranet |
| 17:29.18 | jsmith-teaching | Utah_Dave: Can you have reads come from mirror of your database, but writes go to another? |
| 17:29.19 | Utah_Dave | the whole mysql server comes to screeching halt until the script finishes |
| 17:29.21 | thebigdog | how much data you talking? |
| 17:29.56 | Utah_Dave | not that much data actually. something like 75 MB |
| 17:30.13 | Utah_Dave | 200,000 rows |
| 17:30.39 | thebigdog | that alot of data each hour |
| 17:31.06 | thebigdog | what type of data is it? |
| 17:31.41 | Utah_Dave | do you mean like what datatypes? |
| 17:32.01 | thebigdog | what type of data...meaning can you break it up into chunks |
| 17:33.07 | Utah_Dave | it's work order histories, etc |
| 17:33.22 | Utah_Dave | I'm not sure how to break it up |
| 17:33.32 | thebigdog | by time if you can |
| 17:33.56 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: I'll take a look at that |
| 17:33.59 | thebigdog | instead of doing 1 process at 200k records try doing 4 |
| 17:34.08 | thebigdog | and also jsmith-teaching has a good idea too |
| 17:34.25 | thebigdog | and double check that your inserts are ok...there might be a faster way to insert |
| 17:34.28 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I was talking with a coworker just now about that |
| 17:34.46 | thebigdog | pgsql has a copy command...wonder if mysql has one too |
| 17:35.01 | jsmith-teaching | Utah_Dave: Also look at doing BULK updates, so that it's not updating your indexes for every single insert. |
| 17:35.51 | Utah_Dave | jsmith-teaching: our problem is that some of the records need to be updated, while other records are new and need to be inserted |
| 17:35.59 | Utah_Dave | can you do bulk updates? |
| 17:36.11 | jsmith-teaching | Probably... not really sure. |
| 17:36.46 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, have you tried messing with mysql configuration vars too...adding more memory |
| 17:37.10 | thebigdog | like on buffer sizes |
| 17:38.36 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, but also remember that inserts on dup key is kinda expensive |
| 17:38.52 | Utah_Dave | I bet we could optimize mysql quite a bit. I've never done that before. Just used the defaults |
| 17:39.08 | Utah_Dave | yeah, dupe key is killing us |
| 17:39.19 | macnewbold | is that the same as REPLACE INTO? |
| 17:39.42 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: yeah, it is. REPLACE INTO works the same way |
| 17:40.31 | thebigdog | have you tested out load data? |
| 17:41.33 | Utah_Dave | let me check the docs and see if load data can do updates |
| 17:42.16 | thebigdog | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/insert-speed.html |
| 17:43.17 | thebigdog | i would also recommend increasing the buffer sizes too |
| 17:43.34 | thebigdog | esp key_buffer_size |
| 17:43.34 | thebigdog | that helps with inserts |
| 17:43.34 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: you might also consider writing something that runs many small queries instead of one giant one, so it doesn't lock forever |
| 17:43.46 | macnewbold | it wouldn't be more efficient, but it would decreaes your lock time |
| 17:44.36 | thebigdog | but i think with jsmith's idea and some others you can get it working like a champ |
| 17:44.52 | Utah_Dave | load data seems like it might work. but it seems like it would be slower to select into a file and then read it back in |
| 17:45.21 | thebigdog | load data is like 20x faster they say |
| 17:45.35 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 17:46.04 | thebigdog | compared to insert statements...however your updates are really expensive |
| 17:46.23 | Utah_Dave | to use jsmith-teaching's idea with mirroring it, do I have to have another server? or is there a way to do it within one instance of MySQL? |
| 17:51.13 | fungus | w00t, soon to be my new cell phone |
| 17:51.16 | fungus | http://media.macrumorslive.com/p/1168364876.jpg |
| 17:51.46 | jsmith-teaching | fungus: Mine too, most likely |
| 17:52.02 | jsmith-teaching | Utah_Dave: I've always done it with two servers |
| 17:54.26 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: I have 2 gigs or ram on that server. What should I set the key_buffer_size to? |
| 17:54.27 | thebigdog | what is it now? |
| 17:54.27 | Utah_Dave | 8.3 MB |
| 17:54.38 | Utah_Dave | 8,388,600 |
| 17:54.38 | thebigdog | ive seen as high as 64M....but i would test it out and see...like perhaps do 16M and then keep messing with it |
| 17:54.58 | Utah_Dave | ok, I'll try that |
| 18:00.30 | Utah_Dave | fungus: http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0182.jpg |
| 18:01.09 | fungus | yay |
| 18:03.16 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: do I just add key_buffer_size=32M under the [mysqld_safe] section in my.cnf? |
| 18:03.43 | thebigdog | yeah that should work |
| 18:05.20 | fungus | damn, it's a GSM phone. |
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| 18:08.08 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: hm, after restarting mysqld it's still got the old key_buffer_size |
| 18:08.21 | thebigdog | perhaps key_buffer then |
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| 18:09.13 | Utah_Dave | same. |
| 18:09.32 | thebigdog | you restarted the server? |
| 18:09.38 | thebigdog | mysql i mean |
| 18:09.38 | macnewbold | g'day, swb |
| 18:09.45 | swb | morning mac |
| 18:12.19 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, dont set that more then 50% of your total ram...you might start swapping at that point |
| 18:12.34 | thebigdog | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/server-system-variables.html |
| 18:13.30 | thebigdog | also look at bulk_insert_buffer_size too |
| 18:19.44 | Utah_Dave | I can change it on the command line, but the setting doesn't stick after a reboot. |
| 18:19.55 | Utah_Dave | adding the setting to my.cnf doesn't seem to work either |
| 18:20.21 | thebigdog | what version of mysql? |
| 18:20.51 | Utah_Dave | 5.0.27 |
| 18:21.49 | thebigdog | do you have a section called myisamchk? |
| 18:22.40 | Utah_Dave | no, there isn't one |
| 18:22.40 | thebigdog | it might need to go under myisamchk or isamchk...cant remember off the top of my head |
| 18:23.26 | thebigdog | i thought under mysqld it would work...but you might need to create those sections |
| 18:23.29 | optikal | Anyone in here a big SEO expert? or know of one? I have a problem that I'd like to discuss |
| 18:23.31 | thebigdog | perhaps mac might now more |
| 18:23.38 | Utah_Dave | I didn't have it under mysqld. It's there now |
| 18:23.38 | thebigdog | s/now/know |
| 18:23.40 | Utah_Dave | and it worked |
| 18:23.45 | thebigdog | oh cool |
| 18:23.47 | gibba[w] | dataw0lf, wasn't that commercial awesome? |
| 18:23.48 | optikal | I'm pretty up and hip on SEO, but I'm by no means an expert. |
| 18:24.16 | gibba[w] | oh and did you catch the necronomicon on the bookshelf and the chainsaw by the fireplace? |
| 18:24.24 | gibba[w] | heya swb |
| 18:24.26 | optikal | swb: I'd be happy to help with something like that |
| 18:24.34 | swb | hey gibba |
| 18:24.51 | swb | optikal: let's do it |
| 18:25.06 | swb | I'm still learning though |
| 18:25.17 | swb | what's your SEO trouble, I'm curious |
| 18:25.52 | _psychic_ | by SEO, you mean, publishing accesible, quality content, right? ;) |
| 18:26.39 | swb | by SEO, we mean content and source order and meta and sitemaps and clean design |
| 18:26.43 | swb | ;) |
| 18:27.10 | _psychic_ | then we're talking about the same thing :) |
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| 18:27.33 | swb | no black hat tendencies in this group, I'm sure! lol |
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| 18:27.59 | swb | _psychic_: have any SEO experience? are you a flash developer? |
| 18:28.12 | _psychic_ | How in the world are those two related? |
| 18:28.36 | optikal | swb: I've got a site thats not showing any backlinks through google, whereas it has backlinks.. it also has no PageRank, but doesnt appear to be blacklisted since it shows up on regular results and we have an AdWords campaign |
| 18:28.37 | swb | flash is tough when it comes to SEO |
| 18:28.45 | optikal | The site is also age: 4mos+ |
| 18:28.56 | swb | not related, but affect each other, yes? |
| 18:29.01 | _psychic_ | sure sure |
| 18:29.15 | _psychic_ | but its like saying, have any neurosurgeon experience? are you a plumber? |
| 18:29.16 | optikal | I wouldnt say that flash affects SEO, I'd say it has a lack of effect on SEO. |
| 18:29.30 | _psychic_ | its effect is negative |
| 18:29.39 | swb | or a negative effect on seo |
| 18:29.54 | swb | thus the questions |
| 18:30.07 | optikal | Negative effect? Even if the Flash code validates (which is rare for most sites)? |
| 18:30.43 | swb | it's a girl thing (unrelated questions/topics mixed together in conversation) ;) |
| 18:31.00 | optikal | hahah, thats the truth |
| 18:31.01 | timinator | definitely ;) |
| 18:31.14 | swb | actually, I don't think it has a negative effect really, it just has little or no effect, like you said |
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| 18:31.32 | gibba | wtf? |
| 18:31.54 | gibba | could an op plz kick my other nick |
| 18:32.02 | optikal | kick? Is it still connected? |
| 18:32.16 | gibba | yeah i got a connection reset for some reason |
| 18:32.19 | optikal | If so, that won't help you for changing your nick back.. will need to timeout first |
| 18:32.39 | gibba | grr |
| 18:32.40 | swb | optikal: site url? |
| 18:32.49 | optikal | swb: www.security-kits.com |
| 18:33.07 | Utah_Dave | gibba do a ghost on it |
| 18:33.30 | gibba | nope ... just got a connection reset and it rejoined and won't time out |
| 18:33.50 | gibba | Utah_Dave:^ |
| 18:33.53 | Utah_Dave | do a /msg nickserv yournick password |
| 18:34.08 | Utah_Dave | I mean: do a /msg nickserv ghost yournick password |
| 18:34.49 | gibba | keeps sayin pw incorrect |
| 18:35.09 | gibba | oh nvm |
| 18:36.15 | gibba[w] | coo |
| 18:37.04 | swb | optikal: looks like that site has backlinks to me... ? |
| 18:37.27 | swb | am I mixing up terms? backlinks are just inbound links, right? |
| 18:37.37 | optikal | right. How are you checking them? |
| 18:38.07 | swb | I don't put much stock in PageRank... do you think PageRank is a worthwhile stat? |
| 18:38.17 | swb | searching google with site:www.security-kits.com |
| 18:38.19 | optikal | hehe, PageRank is what google results are mainly based on |
| 18:38.34 | optikal | site doesnt return inbound links, that returns saturation.. link: returns inbound |
| 18:38.36 | herlo | swb: I do, because it gets me further up the google stack |
| 18:39.45 | swb | herlo: how so? isn't PageRank just some arbitrary google measure based on surfing habits by those with the toolbar insalled? |
| 18:39.50 | herlo | optikal: that is the calculation of several things like external links, internal links, text on page, title, etc... |
| 18:39.58 | herlo | swb, search for "Utah Open Source" |
| 18:40.02 | swb | I could be wrong, but it seems similar to Alexa to me, how it's calculated I mean |
| 18:40.13 | herlo | you'll notice my site http://www.utos.org is either number one or number two |
| 18:40.37 | herlo | swb: yeah, but 80-90% of the popular searches are on google |
| 18:40.40 | swb | optikal: I misunderstood because you said backlinks from goode |
| 18:40.46 | swb | s/goode/google/ |
| 18:40.50 | herlo | I spent several months getting my page rank up... |
| 18:41.06 | swb | rank != pagerank |
| 18:41.13 | herlo | and now, I don't think I'll have problems keeping it there |
| 18:41.15 | herlo | swb: true |
| 18:41.33 | optikal | yeah, I know exactly what PageRank is, I'm trying to figure out why my site has a PR of 0 and why Google is returning 0 inbound links when if you just google for "security-kits.com" you'll see several sites linking in |
| 18:41.34 | swb | I've heard experts say pagerank is just one indicator, and not really worth much except for comparisons |
| 18:41.40 | herlo | but if I stay active, my pr will increase as it's linked to and as we blog and such |
| 18:44.04 | optikal | herlo: Any idea? |
| 18:46.39 | swb | optikal: could it be a timing thing? |
| 18:46.52 | swb | backlinks are just slower to update in google? |
| 18:47.08 | swb | yahoo shows 234 |
| 18:47.23 | optikal | Well, there have been 0 backlinks since day 1.. the site has a lifespan of ~4-5mos |
| 18:47.39 | optikal | I know for sure that the ScanAlert and ezinearticle links were placed 3mos+ ago |
| 18:47.56 | optikal | And I've also read that every datacenter at Google is updated 4 times per year, or once per quarter. |
| 18:48.44 | optikal | (Which yes, precisely means that a datacenter that returns results could be calculating with an outdated datacenter that does PR, but after 3mos+ this is irrelevant) |
| 18:49.22 | swb | datacenter and pr could be run separately |
| 18:49.59 | swb | http://www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/page-rank-update-list.html |
| 18:50.54 | optikal | swb: They are |
| 18:50.58 | herlo | optikal: yeah, google updates some of there servers over time. I used ot have a site link around here somewhere that would show each of the google mirrors PR |
| 18:51.27 | optikal | swb: Exactly. But my point is, if there are atleast 2 backlinks that are older than 3mos, they should be showing up |
| 18:51.58 | optikal | herlo: That would be a very awesome link if you ever run across it |
| 18:52.20 | swb | hmm |
| 18:54.05 | herlo | optikal: I have a friend who has it for sure, find it is trickier than I thought... |
| 18:57.18 | swb | optikal: ScanAlert is the only BL I do see in google, what are some other pages that link to your site? |
| 18:58.12 | optikal | swb: google "security-kits.com" |
| 18:58.26 | optikal | ezinearticles is one of the older ones |
| 18:58.39 | optikal | Ill brb, going to get some food |
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| 19:09.31 | herlo | swb: optikal: try this site...http://livepr.raketforskning.com/ |
| 19:10.06 | swb | I think maybe optikal needs links on sites with higher authority |
| 19:10.32 | herlo | if you enter your site in there, you'll notice that there are several indexing servers at google. Some might show differently depending on which google server it's requesting |
| 19:10.46 | swb | neat |
| 19:11.34 | herlo | swb: what do you mean optikal needs higher authority links? |
| 19:11.49 | swb | so, the ScanAlert and ezinearticle pages that link to your site have PR of 0 (according to herlo's link) |
| 19:12.10 | swb | you need links from pages with high pr in order to increase your pr |
| 19:12.24 | herlo | swb: to whom are you talking? |
| 19:12.58 | herlo | swb, that's one way. Here's a site you might be interested in if you are looking to SEO your site. |
| 19:13.04 | herlo | http://www.christeredwards.com |
| 19:13.06 | swb | sorry, talking to optikal |
| 19:13.11 | herlo | swb: np |
| 19:13.24 | herlo | swb: just prefix the conv with his name so he'll respond |
| 19:13.54 | swb | I know, he said he went to get something to eat |
| 19:22.17 | herlo | swb: sorry, didn't mean to be rude |
| 19:22.31 | swb | not rude! |
| 19:22.51 | swb | I should've prefixed |
| 19:23.30 | herlo | swb: cool, we'll all be happy! :) |
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| 20:55.17 | dataw0lf | SEO? http://www.seomoz.org/articles/search-ranking-factors.php#1 |
| 21:05.13 | dataw0lf | Anyone know of any potential pitfalls in upgrading an existing MySQL 4 db to 5? |
| 21:07.16 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I did this recently and had one query that failed after moving from 4 to 5. |
| 21:07.24 | dataw0lf | that's it? |
| 21:07.36 | Utah_Dave | It was a pretty hairy query and I simplified it some and then it worked fine |
| 21:08.12 | Utah_Dave | that was our only problem, but this wasn't the most complicated app either |
| 21:09.19 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: tjree |
| 21:09.23 | macnewbold | yikes |
| 21:09.35 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: there's a page on mysql's site about compatibility |
| 21:09.42 | macnewbold | in the manual IIRC |
| 21:09.53 | macnewbold | it gives all the non-backward-compatible changes to watch out for |
| 21:10.07 | macnewbold | there's 4.0->4.1, and 4.1->5.0 guides on there |
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| 21:22.31 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: Awesome, thanks. |
| 21:22.37 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: Thanks bro |
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| 21:31.44 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: np |
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| 21:37.54 | mindjuju | wps, were you able to get that computer browsing? |
| 21:38.17 | mindjuju | i looked for a spare nic, but couldn't find one, seems like i had a ton a few days ago |
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| 21:44.15 | optikal | swb: back now. Running PR checks on ScanAlert returns PR of 8 across the servers, and ezinearticles.com returns a PR of 6. |
| 21:45.17 | optikal | herlo: Thank you much for that link! |
| 21:46.16 | swb | I was looking at the individual pages where your links are posted |
| 21:46.24 | swb | herlo: yeah, that link is pretty cool |
| 21:46.35 | herlo | optikal: swb: np |
| 21:47.07 | swb | optikal: I was just looking for any possible reason the backlinks wouldn't be showing |
| 21:47.30 | optikal | ooh true. That very well may be the case as to why my PR is 0, but my biggest concern is why Google is not returning backlinks. =/ |
| 21:47.36 | optikal | swb: Yeah, good eye.. thanks :) |
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| 21:54.36 | bradym | all this talk about SEO, I'm looking at some stats about my sites - http://www.onlinewebdirectory.com/county/kabwe_web_design.html links to my resume for some reason.. |
| 21:56.32 | bradym | that's a random thing for a linkbot to harvest |
| 21:59.26 | swb | bradym: and what about the bit about Joomla underneath the link? |
| 22:01.22 | bradym | swb: use my personal site to play around with stuff - i used to have it running joomla, so i assume it just grabbed the meta description or something |
| 22:01.56 | swb | yeah, it looks completely random right now since that meta isn't there any more |
| 22:01.59 | swb | heh |
| 22:02.36 | bradym | oh well.. i won't complain about a free link to my resume ;) |
| 22:03.53 | wps | nope |
| 22:03.54 | wps | :( |
| 22:04.26 | swb | actually, not to be negative or anything, but based on stuff I've heard lately, links from low quality sites (i.e. link farms or duplicate content sites or splogs) can bring your rank down |
| 22:05.11 | bradym | hmm.. good to know.. don't really care about the rank for that site, but nice to know for future projects |
| 22:06.05 | swb | optikal, in fact, I was thinking that's why you might be having trouble with google backlinks, because they're making changes to their link-weighting algorithms |
| 22:06.29 | swb | SEOs are saying too many links too fast is a red flag |
| 22:07.48 | swb | and links from ads don't count toward rank |
| 22:08.33 | swb | :( |
| 22:09.19 | bradym | no worries, this is all new to me :) |
| 22:10.04 | thebigdog | ~lart swb |
| 22:10.23 | mindjuju | you know, it sounds like swb is the SEO pro |
| 22:10.42 | thebigdog | +1 |
| 22:10.52 | mindjuju | all in favor, say Aye! |
| 22:11.00 | thebigdog | +1 |
| 22:11.19 | mindjuju | everybody must be sleeping |
| 22:11.23 | bradym | aye! |
| 22:11.27 | mindjuju | yeah! |
| 22:11.34 | mindjuju | 3 votes for swb |
| 22:11.42 | mindjuju | all opposed, say nay |
| 22:11.52 | swb | k, but only if you'll be nice |
| 22:12.31 | swb | lol |
| 22:12.33 | dataw0lf | a yellow ribbon, instead of a swastika, nothing proper about yer propaganda |
| 22:12.39 | optikal | swb: You're right, they ahve been making changes to their algorithms but according to what I've read, those changes are done |
| 22:12.43 | thebigdog | no one cares about pres skillz we let dw do it |
| 22:12.45 | macnewbold | +1 |
| 22:12.49 | macnewbold | what are we voting on? |
| 22:12.56 | thebigdog | +2 |
| 22:12.58 | dataw0lf | apparently on my sucky pres skills |
| 22:13.01 | mindjuju | we voted on swb doing a presentation on seo |
| 22:13.02 | dataw0lf | ~lart macnewbold |
| 22:13.10 | optikal | swb: There were 3 major algorithm changes made in the past 4 month or so |
| 22:13.13 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: if you remember, you presented with me |
| 22:13.23 | thebigdog | hey my skillz are worse |
| 22:13.32 | dataw0lf | pshaw whatever |
| 22:13.41 | dataw0lf | well, I mean, yes, they're worse than mine |
| 22:13.43 | dataw0lf | but they're not BAD |
| 22:13.45 | swb | it would be cool to have a presentation about public speaking... to help me out... |
| 22:13.48 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 22:14.02 | dataw0lf | swb: picture everyone naked. That's what I was doing |
| 22:14.09 | thebigdog | lol...public debating skillz |
| 22:14.10 | swb | rofl |
| 22:14.13 | macnewbold | eww, we're all guys, dataw0lf |
| 22:14.24 | thebigdog | he likes that |
| 22:14.25 | macnewbold | there wasn't a single girl in the room |
| 22:14.28 | macnewbold | yuck |
| 22:14.31 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 22:14.32 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 22:14.36 | macnewbold | ~lart thebigdog |
| 22:14.40 | mindjuju | how distressing |
| 22:14.42 | thebigdog | i like to picture myself in a thong |
| 22:14.45 | dataw0lf | that's why I sweating so bad |
| 22:14.48 | dataw0lf | was* |
| 22:14.48 | macnewbold | TMI |
| 22:14.50 | macnewbold | TMI |
| 22:14.51 | optikal | swb: Also, the rank of a site will not negatively affect the rank of your site, it will just may not positvely effect it. Optimally you want links from topic-similar high PR sites, for optimal "link credit" |
| 22:14.51 | thebigdog | oh wait...that is what i wear all the time |
| 22:14.55 | macnewbold | ~gouge my eyes out |
| 22:14.58 | dataw0lf | OMG |
| 22:15.01 | dataw0lf | ~gouge my eyes out too |
| 22:15.06 | thebigdog | lol |
| 22:15.19 | swb | optikal: there's some debate on that recently I think |
| 22:15.23 | dataw0lf | dude, you knocked jsmith off the internet, bigdog |
| 22:15.25 | mindjuju | i wonder if we have anybody for the feburary meet? |
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| 22:15.42 | optikal | swb: The only things that can negatively affect your rank will be things based on your domain, otherwise they will will either help a little or not at all |
| 22:15.48 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, sweet...he couldnt handle all the bigdog |
| 22:15.53 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:15.54 | swb | optikal: but hey, sounds like you're totally on top of the pr |
| 22:16.19 | dataw0lf | PR == page rank? |
| 22:16.31 | swb | dataw0lf: yes |
| 22:16.38 | dataw0lf | cool. |
| 22:16.44 | dataw0lf | more acronyms for dw |
| 22:16.45 | swb | although, I've been into learning about pr as in public relations |
| 22:16.48 | mindjuju | wps, do we have a person scheduled for the meet in february? |
| 22:17.04 | wps | yes |
| 22:17.05 | optikal | swb: Well, everything in SEO is _always_ being debated as there is no "technical specification" docs for seo.. but Google wouldn't implement a way in their algorithm to allow sabotoging of a sites rank.. people are trying to out rank each other all the time, and paying hundreds of thousands to do it.. if all you had to do was link a to a site from a bunch of low-scaled sites, you'd have thousands of bad spawn mirrors |
| 22:17.09 | wps | Alavaro Carrasco |
| 22:17.22 | mindjuju | oh yeah! i knew that |
| 22:17.22 | wps | March onward is open |
| 22:17.26 | swb | that's a really good point! |
| 22:17.36 | mindjuju | awesome. write in swb for March |
| 22:17.40 | mindjuju | topic SEO |
| 22:17.52 | mindjuju | coolio, swb? |
| 22:18.10 | dataw0lf | jeez, you're like a crack dealer mindjuju |
| 22:18.20 | swb | hehehe |
| 22:18.20 | dataw0lf | 'JUST DO IT, EVERYONE WILL LOVE YOU I SWEARZ' |
| 22:18.37 | swb | optikal probably has better SEO skillz than me |
| 22:18.40 | mindjuju | crack dealer? i deal in techno |
| 22:18.44 | dataw0lf | even worse |
| 22:18.51 | dataw0lf | at least crack doesn't make your ears bleed. |
| 22:18.54 | swb | optikal, are you up for presenting in March with me?\ |
| 22:19.12 | mindjuju | hey yeah, optikal & swb tag team SEO |
| 22:19.47 | mindjuju | i'll see if the company will donate donuts or something |
| 22:20.16 | swb | donuts with secret tranquilizer effects (to make for a docile audience)? |
| 22:20.21 | swb | muwahahahaa |
| 22:20.40 | mindjuju | will just put the tranq into DWs |
| 22:21.05 | optikal | swb: My offer to help definitely still stands. However, I do have to warn.. the next 2mo are going to be pretty busy for me, as I'm going to be moving to SLC end of Feb/beginning of March, and have 2 little projects I'm on.. but shouldn't be too hard to find enough time to get together a presentation |
| 22:21.05 | dataw0lf | plz no |
| 22:21.43 | mindjuju | hey cool, optikal |
| 22:22.05 | swb | optikal: you will be the technical editor |
| 22:22.11 | swb | how are you at speech-writing |
| 22:22.13 | swb | ha |
| 22:22.30 | optikal | I'd say pretty good |
| 22:22.43 | optikal | Not shabby, but by no means a pro |
| 22:22.55 | swb | ;) |
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| 22:23.32 | swb | do you guys hate the idea of a public speaking presentation? |
| 22:24.08 | thebigdog | i took ps in college |
| 22:24.15 | thebigdog | great class |
| 22:24.18 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: me too |
| 22:24.23 | dataw0lf | it sure was |
| 22:24.25 | dataw0lf | quite a few girls |
| 22:24.30 | swb | lol |
| 22:24.36 | thebigdog | i took it for an english credit i believe |
| 22:24.40 | thebigdog | i hate english |
| 22:24.47 | dataw0lf | I lubs engrish |
| 22:25.21 | dataw0lf | too bad you can't major in 'Sarcasm' in college, or I'd have my doctorate already. |
| 22:25.28 | thebigdog | my hardest class in college was a tech writing class...she covered more english grammer than any other eng class i took |
| 22:25.35 | dataw0lf | tech writing SUCKS |
| 22:25.51 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, try 2 b.s. in it |
| 22:25.54 | thebigdog | lol |
| 22:26.03 | dataw0lf | dropped that one two weeks in and picked up a creative writing class |
| 22:26.11 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: hehe, nice one buddy. |
| 22:26.20 | thebigdog | creative writting was good |
| 22:26.28 | thebigdog | my anthro class was one of my favs too |
| 22:26.29 | mindjuju | is Alavaro Carrasco in the IRC? |
| 22:26.37 | dataw0lf | I'm excellent at writing. Wanted to be a writer growing up |
| 22:26.43 | macnewbold | ~alvaro |
| 22:26.45 | dataw0lf | until I realized my other love would make more bucks |
| 22:26.49 | macnewbold | I'm not sure what his real name is |
| 22:26.58 | macnewbold | I mean, his IRC nick |
| 22:27.03 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 22:27.05 | dataw0lf | NERD |
| 22:27.06 | macnewbold | I don't think I've seen him in here |
| 22:27.17 | thebigdog | chem was good too |
| 22:27.18 | macnewbold | ~bonk dataw0lf |
| 22:27.20 | jbot | ACTION bonks dataw0lf over the head |
| 22:27.20 | dataw0lf | not that I can recall. |
| 22:27.33 | dataw0lf | I guess your IRC nick is your real name |
| 22:27.37 | dataw0lf | so you're forgiven |
| 22:28.08 | dataw0lf | you didn't nearly put as much thought into yours as I did though. I was 13 and it took me hours to come up with something 1337 enough. |
| 22:28.34 | dataw0lf | I used da+aw0lf for a while, even |
| 22:28.57 | dataw0lf | then I went to dataw0lf, then datawolf, then dataw0lf since it generates assumptions about my character. |
| 22:28.59 | swb | dataw0lf, you should write on your blog :) |
| 22:29.18 | dataw0lf | swb: I'm working on it, I want my Django code workin' just right. |
| 22:29.50 | swb | :) |
| 22:29.56 | thebigdog | <- comes from my first job |
| 22:30.43 | swb | <- is completely unoriginal (the nick I mean) |
| 22:31.01 | herlo | swb: but we like it |
| 22:31.04 | herlo | ;) |
| 22:31.08 | mindjuju | seems like i heard somebody in uphpu bad mouth flash, but i don't remember why. anybody here have a hateful grudge against Adobe Flash? |
| 22:31.16 | macnewbold | flash sucks |
| 22:31.17 | jsmith-teaching | me does! |
| 22:31.25 | thebigdog | i hate it |
| 22:31.27 | jsmith-teaching | No 64-bit support (yet) |
| 22:31.31 | jsmith-teaching | No PPC support on Linux |
| 22:31.35 | wps | I do if it's used inappropriately |
| 22:31.35 | herlo | mindjuju: mostly because it's used in advertising and totally revamps the way the web interface works... |
| 22:31.40 | macnewbold | lame support on linux too |
| 22:31.46 | herlo | and what macnewbold said |
| 22:31.47 | optikal | I dont hate Flash |
| 22:31.50 | jsmith-teaching | Cookies under Flash are near impossible to delete |
| 22:31.52 | mindjuju | hmm... |
| 22:31.53 | optikal | I hate Flash layouts, and I hate Flash advertisements. |
| 22:32.02 | herlo | mindjuju: did you expect this sort of response? |
| 22:32.03 | mindjuju | well, here is what i was thinking |
| 22:32.03 | optikal | But Flash used properly, like wps said, I dont mind. |
| 22:32.22 | swb | example of the improper use of flash: http://www.skipintro.nl/skipintro/skipintro98.htm |
| 22:32.25 | macnewbold | in general, it a tool used to do annoying things, so it is guilty by association, at least |
| 22:32.27 | thebigdog | i hate nothin more than checking about a movie site under linux and it doesnt work |
| 22:32.29 | optikal | We use a little flash here and there for some things.. it can offer a great sales presentation, far superior to what HTML/CSS could. |
| 22:32.47 | swb | I like flash for videos (youtube style) |
| 22:32.48 | dataw0lf | Flash sucks. |
| 22:32.53 | dataw0lf | JavaScript fope lyfe |
| 22:33.03 | mindjuju | the presenters computer for our meets, i can load my personal copy camtasia on it. camtasia will record the screen and will sync the voice -- that way, the presentations will have the compy screen and voice, be in swf so low file size |
| 22:33.17 | mindjuju | heck of a podcast if you ask me |
| 22:33.41 | Black_Chaos | mp4 would be better |
| 22:33.42 | mindjuju | course though, if the presenter is standing up, then we'd have to cam that, and the file size would be big |
| 22:33.48 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: What's the FreeBSD support of Flash like? |
| 22:34.02 | dataw0lf | or, rather, Flash's support of BSD |
| 22:34.11 | swb | no need to cam, audio is plenty good! |
| 22:34.13 | optikal | Everyone who said Flash sucks.. please supply a valid reasoning, I'm quite curious to what everyone has to say. |
| 22:34.27 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: freebsd supports flash via linux emulation |
| 22:34.35 | mindjuju | yeah, that's what i was thinking swb, audio and screen capture |
| 22:34.36 | optikal | Aside from Flash layouts/navigation or advertisements, because those obviously blow |
| 22:34.42 | macnewbold | in other words, you can either use a linux build of firefox, with a linux flash plugin, |
| 22:34.45 | mindjuju | last month's meet would have been great that way |
| 22:34.57 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: ah |
| 22:34.58 | macnewbold | or a native FreeBSD build of firefix with a linuxpluginwrapper and the linux flash plugin |
| 22:35.16 | mindjuju | as soon as the meet is over, i'll distill it to swf, send to wps and he can post |
| 22:35.22 | dataw0lf | optikal: Because it's a proprietary system owned by a company that has it's best interests in mind? Because browsers do not supply a standard Flash plugin do to this? |
| 22:35.51 | dataw0lf | s/do/due/ |
| 22:36.01 | dataw0lf | dang you jbot |
| 22:36.21 | mindjuju | we could have camtasia distill to avi, but the file size would be HUGE |
| 22:36.27 | macnewbold | s/do/due/? what the heck? you said it better the first time |
| 22:36.38 | dataw0lf | 'standard Flash plugin do to this' |
| 22:36.48 | dataw0lf | meant to replace that, forgot I had a do in there before it |
| 22:36.49 | macnewbold | oh, I thought that meant "to do this" |
| 22:36.50 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:37.03 | dataw0lf | either way, I screwed up! |
| 22:37.41 | mindjuju | so does the idea to record presentation in camtasia and distill down to swf sound like a good idea or a bad one? |
| 22:37.59 | dataw0lf | Bad. |
| 22:38.18 | Black_Chaos | good if it gets the presentation online, better if its in a good format |
| 22:38.21 | swb | I think it sounds good |
| 22:38.29 | dataw0lf | Bad. |
| 22:38.46 | xilch | sounds bad to me too |
| 22:38.49 | swb | you could provide an alternate file type to make dataw0lf happy |
| 22:39.06 | thebigdog | if i ever make it i can do a dvr it |
| 22:39.14 | mindjuju | i'll see what other file types it saves as |
| 22:39.30 | dataw0lf | .csv'd be nice |
| 22:39.33 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 22:39.34 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 22:39.44 | macnewbold | ~whaleslap dataw0lf |
| 22:39.45 | jbot | ACTION beats dataw0lf upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:39.45 | dataw0lf | no, I don't really care. |
| 22:41.21 | dataw0lf | dang, ow |
| 22:41.32 | dataw0lf | ~lart himself |
| 22:42.04 | dataw0lf | Yahoo geocoding is better than Google's geocoding |
| 22:42.10 | dataw0lf | thought I'd let everyone know. |
| 22:42.12 | mindjuju | k, here is the info on camtasia, it will let us record screen and camera, but i think that will take some editing and not sure who has time to do that. it will allow save in avi, mov,swf, wmv |
| 22:42.29 | mindjuju | and audio too |
| 22:42.43 | swb | dataw0lf: y? |
| 22:44.03 | swb | mindjuju: I vote for audio + slides or screencast |
| 22:44.28 | dataw0lf | because I can do geocode?location=<zipcode> and get the city, state, lat, lon, just about everything, served up in a nice little XML file |
| 22:44.37 | dataw0lf | and, it seems faster too |
| 22:44.40 | swb | you can get that with google |
| 22:44.43 | dataw0lf | I've had problems with Google maps and load times. |
| 22:44.49 | dataw0lf | swb: how? |
| 22:44.54 | swb | one sec... |
| 22:45.39 | mindjuju | will test it out on the next meet |
| 22:46.06 | thebigdog | if you got lat/lon i can give all that and an address too |
| 22:46.14 | swb | dataw0lf: http://www.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/#Geocoding_HTTP_Request |
| 22:46.20 | dataw0lf | I don't have lat/lon |
| 22:46.25 | dataw0lf | if I had lat/lon, it'd be much easier |
| 22:47.03 | dataw0lf | swb: for just a zipcode? that's for an address, my friend. |
| 22:47.27 | swb | oops, wasn't reading closely enough, sorry |
| 22:47.31 | dataw0lf | np |
| 22:47.41 | dataw0lf | I've done many a reading of the google API |
| 22:48.14 | swb | course, zip code shouldn't really give you lat/lon... as a zip code covers many lat/lons |
| 22:48.46 | swb | does yahoo pick the center of the zip code area? |
| 22:49.39 | thebigdog | i would think it does |
| 22:50.49 | dataw0lf | it does. |
| 22:51.15 | dataw0lf | and getting lat/lon from a zipcode is very useful |
| 22:52.49 | swb | just tested and google returns lat/lon for a zip code too |
| 22:53.51 | dataw0lf | I need city, state |
| 22:54.26 | swb | I see state, but not city :( |
| 22:55.15 | thebigdog | zip codes should only be in one city...they should atleast return city too |
| 22:55.45 | swb | I think most ppl use yahoo anyway, but I like google and I just need lat/lon based on address |
| 22:56.53 | dataw0lf | I dunno about that |
| 22:57.01 | dataw0lf | A lot of people use Google geocoding |
| 22:57.06 | dataw0lf | especially for lat/lon lookups |
| 22:57.19 | thebigdog | swb what do you use lat/lon for if you have the address? |
| 22:57.46 | thebigdog | i see going the lat/lon -> address but not the other way |
| 22:58.10 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: Google maps placement |
| 22:58.29 | thebigdog | oh |
| 22:58.30 | swb | planning to calculate distances based on lat/lon |
| 22:58.32 | synic | macnewbold: you in? |
| 22:59.40 | tierra | dataw0lf: when you coming in, I'm going to be in San Francisco all day thursday |
| 22:59.46 | tierra | but I should be back for lunch Friday |
| 23:00.21 | dataw0lf | tierra: I might have to fly to Portland OR, :-( for work |
| 23:00.21 | synic | or fungus |
| 23:00.30 | tierra | dataw0lf: doh |
| 23:00.36 | dataw0lf | tierra: if I don't make it this weekend, I'll be coming the weekend after |
| 23:00.39 | synic | ah Portland. It's like one giant one way street. |
| 23:00.49 | dataw0lf | Portland rocks. |
| 23:00.51 | tierra | alright |
| 23:00.52 | synic | yeah it does. |
| 23:01.11 | fungus | in for what? |
| 23:01.19 | tierra | yeah, I'd much prefer a work trip to Portland vs San Francisco, hehe |
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| 23:01.35 | synic | fungus: you're a freebsd user, correct? |
| 23:01.42 | dataw0lf | tierra: where you going in SF? |
| 23:01.44 | fungus | yup |
| 23:01.48 | dataw0lf | synic: so is mac |
| 23:01.53 | tierra | dataw0lf: MacWorld Expo |
| 23:01.58 | dataw0lf | tierra: oh, nice. |
| 23:02.04 | synic | fungus: can you cvsup and see if exaile is in ports? |
| 23:02.12 | fungus | sure |
| 23:02.30 | tierra | hehe |
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| 23:03.18 | fungus | http://www.freshports.org/audio/exaile/ |
| 23:03.49 | fungus | been in ports since 12/19/06 |
| 23:04.20 | synic | groovy. |
| 23:05.32 | dataw0lf | synic: how many is that? |
| 23:06.16 | synic | dataw0lf: I dunno, there are only a few of the big ones left. It's in Fedora, Mandriva, Arch, Debian, FreeBSD |
| 23:06.23 | synic | I imagine Ubuntu by default (soon) |
| 23:09.08 | dataw0lf | synic: sweet |
| 23:09.26 | synic | brb |
| 23:25.38 | Utah_Dave | does anyone know where I can find documentation on doing QoS and bandwidth shaping, etc in Linux or *SD |
| 23:25.55 | Utah_Dave | I haven't found anything that's been very helpful |
| 23:25.59 | fungus | In (Free|Open)BSD http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/queueing.html |
| 23:26.11 | Utah_Dave | my boss is even ready to buy something if necessary |
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| 23:27.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ahoy |
| 23:28.12 | Lone_Wanderer | link again? I didn't get it |
| 23:29.02 | fungus | In (Free|Open)BSD http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/queueing.html |
| 23:29.25 | fungus | Too bad you can't get PF on Linux. |
| 23:34.03 | Utah_Dave | fungus: this is pretty cool so far. How hard is this to implement? |
| 23:34.43 | fungus | Not very hard. On OpenBSD it is a cinch. FreeBSD takes a few tweaks to the kernel config. |
| 23:34.47 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: FreeBSD has several methods - besides pf, it can be done with iptables (I think), ipfw+dummynet, and I think at least one other way |
| 23:35.18 | macnewbold | the kernel tweaks in freebsd aren't hard either |
| 23:35.29 | fungus | ipfw+dummynet can do some of what PF+ALTQ can, but not all. depends on your needs. |
| 23:35.45 | macnewbold | if it is just a firewall/gateway/router box, openbsd is probably a more common approach |
| 23:36.35 | fungus | I use ipfw all the time for simple bandwidth limiting. But for the real fancy shaping stuff, I use PF. |
| 23:38.01 | dataw0lf | iptables fope lyfe. |
| 23:38.23 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: http://www.lartc.org |
| 23:38.44 | fungus | If you want a simple firewall/gateway/router box. pfSense.com has it all, pre-packaged |
| 23:38.45 | dataw0lf | Just use wondershaper, it should fit your needs. |
| 23:39.47 | dataw0lf | yea, too bad you can't get pf on Linux. If you're a noob! |
| 23:40.17 | dataw0lf | I don't know where all these 'natural language' tools came from into the hacker world. Pshaw. |
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| 23:41.46 | Utah_Dave | thanks for the tips, guys |
| 23:42.18 | beandog | Any network / windows admins looking for some emergency consulting work? :) |
| 23:42.40 | thebigdog | lol |
| 23:42.41 | dataw0lf | beandog: Onsite? |
| 23:42.49 | beandog | yah |
| 23:42.54 | dataw0lf | darn. |
| 23:42.54 | thebigdog | get install a new os |
| 23:42.56 | beandog | did I mention, death to windows? |
| 23:43.57 | fungus | network and windows in the same sentence??? WTF?! |
| 23:44.10 | dataw0lf | yea, I thought Bill Gates didn't believe in TCP/IP |
| 23:44.15 | beandog | something on the network is taking everything down |
| 23:44.18 | beandog | I cant pinpoint it. |
| 23:44.24 | beandog | and Ive spent two days trying to find it. |
| 23:44.27 | dataw0lf | what do you mean 'down' ? |
| 23:44.48 | beandog | network connections not functioning properly |
| 23:44.52 | beandog | ping works, http wont, ssh wont |
| 23:44.56 | beandog | etc. |
| 23:45.01 | dataw0lf | so TCP is down |
| 23:45.03 | beandog | a switch got fried |
| 23:45.21 | dataw0lf | can you do any sort of TCP connection? |
| 23:45.25 | dataw0lf | DNS? |
| 23:45.38 | dataw0lf | does ping work wit da DNS? |
| 23:45.41 | jsmith-teaching | beandog: Somebody plug both ends of the same ethernet cable into the same switch? |
| 23:46.06 | beandog | well I divided us into two networks |
| 23:46.13 | beandog | one with all the linu boxes, and two windows servers |
| 23:46.19 | beandog | and everyone else all on the windows desktops |
| 23:46.26 | dataw0lf | so you did a pseudo DMZ |
| 23:46.45 | fungus | If you have a network saturation problem, just start unplugging ports until it goes away. :) |
| 23:46.52 | beandog | jsmith-teaching: no, it just up and died yesterday at noon |
| 23:47.00 | beandog | I would do that, except the networking here is massive. |
| 23:47.09 | beandog | Something like 7 switches |
| 23:47.18 | beandog | 7 20-port switches. |
| 23:47.32 | dataw0lf | fungus: that's what I do! |
| 23:47.37 | beandog | anyway. |
| 23:47.40 | beandog | dunno what it is. |
| 23:47.44 | beandog | Theres only a few windows boxes. |
| 23:47.48 | dataw0lf | how many? |
| 23:47.49 | beandog | I assume its one of them |
| 23:47.55 | fungus | So unplug each switch until you find the bad switch, then find the bad port. |
| 23:47.55 | dataw0lf | the windows boxes are the ones that are dying? |
| 23:47.57 | beandog | 8? |
| 23:47.59 | dataw0lf | windows network, that. |
| 23:48.01 | dataw0lf | is* |
| 23:48.04 | beandog | No |
| 23:48.07 | beandog | They took out my linux router. |
| 23:48.21 | dataw0lf | oh, so the router is the real problem? |
| 23:48.37 | beandog | no |
| 23:48.39 | dataw0lf | you said ICMP is working on one of the networks, but not TCP, right? |
| 23:49.13 | beandog | I dunno. I think there was so much traffic it knocked it off line. |
| 23:49.30 | fungus | it's probably just saturating his uplink, and causing random packetloss |
| 23:49.43 | dataw0lf | what type of router? |
| 23:50.38 | beandog | we were using a suse box |
| 23:50.42 | beandog | its still the router for network #2 now |
| 23:50.43 | fungus | Find a monitor port on the master switch (or creative use of a hub), and use tcpdump / trafshow to find the culprit. |
| 23:51.02 | beandog | well I cant mess with it now |
| 23:51.13 | beandog | Ive got it in a working state, and I cant touch it until morning. |
| 23:51.22 | beandog | And even then I wont be able to figure out I think |
| 23:51.42 | beandog | So, if anyone wants to come onsite, and charge for helping us, I'm looking for some help. |
