| 00:01.07 | thebigdog | ~call dataw0lf |
| 00:01.09 | jbot | ACTION looks around and then screams out dataw0lf as loudly as possible |
| 00:02.02 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: what you doing Friday? |
| 00:02.24 | thebigdog | taking care of son...wife is shopping |
| 00:02.29 | thebigdog | vacation really |
| 00:02.36 | thebigdog | vacation = baby sitting |
| 00:02.50 | beandog | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish |
| 00:02.53 | beandog | oh man |
| 00:02.56 | beandog | so funny |
| 00:03.57 | beandog | Blogroll: A long list of links that nobody will ever click on. Bloggers not only link to their friends and fellow bloggers, but their eventual goal is to link to every linkable document on the Internet. |
| 00:04.21 | beandog | Podcast: Someone had the revolutionary idea of taking a compressed audio file and putting it online. Yeah, doesn't sound so sexy when I describe it for what it is, does it you morons? It would have been a great idea if streaming audio wasn't already around for over a decade before the word "podcast" entered the lexicon. |
| 00:05.41 | thebigdog | Emo: An abbreviation for loser. Emo is the new goth, except goths are still around, so it's becoming almost unbearable. |
| 00:05.43 | atoponce | beandog: nice |
| 00:06.55 | atoponce | that guy drives me nuts though |
| 00:07.07 | atoponce | i've been to his site before. *very* opinionated |
| 00:08.26 | beandog | I know |
| 00:08.29 | beandog | its good for a laugh when you really need one though |
| 00:09.35 | Lone_Wanderer | You realize it's mostly farcical, right? |
| 00:10.33 | mindjuju | atoponce, i told dataw0lf that you wanted to tagteam with him when we talk enviroment next |
| 00:10.38 | mindjuju | i think we are going to do a blog somewhere |
| 00:10.45 | atoponce | mindjuju: :) |
| 00:10.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Datawolf vs. The World |
| 00:10.54 | mindjuju | somebody will throw out a topic and well go pro / con on it |
| 00:10.56 | atoponce | Lone_Wanderer: i'm not so sure |
| 00:11.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Reminds me of a comic I saw once - "The Incredible Hulk vs. EVERYONE" |
| 00:11.16 | beandog | lol |
| 00:11.20 | beandog | the incredile hulk rules |
| 00:11.28 | atoponce | i can take any stance on about just any topic. i'm not good at it, but it's fun! :) |
| 00:11.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm pretty sure he won ;) |
| 00:11.58 | atoponce | i do it with my family all the time, and it drives them nuts |
| 00:12.01 | atoponce | for example: |
| 00:12.34 | atoponce | when did the millenium start? 2000? 2001? some other year, because of julian calendar innaccuracies? |
| 00:13.04 | Lone_Wanderer | 2001 |
| 00:14.10 | atoponce | agreed. when you start counting, you start with 1, not 0, so why is 2000 different? |
| 00:14.31 | atoponce | 1-100: first century. 101-200: second ... 1901-2000 20th |
| 00:14.45 | Lone_Wanderer | exactly |
| 00:17.05 | mindjuju | not a whole lot of debate going on there on that topic |
| 00:17.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean |
| 00:17.16 | mindjuju | i'm curious to see what ya'll think though, about flat tax |
| 00:17.22 | Lone_Wanderer | NO YOU ARE WRONG THE MILL...zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 00:17.24 | atoponce | no, but all my family thinks it started on 2000 |
| 00:17.47 | mindjuju | i guess we can get Prince on here and tell him to release 1999 |
| 00:17.48 | atoponce | and we debated it over thanksgiving dinner. :) |
| 00:17.51 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what I think about debating that topic. |
| 00:26.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Mmmm, that was a good lunch. |
| 00:26.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Now I want to sleep. |
| 00:34.52 | Lone_Wanderer | http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/cpg/248606371.html - asking for "A ninja at cutting edge Web 2.0 development" |
| 00:35.04 | Lone_Wanderer | So I'm responding with an email full of references to realultimatepower.net |
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| 15:32.22 | dataw0lf | atoponce: regarding debate: I only argue points that I have a strong opinion about. Unless I'm trolling. |
| 15:32.29 | dataw0lf | Which, granted, is a lot of the time. |
| 15:33.00 | dataw0lf | the environment, for example; I'd be lyin' if I said I really cared about the environment. |
| 15:33.35 | dataw0lf | turn earth into a real life Coruscant, is what I say. Course, leave a couple mountains for snowboarding, and a couple rivers for skinny dipping and fly fishing. |
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| 15:38.00 | atoponce | dataw0lf: yeah. for the most part, i'm pretty heavily opinionated, and argue only what i feel passionate about, which is a lot |
| 15:38.16 | atoponce | but it's fun to create the controversy. |
| 15:38.36 | atoponce | my family are byu fans, so when i go over, i root for the uofu |
| 15:38.55 | atoponce | my in-laws are uofu fans, so i root for the y there |
| 15:39.26 | atoponce | it's mainly all for fun and game: just to get people all riled up |
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| 15:41.42 | dataw0lf | atoponce: yup, same here. |
| 15:42.03 | dataw0lf | unless it's religion, evolution, or the iraqi war, which I have extremely strong opinions about. |
| 15:42.28 | dataw0lf | oh, thanks for reminding me beandog. |
| 15:42.29 | dataw0lf | And Debian. |
| 15:42.41 | dataw0lf | Gentoo sucks. |
| 15:44.02 | dataw0lf | Gentoo is useless in a production environment. |
| 15:51.05 | dataw0lf | too tired to argue it. |
| 15:55.09 | atoponce | lazy channel |
| 15:55.56 | dataw0lf | I'm never too tired to argue the Iraqi War.... |
| 15:56.11 | dataw0lf | but we'd have to create a new channel for that. |
| 15:58.31 | atoponce | <?php while(true){bush-=bush;) ?> # how's that? :) |
| 15:58.49 | atoponce | s/bush/$bush/g |
| 15:59.12 | atoponce | s/;)/;}/ |
| 15:59.27 | atoponce | jbot_: wake up |
| 15:59.39 | atoponce | meh |
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| 16:04.37 | dataw0lf | http://bash.org/?714662 |
| 16:35.22 | dataw0lf | dude, the mayor of Denver rocks. |
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| 17:08.44 | beandog | huzzah |
| 17:08.48 | thebigdog | i got to the new year |
| 17:08.52 | thebigdog | im lovin it |
| 17:08.59 | beandog | well I get back friday |
| 17:09.03 | beandog | and dont have work til tuesday |
| 17:09.17 | thebigdog | going to rip some dvds and get the musik colllection up to par |
| 17:09.18 | beandog | is gonna be niiice |
| 17:09.31 | beandog | I might go to disneyland |
| 17:09.36 | thebigdog | nice |
| 17:09.41 | drip | muahahaha |
| 17:10.01 | drip | get back to work thebigdog |
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| 17:21.17 | beandog | its too quiet in here. |
| 17:21.21 | beandog | maybe Im just anxious. |
| 17:21.28 | swb | shhhhhhhh, we're hunting wabbits |
| 17:21.43 | beandog | hmm |
| 17:22.04 | swb | http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/BunnyHunt/ |
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| 17:22.17 | swb | poor bunnies! |
| 17:22.25 | dataw0lf | optikal: Flight 4452, 9:10 am, Tomorrow |
| 17:23.08 | optikal | dataw0lf: sweet |
| 17:23.26 | beandog | whats a few more |
| 17:26.53 | thebigdog | same |
| 17:27.01 | thebigdog | make sure you get fearless beandog |
| 17:27.06 | beandog | fearless? |
| 17:27.07 | beandog | wazzat |
| 17:27.13 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 17:27.18 | thebigdog | jet li fearless |
| 17:27.23 | beandog | oh |
| 17:27.24 | beandog | havent seen it yet |
| 17:27.28 | beandog | which reminds me, anyone seen eragon? |
| 17:27.37 | thebigdog | nope not year |
| 17:27.39 | thebigdog | yet |
| 17:27.58 | thebigdog | anyone rip dvds on linux here? |
| 17:28.03 | beandog | yah |
| 17:28.03 | Black_Chaos | I've seen eragon |
| 17:28.07 | beandog | thebigdog: whats up |
| 17:28.16 | beandog | Black_Chaos: any good? |
| 17:28.23 | Black_Chaos | I liked it |
| 17:28.27 | thebigdog | just wondering what people use to do it? i have been using mcoder |
| 17:28.32 | beandog | mencoder |
| 17:28.34 | thebigdog | mencoder |
| 17:28.37 | beandog | dvdrip, ogmrip, transcode |
| 17:28.39 | Black_Chaos | but I haven't read the book and I hear that makes the difference |
| 17:28.46 | beandog | mencoder is easiest though |
| 17:29.03 | thebigdog | i like using it...i have been using acidrip for a front end |
| 17:29.10 | beandog | acidrip is good |
| 17:29.14 | thebigdog | i have looked at dvdrip |
| 17:30.09 | thebigdog | beandog what do you rip too avi? |
| 17:30.21 | beandog | matroska |
| 17:30.23 | beandog | nothing but |
| 17:30.31 | beandog | avi is deprecated |
| 17:30.38 | thebigdog | does windows support that? |
| 17:30.47 | beandog | yah, with third party tools |
| 17:30.51 | beandog | If you use VLC on Windows youll be good. |
| 17:31.21 | thebigdog | ill have to check it out then |
| 17:31.29 | thebigdog | any other goodies? |
| 17:31.34 | beandog | theres something called core codec pack |
| 17:32.13 | beandog | or something |
| 17:32.20 | beandog | I dunno anything about multimedia on windows, sorry |
| 17:32.39 | thebigdog | i just want to be able to play some at work...with divx player if i can |
| 17:33.14 | beandog | Well, VLC should be able to play just about anything you throw at it. |
| 17:33.22 | beandog | If youre open to the idea of 3rd party programs. |
| 17:33.31 | thebigdog | that is fine...now issues there |
| 17:33.31 | beandog | But, ripping to AVI is fine. |
| 17:33.41 | beandog | Im just extremely opinionated in favor of Matroska. :) |
| 17:38.30 | thebigdog | it looks nice |
| 17:38.43 | thebigdog | i just never looked at it for windows stuff |
| 17:44.04 | beandog | Matroska is an advanced container format. |
| 17:44.11 | beandog | AVI|WMV|MKV|QT |
| 17:44.14 | beandog | all container formats |
| 17:44.26 | beandog | Matroska lets you cram stuff in there like chapters, dvd menus |
| 17:44.28 | beandog | attachments |
| 17:44.30 | beandog | whatever. |
| 17:44.40 | beandog | And you can use it for pretty mucy any audio / video codec combination. |
| 17:44.48 | thebigdog | sweet |
| 17:44.49 | beandog | So it'll take Theora + AAC for example. |
| 17:45.00 | beandog | while AVI is usually just mpeg{1,2,4} |
| 17:45.08 | beandog | and a few audio codecs. |
| 17:50.47 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 17:51.14 | macnewbold | ~brownie |
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| 18:01.49 | macnewbold | ~cake |
| 18:01.56 | jbot | from memory, cake is all gone :( |
| 18:02.06 | Lone_Wanderer | ~doughnuts |
| 18:03.32 | macnewbold | ~seen brasto |
| 18:04.05 | jbot | brasto is currently on #uphpu (41m 59s), last said: 'yep, prob'ly firefox'. |
| 18:04.35 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot_: doughnuts are not good for LW's diabetic friend |
| 18:05.07 | dataw0lf | ~cookie dataw0lf |
| 18:06.58 | dataw0lf | thanks for reminding me, jbot_ |
| 18:07.12 | dataw0lf | but I wanted a COOKIE! |
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| 18:16.22 | dataw0lf | so I finally saw the new King Kong like a week ago. |
| 18:16.27 | dataw0lf | 'twas awesome. |
| 18:16.40 | swb | have you seen Casino Royale? |
| 18:16.57 | dataw0lf | omg jea. |
| 18:17.05 | dataw0lf | greatest bond EVAR |
| 18:17.14 | swb | :) |
| 18:17.35 | Lone_Wanderer | greatest bond GIRL ever. |
| 18:17.44 | dataw0lf | true that too |
| 18:17.45 | Lone_Wanderer | mmmm, Eva Green |
| 18:17.49 | dataw0lf | Daniel Craig though. Dang. |
| 18:17.53 | dataw0lf | He was awesome. |
| 18:17.54 | swb | Daniel Craig is hot |
| 18:17.59 | dataw0lf | yea he is. |
| 18:18.14 | dataw0lf | pshaw! |
| 18:18.20 | dataw0lf | dude! |
| 18:18.24 | dataw0lf | he rocks the house! |
| 18:18.40 | dataw0lf | Brad Pitt is hot too |
| 18:18.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I vote for George Clooney |
| 18:18.52 | swb | I vote for Sean Connery |
| 18:18.57 | dataw0lf | yea George Clooney is hot too |
| 18:18.59 | dataw0lf | and Sean Connery |
| 18:19.13 | Lone_Wanderer | THEY ARE ALL HOT! |
| 18:19.20 | swb | lol |
| 18:19.26 | macnewbold | okay, too much gayness goin on |
| 18:19.27 | Lone_Wanderer | dangit. we need to hire a full-time billing monkey. |
| 18:19.31 | swb | hey |
| 18:19.41 | dataw0lf | it's not gay to call guys hot. |
| 18:19.49 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not gay, it's an honest acknowledgement of someone's attractiveness. |
| 18:19.50 | macnewbold | swb is the only one in here I think who is qualified to make a good decision |
| 18:20.14 | dataw0lf | I'm comfortable enough in my sexuality to acknowledge that a male is hot. |
| 18:20.23 | dataw0lf | therefore, it's decidedly ungay. |
| 18:20.29 | dataw0lf | if you want to see gay, look at optikal. |
| 18:20.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Decidedly. |
| 18:20.34 | macnewbold | I think finding other guys attractive is a bit gay |
| 18:20.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Indubitably. |
| 18:20.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Is optikal gay? |
| 18:20.52 | macnewbold | thinking they'd be attractive to women would be a different story |
| 18:21.01 | dataw0lf | I'm recognizing that they're attractive |
| 18:21.07 | dataw0lf | I, personally, am not attracted to them. |
| 18:21.08 | Lone_Wanderer | There's a difference between being attracted to them and recognizing their attractiveness. |
| 18:21.59 | Lone_Wanderer | OMG LESBIAN! |
| 18:22.06 | dataw0lf | omg u r gay |
| 18:22.14 | swb | lol |
| 18:22.14 | brasto | nah, other males are just simply not attractive |
| 18:22.35 | swb | dataw0lf and Lone_Wanderer are right |
| 18:22.40 | dataw0lf | you apparently have never seen pictures of ME, sir! |
| 18:22.42 | Lone_Wanderer | So you honestly can't recognize that some guys are ugly and others are handsome? |
| 18:22.47 | cyco|w | dw is pretty hot.. |
| 18:23.06 | brasto | dw? in the PBS Arthur cartoons? |
| 18:23.12 | dataw0lf | s/pretty/SUPAR |
| 18:23.18 | brasto | she's a bit young... |
| 18:23.20 | cyco|w | nope.. dataw0lf |
| 18:23.21 | dataw0lf | as in dee dub |
| 18:23.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I suspect that if I were to show you a picture of a meth addict whose ribs were showing, you'd be able to recognize that he is not attractive |
| 18:24.01 | cyco|w | what if he was still? |
| 18:24.04 | dataw0lf | ok, ok, can we all agree that Steve Buscemi is physically unattractive? |
| 18:24.11 | cyco|w | here here |
| 18:24.18 | cyco|w | yes you do |
| 18:24.23 | dataw0lf | Steve Buscemi rocks. |
| 18:24.25 | cyco|w | trust me |
| 18:24.51 | cyco|w | http://imdb.com/name/nm0000114/ |
| 18:24.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I wouldn't say he's hideous but he's definitely not up there with any of the cast of Ocean's Eleven |
| 18:25.18 | dataw0lf | dude, he's a genius. |
| 18:25.48 | cyco|w | and Matthew McConaughey is hot.. |
| 18:26.24 | dataw0lf | yea, in Dazed and Confused |
| 18:26.45 | cyco|w | in sahara |
| 18:26.55 | cyco|w | he was pretty good in dazed and confused |
| 18:27.21 | brasto | last i checked, this was a PHP UG, not an Attractive Male Actors UG... |
| 18:27.35 | cyco|w | it darn well should be! |
| 18:27.40 | dataw0lf | "That's what I love about those high school girls, man... I get older, they stay the same age. Yes they do." |
| 18:27.45 | Lone_Wanderer | If any of us were attractive male actors... |
| 18:27.47 | dataw0lf | rol |
| 18:28.43 | dataw0lf | hey, let's work on some PHP code that disseminates images of male faces and based on scientific criteria, rate them whether they're hot or not. |
| 18:28.52 | cyco|w | sweet |
| 18:28.53 | dataw0lf | c'mon brasto! |
| 18:29.05 | Lone_Wanderer | you can actually do that |
| 18:29.09 | thebigdog | what is the char # for ^M? |
| 18:29.10 | dataw0lf | I know you can. |
| 18:29.21 | Lone_Wanderer | if you can measure the width of their face, the distance between eyes, etc. |
| 18:29.38 | Lone_Wanderer | and see how closely certain ratios conform to the golden mean |
| 18:29.57 | dataw0lf | height of cheek bones. |
| 18:30.04 | dataw0lf | lips. |
| 18:30.07 | cyco|w | tan of skin |
| 18:30.08 | dataw0lf | nose. |
| 18:30.38 | cyco|w | oh man.. i'm so superficial.. |
| 18:31.13 | dataw0lf | http://stderr.ws/dw2.jpg or we can just compare it to that picture, and, like, totally see how close it comes, and then give it a value based on the difference. |
| 18:31.45 | dataw0lf | because, you know, "golden mean", in french, is, uh, "dataw0lf" |
| 18:31.50 | Lone_Wanderer | No ankh tattoo: -5 points |
| 18:32.01 | dataw0lf | psh, more like -30 |
| 18:32.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Coy espression: +10 points |
| 18:32.11 | Lone_Wanderer | expression* |
| 18:32.14 | brasto | ok,lol |
| 18:32.19 | brasto | not |
| 18:32.28 | dataw0lf | you didn't lol? |
| 18:32.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Your points and mine are like F and C. |
| 18:32.36 | brasto | i lol'd |
| 18:32.41 | Lone_Wanderer | fahrenheit and celcius, that is. |
| 18:32.56 | cyco|w | what about these fellows? http://woodenpickle.com/images/nerds.jpg |
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| 18:33.11 | Lone_Wanderer | The guy in the middle has potential. |
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| 18:33.20 | Lone_Wanderer | The other two are hopeless. |
| 18:33.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Which one's you? ;) |
| 18:33.33 | dataw0lf | the one on the left is really hawt. |
| 18:33.37 | dataw0lf | none of them are cyco |
| 18:33.45 | cyco|w | another angle of the one in the middle: http://woodenpickle.com/images/synic.jpg |
| 18:33.52 | dataw0lf | left = me, middle = synic |
| 18:34.08 | dataw0lf | right is scorche |
| 18:34.13 | cyco|w | ooh, now there's a hot one http://woodenpickle.com/images/bobnkelsey_small.jpg |
| 18:34.25 | cyco|w | and the guy in it isn't bad either.. |
| 18:34.33 | dataw0lf | what what WHAT? |
| 18:34.37 | dataw0lf | when did you guys get married? |
| 18:34.50 | cyco|w | oh yeah, gee man.. it was back in august.. |
| 18:34.57 | cyco|w | the 25th to be exact.. |
| 18:35.01 | cyco|w | bobandkelsey.com |
| 18:35.03 | dataw0lf | crikey! I wasn't even invited! |
| 18:35.25 | cyco|w | uh, yeah.. did i have an address for yeh? |
| 18:35.36 | dataw0lf | guess not. |
| 18:36.00 | dataw0lf | dang I had no idea |
| 18:36.02 | dataw0lf | well congrats |
| 18:36.12 | dataw0lf | kelsey rocks. |
| 18:36.28 | cyco|w | yeah thanks man... i did post it in the channels a few times.. sorry you didn't get it man.. |
| 18:36.33 | cyco|w | she does.. |
| 18:36.42 | dataw0lf | yea, I wasn't around in August. |
| 18:37.14 | dataw0lf | I'll be in SLC tomorrow though |
| 18:37.30 | cyco|w | sweet.. i'll be workin in the morn but off by around 2 hopefully.. |
| 18:37.52 | Lone_Wanderer | wait, cyco is married to a guy? |
| 18:38.02 | Lone_Wanderer | or is Kelsey a girl's name? |
| 18:38.06 | cyco|w | might have to reterminate the ds3 cables though.. the guys that installed them sucked.. |
| 18:38.21 | cyco|w | yeah |
| 18:38.25 | cyco|w | there ya go |
| 18:38.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Dude. |
| 18:38.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Your beard is by far the coolest beard in the universe. |
| 18:39.03 | cyco|w | thanks man.. it was cooler with the lightning bolt sideburns, but it's still pretty cool i guess.. |
| 18:40.19 | cyco|w | oh step back son.. |
| 18:40.37 | cyco|w | anytime you want to learn about text processing.. just come on down.. |
| 18:40.54 | dataw0lf | cyco|w: 775-530-1917 is my new number. |
| 18:41.00 | Lone_Wanderer | The files in question aren't really that complex |
| 18:41.26 | Lone_Wanderer | They're mostly CSV's with DID information in them |
| 18:41.42 | cyco|w | dataw0lf: cool.. i'll save it.. |
| 18:41.57 | dataw0lf | yea, cyco's beard is awesome. |
| 18:41.59 | cyco|w | Lone_Wanderer: alright.. |
| 18:42.20 | Lone_Wanderer | So the hardest part is going to be to have the software make good guesses about what means what |
| 18:46.10 | brasto | dataw0lf, are your initials JS? |
| 18:46.21 | cyco|w | http://www.woodenpickle.com/heman/ |
| 18:46.53 | dataw0lf | brasto: Yes. |
| 18:46.53 | cyco|w | his initials are js |
| 18:47.32 | brasto | ok, i think i've matched your name in the lists with your irc nick. |
| 18:48.02 | brasto | my initials are bs - i don't use bs to manipulate my DOM... |
| 18:48.11 | dataw0lf | Joshua Simpson (std3rr@gmail.com / digitalsuicide@gmail.com) == dataw0lf |
| 18:48.30 | brasto | that comment was for Lone_Wanderer , lol |
| 18:48.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Well if you're a sub then that would make sense. |
| 18:49.37 | dataw0lf | thanks for pointing that out. |
| 18:49.40 | brasto | yea dataw0lf , i didn't want to mention your real name in irc since it's logged and you might not want it said. I was carefull about it for that reason |
| 18:50.09 | dataw0lf | oh, pretty much everyone knows le dataw0lf. it's not a nick I use for being obscure and hidden. |
| 18:50.31 | brasto | dataw0lf, == || === ? |
| 18:50.37 | brasto | jk |
| 18:51.47 | dataw0lf | type(dataw0lf) is 'Joshua Simpson' |
| 18:54.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay I give up. Where in the manual is the CSV function stuff hidden? |
| 18:55.09 | dataw0lf | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.m-parsecommadelimited.php |
| 18:55.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Thank you sir. |
| 18:55.28 | dataw0lf | np |
| 18:56.16 | dataw0lf | sorry, that's wrong |
| 18:56.19 | dataw0lf | http://us3.php.net/fgetcsv |
| 18:56.27 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, much better |
| 18:56.44 | Lone_Wanderer | hiding in the filesystem part. makes sense I guess. |
| 18:58.43 | dataw0lf | dude, seriously, WebTrends is the worst product ever. |
| 18:58.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Worst ever? |
| 18:59.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Worse than the science kit for kids that came with radioactive materials and encouraged them to play with them? |
| 19:00.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Or just the worst web product ever? I'd buy that. |
| 19:00.47 | dataw0lf | I have a chemical burn on my inner thigh from my chemistry set when I was a kid |
| 19:00.54 | cyco|w | sweet |
| 19:01.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I have a scar on my forehead from where I was dropped on my head as a kid. |
| 19:01.59 | dataw0lf | I have scars all over my head |
| 19:02.02 | Lone_Wanderer | From what? |
| 19:02.04 | dataw0lf | some of which I can't remember receiving. makes sense, I suppose. |
| 19:02.21 | Lone_Wanderer | combat? |
| 19:02.39 | dataw0lf | fights, falling, skateboarding |
| 19:02.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Heh, the guy who I sent the "I flip out and kill people. I mean make web pages." email to wants me to work for him now. |
| 19:03.24 | dataw0lf | I have a scar above my left ear when I was thrown to the ground from an explosion and my kevlar strap's metal part hit it. |
| 19:04.14 | dataw0lf | I wasn't under fire at the time, but I guess that classifies as combat, kinda. |
| 19:04.29 | Lone_Wanderer | what was the explosion from? |
| 19:04.50 | dataw0lf | car bomb |
| 19:04.52 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 19:05.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Iraq or Afghanistan? |
| 19:05.08 | dataw0lf | Iraq. |
| 19:05.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I heard someone on the Dianne Rh...however you spell her last name show this morning saying that immediately pulling all troops out of Iraq is the best long-term solution for both the US and the region |
| 19:06.27 | cyco|w | alright.. that's my queue.. later boys.. going to lunch.. |
| 19:06.31 | Lone_Wanderer | cue |
| 19:06.34 | Lone_Wanderer | a queue is a line |
| 19:06.38 | Lone_Wanderer | have a good lunch! |
| 19:07.30 | cyco|w | good call man.. alright.. later.. |
| 19:08.50 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: I've been saying that for years. |
| 19:08.55 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 19:08.57 | Lone_Wanderer | she convinced me |
| 19:09.19 | Lone_Wanderer | brb, need to find out who's coming in for an interview in an hour |
| 19:09.50 | herlo | Lone_Wanderer: I hate the Diane Rhem show, her voice just kills me. and she talks way too slow |
| 19:10.12 | herlo | It's because she had throat surgery I know, but it's too hard to listen too, IMO |
| 19:10.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, she's got some disease that makes it impossible to talk without surgery |
| 19:10.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought so too at first but I got used to it eventually. |
| 19:10.36 | dataw0lf | I've been pretty much right about every prediction I've made about the iraqi war, and republicans still don't listen to me. |
| 19:10.58 | dataw0lf | I'm just waiting for the draft if we stay in so I can say I told you so on a real big one. |
| 19:11.03 | herlo | Lone_Wanderer: I've tried several time |
| 19:11.07 | herlo | s |
| 19:11.29 | Lone_Wanderer | And when I get back I want to find out if you think that a draft would be good for the military, DW |
| 19:12.01 | dataw0lf | good for the country or good for the military? |
| 19:12.13 | dataw0lf | military wise, they're bleeding right now, any boost of troops will be helpful. |
| 19:12.37 | dataw0lf | long-term, probably not. |
| 19:13.00 | dataw0lf | but, morale is extremely low, and has been for a while, so I doubt if it will affect it as much as you think. |
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| 19:15.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Alvaro doesn't hang out in here does he? |
| 19:15.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I heard that the draft was good for the military and for the country in general because it randomly selected people and made them join the military |
| 19:16.26 | macnewbold | and that's good how? |
| 19:16.38 | Lone_Wanderer | so the military got an infusion of people from a cross-section that it wouldn't have otherwise, bringing a wider variety of viewpoints and experiences, and the country ended up with people with military experience in positions that it wouldn't have otherwise |
| 19:18.12 | dataw0lf | well, as soon as they go over there and find out they don't have enough equipment to armor the existing troop base, let alone them, I doubt if their cultural variety will be of much use when they're hiding behind sandbags |
| 19:19.18 | dataw0lf | I mean, to do anything in Iraq, we're going to have to increase our troop base considerably. And very soon. Otherwise, you're going to see a huge increase in troop deaths. |
| 19:19.30 | dataw0lf | and civilian deaths, I'm sure. |
| 19:20.48 | dataw0lf | I just hope Bush and his administration are acclimating to warm weather. |
| 19:21.03 | dataw0lf | Cuz I think they're headed to Hell. |
| 19:22.34 | dataw0lf | I'm about one more friend's death away from personally wringing Bush and Iraqi War supporters necks. |
| 19:23.39 | dataw0lf | anyways |
| 19:24.05 | dataw0lf | does anyone know how well cookie / session logging works in Apache? |
| 19:24.08 | thebigdog | beandog you around? |
| 19:24.16 | beandog | oy |
| 19:24.19 | Lone_Wanderer | So no Alvaro huh? Oh well. |
| 19:24.40 | thebigdog | beandog, when you use ogmrip u use matroska target container? |
| 19:24.45 | beandog | yah |
| 19:25.01 | thebigdog | when i do that i get a container error |
| 19:25.36 | thebigdog | what video do you use with matroska? |
| 19:25.37 | beandog | Hmm |
| 19:25.45 | beandog | just lavc |
| 19:25.49 | thebigdog | k |
| 19:26.03 | beandog | do you have mkvtoolnix installed |
| 19:26.22 | thebigdog | let me check |
| 19:27.20 | thebigdog | installing now |
| 19:27.41 | beandog | that wasnt installed? |
| 19:27.42 | beandog | hmm |
| 19:27.51 | beandog | Thats odd. |
| 19:27.54 | thebigdog | nope, but it gave me the option to use it |
| 19:28.12 | beandog | youre on gentoo right |
| 19:28.15 | thebigdog | is this correct for .htaccess php_value display_errors 1 |
| 19:28.19 | thebigdog | beandog, yep |
| 19:28.25 | beandog | Hmm |
| 19:28.31 | beandog | that should have been a dep |
| 19:29.26 | beandog | oh, yah, did you emerge it with the use flag |
| 19:30.26 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: yea, that's correct. |
| 19:30.33 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, thanks |
| 19:30.38 | dataw0lf | np |
| 19:30.46 | thebigdog | beandog, emerge ogmrip? with that useflag |
| 19:31.14 | thebigdog | beandog, nope...i need to do that |
| 19:31.42 | beandog | yah, add matroska |
| 19:32.18 | thebigdog | there we go |
| 19:33.05 | thebigdog | if php had a debugger that worked great...i would be in heaven |
| 19:37.37 | dataw0lf | I'm checking out gubed, I'll let you know |
| 19:38.36 | thebigdog | k |
| 19:39.33 | thebigdog | and when firebug works on linux i will be an angel or a god |
| 19:40.00 | dataw0lf | <3 firebug |
| 19:41.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I want to start a new monotheistic, mystic religion in which the human race (as a whole) is the god we worship. |
| 19:41.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Then again there's probably a religion out there like that already. |
| 19:42.10 | dataw0lf | you should look into Joshism. |
| 19:42.21 | thebigdog | in some places i am considered a god |
| 19:42.22 | Lone_Wanderer | It sounds snarky and amusing. |
| 19:42.30 | thebigdog | they rub my belly for good luck |
| 19:42.41 | beandog | sounds like a dog's life |
| 19:42.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Chim chiminey, chim chiminey, chim chim cheroo |
| 19:43.03 | thebigdog | or i double as buddah |
| 19:43.05 | Lone_Wanderer | good luck will rub off when I shakes 'ands with you |
| 19:43.20 | beandog | or blow me a kiss, and thats lucky too |
| 19:44.28 | dataw0lf | talk about the worst accent evar in a movie. |
| 19:44.42 | dataw0lf | Dick Van Dyke's cockney accent was unbelievable. |
| 19:45.28 | Lone_Wanderer | What do you mean? |
| 19:45.44 | dataw0lf | I mean it was a terrible accent. |
| 19:45.49 | Lone_Wanderer | just poorly done? |
| 19:45.57 | dataw0lf | yes. |
| 19:46.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I've only really heard it once and I could barely understand what the guy was saying. |
| 19:46.27 | dataw0lf | trust me. it's bad. |
| 19:46.49 | dataw0lf | ( 19:26 + beandog ) do you have mkvtoolnix installed |
| 19:46.49 | dataw0lf | ( 19:26 @thebigdog ) let me check |
| 19:46.49 | dataw0lf | ( 19:27 @thebigdog ) installing now |
| 19:46.49 | dataw0lf | ( 19:27 + beandog ) that wasnt installed? |
| 19:46.52 | Lone_Wanderer | But he called me gov'nu and winked a lot so I think he was giving me a better deal on my ticket than I was supposed to get. |
| 19:46.54 | cyco|w | eliza had the best cockney accent man.. |
| 19:46.56 | dataw0lf | jeez, sry. |
| 19:47.02 | dataw0lf | Van Dyke's attempt at a cockney accent was nonetheless widely ridiculed and is still frequently parodied. It is still often cited as one of the worst attempts at a British accent by an American actor,[1] a fact acknowledged with good humour by Van Dyke himself on the 2004 DVD release of the film. |
| 19:47.06 | beandog | dataw0lf: he didnt have the use flag enabled. |
| 19:47.12 | beandog | wasnt a bug. |
| 19:47.19 | dataw0lf | beandog: didn't mean to paste that. |
| 19:47.24 | beandog | ah |
| 19:47.25 | dataw0lf | 'jeez, sry' |
| 19:47.34 | thebigdog | lol |
| 19:48.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought about hanging out in the east end of London more often but I was afraid I wasn't working class enough for the guys there and that I'd end up getting mugged. |
| 19:48.51 | dataw0lf | I love hanging out with those guys. |
| 19:49.03 | Lone_Wanderer | When were you in London? |
| 19:49.16 | dataw0lf | they're always drunk. I tried to get them to get me into some sort of soccer fight, but they failed to do so. |
| 19:49.42 | dataw0lf | several times during 2002-2004 |
| 19:49.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I grew up in one of the genuinely bad neighborhoods in St. Paul and was fine, but the east end of London is rough in a different way that I didn't understand. |
| 19:50.35 | cyco|w | kinda like youngstown ohio |
| 19:50.39 | dataw0lf | I'm irish/italian from chicago, so I've seen similar areas. |
| 19:51.02 | beandog | I wanna move to England. |
| 19:51.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Are there Italian/Irish neighborhoods in Chicago? |
| 19:51.09 | beandog | Someday. |
| 19:51.36 | Lone_Wanderer | The place I grew up was mostly black and Hmong |
| 19:51.39 | dataw0lf | there are Italian/Greek neighborhoods and Irish neighborhoods, but italians and irish don't mix so well in chicago. |
| 19:52.00 | Lone_Wanderer | So you were (please don't kill me) kind of like a half-elf, only... not. |
| 19:52.14 | dataw0lf | yea, I grew up in a black neighborhood too, but it was bordered by an italian neighborhood on one side and some irish were scattered about. |
| 19:52.20 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 19:52.45 | beandog | Well, I guess Georgia is something like 50% african amercians |
| 19:52.52 | cyco|w | i was the only white kid in my second period class in oxnard ca in 9th grade.. |
| 19:52.54 | beandog | depends on which town you go to. |
| 19:53.07 | dataw0lf | there were like 3 other white kids at my high school |
| 19:53.13 | dataw0lf | two of them were mentally handicapped |
| 19:53.24 | cyco|w | from getting beat up all the time? |
| 19:53.39 | dataw0lf | most likely. |
| 19:54.05 | Lone_Wanderer | :p |
| 19:54.58 | dataw0lf | I had to claw my way through elementary school and the beginning of jr high, but I got a reputation in early 8th grade and then became 'cool', so it tapered off. |
| 19:55.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I got out after Jr. High |
| 19:55.30 | Lone_Wanderer | my parents sent me to a private school |
| 19:56.24 | Lone_Wanderer | and nothing was very serious before high school. you could get into a fight with kids and it wouldn't turn into a long-term grudge. |
| 19:57.27 | dataw0lf | not with me, you couldn't. |
| 19:57.35 | Lone_Wanderer | well, until recently I had the kind of personality where I'd ignore things until I blew up |
| 19:57.39 | dataw0lf | the reason in jr high I got a reputation was because this kid beat me up throughout sixth grade and then broke two of my fingers in 7th grade |
| 19:58.00 | dataw0lf | so after gaining muscle between 7th and 8th grade, I caught him on the first day of the school using the urinal. |
| 19:58.21 | Lone_Wanderer | so I got in a few fights in Jr. High when someone pushed me too far, and there wasn't much in the way of retribution for it |
| 19:58.40 | dataw0lf | I'm a hot head and I don't care whether I get beat up or not, so that has a tendency to turn bad. |
| 19:59.08 | dataw0lf | oh, I just beat the crap out of him and then smashed his head into the used urinal. |
| 19:59.13 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 20:00.13 | dataw0lf | I still remember the first fight I was in, in like 3rd grade. This kid stabbed my little sister in the back with a pencil, he was in 4th, she was in 1st |
| 20:00.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Does he still have both of his eyes? |
| 20:00.33 | dataw0lf | as I was fighting him outside of the school these high school kids were walking by and giving me pointers |
| 20:00.41 | Lone_Wanderer | lol awesome |
| 20:00.50 | dataw0lf | 'PUNCH HIM IN THE HEAD, NOT THE STOMACH!' |
| 20:01.30 | dataw0lf | then his older brother threw this unripened apricot later that day at me and lacerated my left eye pretty badly. |
| 20:01.43 | dataw0lf | so I don't have very good peripheral vision outta that eye |
| 20:01.44 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 20:01.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ouch |
| 20:04.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Uh oh. Just got an email from my old boss. |
| 20:04.27 | Lone_Wanderer | The one who I worked with to get the job I'm in now. I hope he doesn't bring up anything about non-competition. |
| 20:08.14 | beandog | stabbed your sister in the back with a pencil? |
| 20:08.15 | beandog | wtc |
| 20:08.52 | Lone_Wanderer | If someone did that to my sister I'd be tempted to deprive him of his dominant eye with the same pencil. |
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| 20:21.57 | beandog | at the very least break his pencil |
| 20:24.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, definitely break the weapon in question. |
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| 20:27.04 | Lone_Wanderer | It'd also depend on how serious the stab was. A little poke would have to be handled differently than an aggressive kidney-stabbing campaign. |
| 20:28.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if teaching the retired Lt. Colonel some database theory would be a bad idea. |
| 20:44.29 | dataw0lf | well, my little sister is pretty evil, she probably deserved it. |
| 20:45.00 | Lone_Wanderer | oh |
| 20:45.07 | Lone_Wanderer | well that changes things :p |
| 20:50.38 | dataw0lf | dude. Where were all these hot 24 year old teachers when I was in high school? |
| 20:50.50 | Lone_Wanderer | which hot 24 year old teachers? |
| 20:50.51 | beandog | the last thing my teachers were is hot. |
| 20:51.16 | Lone_Wanderer | One of mine was. Mme. Peltier. |
| 20:51.31 | Lone_Wanderer | She married Mr. Elwell, the English teacher. |
| 20:51.41 | Lone_Wanderer | The lucky jerk. |
| 20:51.59 | dataw0lf | I mean the ones that are willing to have sex with students. |
| 20:52.06 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what I thought you meant. |
| 20:52.46 | dataw0lf | dang. Maybe they were hiding somewhere and noone told me. |
| 20:52.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Probably. |
| 20:53.08 | Lone_Wanderer | They probably didn't want to go to prison for life. |
| 20:53.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Is w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind: an IIS bug file or something? |
| 20:54.12 | Lone_Wanderer | It's all over my access logs. |
| 20:56.01 | dataw0lf | DFind is a security scanner. |
| 20:56.40 | Lone_Wanderer | So they're scanning my server looking for security holes? |
| 20:57.09 | Black_Chaos | from sans.org |
| 20:57.12 | Black_Chaos | It's a web vulnerability scanner that has this fingerprint. Find and use it at your own risk. We at the Internet Storm Center distance ourselves from this tool that is labeled by at least one security company as a hacker tool. |
| 20:57.12 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 20:57.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Everything is a hacker tool. |
| 21:00.42 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: yes, they're scanning for a vulnerability. |
| 21:00.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Good luck to them I suppose. |
| 21:01.05 | Lone_Wanderer | The only thing on the server right now is Apache, and a single HTML page that says "This is a placeholder." |
| 21:01.33 | dataw0lf | well, it doesn't just scan for web vulns. |
| 21:02.04 | Lone_Wanderer | There aren't any other services running on it besides Apache. |
| 21:02.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I just wiped it clean a bit ago and haven't set it up with new stuff yet. |
| 21:02.33 | dataw0lf | you should be fine then. |
| 21:02.47 | Lone_Wanderer | So short of a security hole in Apache itself, which hasn't been announced on the Slackware security mailing list, I should be okay. |
| 21:06.36 | dataw0lf | indeed. |
| 21:07.28 | dataw0lf | but running Slackware is probably the best protection against smart hackers you can have. |
| 21:08.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh? |
| 21:08.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I just picked it 'cause it seems minimalist. |
| 21:11.00 | dataw0lf | well, any smart hacker will shudder and pick another target |
| 21:11.02 | dataw0lf | cuz Slackware sucks |
| 21:11.04 | dataw0lf | har har har |
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| 21:26.14 | Lone_Wanderer | DW, what's the Utah ruby/python programmer's channel? |
| 21:28.36 | cyco|w | urupug |
| 21:28.44 | cyco|w | i mean urapug |
| 21:29.24 | cyco|w | wasn't it? |
| 21:29.31 | cyco|w | is it gone? |
| 21:30.33 | macnewbold | no, u're a pug |
| 21:30.42 | cyco|w | really though, synic's dog is a pug.. |
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| 21:44.00 | Black_Chaos | #urug is the ruby channel |
| 21:44.36 | Black_Chaos | and the python one it #utahpython |
| 21:45.27 | Lone_Wanderer | cool thanks |
| 21:47.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Is iptables a firewall? |
| 21:48.52 | dataw0lf | iptables is the user end tool to use netfilter, the packet filtering framework inside the Linux kernel. |
| 21:48.57 | dataw0lf | So, yea, basically. |
| 21:49.15 | Lone_Wanderer | so I should be able to use it to open up port 8080? |
| 21:49.20 | dataw0lf | Yes. |
| 21:49.24 | Lone_Wanderer | k cool |
| 21:50.29 | dataw0lf | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT |
| 21:50.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Thanks. |
| 21:50.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Saves me poring over the man pages :p |
| 21:50.49 | dataw0lf | np |
| 21:51.26 | dataw0lf | of course, if you're blocking 8080 higher up on the chain, that won't work. |
| 21:51.36 | dataw0lf | but you probably just have INPUT defaulting to DROP |
| 21:51.47 | Lone_Wanderer | How can I see the rules that are set up currently? |
| 21:51.54 | dataw0lf | iptables -L |
| 21:52.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay none of that means anything to me. |
| 21:53.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll just try it again and see if it works. |
| 21:53.09 | brasto | i have a problem with some source: http://bstout.securesites.net/rss/matchAgainst.phps |
| 21:53.22 | brasto | search for this text: |
| 21:53.49 | brasto | while ($keywds = $keywdresults -> fetch_assoc() !== NULL) { |
| 21:53.51 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: you're looking for a line in Chain INPUT like: |
| 21:54.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Is there a way to do something similar to tail -f'ing the access log, only for packets? |
| 21:54.13 | dataw0lf | DROP tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:8080 |
| 21:54.16 | dataw0lf | or |
| 21:54.17 | brasto | I added the following 3 echo statements for troubleshooting. |
| 21:54.24 | dataw0lf | REJECT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:8080 |
| 21:54.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I think there are just global rules that tell it to reject anything not otherwise specified |
| 21:54.48 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.56 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.58 | Lone_Wanderer | but I should be able to see the rule I added to allow 8080 |
| 21:55.03 | brasto | echo "<p>The Keywords are: $keys</p>"; |
| 21:55.17 | dataw0lf | yes |
| 21:55.30 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, 6969 seems to be open |
| 21:55.36 | Lone_Wanderer | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:6969 |
| 21:55.39 | Lone_Wanderer | which seems odd |
| 21:55.53 | brasto | the select statement does not produce my keywords. instead I get what's here: |
| 21:55.55 | brasto | http://bstout.securesites.net/rss/matchAgainst.php |
| 21:56.38 | brasto | Apache error_log file has no entries... |
| 21:56.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Stick in some \n's or br's |
| 21:56.59 | brasto | adding some now... |
| 21:57.36 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: huh. |
| 21:57.42 | dataw0lf | wanna do me a favor Lone_Wanderer? |
| 21:57.48 | Lone_Wanderer | sure |
| 21:57.49 | dataw0lf | start dumping that port with tcpdump |
| 21:57.55 | Lone_Wanderer | 6969? |
| 21:58.13 | Lone_Wanderer | It sounds malicious just based on the number. |
| 21:58.57 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 21:59.00 | brasto | done |
| 21:59.11 | brasto | refresh http://bstout.securesites.net/rss/matchAgainst.php |
| 21:59.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know how to use tcpdump either |
| 21:59.28 | dataw0lf | tcpdump -w 6969log.txt tcp port 6969 |
| 21:59.37 | dataw0lf | let it run for a while |
| 21:59.38 | Lone_Wanderer | but it looks like I can set it to log everything on that port or something |
| 21:59.40 | Lone_Wanderer | like that |
| 21:59.55 | Lone_Wanderer | How long is a while? |
| 21:59.56 | fungus | tcpdump -w doesn't write a text file |
| 22:00.12 | fungus | it writes a binary dump of the traffic |
| 22:00.34 | fungus | just run `tcpdump port 6969` and watch the screen |
| 22:00.41 | brasto | instead of each keyword, I get a 1 each row??? |
| 22:00.42 | Lone_Wanderer | wow, I only let it run 30 seconds or so and it got 29 packets |
| 22:00.45 | dataw0lf | yea, and you can reread it, fungus |
| 22:00.58 | Lone_Wanderer | holy crap it's going like crazy |
| 22:01.09 | dataw0lf | yea, I need to see the traffic, log it with -w |
| 22:01.11 | fungus | but let's not confuse the poor guy |
| 22:01.23 | dataw0lf | well what's he going to do by watching it? |
| 22:01.27 | fungus | ahh, to share the dump, -w is nice |
| 22:01.32 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 22:01.39 | Lone_Wanderer | okay it's going, you want me to email it to you or something? |
| 22:01.41 | fungus | He can see what kind of traffic is going on |
| 22:01.59 | dataw0lf | yea, cut it at about 50k and email it to my gmail acct |
| 22:02.08 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 22:02.10 | dataw0lf | brasto: why not use a foreach? |
| 22:02.22 | dataw0lf | let me check this dump and I'll look at the code |
| 22:03.15 | dataw0lf | also, Lone_Wanderer, give me a netstat -luten output via private message |
| 22:03.28 | brasto | ok, i'll try foreach |
| 22:03.32 | Lone_Wanderer | This is odd. When I run "tcpdump port 6969" it scrolls like crazy but when I do the other command it only gets a tiny number of packets. |
| 22:04.24 | fungus | maybe they are udp packets |
| 22:04.26 | dataw0lf | try removing the tcp |
| 22:04.30 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 22:05.22 | dataw0lf | huh |
| 22:05.22 | dataw0lf | do a grep 6969 /etc/services for me Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:05.23 | Lone_Wanderer | got 26 but it's still a lot slower. oh well. |
| 22:05.36 | Lone_Wanderer | nothing |
| 22:05.54 | dataw0lf | well, you got a server listening on 6969 and it didn't register with services |
| 22:05.59 | fungus | 6969 is a common bittorrent port |
| 22:06.00 | Lone_Wanderer | marvelous |
| 22:06.56 | fungus | bittorrent clients don't usually have write access to /etc/services |
| 22:07.32 | dataw0lf | a client doesn't run a service on 6969 |
| 22:07.39 | dataw0lf | it connects outbound to a tracker via 6969 |
| 22:08.11 | fungus | bittorrent clients often run a service for uploading |
| 22:08.36 | dataw0lf | on 6969? |
| 22:08.49 | brasto | foreach ($keywdresults -> fetch_assoc()) { |
| 22:08.51 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.52 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.54 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.55 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.57 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.58 | brasto | } |
| 22:09.01 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 22:09.06 | brasto | first line has an error? |
| 22:09.10 | fungus | Lone_Wanderer: `netstat -punta | grep 6969` |
| 22:09.16 | Lone_Wanderer | installing pine |
| 22:09.24 | fungus | it should show the pid and command listening on that port |
| 22:09.27 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, it says it's already there |
| 22:10.16 | Lone_Wanderer | can't I mail this to you via the command line mail tool? |
| 22:11.34 | dataw0lf | cat logfile | mail std3rr@gmail.com |
| 22:11.47 | fungus | don't do that with the tcpdump |
| 22:11.58 | Lone_Wanderer | it's a binary file |
| 22:12.04 | fungus | you need to either uu or mime encode it. |
| 22:12.22 | dataw0lf | uuencode logfile | mail std3rr@gmail.com |
| 22:13.14 | Lone_Wanderer | uuencode isn't installed |
| 22:13.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I should just scp it to my own server and download it |
| 22:13.35 | macnewbold | look for b64encode maybe? |
| 22:13.38 | Lone_Wanderer | or see if there's an FTP server on this one |
| 22:14.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, ftp over ssh2 |
| 22:14.46 | dataw0lf | check priv |
| 22:18.23 | dataw0lf | 208.186.98.2 <- recognize that ip? |
| 22:18.24 | Lone_Wanderer | nope |
| 22:18.24 | dataw0lf | what about 208-186-98-2.customer.csolutions.net |
| 22:18.30 | Lone_Wanderer | except from when I ran tcpdump :p |
| 22:18.33 | Lone_Wanderer | nope |
| 22:18.55 | Lone_Wanderer | maybe I should just ask our "sysadmin" if he knows what it is. |
| 22:18.57 | Lone_Wanderer | brb |
| 22:19.29 | fungus | `whois 208.186.98.2` ... IP Telesis. |
| 22:19.44 | dataw0lf | what did netstat -pute | grep 6969 give you? |
| 22:21.26 | dataw0lf | well, it doesn't look like bittorrent traffic |
| 22:22.47 | jsmith | Does it look like IRC traffic? |
| 22:23.40 | dataw0lf | could be |
| 22:24.03 | dataw0lf | I'm just seeing headers, not ASCII payloads, a bit hard to tell |
| 22:24.52 | Lone_Wanderer | tcp 0 0 CERTSSLC.iptelesis.net:6969 208-186-98-2.customer.:2152 ESTABLISHED root 419929 23265/1 |
| 22:24.54 | Lone_Wanderer | tcp 0 0 CERTSSLC.iptelesis.net:6969 208-186-98-2.customer.:2477 ESTABLISHED root 421235 23578/2 |
| 22:25.13 | Lone_Wanderer | that's from netstat -pute |
| 22:27.20 | dataw0lf | ps -p 23265 |
| 22:27.34 | Lone_Wanderer | sshd |
| 22:27.44 | jsmith | Uh... that' doesn't seem right |
| 22:27.50 | Lone_Wanderer | May have rolled over? |
| 22:27.56 | dataw0lf | ps -p 23578 |
| 22:28.04 | Lone_Wanderer | nope, it's still the same |
| 22:28.13 | Lone_Wanderer | what's the -p flag? |
| 22:28.16 | Lone_Wanderer | also sshd |
| 22:28.25 | dataw0lf | -p lists that process number |
| 22:28.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 22:28.39 | fungus | ps -uww -p 23265 |
| 22:28.54 | Lone_Wanderer | root 23265 0.0 0.1 8556 2276 ? Ss 10:57 0:00 sshd: root@pts/1 |
| 22:29.10 | Lone_Wanderer | heh |
| 22:29.11 | Lone_Wanderer | that was me |
| 22:29.13 | fungus | someone with root access is probably using port forwarding |
| 22:29.36 | Lone_Wanderer | tcp 0 0 CERTSSLC.iptelesis.net:6969 208-186-98-2.customer.:2152 TIME_WAIT root 0 - |
| 22:29.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes I am logged in as root *hangs head in shame* |
| 22:30.01 | dataw0lf | on IRC? |
| 22:30.04 | Lone_Wanderer | No, no. |
| 22:30.07 | dataw0lf | dang |
| 22:30.33 | fungus | sudo irssi |
| 22:30.36 | fungus | doh, wrong window. |
| 22:30.39 | fungus | :P |
| 22:31.23 | dataw0lf | you're editing webdocs as root? |
| 22:31.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah I know huh? |
| 22:31.37 | Lone_Wanderer | That's the setup they gave me. |
| 22:31.47 | dataw0lf | yea, huh. any executables in there? |
| 22:31.59 | Lone_Wanderer | In the web root? |
| 22:32.03 | atoponce | wps: ping |
| 22:32.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh yeah duh. |
| 22:32.22 | wps | atoponce: pong |
| 22:32.22 | Lone_Wanderer | He changed the SSH port to 6969. |
| 22:32.33 | Lone_Wanderer | For "security" reasons. |
| 22:32.35 | dataw0lf | dude. you're fired, LW. |
| 22:32.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I just changed the port in Putty and forgot about it :p |
| 22:32.56 | dataw0lf | tell him to grow a brain and just do SYN rate limiting and ssh connection limiting. |
| 22:33.16 | atoponce | wps: mind if i take a couple min before or after the meet to briefly talk about the OALUG/UPHPU workshop in Jan? |
| 22:33.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'm going to recommend that we get a new Linux admin soon, or just let me do the administration. |
| 22:33.29 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause the guy we've got now is doing things like letting everyone log in as root. |
| 22:33.30 | dataw0lf | god no, not you! |
| 22:33.31 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 22:33.38 | dataw0lf | dude. |
| 22:33.40 | dataw0lf | your admin sucks. |
| 22:33.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah I know. |
| 22:33.48 | wps | atoponce: no, not at all |
| 22:34.00 | atoponce | wps: cool. thx. |
| 22:34.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Then again, maybe I'll do that after lunch. |
| 22:35.17 | Lone_Wanderer | And lunch will be after I tell the sales guy that I'm not going to do what he wants me to 'cause other stuff is more important. |
| 22:35.33 | dataw0lf | which sysadmin book you got? |
| 22:35.40 | Lone_Wanderer | it's... |
| 22:35.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Essential System Administration |
| 22:35.52 | Lone_Wanderer | third edition, O'Reilly |
| 22:36.34 | dataw0lf | I'll give you a link to the bestest admin book ever: http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Administration-Handbook-Evi-Nemeth/dp/0130084662 |
| 22:36.47 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 22:37.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Then again, maybe I'll just buy it. |
| 22:38.27 | dataw0lf | it's pretty much super awesome. |
| 22:39.14 | Lone_Wanderer | like "Yeah, I guess you could say that it's the BEST BOOK IN THE UNIVERSE!!!." |
| 22:39.20 | Lone_Wanderer | or "it's pretty much super awesome" |
| 22:39.28 | dataw0lf | yea, I do it often. |
| 22:39.56 | atoponce | Black_Chaos: ping |
| 22:40.20 | dataw0lf | I also add various valley girl grammatics when I'm being a smart arse. |
| 22:40.21 | Black_Chaos | hey |
| 22:40.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Girl grammatics? |
| 22:40.35 | dataw0lf | like, y'know, like, what I'm sayin'? |
| 22:40.39 | atoponce | Black_Chaos: coming to the meet tonight? |
| 22:40.39 | dataw0lf | valley girl grammatics |
| 22:40.44 | Lone_Wanderer | like omg totally |
| 22:40.56 | Lone_Wanderer | okay lunch, then I'll buy the book, then I'll do whatever I was going to do. |
| 22:40.56 | dataw0lf | it's, like, totally funny omgz |
| 22:41.19 | Black_Chaos | atoponce: unfortunately no |
| 22:41.37 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> meeting tonight! @ 19:00:00 Parsing RSS | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 22:42.05 | Black_Chaos | atoponce: I hate to miss it. It looks to be an awesome topic |
| 22:42.11 | dataw0lf | brasto: did you get that working. |
| 22:42.12 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 22:42.13 | Black_Chaos | take notes for me :D |
| 22:42.19 | atoponce | Black_Chaos: will do |
| 22:42.23 | brasto | not yet |
| 22:42.37 | Black_Chaos | actually is the meeting going to be video taped? |
| 22:42.45 | brasto | i think so |
| 22:42.47 | macnewbold | wps said it would be I think |
| 22:42.55 | Black_Chaos | that would rock |
| 22:44.21 | brasto | var_dump ($keywdresults); returns the first line on http://bstout.securesites.net/rss/matchAgainst.php |
| 22:44.36 | brasto | i think i'm missing something obvious, but overlooking it... |
| 22:46.35 | dataw0lf | just grab the whole result set into one array |
| 22:46.38 | dataw0lf | and instead of using those whiles |
| 22:46.42 | dataw0lf | foreach it |
| 22:46.46 | wps | I was planning on video taping it, but I think that my wife might not let me go now |
| 22:46.52 | dataw0lf | and then reference each foreach item as an array inside the foreach |
| 22:47.33 | brasto | it's a one column result set |
| 22:47.36 | brasto | i'll try that |
| 22:50.22 | dataw0lf | I wonder what type of performance difference there might be between iterating over mysql get_assoc function calls and just grabbing it all at once. |
| 22:50.30 | brasto | however, shouldn't a var_dump produce more than just object(mysqli_result)#2 (0) { } ? |
| 22:50.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay our "sysadmin" says that he opened up 8080 but I think he's lying. |
| 22:50.47 | macnewbold | ~findlay Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:50.49 | jbot | ACTION recreationally nmaps Lone_Wanderer. |
| 22:50.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I usually do while ($foo = mysql_fetch_assoc($result)) { |
| 22:50.59 | dataw0lf | or fetch_assoc rather |
| 22:51.13 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Check. |
| 22:51.19 | Lone_Wanderer | and don't worry about performance issues until they b ecome a problem, which they never have |
| 22:51.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay I need food. Be back. |
| 22:51.40 | dataw0lf | I always think about performance issues with PHP |
| 22:52.37 | macnewbold | it's okay to think about them, but worrying about them too much too early leads to overoptimization |
| 22:52.37 | dataw0lf | yea, I agree. |
| 22:53.02 | dataw0lf | brasto: I don't think so. It's just a mysql result object, I don't think vardump will decode that for printing. |
| 22:53.13 | brasto | k |
| 22:54.40 | dataw0lf | my hair is so soooooft |
| 22:55.09 | dataw0lf | man not being at work is boring. |
| 22:56.16 | fungus | var_dump just shows mysql result resources as "Resource" |
| 23:01.51 | brasto | am i doing this wrong: |
| 23:01.51 | brasto | foreach ($keywdresults AS $keywordrow) { |
| 23:01.51 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.51 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.52 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.52 | brasto | } |
| 23:02.10 | *** join/#uphpu jsmith (n=jsmith@h4605b6c8.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 23:02.10 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v jsmith] by ChanServ |
| 23:04.38 | brasto | using mysqli extension mysql_fetch_assoc is the same as $query -> fetch_assoc() |
| 23:05.27 | brasto | actually, mysqli_fetch_assoc is... |
| 23:05.46 | mindjuju | ~seen optikal |
| 23:05.53 | jbot | optikal <i=optikal@li2-248.members.linode.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 5h 42m 45s ago, saying: 'dataw0lf: sweet'. |
| 23:05.53 | brasto | it's the object-oriented style |
| 23:06.17 | mindjuju | i need some tunes, di.fm has decided to play crap again |
| 23:06.28 | brasto | i'd pull out my hair... if i had hair... |
| 23:15.41 | brasto | brb, i'll figure it out after a break |
| 23:17.56 | dataw0lf | dude, I'm wearing a members only jacket right now |
| 23:18.17 | mindjuju | sweetness! 80's where the frickin' golden age of fashion |
| 23:18.37 | dataw0lf | didn't we have this convo before. |
| 23:18.46 | mindjuju | yeah, prolly |
| 23:21.46 | dataw0lf | I'm coming to SLC tomorrow, mindjuju, so you may feel a huge increase in coolness in the Valley. |
| 23:22.51 | mindjuju | how long you going to be in town? |
| 23:24.42 | dataw0lf | til Sunday morning. |
| 23:24.52 | Lone_Wanderer | mmm, breadsticks |
| 23:25.16 | dataw0lf | anyone wanna do lunch tomorrow? |
| 23:25.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I would but a potluck just got organized for the office. |
| 23:26.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Which means I may have to forego my normal (10 - 11) - (some absurdly late hour) schedule. |
| 23:26.18 | Lone_Wanderer | And actually arrive on time. |
| 23:26.34 | dataw0lf | diiiinnar? anyone? |
| 23:28.32 | dataw0lf | sweet, optikal will be there too, I'm sure. |
| 23:29.50 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 23:30.20 | dataw0lf | you got my number? |
| 23:30.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I do not. |
| 23:30.35 | dataw0lf | 775-530-1917 |
| 23:31.55 | Lone_Wanderer | A cute girl was smiling at me at the gas station, so I decided to talk to her. |
| 23:32.28 | dataw0lf | got maced huh? |
| 23:32.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Wrong response. |
| 23:32.31 | Lone_Wanderer | The correct response is "What did you say?" |
| 23:32.40 | dataw0lf | oh |
| 23:32.50 | dataw0lf | So after you recovered from the macing, what did you say? |
| 23:33.01 | Lone_Wanderer | "I'm sorry, but you're far too young for me." |
| 23:33.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think her boyfriend was pleased. If he was in fact her boyfriend. |
| 23:33.18 | dataw0lf | way to push her buttons. |
| 23:33.33 | dataw0lf | oooh, the plot thickens. |
| 23:34.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Soon we'll have some really good plot gravy to go with our roast phbeast. |
| 23:34.41 | dataw0lf | I'd like a light glass of prose, plz. |
| 23:34.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Prose before hos. |
| 23:34.53 | dataw0lf | hohoho |
| 23:35.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Will tcpdump show packets that get thrown out? |
| 23:35.34 | dataw0lf | I made the mistake of saying the original version of that in front of my girlfriend to my brother. |
| 23:35.57 | Lone_Wanderer | d'oh |
| 23:36.09 | Lone_Wanderer | your current girlfriend? |
| 23:36.32 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 23:36.42 | dataw0lf | 'that get thrown out' ? be more specific. |
| 23:36.59 | dataw0lf | if you mean, 'will it show packets that get dropped by the kernel', then, no |
| 23:37.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 23:38.24 | dataw0lf | so now she says 'hos before bros' all the time. Which I already knew, y'know, but it's nice that she's now being explicit about it. |
| 23:39.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Everything is better if it's explicit. |
| 23:39.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Except sarcasm. |
| 23:40.16 | dataw0lf | so true. |
| 23:42.28 | Lone_Wanderer | http://attrition.org/postal/z/033/0871.html |
| 23:44.02 | dataw0lf | omg awesome |
| 23:44.11 | Lone_Wanderer | "Think of all the stuff you see in the movies, but better." |
| 23:49.47 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl, rot-26 |
| 23:51.52 | dataw0lf | I'm out gentlemen |
| 23:51.55 | dataw0lf | gimme a call if you wanna hang |
| 23:51.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Goodnight. |
| 23:53.11 | brasto | lol, the problem was a case sensitive "Keywords" vs "keywords" |
| 23:53.41 | brasto | over an hour looking for a problem, resolved by changing the case of one letter... |
| 23:53.57 | Lone_Wanderer | And thus we see the importance of being a curmudgeonly old man when it comes to analyzing details. |
| 23:54.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Let not one be overlooked. |
| 23:55.18 | beandog | alright homies, Im heading out for vacation time |
| 23:55.22 | beandog | seeya next year, suckahs |
| 23:55.28 | Lone_Wanderer | later, enjoy |
