| 00:00.38 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: mysql will let you update some views |
| 00:00.57 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: hehe |
| 00:01.10 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 00:01.46 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: yea, but a materialized view doesn't convert to a query, it's represented as an actual table. |
| 00:02.01 | dataw0lf | that'd be the real difference |
| 00:02.34 | dataw0lf | so you can add indexes to actual columns in the view, etc |
| 00:02.37 | dataw0lf | it's pretty slick |
| 00:05.46 | Utah_Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.51 | thebigdog | if you wanted to mimic mviews then you can have a stored proc that creates a new table based on a view select |
| 00:06.17 | thebigdog | its kinda hacking it...but it could work from some things |
| 00:06.34 | thebigdog | then have a cron that would run that stored proc |
| 00:06.41 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: yea, I've seen that done before. |
| 00:11.21 | dataw0lf | http://www.dodgeball.com/ |
| 00:12.12 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave on thing to note in mysql is that you can insert into views if only one table is involved in that |
| 00:12.37 | thebigdog | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/faqs-views.html |
| 00:22.17 | dataw0lf | has anyone ever had any significant issues when running an ALTER TABLE MAX_ROW query in MySQL? |
| 00:36.28 | timinator | I'm out... later guys |
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| 01:21.37 | dataw0lf | bradym: what's happenin |
| 01:21.41 | dataw0lf | bradym: you get my email/ |
| 01:21.51 | dataw0lf | s/\//?/ |
| 01:21.57 | bradym | yeah i did |
| 01:22.13 | bradym | thanks for letting me know that they haven't just forgotten about me or something ;) |
| 01:22.25 | dataw0lf | no, they're definitely interested. |
| 01:22.56 | dataw0lf | I think what happened was Trey left for Christmas break and one of the HR chicks in Foster City was supposed to get back to you |
| 01:23.01 | dataw0lf | but Trey said they might not have |
| 01:23.13 | dataw0lf | so what I'll do is I can have Trey call you tomorrow |
| 01:23.16 | dataw0lf | or you can call Trey tomorrow |
| 01:23.21 | dataw0lf | whichever |
| 01:23.38 | dataw0lf | because Trey stressed that they were definitely interested in you, which sounds like you probably have the job |
| 01:24.02 | bradym | i got a call from kelly from foster city wanting to set up a phone interview for me with someone from foster city.. so i sent her an e-mail saying i'd already done that.. next response was that we'd chat this week |
| 01:24.02 | dataw0lf | what happened was that HQ had funding to add like 3 or 4 people, and then lost it due to some drama during the holiday with the HR people and budget people. |
| 01:24.14 | dataw0lf | ok, word, Kelly |
| 01:24.21 | dataw0lf | I'll tell Trey that's what Kelly said |
| 01:24.35 | dataw0lf | and she'll get into her butt about contacting you tomorrow, I'm sure |
| 01:25.29 | bradym | I e-mailed Kelly yesterday asking what the next step is, and haven't heard anything yet. I was planning to call her or Trey tomorrow to see what's going on.. |
| 01:26.10 | bradym | It's kinda confusing that suddenly I'm dealing with Kelly - not really sure what the deal is with that.. |
| 01:26.43 | dataw0lf | yea, I know, I went through the same rigarmorale (sp?) |
| 01:26.51 | dataw0lf | Kelly is HR in Foster City, our corporate head quarters |
| 01:27.07 | dataw0lf | Trey is HR here in Reno |
| 01:27.24 | bradym | yeah |
| 01:27.24 | dataw0lf | so basically you've moved past the local step, and corporate is interested in you |
| 01:27.45 | bradym | that's nice to hear :) |
| 01:27.47 | dataw0lf | so the phone call with Kelly, she'll probably set you up to talk with some developers out there, they'll give you some questions about where your interests are, etc |
| 01:27.57 | dataw0lf | and then you'll fly out to Foster City to interview at corp hq |
| 01:28.38 | dataw0lf | it's a fairly long interview process, but from what I've heard it sounds like they like you a lot |
| 01:28.52 | dataw0lf | most people don't get past local HR, they're really picky about cutting off most people there. |
| 01:29.15 | bradym | ok, maybe that's the call she was talking about.. she mentioned getting me on the phone with some developers, and mentioned the name of the guy who did my phone interview so i thought that's what she was talking about |
| 01:29.27 | dataw0lf | who did your phone interview? |
| 01:29.29 | dataw0lf | Aaron? |
| 01:29.36 | dataw0lf | kinda southern accent |
| 01:29.39 | bradym | Andy from CA |
| 01:29.47 | dataw0lf | andy, andy... |
| 01:30.08 | dataw0lf | Andy Kelly? or Kung? |
| 01:30.25 | bradym | i think kung - can't remember for sure |
| 01:30.55 | bradym | i know that andy kung is the one that kelly mentioned, but i can't remember the last name of the guy who did my interview |
| 01:30.57 | dataw0lf | alright, i don't know either of em, but yea, you'll talk to some developers on your proposed team |
| 01:31.36 | dataw0lf | it's a real comfortable company, you shouldn't have to worry about anything, unless you screw up royally, which I truly doubt you will. |
| 01:31.42 | dataw0lf | did they send you that simple test to do? |
| 01:32.01 | bradym | yeah.. it was kinda entertaining |
| 01:32.06 | dataw0lf | hehe, yea, no kidding |
| 01:32.35 | bradym | i didn't quite know what to expect when trey said there was a test, then when i got it i think i may have actually laughed at it |
| 01:32.43 | dataw0lf | 'how would you write a table in HTML that looked like this:' |
| 01:32.49 | dataw0lf | it's like two rows and two columns |
| 01:33.12 | bradym | with a rowspan... |
| 01:33.26 | dataw0lf | yea, I almost laughed the company away when I saw the test. |
| 01:33.47 | dataw0lf | but trust me, it's deceiving ;) |
| 01:33.59 | dataw0lf | you'll go to FC and go through like 6 face-to-face interviews |
| 01:34.19 | bradym | wow.. very thorough |
| 01:34.20 | dataw0lf | one thing you'll notice, and mention this to me if you think it's true, EVERYONE is good looking at this company, it's ridiculous. |
| 01:34.33 | bradym | lol |
| 01:34.36 | dataw0lf | yea, you'll talk to two marketers, two developers, and two managers |
| 01:35.21 | dataw0lf | they'll give you a rent-a-car when you fly in because you'll probably fly in to San Jose Airport and Foster City is right next to San Mateo, which is like a 100 dollar taxi ride roundtrip |
| 01:35.43 | dataw0lf | it's fun though, wait til you see corporate HQ |
| 01:35.46 | mindjuju | wow, maybe i should be a taxi driver |
| 01:36.07 | bradym | sounds cool :) |
| 01:36.29 | dataw0lf | it's pretty sweet, just remember the Reno office is way smaller, but has the same amenities ;) |
| 01:37.52 | dataw0lf | we just need to get you hired, and then I'll push to get you switched to the Inkle team to replace Kenal so you can work with me. That'd be nice, since everyone I work with is at corporate hq, and I'd like someone to bounce ideas off of locally ;) |
| 01:38.52 | bradym | sounds good to me :) |
| 01:38.57 | dataw0lf | :-) |
| 01:39.27 | dataw0lf | sup herlo |
| 01:39.32 | dataw0lf | how were the slopes? |
| 01:39.38 | herlo | dataw0lf: skiing was great |
| 01:39.46 | herlo | tons of powder not too many people |
| 01:39.49 | dataw0lf | lucky bastard. |
| 01:39.51 | bradym | where'd you go? |
| 01:39.53 | dataw0lf | the snow is SOOOO heavy here |
| 01:39.57 | herlo | snowing like mad on the way home |
| 01:40.01 | herlo | Brighton |
| 01:40.09 | bradym | nice |
| 01:40.30 | herlo | Yeah, it was. My son (Shaun, 6) went too, he was in Ski School |
| 01:40.31 | dataw0lf | dude, I hear all these great things about boarding in the Sierras, and I get the worst winter they've ever had |
| 01:40.51 | dataw0lf | we just got a foot though, so I think the natural base is like 3 feet |
| 01:41.02 | herlo | dataw0lf: it's been that way in Utah for some time though, no real snow to speak of, now we're getting dumped on the year I decide to start up again |
| 01:41.14 | herlo | 60" base at Brighton |
| 01:41.17 | dataw0lf | Nice. |
| 01:41.26 | herlo | yeah, and 8" of that was today |
| 01:41.31 | herlo | before I left |
| 01:41.32 | dataw0lf | of powder |
| 01:41.34 | dataw0lf | dang |
| 01:41.37 | herlo | yup |
| 01:41.37 | dataw0lf | you're a lucky man |
| 01:41.43 | herlo | my car took 10 minutes to clean off |
| 01:42.07 | bradym | wow, we don't even have any snow on the ground in Logan |
| 01:42.33 | mindjuju | draper got like 4" |
| 01:42.35 | mindjuju | yuck! |
| 01:43.16 | dataw0lf | winds exceeding 80 mph up to my house |
| 01:43.22 | dataw0lf | gots to stay with the gf tonight |
| 01:44.22 | herlo | dataw0lf: Payson to South of Santaquin is closed on I-15 |
| 01:44.27 | herlo | due to snow |
| 01:44.43 | herlo | dataw0lf: can't complain can ya |
| 01:44.55 | dataw0lf | I dunno, she's taking me to an art show |
| 01:45.02 | dataw0lf | so maybe I CAN complain |
| 01:45.12 | bradym | lol |
| 01:45.20 | dataw0lf | course, it's hosted by a brewery here, so it can't be that bad if I can get drunk |
| 01:45.38 | herlo | dataw0lf: exactly |
| 01:45.40 | herlo | ;) |
| 01:47.52 | bradym | time for dinner, i'm out for now.. laters |
| 01:48.17 | mindjuju | laters |
| 01:49.24 | dataw0lf | herlo: true dat! |
| 01:49.37 | dataw0lf | oh yea, Brady is getting hired. |
| 01:50.17 | dataw0lf | I'm totally recruiting every good programmer I meet to replace some of these idiots we have in the HQ teams |
| 01:50.36 | herlo | dataw0lf: where do you work anyway? |
| 01:51.01 | dataw0lf | QuinStreet, senior web dev / network extraordinaire |
| 01:51.50 | dataw0lf | I'm in a unique position where I have to do R&D web dev, review jr teams' code, and also manage two of our Linux/Unix server teams |
| 01:53.17 | dataw0lf | right now I have two jr teams really excited about Python and we're switching three PHP based sites to Django, and I'm mentoring our Solaris admins on proper MySQLd administration |
| 01:53.34 | dataw0lf | plus writing some PHP code for an existing site |
| 01:54.10 | dataw0lf | oh, and flaming RackSpace support every chance I get about our Linux virtual servers |
| 01:55.52 | herlo | nice |
| 01:56.04 | herlo | you guys use RackSpace? |
| 01:56.12 | dataw0lf | yea, unfortunately |
| 01:56.16 | dataw0lf | the people over there are idiots |
| 01:56.23 | mindjuju | true that, dataw0lf |
| 01:56.29 | herlo | I've not heard too much about them, just seen there website from time to time |
| 01:56.44 | mindjuju | i'm actually in the process of pulling our assets internally |
| 01:56.44 | dataw0lf | I wish I'd recorded this session with three of their sr. sys admins and me going toe to toe |
| 01:56.56 | herlo | dataw0lf: it's the way it goes... |
| 01:57.02 | dataw0lf | with my team on conference call, giggling in the background |
| 01:57.27 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Yea, we do a lot of stuff internal, but for our R&D stuff we usually use virtual servers. |
| 01:57.37 | dataw0lf | herlo: these guys were backing up in the middle of the day |
| 01:57.46 | herlo | dataw0lf: nice |
| 01:57.48 | dataw0lf | after I'd explained to them that they needed to backup at 2 am |
| 01:57.52 | dataw0lf | twice |
| 01:58.01 | herlo | ;) |
| 01:58.05 | dataw0lf | seriously, who's getting Linux admin jobs these days? |
| 01:58.28 | dataw0lf | if you're a Sr. Linux Sys Admin, you should have experience as a Unix Admin, these are sentiments. |
| 01:58.33 | herlo | well, it's not me. I think the pain and suffering management likes to deliver would prevent me from ever really going there... |
| 01:58.34 | dataw0lf | my sentiments* |
| 01:58.45 | herlo | dataw0lf: agreed |
| 01:59.15 | dataw0lf | like, 4 years ago, Debian Sys Admins, those were the guys to go to because they were all disgruntled SysV * admins. |
| 01:59.39 | dataw0lf | now you got all these kids coming from Fedora, Gentoo, and Ubuntu to Debian because it's the '1337' thing to do |
| 02:00.23 | dataw0lf | Yes, I sound like an elitist, but, hey, I grew up using Debian and HP-UX. |
| 02:00.32 | herlo | yeah, but it's not a bad way to learn, just time and experience is all they really need. The title is "Junior System Administrator" |
| 02:00.52 | dataw0lf | some of these kids couldn't hack it at 'Jr Tech Support' though. For real |
| 02:01.53 | herlo | wow |
| 02:02.07 | herlo | they're in for a world of pain for a while I say |
| 02:04.16 | dataw0lf | yea, no kidding. |
| 02:04.19 | dataw0lf | from guys like me |
| 02:04.36 | dataw0lf | at RackSpace when I call now, they won't let Jr Sys Admins answer the phone |
| 02:05.18 | dataw0lf | it's like an event for them, I can just imagine them scurrying around in anticipation of my complaints. |
| 02:05.47 | dataw0lf | like attempting to do a complex repair on my MySQL tables without authorization |
| 02:06.04 | dataw0lf | I actually had them change their backup / recovery policies |
| 02:06.13 | dataw0lf | for everyone |
| 02:07.54 | dataw0lf | I really wish I knew someone who knew WebTrends really well |
| 02:07.59 | dataw0lf | you ever used WebTrends, herlo? |
| 02:14.47 | dataw0lf | yeaaaaa, what about that, sucka? |
| 02:15.38 | mindjuju | you prolly didn't know this dataw0lf, but they are playing adam freeland on di.fm /breaks -- that'll keep ya from listening to man in the box 1 more time |
| 02:15.42 | dataw0lf | now freedom must be fundamental, in Johannesburg, or South Centra. |
| 02:15.45 | dataw0lf | Central8 |
| 02:15.48 | dataw0lf | Central* |
| 02:15.49 | dataw0lf | argh |
| 02:16.01 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Oh, man, thanks! |
| 02:16.14 | dataw0lf | I don't listen to that crap |
| 02:16.15 | mindjuju | can't believe you don't like techno |
| 02:16.37 | dataw0lf | it's because I have what's called 'taste' |
| 02:16.45 | herlo | dataw0lf: nice |
| 02:16.59 | mindjuju | and it's this "taste" that's letting you listen to RATM ? |
| 02:17.03 | dataw0lf | dude |
| 02:17.10 | dataw0lf | don't talk smack about Rage Against The machine |
| 02:17.16 | dataw0lf | I might go crazy on ya |
| 02:17.24 | dataw0lf | herlo: based on what? |
| 02:17.37 | herlo | dataw0lf: give him a break, he's mindjuju |
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| 02:17.45 | dataw0lf | this is true |
| 02:17.48 | herlo | dataw0lf: whether it's already mapped |
| 02:17.54 | dataw0lf | herlo: ah |
| 02:18.21 | dataw0lf | you could probably use :if in some way |
| 02:18.56 | dataw0lf | :set somevar? |
| 02:18.59 | dataw0lf | ^^ |
| 02:18.59 | herlo | it seems that every time I try to use a key, its mapped, yet when I try to unmap it, it says the mapping doesn't exist |
| 02:19.58 | herlo | dataw0lf: yeah |
| 02:20.14 | dataw0lf | herlo: check it out :set val? gives you whether it's set or not |
| 02:20.23 | dataw0lf | with the question mark |
| 02:20.34 | dataw0lf | I love the bass in this song |
| 02:20.51 | herlo | dataw0lf: I used :map and it shows that it's mapped |
| 02:21.04 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 02:21.33 | dataw0lf | not a silent one, but a defiant one, never a normal one |
| 02:21.35 | herlo | but it seems it's only after everything gets started |
| 02:21.37 | dataw0lf | sorry, RATM is distracting me |
| 02:21.43 | herlo | dataw0lf: no worries |
| 02:22.01 | dataw0lf | let's see |
| 02:22.11 | dataw0lf | what platform you using vim on? |
| 02:22.15 | dataw0lf | Linux, I assume |
| 02:22.21 | dataw0lf | just so I can test correctly. |
| 02:22.25 | herlo | dataw0lf: pretty much |
| 02:22.29 | dataw0lf | aight |
| 02:22.31 | herlo | FC6 |
| 02:23.23 | dataw0lf | you tried :help map, right? |
| 02:23.34 | dataw0lf | might have some answers for ya |
| 02:23.46 | dataw0lf | if you want to priv me the mapping itself, I might be able to be more help |
| 02:24.05 | herlo | dataw0lf: up |
| 02:24.06 | herlo | yup |
| 02:24.30 | herlo | dataw0lf: its '<C-W> :tabclose<CR>' |
| 02:24.39 | herlo | and <C-w> :tabclose<CR> |
| 02:24.47 | herlo | seems both are affected. |
| 02:24.54 | herlo | btw, it |
| 02:24.56 | herlo | 's gvim |
| 02:25.20 | herlo | I want Ctrl+W to do what it's supposed to do...open new windows within one tab |
| 02:25.20 | dataw0lf | \ah |
| 02:25.26 | dataw0lf | right |
| 02:27.24 | herlo | if I run :unmap <C-W> and :unmap <C-w> and it works, but only after I'm loaded into gvim |
| 02:27.26 | dataw0lf | you've tried a :split mapping, I assume? |
| 02:27.28 | dataw0lf | oh |
| 02:27.30 | dataw0lf | gotcha |
| 02:27.43 | dataw0lf | you got a .gvimrc? |
| 02:27.54 | dataw0lf | or post your .vimrc if that doesn't exist |
| 02:27.59 | herlo | hmm, lemme look |
| 02:28.13 | dataw0lf | have you tried unmapping them in the vimrc/ |
| 02:28.25 | dataw0lf | s/\//\?/ |
| 02:28.35 | herlo | no .gvimrc, pastebinning my .vimrc |
| 02:28.53 | herlo | vimrc/ ? as in /etc/vimrc ? |
| 02:29.16 | dataw0lf | as in your .vimrc |
| 02:29.24 | dataw0lf | add the unmapping to that and it should work fine |
| 02:29.39 | herlo | dataw0lf: did that |
| 02:29.49 | herlo | that's where it's not working |
| 02:29.55 | herlo | my ~/.vimrc |
| 02:30.22 | dataw0lf | how did you do it? |
| 02:30.33 | dataw0lf | you can check and see if it's a gui instance, that might solve the problem if you do that |
| 02:30.44 | herlo | unmap! <C-W> |
| 02:30.52 | herlo | dataw0lf: gui instance? |
| 02:31.00 | dataw0lf | yea, eine moment |
| 02:31.04 | herlo | k |
| 02:31.47 | dataw0lf | if has("gui_running") |
| 02:32.08 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.12 | dataw0lf | try that |
| 02:32.20 | herlo | dataw0lf: k |
| 02:33.29 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: ^^ |
| 02:33.31 | dataw0lf | c'mon |
| 02:33.42 | herlo | dataw0lf: no luck |
| 02:33.42 | dataw0lf | put your 'oonf oonf oonf oonf' music against my band buddy |
| 02:33.44 | herlo | same error |
| 02:33.48 | dataw0lf | herlo: huh |
| 02:33.55 | herlo | hold on |
| 02:33.56 | dataw0lf | man I dunno |
| 02:34.19 | herlo | Error detected while processing /home/clints/.vimrc: |
| 02:34.19 | herlo | line 6: |
| 02:34.19 | herlo | E31: No such mapping |
| 02:35.10 | dataw0lf | man |
| 02:35.11 | dataw0lf | wtf |
| 02:35.11 | herlo | when I hit <C-w> E784: Cannot close last tab page |
| 02:35.24 | herlo | unless there's another tab, and then it's closed |
| 02:35.29 | dataw0lf | I wonder if it's built into the new Vim |
| 02:35.39 | dataw0lf | you tried :help split to see if they reassigned keymappings? |
| 02:35.57 | herlo | It used to work, I mapped it once recently and it seems to have stuck |
| 02:36.08 | herlo | haven't updated vim that I know of |
| 02:36.14 | dataw0lf | what vim version? |
| 02:36.16 | dataw0lf | 6? |
| 02:36.19 | herlo | 7 |
| 02:36.37 | dataw0lf | duh, with tabs |
| 02:36.49 | herlo | VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Sep 28 2006 23:00:38) |
| 02:36.52 | dataw0lf | I dunno dude |
| 02:37.09 | herlo | yeah, me neither. I'd ask my boss, he's a vim wizard, but he's on vacation this week |
| 02:37.16 | herlo | dataw0lf: thanx for the help trying though |
| 02:37.25 | dataw0lf | sorry I couldn't be of more help bro |
| 02:37.35 | herlo | funny hting is if I manually unmap it, everything works as normal |
| 02:37.39 | dataw0lf | Ctrl-W works fine for me on 7 |
| 02:37.52 | dataw0lf | that's what makes me think it's something builtin |
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| 02:39.38 | dataw0lf | Killing in the Name Of! |
| 02:39.49 | dataw0lf | some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses |
| 02:40.02 | dataw0lf | Uhhhh! |
| 02:40.09 | dataw0lf | killing in the name of! |
| 02:40.20 | dataw0lf | now you do what they toldja |
| 02:40.50 | mindjuju | i wonder if they technoized any RATM ? |
| 02:41.17 | dataw0lf | Adam Freeland can't compete against 1) one of the greatest electric guitarists ever, 2) probably the greatest political lyricist ever, besides Dylan and 3) having the 'Jump up and Get down' influence |
| 02:41.21 | dataw0lf | they have |
| 02:41.26 | dataw0lf | I've got dem tracks |
| 02:42.29 | dataw0lf | those who died, are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites |
| 02:42.38 | dataw0lf | c'mon! |
| 02:42.46 | dataw0lf | then Morello goes all crazy on the guitar |
| 02:43.07 | dataw0lf | **** you I won't do what you tell me |
| 02:43.12 | dataw0lf | **** you I won't do what you tell me |
| 02:43.20 | mindjuju | greatest guitarst is Satch, followed by Malmsteen -- nuff said |
| 02:43.58 | dataw0lf | greatest guitarist is Vai, no competition |
| 02:44.13 | dataw0lf | unh, my favorite track, Take The Power Back |
| 02:44.39 | mindjuju | if you need great bass, then you should listen to breaks |
| 02:44.43 | dataw0lf | dude |
| 02:44.52 | mindjuju | i'm just saying |
| 02:44.53 | dataw0lf | I'm not interested in some nerd screwing around on his mixer |
| 02:45.01 | dataw0lf | I want to hear real bassists |
| 02:45.10 | dataw0lf | listen to Take The Power Back |
| 02:45.23 | dataw0lf | mother**** Uncle Sam, I know who I am |
| 02:46.53 | herlo | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 02:46.57 | herlo | ~lart mindjuju |
| 02:46.57 | dataw0lf | The present curriculum, I put my fist in em, Eurocentric every last one of em, See right through the red, white, and blue disguise, With lecture I puncture the structure of lies |
| 02:47.01 | dataw0lf | heck yea |
| 02:47.05 | dataw0lf | greatest lyrics EVAR! |
| 02:47.17 | dataw0lf | dude, mindjuju is my boy |
| 02:47.27 | dataw0lf | we just disagree on many political and musical issues :) |
| 02:47.53 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 02:48.07 | mindjuju | why lart when you flat out hit, though? |
| 02:48.12 | mindjuju | ~dhit herlo |
| 02:48.17 | jbot | ACTION appears right behind herlo and slaps him in the back of the head |
| 02:48.21 | dataw0lf | it's dwhit, I think |
| 02:48.24 | herlo | mindjuju: nice |
| 02:48.25 | dataw0lf | ~dwhit herlo |
| 02:48.27 | jbot | ACTION and dataw0lf demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on herlo's forehead |
| 02:48.37 | herlo | ~herlo mindjuju and dataw0lf |
| 02:48.48 | dataw0lf | ~dataw0lf |
| 02:48.49 | jbot | methinks dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr |
| 02:48.50 | herlo | I like mine the best, cept jbot doesn't know about it |
| 02:48.53 | dataw0lf | awww jea |
| 02:48.54 | herlo | ~herlo |
| 02:48.56 | jbot | you are, like, the best boardgamer ever, works for Guru Labs and generally reads good things his friends lend him |
| 02:49.20 | dataw0lf | dude, we gotta boardgame |
| 02:49.25 | dataw0lf | Axis and Allies? Yea, me all the way. |
| 02:49.35 | dataw0lf | or any wargame you can think of, buddy. |
| 02:49.43 | dataw0lf | minis is my stuff fo sho |
| 02:50.22 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: have you ever heard RATM's first album, the self entitled album? |
| 02:50.39 | dataw0lf | it's totally anti-mindjuju politics, but the music is pretty awesome |
| 02:50.53 | mindjuju | i prolly heard it in high school |
| 02:51.06 | dataw0lf | well, next friday when I come to visit I'm bringing you a CD |
| 02:51.11 | dataw0lf | RUN IT! |
| 02:51.24 | mindjuju | yeah, i'll bring you some Tiesto |
| 02:51.33 | mindjuju | then you'll be singing a different tune about techno! |
| 02:51.34 | dataw0lf | what the hell is Tiesto? |
| 02:51.38 | dataw0lf | dude |
| 02:51.43 | dataw0lf | optikal has already tried to convert me |
| 02:51.54 | dataw0lf | and that kid has the biggest techno collection ever |
| 02:51.59 | dataw0lf | I'm down with Infected Mushroom |
| 02:52.00 | dataw0lf | that's about it |
| 02:52.03 | mindjuju | i didn't hear RATM play at the Olympics |
| 02:52.07 | mindjuju | Tiesto did |
| 02:52.17 | herlo | dataw0lf: you coming to the Geek Lunch then? |
| 02:52.22 | dataw0lf | herlo: yessir |
| 02:52.26 | dataw0lf | flying in that morning |
| 02:52.35 | herlo | dataw0lf: cool, I think I'll be there too |
| 02:52.43 | dataw0lf | word, should be fun. |
| 02:53.08 | dataw0lf | I remember the FIRST geek lunch! ha!... I also bought like 3 people their lunch |
| 02:53.55 | herlo | dataw0lf: was that the one at the Chinese restaurant by St. Marks? |
| 02:53.59 | mindjuju | yup, that was almost a year ago |
| 02:54.02 | dataw0lf | herlo: yup |
| 02:54.09 | herlo | I recall that one as well. March I think |
| 02:54.12 | dataw0lf | a month or so before I moved. |
| 02:54.16 | herlo | dataw0lf: yeah |
| 02:54.25 | dataw0lf | were you there? |
| 02:54.29 | herlo | and you disappeared of the face of the earth for a while |
| 02:54.32 | herlo | herlo: yeah |
| 02:54.36 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 02:54.36 | herlo | dataw0lf: yeah |
| 02:54.37 | herlo | omg |
| 02:54.40 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 02:54.44 | dataw0lf | yea, I sure did |
| 02:54.45 | herlo | ~lart herlo |
| 02:54.46 | dataw0lf | I was surfing |
| 02:54.52 | herlo | dataw0lf: nice |
| 02:55.05 | herlo | I heard something about a fire and something about a family member being sick |
| 02:55.39 | dataw0lf | oh, my little sister died, too, that was kind of a nudge to do something crazy. |
| 02:56.24 | dataw0lf | stuff happens, right? |
| 02:56.33 | mindjuju | that would be pretty tough to handle |
| 02:57.00 | dataw0lf | needless to say, the guy who was driving that car (drunk), well, he's not in very good condition, still, I here. |
| 02:57.17 | dataw0lf | not that I was the guy who kicked his head in or anything. |
| 02:57.23 | herlo | dataw0lf: that's what it was... |
| 02:57.27 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 02:57.37 | dataw0lf | janey was a good girl I miss her. |
| 02:57.47 | herlo | well, okay, I send my condolences... |
| 02:58.23 | dataw0lf | no worries, it was partly her fault, she was getting into the wrong crowd, and after her death it really helped me and my brothers get out of the same crowd, so, hey, even bad things have their benefits |
| 02:59.26 | herlo | yeah, true that |
| 02:59.51 | herlo | I've been on the wrong side of the tracks too many times in my life, I feel stronger for many of the experiences I have |
| 02:59.57 | herlo | had |
| 03:01.06 | dataw0lf | yup, I've learned a lot from all the things I've been through. |
| 03:02.09 | herlo | life is kinda that way |
| 03:02.21 | dataw0lf | alright, gents, the gf is giving me the 'LETS GO' sign, so I have to take off |
| 03:02.25 | dataw0lf | herlo: true that |
| 03:02.27 | dataw0lf | y'all take care |
| 03:02.33 | herlo | dataw0lf: cheers |
| 03:02.50 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 14:21.58 | drip | good morning |
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| 14:55.19 | swb | can I just say that I hate faxes? |
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| 15:03.46 | swb | jsmith, I think someone said you work with voip, true? |
| 15:04.13 | jsmith | swb: Yes, I'm a VoIP consultant and trainer |
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| 15:06.33 | swb | I think it'd be cool to setup something to retrieve my voicemail and deliver it to me via email |
| 15:06.47 | swb | small time stuff probably, but I don't know much about voip |
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| 15:07.07 | jsmith | swb: Asterisk already has settings to email you your voicemail, or to save your voicemail on an IMAP server |
| 15:07.24 | jsmith | swb: It can also send you a text message when you get voicemail |
| 15:07.40 | swb | save it, but what aboit retrieving it... say... from my work voicemail system (which is not voip) |
| 15:08.18 | jsmith | That's a little tricker, but can probably be done. |
| 15:08.49 | timinator | jsmith rocks |
| 15:08.56 | jsmith | It would have to dial into your work voicemail system |
| 15:09.02 | jsmith | Hit the right DTMF keys |
| 15:09.11 | swb | sounds doable |
| 15:09.12 | jsmith | Record the audio from your voicemail system. |
| 15:09.16 | jsmith | wait for silence |
| 15:09.25 | jsmith | Hit the key to go on to the next message |
| 15:09.28 | jsmith | rinse and repeat |
| 15:09.50 | jsmith | Personally, I'd rather see you rip out your existing work phone system and replace it with Asterisk ;-) |
| 15:09.58 | jsmith | But it should be doable |
| 15:10.17 | jsmith | The only problems I see is telling when you've listened to all your messages. |
| 15:10.27 | swb | hehe, there are office politics involved in that, between IT and facilities mgt |
| 15:10.32 | swb | plus they're CHEAP |
| 15:10.34 | jsmith | (so it doesn't get in a loop trying go to the next message, when there isn't one) |
| 15:10.45 | jsmith | swb: Asterisk is open-source |
| 15:10.51 | jsmith | swb: Hence it's CHEAP too |
| 15:11.13 | swb | so, the only barrier then, is control |
| 15:11.41 | swb | check this out: http://youmail.com/ |
| 15:12.27 | jsmith | That's so last century ;-) |
| 15:13.11 | jsmith | Shoot -- with Asterisk I can play different greetings based on time of day, caller id, the weather, whether or not I'm at home, etc. |
| 15:13.39 | swb | what about efax.com? (separate topic) I want to get faxes via email for work (the voicemail stuff is for personal) |
| 15:13.51 | dataw0lf | jsmith: does it slice and dice? |
| 15:14.11 | swb | I don't have a land line at home, would I need one for asterisk? |
| 15:14.22 | jsmith | swb: Nope... not if you've got an internet connection |
| 15:14.47 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yes.... does the CUT() function count? |
| 15:15.00 | dataw0lf | SWEET! |
| 15:15.20 | dataw0lf | it certainly does, sir! |
| 15:15.38 | dataw0lf | I wish I knew voip better. |
| 15:15.42 | swb | so, would I need a service or something to get a phone number assigned? |
| 15:16.02 | swb | or would I even need a number to do the voicemail retrieval thing? |
| 15:16.44 | jsmith | swb: You'd need some type of service. I can suggest a good one to you. |
| 15:16.54 | jsmith | dataw0lf: We have ways of making you learn ;-) |
| 15:17.28 | swb | someone told me they use arrivaltel.com, it's local (Utah) |
| 15:17.45 | jsmith | And, just so that we keep this relatively on topic, you can use PHP to control what happens to your phone calls ;-) |
| 15:17.50 | jsmith | swb: That's who I'd recommend. |
| 15:17.54 | swb | can asterisk do faxes? |
| 15:18.02 | jsmith | It can, but it doesn't handle them very well. |
| 15:18.02 | dataw0lf | jsmith: I'm going to setup asterisk at the apartment one of these days |
| 15:18.08 | jsmith | I'd suggest hylafax for faxes. |
| 15:18.14 | dataw0lf | then I'll bug you constantly |
| 15:18.21 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yeah, I know how your "one of these days" are |
| 15:18.35 | dataw0lf | true enough |
| 15:19.15 | jsmith | swb: In short, faxing over an IP connection is a hack at best, unless you have two endpoints that both support the T.38 protocol |
| 15:19.16 | swb | thanks for the know-how jsmith! so, are you an independent contractor for voip? |
| 15:19.33 | jsmith | I was for a while, but now I'm a salaried contractor |
| 15:19.44 | jsmith | I work for a company out of Kansas City called Sokol & Associates |
| 15:19.53 | jsmith | www.sokol-associates.com |
| 15:20.03 | dataw0lf | jsmith: you ever seen any Python SIP phones? |
| 15:20.10 | jsmith | We do Asterisk training classes and consulting, as well as run the AstriCon conference. |
| 15:20.17 | jsmith | dataw0lf: As in soft-phone written in Python? |
| 15:20.26 | dataw0lf | right |
| 15:20.26 | jsmith | Hmmmn... can't say that I have. |
| 15:20.42 | dataw0lf | wonder if there are any.. |
| 15:20.54 | jsmith | Should be pretty easy though... take iaxlib and wrap some python around it. |
| 15:21.00 | dataw0lf | I couldn't recall seeing one either, but there's gotta be something out there |
| 15:21.43 | dataw0lf | looks like OpenWengo uses Python for scripting or something |
| 15:21.54 | jsmith | swb: Anyway, if you're interested, there's the Utah Asterisk Users' Group (UTAUG) at utaug.org and #utaug |
| 15:22.05 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Interesting. |
| 15:22.07 | swb | thanks jsmith |
| 15:22.38 | dataw0lf | http://divmod.org/trac/ <- very interesting |
| 15:22.47 | dataw0lf | 'Shtoom' |
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| 16:39.45 | timinator | mornin' thebigdog |
| 16:40.11 | thebigdog | aye...top th' mornin' |
| 16:40.12 | dataw0lf | morning gents |
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| 16:50.05 | dataw0lf | huh, wth |
| 16:50.37 | dataw0lf | you can do function some_func($i = $this->blah) {} in PHP 4, correct? |
| 16:51.14 | _psychic_ | getting an error? |
| 16:51.56 | dataw0lf | no, it's just timing out, it's getting stuck when attempting to execute the func def |
| 16:52.19 | dataw0lf | I think my PHP is broken :| |
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| 17:17.21 | dataw0lf | it's a shame you can't do that |
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| 17:22.58 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 17:23.19 | Utah_Dave | I don't think my haxor skillz compare with yours, dataw0lf |
| 17:25.40 | dataw0lf | oh, no, I was talking about using that format in PHP |
| 17:25.47 | dataw0lf | but, yes, it's too bad you can't hax0r me too |
| 17:33.46 | mindjuju | wow, every loves swb 's idea of Kyoto |
| 17:33.54 | mindjuju | just got 3 more RSVPs |
| 17:33.56 | macnewbold | nice |
| 17:33.58 | macnewbold | how many is that? |
| 17:34.06 | macnewbold | ~feed mindjuju |
| 17:36.55 | mindjuju | i have these so far |
| 17:36.56 | mindjuju | tierra |
| 17:36.56 | mindjuju | dataw0lf |
| 17:36.56 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 17:36.56 | mindjuju | cabot nelson |
| 17:36.56 | mindjuju | alvaro carrasco |
| 17:36.58 | mindjuju | chris hill |
| 17:37.00 | mindjuju | mindjuju |
| 17:37.02 | mindjuju | swb |
| 17:37.04 | mindjuju | synic |
| 17:37.06 | mindjuju | herlo |
| 17:37.08 | mindjuju | fungus |
| 17:37.14 | herlo | mindjuju: |
| 17:37.23 | mindjuju | though, i need to go throughlog to see who else said they were coming |
| 17:37.27 | herlo | :) |
| 17:37.30 | mindjuju | cause a bunch of people said it all at once |
| 17:38.46 | mindjuju | so, so far, theres 11, but i think others said they were going |
| 17:39.02 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: what city is it in again? |
| 17:39.03 | mindjuju | i'd wager, by the time it's all said and done, the'll be 15 easy |
| 17:39.04 | dataw0lf | jsmith? |
| 17:39.06 | mindjuju | SLC |
| 17:39.22 | Utah_Dave | next Friday? |
| 17:39.24 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:39.26 | mindjuju | can you go? |
| 17:39.34 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yes? |
| 17:40.53 | dataw0lf | jsmith: was just asking if you were coming |
| 17:41.25 | jsmith | dataw0lf: That would be kind of hard, considering I moved to Virginia in August |
| 17:41.25 | Utah_Dave | I might be able to |
| 17:41.41 | dataw0lf | dang |
| 17:41.45 | dataw0lf | I thought you were still in SLC |
| 17:41.51 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Not only that, but I'll be in Hunsville, AL next Friday :-( |
| 17:43.16 | herlo | jsmith: you can cancel, it's better in Utah this time of year! |
| 17:43.51 | dataw0lf | jsmith: wow, that's cool |
| 17:44.15 | jsmith | herlo: How 'bout you come teach the class for me, oh might instructor |
| 17:44.24 | herlo | mighty! |
| 17:44.28 | herlo | mighty! |
| 17:44.30 | herlo | herlo! |
| 17:44.33 | herlo | ;) |
| 17:50.21 | dataw0lf | ok, got a question for you guys |
| 17:50.36 | dataw0lf | let's say you have some sort of php script redirection page, you do logic, then send a Location: header |
| 17:50.48 | dataw0lf | how would you add javascript to that page |
| 17:50.50 | dataw0lf | impossible, right? |
| 17:50.57 | dataw0lf | so any alternate solutions you can think of? |
| 17:51.06 | jsmith | No, not impossible to put javascript on the page, but it probably won't get run. |
| 17:51.14 | dataw0lf | well, right |
| 17:51.16 | jsmith | You could use javascript to do a redirect. |
| 17:51.25 | jsmith | It's ugly though |
| 17:51.36 | dataw0lf | yea, see, that's what I'm thinking, that's my last possible option |
| 17:55.16 | dataw0lf | a HTTP refresh/redirect? |
| 17:56.14 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: you can use a Meta tag - http-equiv='refresh' |
| 17:56.24 | mindjuju | yeah, but now your talking 6s |
| 17:56.31 | macnewbold | or do the javascript redirect as mentioned |
| 17:56.54 | macnewbold | but it wouldn't be done as an http 301 or whatever from a header(Location) call in your php |
| 17:57.03 | macnewbold | you'd send them the html that would cause the redir and run the JS |
| 17:57.11 | macnewbold | (not in that order hopefully) |
| 18:01.32 | dataw0lf | dang this sucks |
| 18:03.59 | cyco|w | yikes! a meta refresh for a redirect? |
| 18:04.16 | cyco|w | no access to the .htaccess file on the servar? |
| 18:05.04 | macnewbold | doing the redirect is easy, but the nice ways to do it don't send back a page that would have JavaScript in it that could run |
| 18:05.18 | macnewbold | so you'd have to do some kind of client-driven redirect |
| 18:06.42 | cyco|w | you couldn't send some document.writes in the stead of a header: location? |
| 18:07.16 | dataw0lf | it doesn't matter |
| 18:07.18 | dataw0lf | cyco|w: |
| 18:07.22 | dataw0lf | because I need the JS to run |
| 18:07.31 | dataw0lf | if headers get sent, it's not going to get run |
| 18:07.57 | cyco|w | like a document.write( history.replace( page.html ) ) type of thing? |
| 18:08.09 | cyco|w | (i don't know a whole lot of javascript, i usually google for that) |
| 18:08.27 | dataw0lf | I guess I could refresh the page as soon as it loads then send a Location header |
| 18:08.43 | cyco|w | mmm, that could work.. |
| 18:08.56 | macnewbold | yeah, but you might as well just do the redirect instead of a refresh _and_ a redirect |
| 18:09.21 | dataw0lf | yea, but if I do the refresh immediately after the page loads, it'll be down a minimum amount of time |
| 18:09.26 | cyco|w | i do like the history.replace thing (used it in the past) cause then if they hit back, it doesn't run any scripts again.. |
| 18:09.37 | dataw0lf | with a meta redirect I'll have to give it some solid time |
| 18:09.59 | dataw0lf | content="3; URL=blah.html" |
| 18:10.07 | dataw0lf | very minimum I'm staying there for 3 seconds |
| 18:10.18 | cyco|w | wait, synic wrote a php function that tests for if headers are sent and does the redirect a different way if they have.. let me find it.. |
| 18:10.20 | dataw0lf | and what if the javascript doesn't run, in the time alloted, too |
| 18:12.15 | macnewbold | that's why you might want to run the javascript, and at the end of it run "document.location='newpage.php';" to redirect it |
| 18:12.37 | dataw0lf | dang it |
| 18:12.41 | dataw0lf | dang javascript |
| 18:12.51 | dataw0lf | but I'm going to have to add some for my solution too, so you're right |
| 18:12.57 | cyco|w | hey, here's the one that synic wrote: http://pastebin.com/852027 |
| 18:13.03 | cyco|w | might be of some help mebbe.. |
| 18:13.24 | cyco|w | there's some stuff specific to the web app in there too though mebbe.. |
| 18:20.53 | dataw0lf | yea, I just did that, basically. |
| 18:22.03 | cyco|w | sweet man |
| 18:23.51 | olds | heh, I just spent 10 minutes debugging this javascript problem in internet explorer |
| 18:24.10 | olds | I said 'grey' instead of 'gray' |
| 18:24.22 | cyco|w | gotta love that.. |
| 18:24.26 | synic | mindjuju: so yeah, I'm not going to be able to make it out, which is lame because I <3 Japanese foodz |
| 18:24.49 | olds | too busy on exaile? |
| 18:24.57 | synic | going to a cabin with my fam |
| 18:24.58 | cyco|w | synic: yrulame |
| 18:25.08 | synic | cyco|w: cz i suck |
| 18:25.16 | cyco|w | j/k cutie ;) |
| 18:26.16 | cyco|w | synic: this bring back any memories? |
| 18:26.17 | cyco|w | if( $egg ) eggFunction(); |
| 18:26.17 | cyco|w | else showEgg(); |
| 18:27.33 | synic | not even a littlebit |
| 18:27.38 | synic | wait. |
| 18:27.40 | synic | maybe a little. |
| 18:27.51 | synic | easter egg? |
| 18:27.53 | cyco|w | print "<title>Beavis</title>\n"; |
| 18:27.53 | cyco|w | print "</head>\n"; |
| 18:27.53 | cyco|w | print "<body bgcolor=black text=white>\n"; |
| 18:27.53 | cyco|w | print "<img src=\"http://www.qkbz.com/beavis.gif\">\n"; |
| 18:28.12 | synic | rofl. Leave it to Bob to have code of mine that I hardly remember. |
| 18:28.44 | synic | haha, the image is still there |
| 18:28.56 | cyco|w | i wondered if it was.. |
| 18:28.57 | cyco|w | nice.. |
| 18:29.48 | synic | Now I need to put that image in Exaile somewhere as an easter egg for posterity sake |
| 18:30.23 | cyco|w | sweet man |
| 18:30.45 | synic | like... whenever you play pantera, that image comes up. |
| 18:30.57 | cyco|w | that'd be cool man.. |
| 18:31.26 | mindjuju | that's a bummer synic! |
| 18:31.58 | cyco|w | czech this out synic http://woodenpickle.ath.cx:8088/images/logo.jpg |
| 18:32.27 | synic | :D That logo rocks. |
| 18:32.33 | synic | it's pimpin |
| 18:32.45 | cyco|w | and a penguin |
| 18:33.00 | synic | can't get much better than that |
| 18:40.08 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 18:41.53 | dataw0lf | ~lart mindjuju |
| 18:41.57 | dataw0lf | ~dwhit mindjuju |
| 18:41.58 | jbot | ACTION leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on mindjuju |
| 18:42.01 | dataw0lf | ~bdhit mindjuju |
| 18:42.02 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at mindjuju's pain |
| 18:42.33 | dataw0lf | and that's just the beginning. Wait til I play you in Halo 2. |
| 19:09.33 | mindjuju | dataw0lfs attacks were so weak, i couldn't feel them |
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| 19:31.12 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 19:31.22 | bradym | hey |
| 19:31.24 | mgeary | anyone here up for a little bash scripting support? |
| 19:31.57 | bradym | wish i could, i've done very little bash scripting though |
| 19:32.46 | mgeary | well jeeze, c'mon. ;) |
| 19:36.19 | bradym | you might want to try #linuxhelp or ##linux -- though i'm sure someone in here could help, most are not always monitoring the chat room |
| 19:36.38 | mgeary | yeah, it's just nice to chat with local folk when possible |
| 19:36.49 | mgeary | i think i've about got it by stringing "ls" with "grep" though |
| 19:36.50 | bradym | very true |
| 19:37.08 | bradym | what are you trying to do? i'll help if i can.. |
| 19:37.33 | dataw0lf | bradym: talk to Kelly yet? |
| 19:37.41 | dataw0lf | mgeary: what's the problem? |
| 19:37.49 | bradym | dw: nope, still haven't heard anything |
| 19:37.53 | mgeary | get the LATEST single file from a directory listing of files matching a pattern |
| 19:38.17 | mgeary | so, i can do "ls -t whatever_*" to get the list of matching files by date |
| 19:38.23 | mgeary | but i want the FIRST file only |
| 19:40.33 | beandog | find might be able to do it. |
| 19:41.09 | dataw0lf | bradym: heh, just found out Kelly is on maternity leave |
| 19:41.17 | dataw0lf | so Michelle will be calling you |
| 19:41.30 | beandog | er, you could just use head |
| 19:41.33 | beandog | if its always the first one. |
| 19:41.34 | mgeary | yeah, find is worth checking. not sure if i can automatically impose a limit on it |
| 19:41.40 | beandog | ls -t foo* | head -n1 |
| 19:42.00 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:42.03 | mgeary | heh. just got that |
| 19:42.08 | mgeary | that's the trick |
| 19:42.16 | mgeary | merci |
| 19:42.31 | beandog | yah |
| 19:42.51 | beandog | anyone recommend a good php email validator |
| 19:43.06 | beandog | dont need to do dns lookup or anything, just boolean is a valid address |
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| 19:43.35 | dataw0lf | http://uphpu.org/2005/01/06/verifying-email-addresses-in-php/ |
| 19:44.00 | macnewbold | that's an old one :) |
| 19:44.10 | macnewbold | fungus made some good comments though |
| 19:44.18 | macnewbold | alternatives to going out to the shell |
| 19:44.28 | dataw0lf | yea, the mx function and all that |
| 19:44.36 | macnewbold | if you don't need a dns lookup, just steal the regular expression |
| 19:44.42 | macnewbold | it's just a preg_match |
| 19:44.58 | dataw0lf | btw, your presentation was a hit, mac |
| 19:45.00 | dataw0lf | danke |
| 19:45.03 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 19:45.11 | macnewbold | kazumteit |
| 19:45.29 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 19:45.39 | macnewbold | I'm glad it helped |
| 19:46.37 | beandog | meh |
| 19:46.40 | beandog | this gray on black is hard to read. |
| 19:47.00 | beandog | I must be getting old. |
| 19:47.20 | beandog | That preg is pretty simple |
| 19:47.47 | beandog | that'll work |
| 19:47.50 | beandog | thanks dataw0lf |
| 19:52.50 | beandog | http://rafb.net/p/ZLS6Qy62.html |
| 19:52.53 | beandog | bettah :D |
| 19:57.44 | dataw0lf | don't thank me, thank mac |
| 19:58.57 | beandog | thanks macnewbold |
| 20:07.27 | jsmith | wps: I wish you could do... |
| 20:07.44 | dataw0lf | jeez, wps, join the 21st century |
| 20:07.51 | jsmith | wps: It's on your company's wish list... but hasn't risen to the top of the pile yet |
| 20:08.49 | wps | yeah |
| 20:10.29 | beandog | wps: youre not still working for the utah mls are you? |
| 20:10.36 | wps | oh heavens no |
| 20:10.43 | beandog | oh, good |
| 20:11.06 | wps | yeah… learned that the hard way |
| 20:22.33 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:22.39 | beandog | bash is teaching me better php skillz |
| 20:22.41 | beandog | bash++ |
| 20:23.18 | wps | I want a terminal in the bathroom |
| 20:23.29 | macnewbold | think wireless |
| 20:23.36 | macnewbold | and something non-porous, so you can sanitize it |
| 20:23.45 | wps | nah… carrying a laptop in is gross |
| 20:24.05 | wps | I just want a terminal that mirrors my desktop's displays, so that I can continue reading an article while I'm busy |
| 20:24.29 | mgeary | is there a way to have mysql load a dumpfile from the command line? I know you can: mysql> source "path/to/sql/file", but i want to do it from a shell script |
| 20:25.26 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:25.27 | mgeary | mysqlimport |
| 20:25.36 | mgeary | alrighty then |
| 20:27.10 | mgeary | :/ but that only operates on a per-table basis, it seems |
| 20:27.49 | beandog | whats wrong with mysql < foo.sql? |
| 20:27.54 | beandog | oh wait |
| 20:27.56 | beandog | oh. |
| 20:28.04 | beandog | \e or something I think |
| 20:28.10 | beandog | oh, wait |
| 20:28.14 | beandog | maybe I read that wrong twice. |
| 20:28.43 | dataw0lf | mmmm BLT |
| 20:28.50 | mgeary | beandog: haven't tried that. might work, for all i know |
| 20:29.03 | beandog | mgeary: yah, from $ |
| 20:29.09 | beandog | just $ mysql < foo.sql |
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| 20:29.22 | beandog | I think there might be an argument to read it in directly, dunno. |
| 20:29.32 | mgeary | you mean $mysql -uuser -ppassword < some_long_sql |
| 20:29.33 | mgeary | ? |
| 20:29.54 | beandog | well I wouldnt put -ppassword on a line |
| 20:29.59 | mgeary | well, yeah |
| 20:30.02 | mgeary | but you know what i mean |
| 20:30.34 | beandog | use my.cnf |
| 20:30.35 | beandog | or something. |
| 20:30.42 | beandog | some chmod'd hidden auth password file |
| 20:30.59 | beandog | or just setup a user with permissiosn to only touch that |
| 20:31.01 | beandog | or somthing |
| 20:31.03 | beandog | lots of options. :) |
| 20:31.15 | dataw0lf | just make it immutable and laugh when people try to screw with it |
| 20:31.22 | beandog | lol |
| 20:31.30 | beandog | bofh++ |
| 20:31.39 | dataw0lf | true dat |
| 20:31.49 | dataw0lf | 99% of Linux users have no idea about ext3 attributes |
| 20:33.33 | beandog | ext3? |
| 20:33.36 | beandog | when is ext4 coming out anywya |
| 20:33.49 | beandog | seems like last I heard it was just around the corner |
| 20:33.59 | dataw0lf | it was included into the kernel in late November |
| 20:34.12 | dataw0lf | 2.6.19, methinks. |
| 20:34.25 | beandog | oh so its already in mainline kernel? |
| 20:34.27 | beandog | pretty cool. |
| 20:34.51 | Black_Chaos | I thought it was just in the -mm kernel? |
| 20:37.12 | dataw0lf | nope, it's in 2.6.19 |
| 20:37.14 | dataw0lf | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_19 |
| 20:37.56 | Black_Chaos | cool |
| 20:38.06 | beandog | I like that site |
| 20:38.26 | beandog | not that Im a kernel n00b or anything. :) |
| 21:16.23 | thebigdog | im a n00bguru |
| 21:17.14 | beandog | oh, great guroob |
| 21:17.49 | thebigdog | jbot, thebigdog is a guroob |
| 21:17.51 | jbot | okay, thebigdog |
| 21:18.20 | thebigdog | ~thebigdog |
| 21:18.21 | jbot | somebody said thebigdog was a guroob |
| 21:18.22 | beandog | buh. |
| 21:18.22 | beandog | jbot, thebigdog is a guroob |
| 21:18.24 | jbot | beandog: i already had it that way |
| 21:19.07 | Utah_Dave | "guroob" almost sounds like "goober" :) |
| 21:20.31 | mindjuju | it also almost sounds like shalub, that dude that plays Monk |
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| 21:27.51 | jsmith | Today's topic: Why indexes on database tables are a good idea, and why queries with seven left joins could use them |
| 21:28.28 | brasto | fungus - what was that link for a Unix File's Create Date? |
| 21:28.54 | brasto | jsmith - indexes are good things on commonly searched fields, but not necissarily on all fields. |
| 21:29.13 | jsmith | brasto: Yes, I realize that. |
| 21:29.21 | jsmith | brasto: It's all about the ratio of reads to writes |
| 21:29.26 | brasto | you can do 63 or so joins with MySQL in one query, and you do want to use an index for each join if possible |
| 21:29.34 | brasto | ok |
| 21:29.49 | brasto | right |
| 21:29.52 | jsmith | I thought MySQL would only use one index per query |
| 21:30.06 | jsmith | Not trying to flame, just trying to make sure I still understand |
| 21:30.15 | beandog | I like to index all my columns. |
| 21:30.18 | beandog | you know, just in case. |
| 21:30.27 | jsmith | beandog: That'll slow down your inserts. |
| 21:30.33 | brasto | i've never seen anything that says that |
| 21:30.44 | beandog | jsmith: Im totally kidding |
| 21:30.47 | brasto | that says MySQL uses only one index per query, that is |
| 21:30.48 | beandog | and it definately would. |
| 21:30.52 | beandog | :) |
| 21:31.10 | jsmith | Remember that you can use a self join to get around the one index per query limit of MySQL |
| 21:31.14 | jsmith | Straight from the mysql docs |
| 21:31.23 | jsmith | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/en/Fulltext_Search.html |
| 21:31.38 | brasto | beandog: that would also make text fields potentially much larger - but since you are kidding you probably know that, too... |
| 21:31.51 | brasto | ah, that's for fulltext indexes |
| 21:31.58 | brasto | that's different |
| 21:32.00 | beandog | yah |
| 21:32.01 | jsmith | It's also in the High Performance MySQL book |
| 21:32.23 | beandog | cant you force it to only manually update fulltext indices? |
| 21:32.50 | brasto | fulltext indexes use an algorithm to match a keyword array against an array of texts, and automatically sort by relevancy |
| 21:32.52 | jsmith | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/index-merge-optimization.html |
| 21:32.59 | jsmith | Ah, looks like maybe 5.0 is better in that regard. |
| 21:33.19 | beandog | right, but theyre also only for text columns |
| 21:33.19 | jsmith | Prior to MySQL 5, it would only use one index per query. |
| 21:33.28 | beandog | and youd never use one unless you know what youre doing. |
| 21:33.31 | brasto | that's not talking about fulltext searches, which, again, are a whole other kind of search |
| 21:33.42 | jsmith | mindjuju: It looks like any other O'Reilly book :-) |
| 21:33.52 | jsmith | No, that's for *any* column type. |
| 21:33.57 | mindjuju | :) -- just struck me as funny |
| 21:34.11 | mindjuju | racing stripes down the spine of the book, to give it that "speedy" look |
| 21:34.16 | jsmith | Despite the amount of MySQL bashing I do in here, I *have* used MySQL to manage a *lot* of data |
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| 21:34.45 | jsmith | You know, the kind of tables that take 12 days to fix using myisamchk |
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| 21:35.41 | beandog | 12 days? freak. |
| 21:41.54 | jsmith | beandog: Yup. Lesson learned: never let your engineering department put 300 million rows in a single MySQL table, and then do an unclean shutdown |
| 21:42.16 | mindjuju | wow |
| 21:42.18 | beandog | Oo |
| 21:47.03 | _psychic_ | We always forget that one over here. |
| 21:49.01 | Utah_Dave | ouch |
| 21:49.16 | mindjuju | hey _psychic_ i reviewed the irc chat log and saw that you were lamenting that the lunch was going to be in SLC, but didn't see if you said you were going or not |
| 21:49.18 | mindjuju | can you? |
| 21:49.32 | _psychic_ | I can't do lunch up there, no. |
| 21:49.39 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 21:49.55 | mindjuju | i'll keep you posted on the next time we have one southside |
| 21:50.07 | drip | yal? |
| 21:50.11 | drip | yet another lunch? |
| 21:50.23 | brasto | btw, a geek is a person who eats the heads off of live chickens |
| 21:50.30 | mindjuju | heya drip! |
| 21:50.35 | drip | howdy howdy |
| 21:50.36 | mindjuju | geek lunch - kyoto resturant |
| 21:50.43 | mindjuju | 1/12/07 - 1p |
| 21:50.43 | optikal | BTW, Free Seminar on Jan 30th for Datacenter Design/Management/etc ... http://www.graybar.com/dataseminar/ |
| 21:50.51 | drip | ah.. bad day for me. |
| 21:51.06 | mindjuju | bummer! |
| 21:51.13 | fungus | brasto: filemtime(), filectime(), and fileatime() |
| 21:51.19 | drip | just about to put my project into production at that point. |
| 21:55.18 | fungus | optikal: thx, i'm registering now |
| 21:55.29 | optikal | I just did~ |
| 21:55.37 | jsmith | optikal: In other words, it's a "Use APC InfrastruXure for your data center" seminar |
| 21:56.02 | jsmith | Sorry, but graybar doesn't have a clue on how to manage a data center |
| 21:57.47 | brasto | thank you fungus, i'll read up on those. |
| 21:57.50 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: I think I'd come sometime if it was down this way |
| 21:58.21 | mindjuju | _psychic_ would you go if it were in AF again? |
| 21:58.38 | _psychic_ | maybe |
| 21:58.44 | _psychic_ | kinda depends on the day |
| 21:58.57 | fungus | jsmith: What's wrong with graybar? |
| 21:58.59 | mindjuju | brasto, is AF close enough that you'd go? |
| 21:59.09 | brasto | AF is in Utah County |
| 21:59.24 | mindjuju | ah, who knew? |
| 21:59.43 | brasto | I may go to any other one, but Utah County is best for me |
| 22:00.04 | mindjuju | well, we do try to spread them out so that as many people as possible can go |
| 22:00.26 | mindjuju | THOUGH... i was just thinking, wouldn't it be fun to have a Geek Karoke (sp) |
| 22:00.43 | brasto | I understand mindjuju |
| 22:01.02 | brasto | it is good to have them in different places, and to meet different people |
| 22:01.39 | brasto | especially if you have tetherball skills to show off |
| 22:03.08 | brasto | brasto has seen the notorious liger |
| 22:03.31 | mindjuju | hey brasto, i'm a master of Rex Kwon Do - No more flying solo! |
| 22:03.40 | brasto | lol |
| 22:04.59 | _psychic_ | There's a liger at the bean museum I think... |
| 22:05.10 | mindjuju | i think it is, was there a couple years back |
| 22:22.08 | olds | how was lunch? |
| 22:22.35 | olds | or wait |
| 22:22.35 | olds | that's next week |
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| 22:31.21 | _psychic_ | http://www.php-mag.net/ vote it up |
| 22:31.24 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 22:37.14 | beandog | wps: ping |
| 22:37.57 | wps | yes? |
| 22:38.11 | beandog | does that antenna you mentioend on plug pick up uhf / vhf as well? |
| 22:38.15 | beandog | and hdtv signals? |
| 22:38.52 | wps | just UHF (HD ad SD) |
| 22:39.06 | beandog | how many channels total do you pick up/ |
| 22:39.23 | wps | oops, I mean VHF |
| 22:39.29 | wps | wait… ah! |
| 22:39.32 | wps | I'm confused |
| 22:39.33 | wps | :( |
| 22:39.58 | mindjuju | no, i think your right, VHF |
| 22:40.21 | mindjuju | UHF was used for channels like above 15 a long time ago, i don't think its really used anymore |
| 22:40.46 | wps | this is what I pick up: |
| 22:40.51 | wps | http://anavidesign.com/temp/channels.png |
| 22:41.14 | beandog | huh |
| 22:41.16 | beandog | intresting. |
| 22:41.18 | wps | the ones with an "-HD" next to them come in high def |
| 22:42.07 | wps | 2.1, 4.1, 5.1 (different now then that list), 7.2, 11.1, and 13.2 |
| 22:42.22 | wps | most of 5.1 is HD, a good chunk of 4.1 is, and some of 2.1 is |
| 22:42.41 | wps | (ie: even though the channel is an HD channel, not all of the shows are recorded/produced in HD) |
| 22:44.18 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:45.46 | beandog | too bad that one store isnt open later. |
| 22:45.50 | beandog | Id like to get one this weekend. |
| 22:47.15 | beandog | wps: so the outdoor ones are lots better, I take it? |
| 22:47.56 | wps | yes, very much so |
| 22:48.06 | wps | the small, set top, indoor ones don't do very good at all |
| 22:48.09 | wps | mine is in my attic |
| 22:48.44 | beandog | I dunno how I could mount one outside without killing myself |
| 22:49.40 | wps | mine was really easy to mount in the attic |
| 22:49.48 | wps | I just suspended it between rafters with string |
| 22:53.28 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:56.58 | beandog | is it pretty big? |
| 23:23.03 | beandog | hmm, I guess vacumming a table and adding a fkey at the same time probably wasnt a good idea. |
| 23:28.38 | swb | trying to call an oracle stored procedure with php, and I have code that worked, but it doesn't work when I try to put it into a function... :-| |
| 23:29.16 | swb | error is: Can't find variable for parameter in /path/to/file on line xx |
| 23:29.20 | swb | bleh |
| 23:40.30 | olds | pastebin |
| 23:45.53 | mindjuju | ah Adobe Pagemaker 6.5, how I love you! |
| 23:49.34 | swb | olds: http://pastebin.com/852352 |
| 23:52.16 | tierra | Anyone have a newer iBook (at least G4 with at least 10.3) or MacBook I could borrow/rent for a couple days somewhere between the 9th and the 12th? :) |
| 23:52.32 | olds | tierra: com4 does |
| 23:52.39 | olds | I don't know if he'd rent it to ya |
| 23:52.50 | tierra | psh, com4 doesn't trust me ;) |
| 23:53.15 | tierra | na, I'll have to ask him if he's not around and doesn't see this |
| 23:53.42 | olds | he's on jabber |
