| 00:11.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I shouldn't let bug fixing stress me so much. |
| 00:16.59 | dataw0lf | watched deja vu instead |
| 00:17.19 | Lone_Wanderer | How was it? |
| 00:17.34 | dataw0lf | totally illogical from a quantum physics perspective |
| 00:17.55 | dataw0lf | course quantum physics is illogical |
| 00:18.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I demand that all movies faithfully adhere to logic and reality! |
| 00:18.31 | dataw0lf | but they totally did the linear time with branches thing |
| 00:18.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh crap. |
| 00:18.59 | dataw0lf | which disappointed me to an enormous degree |
| 00:19.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, that's been done. |
| 00:19.19 | timinator | I'm out guys |
| 00:19.21 | timinator | later |
| 00:19.22 | Lone_Wanderer | later |
| 00:19.36 | dataw0lf | cmon kids time exists at all points at the same time |
| 00:19.54 | dataw0lf | i yelled that out in the theater |
| 00:19.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Did you get kicked out? |
| 00:20.25 | dataw0lf | nah just some disgusted disbelieving snorts |
| 00:20.55 | Lone_Wanderer | awesome |
| 00:21.06 | Lone_Wanderer | once during a preview with Russian music I got up and danced Russian-style. |
| 00:21.17 | Lone_Wanderer | But that was just a preview. |
| 00:21.18 | dataw0lf | oh well i was chugging a heineken at the time so i couldnt be taken seriously |
| 00:21.45 | Lone_Wanderer | because you were drunk or because people who drink heineken can't be taken seriously? |
| 00:21.51 | dataw0lf | im back in the bar with some hackers now |
| 00:21.54 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 00:22.10 | dataw0lf | prolly cuz im a lil drunk |
| 00:23.01 | dataw0lf | voip will be the death of you |
| 00:23.06 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not that bad. |
| 00:23.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Really. I mean the logic isn't. It's the crap I've got to work with that will kill me. |
| 00:23.29 | dataw0lf | exactly |
| 00:23.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Needs to be rewritten from the ground up but they won't let me 'cause of all the stuff that has to get added on first. |
| 00:23.47 | Lone_Wanderer | So that's yet more stuff that will need to be rewritten. |
| 00:24.08 | dataw0lf | voip: more manager influence than a web 2.0 site |
| 00:30.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, that's good enough for today. |
| 00:30.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Thus saith Dan. |
| 00:30.21 | Lone_Wanderer | sayeth? whatever. |
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| 13:28.35 | timinator | morning guys |
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| 13:36.28 | timinator | morning swb |
| 13:36.41 | swb | morning timinator |
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| 13:46.02 | drip | good morning |
| 13:47.11 | timinator | mornin' drip |
| 13:47.39 | swb | morning |
| 13:53.44 | swb | do either of you guys have to work with Exchange? |
| 13:54.09 | swb | it's not playing nice with Thunderbird and I HATE THAT! |
| 13:54.43 | timinator | I used to... but never had to make it play nice |
| 13:55.03 | swb | plus I want to query the global address book and pull out email lists and their subscribers... but it doesn't allow anonymous binds... bleh |
| 13:55.07 | swb | okay, rant over |
| 13:55.17 | timinator | bleh |
| 13:56.15 | timinator | what kind of mac are you running swb? |
| 13:56.28 | swb | winxp actually |
| 13:56.44 | swb | but, I'd like to switch to a mac for my home computer |
| 13:56.47 | swb | you have a mac? |
| 13:57.28 | swb | this is a mac prog I want: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ |
| 13:57.29 | timinator | yes... |
| 13:57.41 | timinator | that's a nice one |
| 13:57.48 | timinator | omni makes good products |
| 13:57.56 | swb | what are your "must have" programs? |
| 13:58.05 | swb | I'd have to buy CS2 all over again |
| 13:58.16 | timinator | yes, you would |
| 13:58.24 | swb | it's a "must" |
| 13:58.35 | timinator | or bootleg, and justify it because you own a license already |
| 13:58.38 | timinator | a must |
| 13:58.54 | swb | or student version (which I think is ~$200!!) |
| 13:58.59 | swb | at the UofU |
| 13:59.06 | timinator | I like Handbrake for converting DVD movies to video files for the iPod |
| 13:59.07 | timinator | ya |
| 13:59.19 | timinator | I like Transmit for SFTP connections |
| 13:59.28 | timinator | love the terminal |
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| 13:59.33 | timinator | but that's built in |
| 13:59.47 | timinator | Camino is a mac only browser... I love it more than FF |
| 14:00.33 | drip | I only wish I was lucky enough to be using exchange here. |
| 14:00.52 | timinator | Adium is an IM client that plays nice with several services.... so when I run Adium, it connects to my AIM, MSN, and Yahoo account |
| 14:00.56 | timinator | eek |
| 14:00.56 | swb | ewwww |
| 14:01.14 | drip | yeah, it's like poop on a stick. |
| 14:01.14 | timinator | why drip? oh why?? |
| 14:01.19 | swb | that's it, I have to have a mac AND a pc |
| 14:01.32 | drip | i was using evolution |
| 14:01.37 | timinator | "AND a pc"???? |
| 14:01.39 | drip | but we were instructed to use lotus |
| 14:01.54 | jsmith | timinator: Problem with Camino is that the FF extensions don't work with it :-( |
| 14:01.59 | swb | for testing, for 90% IE traffic |
| 14:02.04 | timinator | that's true jsmith |
| 14:02.08 | drip | thunderbird - evolution.. |
| 14:02.14 | timinator | swb: ah |
| 14:02.15 | drip | that's what I'd rather use. |
| 14:02.21 | drip | but alas.. not what I can use. |
| 14:02.29 | timinator | drip: I see |
| 14:02.33 | swb | ff extenstions are AWESOME, I don't think I could convert to camino |
| 14:02.53 | swb | so, shouldn't I be able to use whatever client I want with exchange? |
| 14:03.02 | timinator | I use both.... but I only jump into FF when I need one of the extentions |
| 14:03.15 | drip | yeah, for your email. |
| 14:03.23 | timinator | brb guys |
| 14:03.24 | swb | like firebug?! I just discovered it the other day |
| 14:07.38 | timinator | back |
| 14:07.46 | timinator | firebug? what's that? |
| 14:08.25 | swb | it's a super nifty ff add-on |
| 14:08.29 | swb | http://designsimply.com/2006/12/12/web-developer-tool-of-the-year/ |
| 14:15.36 | timinator | that's way cool |
| 14:15.42 | swb | I know huh?! |
| 14:16.04 | timinator | seriously |
| 14:16.16 | swb | glad I could show it to ya |
| 14:16.41 | timinator | yes, me too... thanks |
| 14:16.55 | swb | welcome |
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| 15:03.09 | swb | morning fellas |
| 15:03.19 | wps | good morning |
| 15:03.45 | jsmith | Morning! |
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| 15:53.17 | dataw0lf | morning people |
| 15:53.24 | jsmith | Morning1 |
| 15:53.28 | jsmith | s/1/!/ |
| 15:54.29 | dataw0lf | how goes it, jsmith? |
| 15:54.51 | jsmith | Not bad... |
| 15:54.59 | jsmith | Enjoying life... |
| 15:55.37 | dataw0lf | whatcha presenting on? |
| 15:55.43 | jsmith | Asterisk |
| 15:55.48 | jsmith | (imagine that) |
| 15:58.25 | dataw0lf | never woulda guessed! |
| 15:58.27 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
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| 16:24.37 | timinator | morning thebigdog |
| 16:35.01 | dataw0lf | anyone used ClickTracks before? |
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| 16:39.58 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 16:40.49 | dataw0lf | yes |
| 16:41.30 | mindjuju | is there any good reason for a cisco firewall, which is routing packets correctly, suddenly just stop? |
| 16:42.16 | _psychic_ | was there a change in the network topology? |
| 16:42.28 | mindjuju | nope |
| 16:43.44 | mindjuju | like, it's working beautifully for several hours |
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| 16:43.57 | mindjuju | it's packet filtering and its doing NAT |
| 16:44.10 | mindjuju | then suddenly, pow, everything goes down |
| 16:44.39 | _psychic_ | everything? |
| 16:45.42 | mindjuju | everything |
| 16:45.59 | mindjuju | every one of the sites is currently giving off the page can't be displayed error |
| 16:46.09 | dataw0lf | ok, but, internally, do you have DNS? |
| 16:46.24 | mindjuju | let me check |
| 16:47.09 | mindjuju | no dns anymore |
| 16:47.33 | mindjuju | i didn't think to check that, but it did have dns when everything was functional |
| 16:48.06 | dataw0lf | do you have dns from the firewall? |
| 16:49.10 | mindjuju | no, the dns is in the NIC of the computers behind the firewall |
| 16:49.19 | dataw0lf | while you're doing that, tracepath 1) a DNS request (www.google.com or whatever), and a straight TCP/IP request (some ip address), internally |
| 16:49.20 | mindjuju | the nics are running around with static IPs |
| 16:50.24 | mindjuju | k, hang on quick sec, brb |
| 16:52.20 | dataw0lf | also, do a bunch of ICMP checks from the outside in |
| 16:52.32 | dataw0lf | err, from the inside out |
| 16:52.35 | dataw0lf | and then do outside in |
| 16:54.00 | dataw0lf | really comfy shoes: http://www.lakai.com/06/footwear/ho06/howard53.html |
| 17:02.39 | mindjuju | i'll get tracepath installed on the box and test |
| 17:02.49 | mindjuju | icmp incoming are turned off |
| 17:02.57 | mindjuju | i've never tried ping out, but i'll try that |
| 17:03.20 | mindjuju | the damn thing is in the production zone, though, so i'm going to have to find something fast cause i need to yank this if it is going to be doing this |
| 17:03.30 | mindjuju | sites down for like 10 minutes is going to kill me! |
| 17:03.44 | dataw0lf | always have a spare, fairly cheap Linux firewall on hand, sir. |
| 17:03.56 | mindjuju | plus, i got back on my feet, by wiping out all the rules of allowed traffic, and putting them back in via the CLI |
| 17:03.57 | dataw0lf | cuz Cisco equipment can be a pain to troubleshoot. |
| 17:04.05 | mindjuju | yup, i was just headed down that route |
| 17:04.13 | mindjuju | which one do you recommend |
| 17:04.18 | mindjuju | smoothwall? |
| 17:04.23 | dataw0lf | iptables |
| 17:04.38 | dataw0lf | on a gutted Debian box. |
| 17:04.47 | dataw0lf | tis all you need. |
| 17:05.43 | mindjuju | brb |
| 17:06.29 | _psychic_ | hardware routing is really fast, though |
| 17:07.16 | dataw0lf | I truly doubt he would have a problem with modern NICs on a gutted Debian kernel. |
| 17:07.31 | dataw0lf | unless he was doing some crazy stateful filtering |
| 17:23.41 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
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| 17:57.08 | Lone_Wanderer | ahoy |
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| 18:02.08 | dataw0lf | I'm sailing! I'm a sailor! I sail! Ahoy! |
| 18:03.01 | timinator | HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA |
| 18:03.20 | timinator | <deep breath /> |
| 18:03.23 | timinator | HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA |
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| 18:04.55 | dataw0lf | Bill Murray == comedic genius. |
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| 18:08.29 | _psychic_ | Bill Murray++ |
| 18:08.38 | timinator | Bill Murray++ |
| 18:08.59 | timinator | he's great in Stripes too |
| 18:09.19 | timinator | did anyone like Lost in Translation? |
| 18:18.03 | herlo | timinator: it was good |
| 18:22.25 | dataw0lf | I liked it. |
| 18:22.33 | dataw0lf | I love Caddyshack, too. |
| 18:23.26 | timinator | I didn't really like it |
| 18:23.46 | timinator | Gostbusters: Riots in the streets, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria |
| 18:23.59 | dataw0lf | so I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? |
| 18:24.17 | dataw0lf | The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. |
| 18:24.49 | dataw0lf | So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one .. big hitter, the Lama .. long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. |
| 18:24.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I missed something there. |
| 18:25.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm sailing? Ahoy? Bill Murray? |
| 18:25.03 | dataw0lf | Do you know what the Lama says? |
| 18:25.14 | dataw0lf | Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. |
| 18:26.01 | dataw0lf | So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey how about a little something, y'know, for the effort, y'know?" And he says "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice. |
| 18:26.04 | swb | random link: http://oracleofbacon.org/ |
| 18:26.10 | dataw0lf | greatest quote EVAR |
| 18:30.39 | macnewbold | ~huh... weird |
| 18:30.41 | jbot | Weird factor is currently 10%, and stable. |
| 18:32.11 | fungus | Now I know you didn't mean llama, but I couldn't resist. http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php |
| 18:38.40 | wps | Burton Earny? |
| 18:39.36 | wps | I can't believe that I listened to that entire thing until it repeated |
| 18:40.51 | dataw0lf | heh 'burton earny' heh |
| 18:41.38 | dataw0lf | is jtaber in here? |
| 18:44.57 | macnewbold | probably not |
| 18:45.03 | macnewbold | I don't think I've ever seen him in IRC |
| 18:45.12 | macnewbold | he usually works during the day |
| 18:45.44 | Lone_Wanderer | work? |
| 18:45.50 | Lone_Wanderer | What a stiff. |
| 18:46.35 | macnewbold | yeah, go figure |
| 18:46.45 | wps | we have three years of presentations in the archives |
| 18:46.48 | wps | go UPHPU |
| 18:47.07 | dataw0lf | you got my linux one in there? |
| 18:47.44 | wps | if we do, it's not assigned to you |
| 18:47.47 | wps | when was it? |
| 18:48.13 | wps | this one? |
| 18:48.13 | wps | http://uphpu.org/2005/06/21/basic-linux-network-security-troubleshooting-amp-tips/ |
| 18:48.36 | wps | oh, nevermind, all presentation announcements are assigned to me |
| 18:48.42 | wps | so, yes, we do have your linux one in there |
| 18:48.47 | dataw0lf | I found it. danke. |
| 18:49.11 | thebigdog | that was a good pres dataw0lf |
| 18:49.21 | wps | I always think that it's weird when I heard advertisements on the radio for Lennox heating and cooling systems |
| 18:49.29 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, you should add that link you posted to the website |
| 18:49.33 | wps | lennox vs. linux |
| 18:49.36 | thebigdog | that was a very good link |
| 18:49.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Makes me think of Annie. |
| 18:49.58 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: yea it was, we rocked the house. |
| 18:50.20 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, you should check out the presentation tath dataw0lf did on ip_tables were you not the one asking about that? |
| 18:50.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I wasn't the one, no. |
| 18:50.38 | dataw0lf | mindjuju, mebbe. |
| 18:50.54 | thebigdog | i think it was beandog |
| 18:51.10 | bradym | yeah, i think you're right |
| 18:52.47 | dataw0lf | bigdog's co-presentation on logging and Apache 'twas sweet too. |
| 18:53.17 | dataw0lf | his was purtier. |
| 18:58.24 | thebigdog | me ot a new new ipod for christmas |
| 18:58.30 | thebigdog | the joys of being santa |
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| 19:08.14 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 19:08.17 | macnewbold | I've got 4 of them |
| 19:08.20 | macnewbold | that's pretty old |
| 19:08.43 | thebigdog | in my family we got 3 now |
| 19:08.48 | thebigdog | i bought a shuffle too |
| 19:08.51 | thebigdog | for the wife |
| 19:09.10 | thebigdog | and my daughter has one from last year |
| 19:09.25 | thebigdog | i cant believe how easy they are to scratch though |
| 19:09.50 | thebigdog | but i do like gkpod or whatever it is...works like a charm |
| 19:10.43 | swb | http://www.iskin.com/ |
| 19:11.02 | macnewbold | I was talking about the perpendicular hard drives, not the ipods |
| 19:11.05 | macnewbold | but ipods are cool too |
| 19:11.18 | thebigdog | oh...you suck |
| 19:11.40 | thebigdog | i got an iskin for my shuffle...need one for the others |
| 19:12.14 | thebigdog | those evo3s are nice |
| 19:12.40 | macnewbold | my wife is surprising me with one of the new shuffles for christmas |
| 19:12.55 | macnewbold | but she bought it with my amazon acct, saying she needed to buy a present for her sister |
| 19:13.04 | macnewbold | so I only barely found out it was for me |
| 19:13.17 | thebigdog | lol |
| 19:13.35 | thebigdog | i dont suprise the wife anymore not after a tragic experience |
| 19:15.13 | swb | tragic? |
| 19:15.22 | thebigdog | kinda |
| 19:15.25 | thebigdog | tragic for me |
| 19:15.39 | thebigdog | tragic = she will never let me live it down |
| 19:15.57 | swb | that's a bit cryptic |
| 19:19.09 | dataw0lf | what's wrong with girls anyway. They 'shhhh!' me all the time, but the one time I do it while I'm watching a very important Colts game I get an axe hanging over my head. |
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| 19:21.00 | dataw0lf | I mean, honestly, I get talked to all the time while I'm trying to program at home and I don't get angry or even worry about it. But, sheesh, one misstep and you're a male chauvanistic pig with no manners |
| 19:21.43 | thebigdog | welcome brother dataw0lf it is nice of you to join the club |
| 19:22.26 | dataw0lf | unfortunately, I've been a member for quite a while. I'm just choosing to complain about it today because I'm waiting on a WebEx meeting. |
| 19:23.20 | dataw0lf | if I try to ask her something while she's watching America's Top Model I get a stare and a finger to the lips. If I did that you'd find pieces of my body scattered all over Washoe County |
| 19:24.30 | dataw0lf | she just accepted my apology via email. Would a 'it can't be that easy..' be too sarcastic at this point? |
| 19:25.19 | dataw0lf | oh well, I sent it anyways 'it can't be that easy... I'm sending in the mine hunting team.' |
| 19:25.28 | dataw0lf | perhaps my light, sarcastic nature lies at the root of this problem. |
| 19:25.31 | dataw0lf | but I ain't changing. |
| 19:26.04 | swb | dw needs tivo |
| 19:27.14 | dataw0lf | I have TiVo, I just hate using it when I'm sitting down, watching the game raptly, drinking a beer |
| 19:27.35 | swb | you don't use the buffer? |
| 19:27.53 | dataw0lf | of course I do, but it ruins the whole experience of watching the game. |
| 19:27.53 | swb | to pause and rewind live tv? |
| 19:27.58 | dataw0lf | unless you see a great hit |
| 19:28.03 | dataw0lf | and then it's quite enhancing. |
| 19:28.08 | swb | top model = tivo material |
| 19:28.19 | swb | problem solved |
| 19:28.38 | dataw0lf | yea, then she can watch it when I'm outta the house. |
| 19:28.50 | swb | dw needs his and hers tivos |
| 19:29.04 | dataw0lf | course, the complaints resonating from not seeing it live will echo off the walls of our relationship for quite some time |
| 19:29.09 | dataw0lf | man that was poetic |
| 19:29.28 | dataw0lf | I must be reading too much Bukowski |
| 19:29.48 | swb | you reference Bukowski a lot... |
| 19:37.31 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 19:39.02 | thebigdog | i guess it pretty bad when you outsource your article writing to india |
| 19:39.29 | thebigdog | http://builder.com.com/5100-6374_14-5109834.html?tag=search |
| 19:39.43 | thebigdog | an rss article that is killer good |
| 19:39.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, dw |
| 19:39.54 | thebigdog | but im a little bais |
| 19:40.02 | Lone_Wanderer | we can only make a mud together if I'm allowed to persecute idiots |
| 19:40.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not saying I'd ban them outright. But maybe you could implement an "idiot tax" that I can levy on people in exchange for doing or saying stupid things. |
| 19:44.08 | jsmith | What, a lottery? |
| 19:44.21 | Lone_Wanderer | :D |
| 19:44.29 | jsmith | A tax on people who are bad at math? |
| 19:44.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I read something that said that, for poor people, playing the lottery is actually a smart thing. |
| 19:44.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't recall the details but it was written by an economist. |
| 19:44.59 | Lone_Wanderer | And that means that it must be true! |
| 19:45.10 | jsmith | Yeah, and eating live frogs for breakfast is good for your indigestion... |
| 19:46.55 | Lone_Wanderer | http://blog.plover.com/risk.html |
| 19:51.58 | thebigdog | lol...that is good blog...i think i need a loto ticket instead of the candy bar |
| 19:52.18 | thebigdog | timinator you want to play |
| 19:52.25 | thebigdog | ~bang |
| 19:52.35 | jbot | BANG! |
| 19:55.03 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Do you really think I have an objections to treating idiots like... well... idiots? |
| 19:55.11 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: sup |
| 19:55.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess not. |
| 19:56.19 | dataw0lf | swb: do I? |
| 19:57.52 | swb | dataw0lf: I guess it's more like "occasionally" but I was just noticing |
| 19:58.39 | dataw0lf | what you mean is I'm a male chauvanistic pig like bukowski, don't you?!?! |
| 19:59.28 | swb | lol |
| 20:01.12 | dataw0lf | just acting like my girlfriend. |
| 20:01.19 | dataw0lf | WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN IS I'M FAT!! |
| 20:01.37 | dataw0lf | 'I just asked if you wanted some of my lasagna. 'Twas supposed to be polite.' |
| 20:01.59 | swb | don't worry dw, if she yells at you, it just means she like you |
| 20:02.09 | dataw0lf | she said that too... |
| 20:02.17 | swb | s/like/likes/ |
| 20:02.29 | dataw0lf | there has to be some female conspiracy whose objective is to completely confuse men the world over |
| 20:02.40 | Lone_Wanderer | It's called estrogen. |
| 20:03.13 | swb | I like to give my hubby tips... "what you should have just said is... "would you like to have some of my lasagna because I love you so much and you're so cute?"" |
| 20:03.24 | dataw0lf | not all women are insane. Just most of them. |
| 20:03.39 | dataw0lf | swb: yea, she does that too. |
| 20:03.43 | dataw0lf | after she yells |
| 20:03.47 | swb | I like her |
| 20:04.16 | dataw0lf | that's wonderful. I'm sure she'd let you borrow my independence if you'd like. |
| 20:04.27 | swb | now now |
| 20:04.40 | dataw0lf | yea, it's things like that that inevitably get me in trouble. |
| 20:05.34 | swb | you haven't learned all the rules yet? |
| 20:05.52 | dataw0lf | Oh, I've learned most of them. I just ignore them at opportune times for the sake of humor. |
| 20:06.00 | swb | lol |
| 20:06.14 | dataw0lf | it'd be a lot easier if she wasn't so smart. |
| 20:06.29 | swb | well, then it would be NO FUN |
| 20:06.33 | dataw0lf | so true. |
| 20:06.44 | dataw0lf | and it gets annoying when all of your jokes go over their heads. |
| 20:06.57 | dataw0lf | although it can be pretty funny at times. |
| 20:07.05 | dataw0lf | so the joke pays off either way. |
| 20:07.52 | dataw0lf | back and forth wordplay is pretty entertaining, though. |
| 20:08.18 | dataw0lf | my relationship is a grammatical equivalent to a Shakespeare play. |
| 20:13.44 | timinator | peppered with programming loops to keep it interesting, right DW? |
| 20:14.18 | dataw0lf | heh. Oh, the possibilities of warping that statement into a joke.. |
| 20:14.35 | timinator | hehe |
| 20:15.42 | dataw0lf | If only my girlfriend had a module to allow Python mods.. |
| 20:16.24 | cyco|w | amen |
| 20:16.29 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:17.04 | timinator | if($dishes) { do($dishes); } |
| 20:17.35 | dataw0lf | I think too much time has been spent on her 'Criticize Josh's Driving Ability' and 'Curse at Laptop' modules |
| 20:17.39 | Lone_Wanderer | It doesn't exactly illustrate how wonderfully broken a lot of the site is. |
| 20:17.44 | dataw0lf | probably alot of boilerplate code in there that could be ripped out. |
| 20:18.05 | timinator | lol |
| 20:19.26 | Lone_Wanderer | What would you take out? :p |
| 20:19.36 | timinator | I think, at some level, God is a programmer |
| 20:19.46 | timinator | just look at DNA |
| 20:19.46 | Lone_Wanderer | If I were God, I would be. |
| 20:19.50 | timinator | or Gravity |
| 20:19.56 | dataw0lf | The while(true) { echo('OMG YOURE DRIVING TOO FAST'); } |
| 20:20.07 | timinator | LMAO |
| 20:20.09 | dataw0lf | that'd be the first to go. |
| 20:20.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd write a program called "evolution", put in some initial variables, and then let it run for a few billion years. |
| 20:20.27 | timinator | LW: LOL |
| 20:20.44 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Yea, but I wouldn't add the 'Republican' patch a couple billion down the line. |
| 20:20.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually, no, I'd just put a few universal constants in place and then snap my fingers and create a big bang. |
| 20:20.57 | dataw0lf | I mean really, things shouldn't DEVOLVE. |
| 20:21.12 | Lone_Wanderer | and make sure that the constants allowed for an evolution program to arise |
| 20:21.30 | dataw0lf | I'd create a really, really big version of Tetris. |
| 20:21.32 | Lone_Wanderer | then I'd go play a few rounds of Olympian Golf and come back when the first intelligent life started to spring up. |
| 20:21.54 | Lone_Wanderer | "Ready for souls yet? No? Cool, I can hit the snooze button." |
| 20:22.01 | timinator | why wait? why not create it with the first man and woman? |
| 20:22.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Too much work. |
| 20:22.14 | dataw0lf | programs are supposed to be LOGICAL timinator! |
| 20:22.19 | dataw0lf | sorry, couldn't resist. |
| 20:22.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Too many messy details when you could just set the gravitational constant and the speed of light and a few other things and then let the universe work everything else out on it's own. |
| 20:23.13 | Lone_Wanderer | I think that the spiritual center of my day has arrived. |
| 20:23.20 | timinator | DW LOL |
| 20:23.25 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 20:24.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Nobody? :( |
| 20:24.56 | thebigdog | one sec |
| 20:25.00 | thebigdog | thinking about it |
| 20:25.01 | timinator | :/ |
| 20:25.07 | dataw0lf | no idea. |
| 20:25.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Douglas Adams |
| 20:25.23 | cyco|w | "thinking about it" = frantically searching google |
| 20:25.29 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 20:26.23 | thebigdog | i was thinking guide but i dont remember that from the book |
| 20:26.33 | dataw0lf | I wonder if I could code a realistic smarta$$ bot with Google and inventive text parsing. |
| 20:26.35 | cyco|w | i don't either.. |
| 20:26.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know which of his books it's from but he talks about the Holy Order of Lunching Friars |
| 20:27.04 | dataw0lf | and then never visit IRC again, yet still reap the rewards of being the resident troll |
| 20:27.09 | Lone_Wanderer | who believe that just as lunchtime is the center of man's temporal day, so also should it be the center of his spiritual day |
| 20:27.18 | dataw0lf | which mostly involves a lot of back patting. |
| 20:30.55 | thebigdog | dude you dont know mutha's day out..so dont knock it |
| 20:31.21 | dataw0lf | I've heard Mutha's Day Out before. |
| 20:31.29 | thebigdog | sure man |
| 20:31.32 | macnewbold | ~find dataw0lf's brain |
| 20:31.47 | dataw0lf | Chrysalis Records? |
| 20:31.55 | dataw0lf | Huey Lewis and the News is my thang |
| 20:32.08 | macnewbold | ~wake jbot |
| 20:32.09 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on jbot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:32.26 | thebigdog | dataw0lf wow you are like the only person i know that has heard of them |
| 20:33.08 | dataw0lf | they're ok |
| 20:33.11 | macnewbold | ~find dataw0lfs brain |
| 20:33.11 | dataw0lf | I was just giving you crap |
| 20:33.25 | dataw0lf | ~find my brain |
| 20:33.33 | thebigdog | a lot better than lp |
| 20:34.11 | dataw0lf | tis all about 311 when it comes to music like that |
| 20:34.26 | thebigdog | im not big on 311...live stuff ive seen sucks |
| 20:34.31 | thebigdog | do they have a new frontman? |
| 20:35.18 | dataw0lf | dunno, after Evolver I stopped listening to them. |
| 20:36.30 | thebigdog | lol |
| 20:37.56 | thebigdog | transister is prob my fav album |
| 20:37.59 | dataw0lf | I just listen to RATM 99% of the time and branch out every once and a while. |
| 20:38.08 | dataw0lf | I like From Chaos. I didn't like it at first, but it grew on me. |
| 20:39.25 | Lone_Wanderer | uh oh, boss meeting |
| 20:39.27 | thebigdog | im not a big fan of rocha...but morello is a guitar guru |
| 20:39.37 | dataw0lf | pshaw, they're all awesome. |
| 20:39.40 | dataw0lf | lyrics = amazing |
| 20:39.43 | dataw0lf | guitar = amazing |
| 20:39.48 | dataw0lf | bass = super funky amazing |
| 20:39.52 | dataw0lf | drums = amazing |
| 20:41.23 | dataw0lf | You don't need money, don't take fame |
| 20:41.30 | dataw0lf | don't need no credit card to ride this train |
| 20:43.31 | thebigdog | +1 lyrics. |
| 20:44.28 | wps | Scissor Sisters ++ |
| 20:45.59 | dataw0lf | Scissor Sisters rock teh house. |
| 20:46.08 | timinator | they're alright |
| 20:46.38 | dataw0lf | You can stay up late |
| 20:46.42 | dataw0lf | cuz baby you're a full grown man |
| 20:46.53 | dataw0lf | It's a struggle |
| 20:46.58 | dataw0lf | Livin' like a good boy oughta |
| 20:47.06 | dataw0lf | that song just rocks hard |
| 20:48.50 | drip | anyone know much about ECS motherboards? |
| 20:51.45 | jsmith | They're awful. |
| 20:51.57 | jsmith | At least, in my experience they have been. |
| 20:53.26 | drip | what kind of problems? |
| 21:14.00 | dataw0lf | what should i eat at panda express |
| 21:14.11 | swb | orange chicken |
| 21:15.03 | dataw0lf | ircing while driving this has to be illegal |
| 21:15.20 | swb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.33 | dataw0lf | har har |
| 21:15.39 | swb | lol |
| 21:16.01 | Lone_Wanderer | you're! YOU'RE! |
| 21:16.19 | swb | YOU\'RE |
| 21:16.37 | dataw0lf | swb beat me to it |
| 21:17.21 | dataw0lf | its all bout heredocs anyway |
| 21:18.05 | dataw0lf | mm i smell le food |
| 21:20.25 | Lone_Wanderer | So DW. |
| 21:20.57 | Lone_Wanderer | MUD. Magic. etc. I was thinking of creating a sort of "mana calculus" which would be used in place of traditional spell casting. |
| 21:25.05 | dataw0lf | ounds strange |
| 21:26.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, it would be. |
| 21:29.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not even sure how it would work, exactly, except that whatever the system is should be internally consistent. |
| 21:47.34 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: are you talking about a dynamic spell creation system or.. ? |
| 21:47.39 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 21:48.02 | thebigdog | has anyone used twisted? |
| 21:48.18 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: I've done something similar before |
| 21:48.21 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:48.22 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: yes. |
| 21:48.23 | Lone_Wanderer | how did it work? |
| 21:48.28 | dataw0lf | pretty well. |
| 21:48.29 | thebigdog | is it anygood |
| 21:48.36 | dataw0lf | no. |
| 21:48.38 | dataw0lf | well |
| 21:48.41 | dataw0lf | no, not really. |
| 21:49.55 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, what does it give just some network features |
| 21:50.33 | wps | this URL work for anyone? |
| 21:50.33 | thebigdog | oh i got it |
| 21:50.34 | wps | http://gui.interacto.net/ |
| 21:50.51 | thebigdog | no |
| 21:51.41 | swb | wps: doesn't work for me |
| 21:51.48 | wps | k |
| 21:51.49 | wps | thanks |
| 21:54.19 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: much more than that. it's a total network framework. |
| 21:54.55 | fungus | PING gui.interacto.net (205.209.111.144): 56 data bytes |
| 21:54.55 | fungus | 36 bytes from zoc-tci-sfo24.zocalo.net (157.22.10.94): Destination Host Unreachable |
| 21:54.58 | thebigdog | yeah that is what it looks like |
| 21:58.28 | *** part/#uphpu bradym (n=bradym@bradym.agsci.usu.edu) |
| 22:02.23 | mindjuju | hey dataw0lf, quick question... let's say you've got 3 computers on a network. 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2 and on the 3rd computer you gave it 192.168.1.3-.254 could a hacker still break into the subnet? I mean with all the IPs taken, where are they going to sit? |
| 22:02.57 | mindjuju | boggles good or boggles bad? |
| 22:03.14 | dataw0lf | if a hacker can access your subnet, they'll hijack an ip address fairly easy |
| 22:03.25 | mindjuju | yeah, but it would have an IP conflict |
| 22:03.38 | dataw0lf | not if they poison arp |
| 22:03.38 | macnewbold | but that won't stop it from communicating |
| 22:03.51 | macnewbold | in fact, they could hijack a mac address if they wanted |
| 22:03.57 | dataw0lf | yar. |
| 22:04.03 | macnewbold | not to mention sniffing all your traffic |
| 22:04.15 | macnewbold | check out dsniff |
| 22:04.24 | mindjuju | i'll have to check it out |
| 22:04.41 | dataw0lf | don't worry about occupying all the ip addresses on your subnet |
| 22:05.12 | mindjuju | i wasn't. twas just an idea that poped into me head |
| 22:05.35 | dataw0lf | yea, it's not important. |
| 22:05.36 | mindjuju | i figured if it were that easy, everybody'd be doing it |
| 22:05.44 | dataw0lf | but subnetting correctly is |
| 22:06.03 | dataw0lf | if you don't fathom that you're going to take up 250 odd ip addresses, just subnet it small. |
| 22:07.31 | mindjuju | hey, did you see that atoponce wants to be in on the action next time we argue enviroment? |
| 22:08.06 | dataw0lf | no. |
| 22:08.19 | mindjuju | i think we should make up a blog. somebody throws a topic, and you and I go pro / con on it |
| 22:08.40 | mindjuju | we'll be famous! |
| 22:08.42 | dataw0lf | I'd rather argue evolution again. I, personally, don't care about whether polar bears go extinct or if a hurricane hits the southeast hard. |
| 22:08.55 | dataw0lf | that's not a bad idea. |
| 22:09.10 | dataw0lf | people can join our club to be able to argue on a topic |
| 22:09.12 | macnewbold | make a new section on UPHPU or something |
| 22:09.25 | dataw0lf | it could be like 'MINDJUJU VERSUS BIGDOG: <topic>' |
| 22:09.38 | mindjuju | it could be tons of fun |
| 22:09.46 | dataw0lf | and we can call ourselves my old standby, 'The Blog Jihad' |
| 22:09.49 | macnewbold | UPHPU Philosophical Smackdown |
| 22:10.05 | mindjuju | we should think about it, seriously |
| 22:10.25 | mindjuju | then we can have people comment on what we think |
| 22:10.25 | _psychic_ | (*after* the MUD) |
| 22:10.28 | Lone_Wanderer | that'd be awesome |
| 22:10.33 | dataw0lf | I could just throw up a simple wiki app on my site and we can modify the code as we go |
| 22:10.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd totally join DW's team. (Sorry Mindjuju.) |
| 22:11.09 | thebigdog | im anti everyone |
| 22:11.12 | mindjuju | no worries, i got enough in these pythons (kisses biceps) to go around |
| 22:11.28 | dataw0lf | Python weeps that your biceps are named after her. |
| 22:11.34 | Lone_Wanderer | It's nothing personal, I just enjoy being on the side that's actually right ;) |
| 22:11.38 | dataw0lf | what's a good lightweight wiki? |
| 22:11.50 | thebigdog | not twiki for sure |
| 22:12.08 | mindjuju | i'll be back |
| 22:12.23 | timinator | hey guys |
| 22:12.25 | dataw0lf | UseModWiki I've heard good things about. Course, it's in Perl. |
| 22:12.29 | Lone_Wanderer | heya lumberjack man |
| 22:12.32 | timinator | I'm taking off for a bit of a vacation |
| 22:12.40 | timinator | LW: :) |
| 22:12.44 | Lone_Wanderer | to the boundary waters? :p |
| 22:12.59 | timinator | nope |
| 22:13.08 | Lone_Wanderer | And you call yourself a lumberjack. Pfsh. |
| 22:13.18 | timinator | :) |
| 22:13.23 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a protected... area... |
| 22:13.32 | Lone_Wanderer | along the border of the US and Canada |
| 22:13.52 | Lone_Wanderer | lots of lakes, lots of trees, and no motorized vehicles allowed in (or over) it |
| 22:14.11 | macnewbold | then how are you supposed to cut the trees down? |
| 22:14.16 | timinator | umm... we log in Southern Cali and New Mexico area.... |
| 22:14.28 | timinator | also picked up a new mill in OR |
| 22:14.30 | dataw0lf | hmmm.. TiddlyWiki |
| 22:14.33 | Lone_Wanderer | it's the place where Babe the blue ox supposedly stomped through at one point, thus creating all the lakes |
| 22:14.39 | timinator | but I haven't been there yet |
| 22:14.45 | timinator | I see |
| 22:14.49 | Lone_Wanderer | which is why you should know about it |
| 22:15.05 | timinator | now I do, thanks to you |
| 22:15.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Read more Paul Bunyan! |
| 22:15.18 | timinator | k |
| 22:15.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay I have to go talk to our resident old person so she can edumacate me on how our DID process works |
| 22:15.36 | Lone_Wanderer | so that I can automate it all, thereby coding her out of a job |
| 22:15.44 | *** join/#uphpu wps (n=wps@67.108.236.230.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 22:15.44 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 22:15.48 | timinator | lol |
| 22:15.58 | Lone_Wanderer | or at least, out of the job she's doing now. I'm sure there's plenty more for her to do. |
| 22:15.58 | dataw0lf | jeez TiddlyWiki is gigantic |
| 22:16.00 | dataw0lf | I mean |
| 22:16.06 | dataw0lf | by JavaScript standards |
| 22:16.08 | timinator | I'm out for a bit guys.... like two weeks or so |
| 22:16.13 | Lone_Wanderer | au revoir |
| 22:16.27 | dataw0lf | cya tim |
| 22:16.29 | timinator | Hope everyone has a happy Christmas and New Year |
| 22:16.35 | dataw0lf | you too |
| 22:16.46 | timinator | let |
| 22:17.00 | timinator | let's make it a prosperous New Year for '07 |
| 22:17.42 | *** part/#uphpu timinator (n=timinato@c-67-171-118-199.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:25.14 | swb | for thebigdog, because he's anti everyone: http://calvinandhobbes.kabaal.net/images/1989/03/19890321.gif |
| 22:25.54 | thebigdog | swb...that is thebigdog |
| 22:26.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, time for Spiritual Center of Day to end. A bit late I'm afraid. |
| 22:26.24 | thebigdog | take an hour for lunch |
| 22:26.36 | thebigdog | anyone using mod_proxy with ajax? |
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| 22:26.39 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 22:26.42 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.pillowfightclub.org/ |
| 22:26.53 | Lone_Wanderer | (In case there's anyone here who is not an addicted redditor) |
| 22:30.10 | dataw0lf | that's so a year ago. |
| 22:30.36 | Lone_Wanderer | There needs to be a law |
| 22:30.39 | Lone_Wanderer | like Godwin's law |
| 22:30.58 | Lone_Wanderer | "Anyone who discovers something on the internet more than a month after I discover it is automatically less cool than me." |
| 22:31.19 | dataw0lf | it's implied |
| 22:31.23 | dataw0lf | http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20061219p2a00m0na013000c.html |
| 22:31.34 | _psychic_ | Yeah - its a law like gravity, not taxes. Its one you discover. |
| 22:31.39 | Lone_Wanderer | You could make a formula that describes how quickly your cool points drop in relation to the time it takes you to disccover things. |
| 22:33.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Looks like it's time to start irradiating jeans as well as food. |
| 22:33.24 | dataw0lf | if it's over two days, you're lazy, if it's over a week, you're an idiot, if it's over a year, you're either senile or browsing on the wayback machine. |
| 22:33.57 | swb | I'm thinking of using wordpress as a CMS on my intranet... do you guys have any suggestions in the way of CMSs? |
| 22:34.17 | swb | pro: it's a good excuse to play with wordpress |
| 22:35.32 | _psychic_ | you want an intranet blog? |
| 22:35.55 | swb | no, am using the blog as a cms |
| 22:36.24 | swb | just an idea |
| 22:38.22 | dataw0lf | omgz Plone fope lyfe. |
| 22:40.00 | *** part/#uphpu _psychic_ (n=_psychic@71.32.228.156) |
| 22:40.18 | swb | ick, link not working: http://plone.org/ |
| 22:40.59 | dataw0lf | works for me. |
| 22:41.08 | cyco|w | moi aussi |
| 22:41.27 | swb | must be a firewall thing, damn firewall |
| 22:41.41 | tierra | swb: I use TextPattern, it's nice if I want an _extremely_ flexible API for custom designs: http://ibaku.net/ |
| 22:42.12 | Lone_Wanderer | fope lyfe? |
| 22:42.26 | dataw0lf | FOPE LYFE. |
| 22:42.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ...for life? |
| 22:42.56 | swb | tierra: no feed? |
| 22:42.59 | dataw0lf | well, sure, if you're not 1337. |
| 22:43.07 | cyco|w | like you have a life.. |
| 22:43.29 | cyco|w | oh! |
| 22:43.33 | tierra | swb: it does have feeds, I just don't link them... http://ibaku.net/rss/ |
| 22:43.40 | Lone_Wanderer | A girl once emailed me on ldslinkup, all in l337speak, because I had that I was a programmer in my profile |
| 22:44.05 | swb | tierra: ahah, I must add you to my blog collection then |
| 22:44.19 | Lone_Wanderer | when I told her, as politely as possible, that serious programmers don't use leetspeak, she made fun of me |
| 22:44.51 | tierra | swb: if you want, but I'm really lazy about posting if you look at the dates of my last posts |
| 22:45.08 | tierra | hehe |
| 22:45.09 | Lone_Wanderer | If I don't look at the dates of your last posts, will you become less lazy? ;) |
| 22:45.14 | swb | it's okay, it's a a uphpu blog collection |
| 22:46.20 | fungus | Wow, I won't feel so bad about being slow on my blog. |
| 22:46.45 | fungus | sweet, I love Firefox 2's new way of handling rss feeds. |
| 22:47.04 | tierra | fungus: yeah, it's nice |
| 22:47.37 | swb | I love the spell checker |
| 22:47.43 | swb | ... in ff2 that is |
| 22:47.43 | fungus | I just clicked the link in Xchat, and it subscribed to the feed in my feed reader. wow. |
| 22:47.56 | swb | what feed reader? |
| 22:47.59 | fungus | yeah, spell checking is nice. |
| 22:48.20 | fungus | I use either Liferea, or Vienna depending on the machine I am on. |
| 22:48.39 | swb | I'm pretty partial to google reader |
| 22:49.07 | Lone_Wanderer | http://ebullshit.com/provo/061218.jpg - a partridge in a pear tree |
| 22:50.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, I guess it's actually a quail in a cherry tree. |
| 22:51.46 | Lone_Wanderer | "the real tours never include important, interesting information like "thats where old Charlie got stabbed", and "thats a good spot, out of the wind and rain, and we all fight for it in winter"." |
| 22:54.18 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 22:54.21 | dataw0lf | http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3609/ |
| 22:54.31 | dataw0lf | I hit that guy in the head at a frat fight one time. |
| 22:54.40 | dataw0lf | stupid IU students. |
| 22:55.18 | Lone_Wanderer | He's six foot eleven |
| 22:55.22 | Lone_Wanderer | and *you* hit him in the head? |
| 22:56.22 | dataw0lf | he was on top of a guy who was like 5'1" pounding him into the floor, I had no idea how big he was, he was crouching. |
| 22:57.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 22:57.16 | Lone_Wanderer | do much damage? |
| 22:57.50 | dataw0lf | yea, I gave him a bloody ear |
| 22:58.18 | dataw0lf | then he wanted to wrestle with me. he's 7 feet tall, you can imagine about where my fist would be at my chest level. |
| 22:58.39 | dataw0lf | so, that was a mistake. |
| 23:03.32 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 23:03.42 | dataw0lf | I'm rethinking this parser design |
| 23:04.07 | dataw0lf | perhaps I should make each rule a derived object from a parent class? |
| 23:04.24 | dataw0lf | instead of just each rule as a function. |
| 23:21.13 | dataw0lf | http://cognitivelabs.com/word_shoot.htm |
| 23:37.59 | wps | that's an interesting game |
| 23:38.06 | wps | to practice typing? |
| 23:38.32 | thebigdog | it is kinda fun |
| 23:44.25 | wps | current score: 25440 |
| 23:45.00 | thebigdog | pretty good...i had to stop at 17000 cause boss was comin |
| 23:45.25 | dataw0lf | cognitivelabs has got some pretty cool stuff |
| 23:49.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it possible to do queries across databases? |
| 23:51.49 | dataw0lf | what DBMS? |
| 23:52.03 | Lone_Wanderer | MySQL |
| 23:52.17 | dataw0lf | yes |
| 23:52.22 | Lone_Wanderer | k cool |
| 23:52.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to build the DID database with that thing whose name I suddenly can't... django, that's it. |
| 23:53.04 | dataw0lf | coo |
| 23:53.38 | thebigdog | you can query different dbs too if you like |
| 23:54.36 | Lone_Wanderer | what do you mean, thebigdog? |
| 23:54.38 | dataw0lf | man I wouldn't mind global warming so much if it'd snow already in the mountains |
| 23:54.50 | dataw0lf | s/this/his |
| 23:54.54 | dataw0lf | s/this/his/ |
| 23:54.54 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, you can query pgsql and mysql if you like |
| 23:55.05 | dataw0lf | har har jbot har har |
| 23:55.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, that way we can use Django's automatic admin tool to do the more mundane rate center population, etc. |
| 23:55.22 | Lone_Wanderer | thebigdog: so I can make a single query that spans both MySQL and pgsql?? |
| 23:55.51 | thebigdog | the query you might be able to use if you have very stand sql...but the connection would be unique |
| 23:56.21 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 23:56.29 | dataw0lf | how would that work? |
| 23:56.40 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v dataw0lf] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Right but I couldn't, say, perform a join between two tables, one of which is on MySQL and the other of which is on pgsql |
| 23:56.53 | Lone_Wanderer | could I? |
| 23:56.55 | dataw0lf | no possible way I can think of. |
| 23:56.56 | thebigdog | nope |
| 23:57.05 | Lone_Wanderer | okay I thought that's what you meant :p |
| 23:57.17 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what I was asking - is it possible to join across databases within MySQL |
| 23:57.24 | dataw0lf | yes. |
| 23:57.26 | Lone_Wanderer | ok cool |
| 23:57.29 | thebigdog | technically you probably could do it from psql to mysql but it would require some extensive programming |
| 23:57.40 | dataw0lf | some sort of communication mechanism |
| 23:57.45 | Lone_Wanderer | programming in C, on the database engine itself? :p |
| 23:57.48 | dataw0lf | I mean, you could do it from 'client side' |
| 23:58.02 | dataw0lf | but you'd still be doing two separate query connections and just performing some magic |
| 23:58.07 | thebigdog | well you can write a psql stored proc that can query a mysql db |
| 23:58.09 | dataw0lf | (client side) |
| 23:58.19 | Lone_Wanderer | well obviously I could select all the ID's from pgsql and then select from mysql where id = (list of pgsql ID's) |
| 23:58.44 | Lone_Wanderer | pgsql can query a mysql database? |
| 23:58.55 | thebigdog | you could write the code to do it |
| 23:59.03 | Lone_Wanderer | in what language? |
| 23:59.08 | Lone_Wanderer | pl/sql? |
| 23:59.10 | thebigdog | like using python, perl, tk |
| 23:59.12 | dataw0lf | well, not in a stored procedure |
| 23:59.32 | dataw0lf | and I don't know, does plsql offer socket connections? |
| 23:59.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Obviously if I were willing to modify pgsql itself by diving into the actual C that controls the database itself, I could feasibly do anything. |
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| 23:59.54 | thebigdog | not sure if plsql does...but python or another lang might |
