| 00:00.01 | bigdog_ut | we are waiting for next season |
| 00:00.15 | bigdog_ut | i tried to get him to watch some hockey but that was a no go |
| 00:04.24 | _psychic_ | right on |
| 00:04.27 | _psychic_ | gnite guys |
| 00:04.32 | bigdog_ut | night |
| 00:14.47 | *** part/#uphpu _psychic_ (n=_psychic@71.32.228.156) |
| 00:17.14 | mindjuju | this is too cool! Fight the bots! |
| 00:17.15 | mindjuju | http://www.turnstep.com/Spambot/ |
| 00:17.37 | mindjuju | (course, i have all but 1 form in a registered portion of the site) |
| 00:22.23 | swb | die spambots! |
| 00:23.10 | swb | have you guys heard about firebug?!?!!? |
| 00:23.25 | mindjuju | haven't |
| 00:23.45 | swb | new designsimply post: http://designsimply.com/2006/12/12/web-developer-tool-of-the-year/ |
| 00:24.14 | swb | it seriously rocks |
| 00:24.23 | swb | if wps doesn't already have it, he's gonna love it |
| 00:24.45 | bigdog_ut | swb yes i use it all the time |
| 00:24.54 | swb | it's so cool |
| 00:25.00 | mindjuju | oh, for FF |
| 00:25.04 | mindjuju | yup, i got it |
| 00:25.04 | bigdog_ut | i use it with venkman too |
| 00:25.17 | bigdog_ut | for javascript venkman and firebug are the best |
| 00:25.19 | mindjuju | venkman - cool name |
| 00:25.21 | mindjuju | what is it? |
| 00:25.30 | bigdog_ut | javascript debugger |
| 00:25.35 | mindjuju | oh cool |
| 00:25.35 | bigdog_ut | one of the best |
| 00:25.37 | swb | it's an everything debugger |
| 00:25.51 | swb | you can edit html and css and javascript for any web page on the fly |
| 00:25.59 | bigdog_ut | if you are familiar with the ghsotbusters you will know that mozilla uses alot from that movie |
| 00:26.46 | swb | watch the screencast: http://soylentfoo.jnewland.com/articles/2006/12/08/firebug-10-screencast |
| 00:26.51 | mindjuju | the HTML tool i like to design in besides dreamweave and better than notepad is -- http://htmledit.squarefree.com/ |
| 00:27.17 | mindjuju | i used to use it when was teaching HTML workshops |
| 00:27.22 | swb | dirct screencast link: |
| 00:27.23 | swb | http://soylentfoo.jnewland.com/articles/2006/12/08/firebug |
| 00:27.27 | swb | aack |
| 00:27.36 | swb | http://files.jnewland.com/firebug.mov |
| 00:28.20 | swb | I like the glowy cursor in the screencast, I wonder what program he used to create it |
| 00:30.14 | swb | firebug let's you see the ajax calls happening on the page live |
| 00:31.02 | bigdog_ut | some mac one |
| 00:31.38 | bigdog_ut | its called glowy podcast |
| 00:32.38 | bigdog_ut | lol joking |
| 00:32.39 | swb | awww |
| 00:33.00 | bigdog_ut | i love regex |
| 00:33.06 | swb | hey, it gets only one result... isn't there a special name for that on google? |
| 00:33.16 | herlo | googlewhack |
| 00:33.30 | swb | yeah, that's it |
| 00:33.30 | herlo | googlewhack.com I think |
| 00:33.53 | herlo | ~last Utah_Dave |
| 00:34.12 | herlo | ~seen Utah_Dave |
| 00:34.30 | jbot | utah_dave <n=boucha@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 2h 19m 37s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 00:34.56 | bigdog_ut | swb what gets one result |
| 00:35.05 | swb | 'glowy podcast' |
| 00:35.22 | swb | in quotes |
| 00:36.03 | bigdog_ut | thats not a googlewhack though |
| 00:36.05 | herlo | swb, that probably won't pass the rules at googlewhack |
| 00:36.15 | herlo | quotes can't be there |
| 00:36.41 | swb | go ahead, rain on my parage |
| 00:36.47 | swb | s/parage/parade/ |
| 00:37.16 | herlo | swb: we still like you ;) |
| 00:37.23 | swb | are you guys into LinkedIn? |
| 00:37.28 | herlo | it's just unfortunate |
| 00:37.34 | herlo | swb: have an account, yes |
| 00:37.44 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 00:37.46 | herlo | swb: do much with it, no? |
| 00:37.53 | swb | just wondering? |
| 00:37.54 | bigdog_ut | i have 1 person in my network |
| 00:37.57 | herlo | swb: it's okay |
| 00:37.57 | bigdog_ut | me |
| 00:38.00 | swb | I read an article about it |
| 00:38.14 | swb | seems it might be good for future job searching |
| 00:38.18 | herlo | swb: it's apparently good for business types to network |
| 00:38.33 | swb | social sites aren't really my forte though |
| 00:38.33 | herlo | I know that Jordy Gunderson got himself hired by doing stuff like that |
| 00:38.37 | swb | what about myspace? |
| 00:38.42 | herlo | swb: got one too |
| 00:38.58 | swb | yep, link me up |
| 00:39.11 | swb | wait, let me send you an invitation... |
| 00:41.26 | swb | herlo, I can't find you on LinkedIn |
| 00:41.39 | herlo | swb, I'm herlo |
| 00:42.19 | swb | still can't find you |
| 00:43.01 | herlo | swb, what's yours, I'll send you an invite |
| 00:44.07 | fungus | whoa. Firebug is totally sweet. |
| 00:45.35 | swb | hehe |
| 00:45.48 | swb | firebug is debugging enlightenment |
| 00:46.10 | macnewbold | I'm on LinkedIn too |
| 00:46.23 | macnewbold | anyone who wants is welcome to connect to me - mac at macnewbold dot com |
| 00:46.24 | fungus | I used to like the Web Developer extension, but this totally whoops ass |
| 00:49.06 | swb | awww, linkedin.com isn't working for me... |
| 00:49.21 | fungus | FYI: when buying heatsinks for 1U servers, pay close attention to the direction of the fins. |
| 00:49.29 | herlo | swb: it's really slow |
| 00:49.47 | swb | I know! what's up with that? |
| 00:50.22 | herlo | swb: nice, I get a blank page |
| 00:50.51 | swb | I'm getting a 'too many connections' error |
| 00:51.05 | herlo | probably. I'll have to send the invite later |
| 00:51.52 | mindjuju | well, that's the problem with those sites |
| 00:52.08 | mindjuju | as they become more popular they become exponentially larger |
| 00:52.26 | herlo | mindjuju: true, but if they keep up with the load, it's money in their pockets |
| 00:53.07 | mindjuju | that's true, but it'd wager scalability thresholds happen in months not years for them |
| 00:53.17 | herlo | mindjuju: probably |
| 00:53.34 | mindjuju | and even those become increasingly faster |
| 00:53.39 | herlo | mindjuju: there's got to be a way to track that information in an easier way... |
| 00:53.50 | mindjuju | on the other, Google found a way to handle the popularity |
| 00:53.55 | herlo | maybe have the database information be loaded when requested... |
| 00:53.58 | mindjuju | and there workload is no less |
| 00:54.04 | herlo | right |
| 00:54.19 | mindjuju | course they went with massive arrrays of cheap computers in geographic locations |
| 00:54.26 | mindjuju | i love google, i wish i were that smart |
| 00:55.24 | swb | today, I was thinking of goals.... one of mine is to learn to be good at public speaking |
| 00:55.35 | swb | ... write really interesting blog posts |
| 00:55.55 | swb | ... submit a design to csszengarden.com |
| 00:55.55 | mindjuju | are these new year resolutions? |
| 00:55.58 | herlo | swb: you should come work for Guru Labs, it'll cure you of any fears of public speaking and it'll help you become a very well prepared speaker |
| 00:55.59 | fungus | sounds like you are volunteering to present at a future UPHPU meeting |
| 00:56.20 | mindjuju | fungus! sup! |
| 00:56.29 | swb | not new years resolutions, more like my "list" |
| 00:56.52 | fungus | mindjuju: fighting with crummy hardware. |
| 00:56.53 | swb | goal: give a UPHPU presentation |
| 00:57.26 | swb | Guru Labs huh? |
| 00:57.38 | herlo | swb: yeah |
| 00:57.48 | fungus | swb: they don't have to be perfect like macnewbold's are. |
| 00:57.50 | herlo | swb: great place to work, but you've got to know your Linux |
| 00:58.19 | herlo | fungus: but it doesn't hurt |
| 00:58.22 | mindjuju | in china |
| 00:58.53 | herlo | mindjuju: and now all they can say is "sweet, I want to code in javascript and css too!" |
| 00:58.59 | swb | herlo: quick, I need to learn linux then! |
| 00:58.59 | herlo | ;0 |
| 00:59.00 | mindjuju | heh |
| 00:59.03 | herlo | ;) |
| 00:59.09 | herlo | swb: it takes no time |
| 00:59.25 | mindjuju | herlo, seriously though, when you go in front of the class, don't you feel like Johnny Carson |
| 00:59.34 | swb | was thinkig of installing ubuntu and setting up a little web server at home... |
| 00:59.42 | herlo | it's as intuitive as chick sexing |
| 00:59.43 | swb | I installed Red Hat once |
| 00:59.49 | swb | lol |
| 00:59.57 | herlo | swb: RHEL is what I usually teach |
| 01:00.26 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah, not really. I think of myself as a glorified nerd who gets the opportunity to tell others how cool Linux is every day... |
| 01:00.40 | herlo | mindjuju: but I do get to tell lame jokes all day |
| 01:01.10 | mindjuju | i just had a 2 day old burritto |
| 01:01.19 | mindjuju | i hope your thai food is cold and smelly |
| 01:01.31 | swb | ewwww |
| 01:01.37 | herlo | swb: linkedin invite sent |
| 01:01.55 | herlo | mindjuju: company is paying for it, so if it sucks, I'll just go somewhere else |
| 01:02.00 | swb | herlo: accepted |
| 01:02.07 | herlo_dinner | swb: cool |
| 01:05.27 | swb | time for dinner |
| 01:05.40 | swb | cya l8r |
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| 02:36.56 | mindjuju | i love that song, definintely on the top 20 |
| 02:37.10 | herlo_dinner | mindjuju: Dream On! |
| 02:37.20 | herlo_dinner | Dream until your dream comes true! |
| 02:37.38 | mindjuju | how was the thai? |
| 02:43.44 | dataw0lf | heeeey drunk again and Jovon is hitting me yay! |
| 02:45.19 | burnin | dataw0lf, whats your poison? |
| 02:54.43 | mindjuju | /s/captin/captain |
| 02:55.12 | mindjuju | s/captin/captain |
| 02:55.23 | mindjuju | oh well... |
| 03:00.21 | herlo_dinner | mindjuju: decided against the thai, in Dallas if the place ain't hoppin at 8pm, it probably isn't worth going to |
| 03:00.29 | herlo_dinner | went for pizza instead |
| 03:01.11 | mindjuju | pizza sounds good, maybe i should order some! |
| 03:36.26 | macnewbold | oh, c'mon |
| 03:36.33 | macnewbold | I just finished a nice meal of Indian food |
| 03:36.56 | mindjuju | oh! |
| 03:36.59 | mindjuju | where from? |
| 03:37.00 | macnewbold | chicken tikka masala, mango chicken, saag aloo, nan, and roti. we ordered samosas, but they never showed up. |
| 03:37.13 | macnewbold | Bombay House (foothill & I-80/21st south) |
| 03:37.37 | mindjuju | it's funny you say that (that's part of the reason i was thinking we should eat on the east side) |
| 03:37.40 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 03:37.45 | macnewbold | there are some good thai places too |
| 03:37.59 | mindjuju | i knew it was over there somewhere cause when we had a phlyte meeting, i got lost looking for your place and found bombay |
| 03:38.15 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 05:58.54 | mindjuju | dag nab IE! |
| 05:58.57 | mindjuju | ~curse IE |
| 05:59.20 | jbot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, IE ! |
| 05:59.21 | mindjuju | ~abuse IE |
| 05:59.27 | jbot | ACTION smacks IE across the face. "Take that, sucker!" |
| 05:59.27 | macnewbold | haha |
| 05:59.31 | macnewbold | someone having a bad day? |
| 05:59.32 | mindjuju | wow |
| 05:59.45 | mindjuju | k, i'm going to tell ya a story, your just going to howl about |
| 05:59.48 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 05:59.50 | macnewbold | great |
| 05:59.53 | macnewbold | I'm in the mood for a good story |
| 06:00.08 | mindjuju | but i'm coding a page, and there is this big gap, about 20px that's cause this box to look a little lumpy |
| 06:00.28 | mindjuju | so i figure, i'm going to load it in FF, use firebug to see what's cause the box to go 20px too tall |
| 06:00.34 | mindjuju | and FF renders it right, no spaces |
| 06:00.51 | mindjuju | so can't use firebug to tell me, cause it works in compliant browser, just not in IE |
| 06:01.14 | mindjuju | i'm getting to really hate IE |
| 06:22.18 | macnewbold | mindjuju: firebug lite might help - it works in safari and IE |
| 06:22.24 | macnewbold | it's a javascript addon |
| 06:23.01 | mindjuju | that'd be cool, it'd be nice to see what the heck is going on in IEs head |
| 06:23.09 | mindjuju | what you still doing working? Gradefix? |
| 06:27.20 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 06:27.28 | macnewbold | had some big breakthroughs tonight |
| 06:28.28 | mindjuju | way cool! |
| 06:28.42 | mindjuju | i'm getting ready to do some breakthroughs myself |
| 06:29.00 | mindjuju | like putting the "Marketing Director" through the wall |
| 06:29.16 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 06:29.50 | mindjuju | self-titled goofus, he slopped together a mess of crap no better than sophmore level HS verbage for this site i'm getting ready to roll |
| 06:30.35 | mindjuju | i've had to reroute everything and get some proofers, a content editor and some other people on this gibberish and try to salvage what we can, and rewrite where needed |
| 06:30.36 | mindjuju | it's horrible |
| 06:31.16 | macnewbold | yeah, that's fun |
| 06:31.32 | mindjuju | who write's ya'lls content? |
| 06:31.40 | mindjuju | the site owner or do ya'll have somebody? |
| 06:44.10 | macnewbold | like the design, it gets provided to us |
| 06:44.20 | macnewbold | we have some copywriters who we can hook people up with if necessary |
| 06:44.24 | macnewbold | usually it isn't terrible |
| 06:44.29 | macnewbold | but sometimes it is pretty bad |
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| 13:58.52 | timinator | morning guys |
| 14:05.20 | drip | good morning |
| 14:07.37 | herlo | morning |
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| 14:30.38 | Utah_Dave | herlo: you around? |
| 14:31.23 | Utah_Dave | how about you, bigdog_ut? |
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| 15:07.26 | dataw0lf | morning |
| 15:07.33 | dataw0lf | win 7 |
| 15:07.37 | dataw0lf | eh |
| 15:09.03 | timinator | morning DW |
| 15:10.38 | dataw0lf | eeeehhhh hangooooover |
| 15:11.11 | dataw0lf | too many things to celebrate around the holidays |
| 15:16.41 | Utah_Dave | morning dataw0lf |
| 15:17.34 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I'm running Fedora Core 6. If I can see 4 procesors in the system monitor, I must be running an smp kernel, right? |
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| 15:33.51 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: yes |
| 15:34.07 | Utah_Dave | thanks, I just wanted to make sure |
| 15:40.06 | _psychic__ | morning everyone |
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| 15:55.17 | herlo | Utah_Dave: 4 procs? |
| 15:55.28 | herlo | wow! |
| 16:20.40 | Utah_Dave | herlo: yeah, just got a new server at work |
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| 16:47.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone in Salt Lake looking for a job? |
| 16:49.00 | macnewbold | what kind of job? |
| 16:49.23 | macnewbold | I'm sure there's someone looking |
| 16:50.46 | dataw0lf | anyone know of an image map version of this : http://localedu.com/ that I can totally rip off? |
| 16:53.57 | macnewbold | no, but when you find one, let me know! :) |
| 16:54.41 | bigdog_ut | herlo, you around? |
| 16:56.46 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?contentId=17943&contentType=GSA_BASIC |
| 16:57.35 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: Dude! You rock! |
| 16:57.54 | dataw0lf | danke very much |
| 16:58.02 | wps | pet peeve of the day: |
| 16:58.11 | Utah_Dave | you're welcome |
| 16:58.19 | wps | "Viewing these documents requires Adobe Acrobat Reader" |
| 16:58.32 | wps | first, the product is called Adobe Reader |
| 16:58.36 | wps | and second, that's hogwash |
| 16:58.51 | wps | it requires a PDF reader/viewer, but it doesn't have to be Adobe Reader |
| 16:58.56 | wps | thanks, I'm done |
| 17:00.08 | timinator | as I recall... it used to be called Adobe Acrobat Reader as it was seen as a stripped down version of Adobe Acrobat.... and as I recall, around that time there were no other apps for viewing PDF files |
| 17:00.19 | timinator | so, perhaps, they simply haven't gotten w/ the times |
| 17:00.23 | timinator | :) |
| 17:00.29 | wps | 'tis true |
| 17:01.27 | timinator | I should probably check my error messages to see if they're up with the times |
| 17:01.30 | timinator | :) |
| 17:01.37 | bigdog_ut | anyone know how to restart udev on redhat without rebooting? |
| 17:02.36 | Utah_Dave | bigdog_ut: rm -f / |
| 17:02.40 | dataw0lf | don't think there is a way |
| 17:02.44 | Utah_Dave | (that's for yesterday) :) |
| 17:02.54 | dataw0lf | the tmpfs has to be mounted over it |
| 17:02.57 | wps | isn't it sudo rm -rf /, Utah_Dave ? |
| 17:03.22 | Utah_Dave | dang! |
| 17:03.33 | bigdog_ut | gentoo allows you to do it |
| 17:03.34 | dataw0lf | not if you're in a position to reboot udev, it ain't. |
| 17:03.46 | dataw0lf | that's cuz Gentoo is stoopid |
| 17:03.51 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:03.55 | bigdog_ut | cause it rocks |
| 17:04.06 | com4 | no, gentoo definatly sucks |
| 17:04.24 | *** kick/#uphpu [com4!n=bigdog@208.177.146.102.ptr.us.xo.net] by bigdog_ut (bigdog_ut) |
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| 17:04.43 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut kicks because he has nothing to say. |
| 17:04.51 | dataw0lf | I mean, who can argue with 'Gentoo sucks' |
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| 17:04.57 | dataw0lf | morning com4 |
| 17:05.02 | com4 | oh man, call the aclu |
| 17:05.06 | com4 | :) |
| 17:05.07 | bigdog_ut | gentoo rocks more than anything |
| 17:05.18 | dataw0lf | dude, you don't get out much, do you |
| 17:05.22 | bigdog_ut | all distros are inferior to gentoo |
| 17:05.38 | dataw0lf | you sound like the Third Reich |
| 17:05.41 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf just loves sucky distros |
| 17:05.58 | dataw0lf | I've never made love to Gentoo, sir. |
| 17:06.02 | com4 | bigdog_ut: if you define all distros as the old corel linux... then yeah |
| 17:06.09 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:06.12 | dataw0lf | ooooh *burn* |
| 17:06.14 | bigdog_ut | actually redhat sucks |
| 17:06.19 | dataw0lf | redhat doesn't suck |
| 17:06.23 | bigdog_ut | cause it does not support udevtrigger |
| 17:06.31 | bigdog_ut | or udevcontrol |
| 17:06.33 | dataw0lf | there could be a reason for that... |
| 17:06.41 | dataw0lf | I mean, not like redhat has some of the best kernel developers or anything |
| 17:06.52 | bigdog_ut | they suck |
| 17:07.14 | dataw0lf | I wish they did |
| 17:07.21 | dataw0lf | because then Debian could take over the WOOOOOOOOORLD |
| 17:07.44 | com4 | the constant maitenance you have to perform on gentoo is nuts... it slowly breaks itself and i used slackware for many many years before giving gentoo a try |
| 17:08.13 | com4 | i prefer slackwares package managment system before emerge :) |
| 17:08.36 | dataw0lf | whoooooa buuuuuuuuuuuuurn |
| 17:08.46 | dataw0lf | I cannot signify how much of a burn that was |
| 17:08.52 | dataw0lf | unless I lit bigdog_ut on fire |
| 17:08.59 | dataw0lf | c'mere bigdog |
| 17:09.05 | com4 | heh |
| 17:11.48 | dataw0lf | http://www.liberouter.org/nific/README.php |
| 17:11.50 | dataw0lf | swoot |
| 17:11.58 | dataw0lf | (combination of sweet and woot) |
| 17:12.51 | dataw0lf | uh oh, I think my gf is going to kick this girl at work's butt brb |
| 17:14.55 | dataw0lf | false alarm |
| 17:15.01 | beandog | no girlfriend? |
| 17:15.03 | bigdog_ut | udevstart is the answer before i was gang raped by dataw0lf and com4 |
| 17:15.22 | bigdog_ut | with the same bs that i always here about gentoo |
| 17:15.25 | dataw0lf | beandog: hohoho |
| 17:15.32 | bigdog_ut | emerge thsis and emerge that |
| 17:15.33 | com4 | it's hotter when they fight |
| 17:15.37 | dataw0lf | it's 'hear', and you hear it a lot because it's valid |
| 17:15.38 | bigdog_ut | come up with something new |
| 17:15.41 | beandog | buh, did I miss more Gentoo bashing? |
| 17:15.51 | dataw0lf | when did I mention emerge? |
| 17:16.07 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i have to emerge and it breaks my stuff |
| 17:16.11 | dataw0lf | Gentoo is a decent hobbyist distro. It's just when you expand it to include other areas that I'll 'gang rape' you |
| 17:16.18 | bigdog_ut | but that makes me a better man |
| 17:16.21 | beandog | buh, whatever, dataw0lf |
| 17:16.24 | dataw0lf | including comparing it to RHEL |
| 17:16.30 | bigdog_ut | sure dataw0lf like what? |
| 17:16.33 | beandog | Gentoo puts hair on your chest |
| 17:16.42 | com4 | gentoo makes you bald |
| 17:16.46 | com4 | slackware puts hair on your chest |
| 17:16.51 | dataw0lf | getting hair put on your chest is NOT what you're looking for in any sort of development or corporate environment. |
| 17:17.14 | beandog | Well if you want Enterprise Gentoo, get a support contract with a vendor |
| 17:17.32 | dataw0lf | Enterprise is not just about a support contract. |
| 17:17.49 | bigdog_ut | who ever said gentoo in enterprise |
| 17:17.54 | bigdog_ut | that was not in the conversation |
| 17:18.05 | dataw0lf | I did. I'm just saying that's when I'll argue against Gentoo. |
| 17:18.10 | beandog | ah well |
| 17:18.12 | beandog | who cares, anyway. |
| 17:18.29 | bigdog_ut | gentoo never claims that |
| 17:18.29 | beandog | as long as its not Windows, does it really matter |
| 17:18.30 | dataw0lf | And due to the fact I'm a p-r-o-f-e-s-s-i-o-n-a-l, I don't use Gentoo. |
| 17:18.47 | beandog | Youre right. Because there arent pros that do use Gentoo. :B |
| 17:18.47 | bigdog_ut | professional dont mean nothing about it |
| 17:19.10 | beandog | Its all about finding an admin who knows wth they are doing. |
| 17:19.13 | dataw0lf | if I wanted to be like a 13 year old Korean kid hunched over his Gentoo machine whilst he's not playing WoW, I'd totally install Gentoo |
| 17:19.14 | beandog | irregardless of the distro. |
| 17:19.18 | dataw0lf | bull |
| 17:19.38 | dataw0lf | Because I know what I'm doing, and having to fix Gentoo every time it breaks will put a strain on, uh, y'know, REAL work |
| 17:19.55 | beandog | Thats odd. My Gentoo server has been running over a year with no breakage. |
| 17:20.04 | bigdog_ut | lol i have to update redhat as much as the next guy |
| 17:20.14 | dataw0lf | beandog: Yea? What do you do on it? |
| 17:20.15 | beandog | Im sure it has nothing to do with the fact that I know what Im doing. |
| 17:20.19 | beandog | LTSP server |
| 17:20.23 | bigdog_ut | and if i got drunk every night then it wouldnt get done |
| 17:20.42 | dataw0lf | I have a machine that runs 20 Apache virtual hosts with probably over 1 million visitors a day. |
| 17:20.46 | dataw0lf | guess what it runs on? |
| 17:20.48 | dataw0lf | RHEL baby |
| 17:21.00 | dataw0lf | because if I need kernel support for networking issues, Gentoo ain't gonna give it to me |
| 17:21.03 | dataw0lf | Not even close |
| 17:22.17 | dataw0lf | and I'm not talking about 'corporate support', I'm talking about a 24/7 kernel team workin' on it. A very, very talented team |
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| 17:22.17 | beandog | Thats another good thing to note. |
| 17:22.17 | dataw0lf | morning mac |
| 17:22.18 | beandog | Gentoo has no talent. |
| 17:22.18 | macnewbold | g;day |
| 17:22.18 | dataw0lf | you're putting words in my mouth |
| 17:22.18 | dataw0lf | just like every other Gentoo fan boy out there |
| 17:22.20 | beandog | whoever said Im a fanboy? |
| 17:22.35 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: Did you catch Utah_Dave's post on that nation image map thingie? |
| 17:22.36 | beandog | Buh, whatever, I really dont care. |
| 17:23.00 | dataw0lf | beandog: You're running Gentoo in an enterprise environment. You're a fan boy. |
| 17:23.13 | beandog | dataw0lf: no, I know what Im doing. Thanks for the assumption though. |
| 17:23.29 | beandog | I could assume that since youre using RHEL that you dont know how to compile a kernel, but I didnt say that. |
| 17:23.33 | dataw0lf | I never said you didn't know what you're doing. That doth not maketh you not a fan boy. |
| 17:23.54 | dataw0lf | Well, I'm pretty sure everyone here knows I can compile a kernel, so that isn't much of an issue. |
| 17:24.33 | beandog | Well, Im definately not a rabid fanboy. You dont hear me ripping on other distros. |
| 17:25.03 | dataw0lf | well, I never called you a rabid fanboy. I'll even give you the point that you, in fact, are unrabid. |
| 17:25.09 | beandog | thank you |
| 17:25.14 | dataw0lf | you're welcome. |
| 17:25.28 | beandog | now, I have to go tweak GCC |
| 17:25.36 | dataw0lf | anyone ever noticed that Gentoo users can't spell? |
| 17:25.39 | dataw0lf | just joking. |
| 17:25.45 | beandog | what a jerk. ;) |
| 17:26.23 | dataw0lf | s/jerk/dataw0lf |
| 17:26.25 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 17:26.30 | beandog | hee hee |
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| 17:28.35 | *** join/#uphpu PoeticIntensity (n=jason@70.96.176.13) |
| 17:28.41 | PoeticIntensity | Hello all. |
| 17:28.51 | _psychic_ | hello :) |
| 17:29.02 | PoeticIntensity | all those who love gentoo gimme a "Heck yeah!" ;-) |
| 17:29.24 | PoeticIntensity | nevermind.... I'm just stirrin' the pot. |
| 17:29.28 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:30.48 | dataw0lf | Heck yeah! |
| 17:31.00 | PoeticIntensity | w00t |
| 17:32.05 | dataw0lf | I love Gentoo because it allows me to make fun of unknowledgeable teenagers hiding in their mother's basement by just referring to a distro. |
| 17:32.08 | dataw0lf | I kid, I kid. |
| 17:33.20 | PoeticIntensity | s'all good. |
| 17:34.01 | PoeticIntensity | gentoo works for what I need, and does the job well. |
| 17:34.16 | dataw0lf | there you go |
| 17:34.22 | PoeticIntensity | bingo |
| 17:34.34 | beandog | was his name-o |
| 17:34.49 | PoeticIntensity | gentoo-o was his name-o..... ? |
| 17:34.55 | beandog | oy. |
| 17:35.39 | beandog | Hmm |
| 17:35.40 | dataw0lf | called in the cavalry, beandog? |
| 17:35.45 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:35.52 | beandog | I wonder how much memory a bzflag server would use. |
| 17:35.52 | PoeticIntensity | I came on my own.... |
| 17:36.04 | PoeticIntensity | but he did say something of a snafoo going on in here... |
| 17:36.20 | dataw0lf | well, if you want a smackdown, let me know, I give them out for free. |
| 17:36.37 | PoeticIntensity | religious wars are usually nothing more than someone trying to prove they can put someone else down. |
| 17:36.39 | dataw0lf | beandog: ask synic, I'm sure he knows. |
| 17:36.40 | PoeticIntensity | no matter what subject it is. |
| 17:36.56 | dataw0lf | exactly. And I'm extremely good at it. |
| 17:36.57 | PoeticIntensity | kind of funny, actually. |
| 17:37.00 | PoeticIntensity | rock on! |
| 17:37.01 | dataw0lf | Plus, I'm a genius, so that helps. |
| 17:37.09 | PoeticIntensity | I suck at it, but I'm pretty good at seeing through fallacy. |
| 17:37.23 | dataw0lf | Well, you're not going to get any fallacy from me. |
| 17:37.25 | PoeticIntensity | indeed! |
| 17:37.29 | dataw0lf | indeed. |
| 17:37.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, this is cute. |
| 17:37.38 | PoeticIntensity | and quaint! |
| 17:37.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Second line of this file |
| 17:37.42 | Lone_Wanderer | #PHP Code Begins |
| 17:37.56 | dataw0lf | what's the first, <?php ? |
| 17:38.00 | Lone_Wanderer | OH THANK YOU FOR ALERTING ME I WAS NOT AWARE THAT <?php INDICATED THAT! |
| 17:38.15 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 17:38.16 | timinator | LMAO |
| 17:38.31 | beandog | hee hee hee |
| 17:38.52 | dataw0lf | it'd be really cute if the first line was #!/usr/bin/python |
| 17:38.52 | beandog | Thats a great idea. |
| 17:38.52 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:39.01 | PoeticIntensity | any php programmers out there need a job? |
| 17:39.22 | PoeticIntensity | full time. |
| 17:39.23 | dataw0lf | I need an orange juice, got one of those? |
| 17:39.27 | PoeticIntensity | sorry.... |
| 17:39.31 | PoeticIntensity | we have cookies, though! |
| 17:39.39 | Lone_Wanderer | What are the deails, PI? |
| 17:39.40 | dataw0lf | chocolate chip? |
| 17:39.47 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 17:39.57 | PoeticIntensity | well... you've gotta know how to work. |
| 17:39.59 | dataw0lf | k, send it to me via UDP |
| 17:40.01 | PoeticIntensity | and you've gotta know PHP. |
| 17:40.05 | PoeticIntensity | and MySQL. |
| 17:40.09 | PoeticIntensity | and OOP. |
| 17:40.10 | dataw0lf | yes, but what would they be working on? |
| 17:40.12 | beandog | And you have to sit next to a real weirdo. |
| 17:40.16 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:40.20 | PoeticIntensity | actually behind one. |
| 17:40.28 | PoeticIntensity | ummm........... |
| 17:40.32 | PoeticIntensity | mostly administrative systems. |
| 17:40.41 | PoeticIntensity | the server is SLES9 (puke) |
| 17:40.48 | dataw0lf | what, intranet stuff? |
| 17:40.51 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 17:41.02 | PoeticIntensity | I've played around with a bit of AJAX, too... |
| 17:41.11 | dataw0lf | I'll do it contract. But can't work fulltime, already got one those. |
| 17:41.13 | PoeticIntensity | lots of beurueeruacratick stuff, so... that sucks. |
| 17:41.18 | dataw0lf | Oh, I don't know anything about AJAX |
| 17:41.19 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 17:41.21 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 17:41.30 | PoeticIntensity | it's actually pretty slick. |
| 17:41.31 | beandog | haha! </nelson> |
| 17:41.48 | dataw0lf | is it? |
| 17:42.02 | timinator | details man! |
| 17:42.54 | PoeticIntensity | me? |
| 17:43.33 | PoeticIntensity | the jorb/ |
| 17:43.34 | PoeticIntensity | ? |
| 17:43.35 | dataw0lf | What type of intranet systems? Payroll / Time sheets? Ticketing? Memos? |
| 17:43.43 | PoeticIntensity | all of the above. |
| 17:43.44 | dataw0lf | these are what people want to know |
| 17:43.47 | Lone_Wanderer | the jeordb! |
| 17:44.06 | dataw0lf | sounds like made by GNU |
| 17:44.07 | PoeticIntensity | basically.... boss comes down and says "We need this done yesterday, can you get it done in an hour?" |
| 17:44.09 | dataw0lf | something* |
| 17:44.16 | PoeticIntensity | and I say "Yeah, if we had 30 more programmers". |
| 17:44.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohh, it sounds like the company I work for! |
| 17:44.26 | dataw0lf | that's a shame. |
| 17:44.43 | PoeticIntensity | two weeks later, I'm still working on it - 3/4 of the way done, and they throw another project at me... |
| 17:44.56 | PoeticIntensity | tell me the first one is good enough (until the bugs surface), and then I'm off again! |
| 17:45.00 | PoeticIntensity | any takers? It's great!!!! |
| 17:45.01 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:45.16 | PoeticIntensity | the catch is.... it pays quite excellent. |
| 17:45.25 | dataw0lf | pay range? |
| 17:45.26 | PoeticIntensity | makes the crap worth while. |
| 17:45.40 | PoeticIntensity | well....... I started here above 60K |
| 17:45.47 | PoeticIntensity | I'm now making significantly more than that. |
| 17:45.58 | beandog | He makes 250k/year |
| 17:46.00 | beandog | He told me. |
| 17:46.13 | PoeticIntensity | chances of making around 60K is quite high if you're an expert-level PHP / MySQL programmer. |
| 17:46.21 | dataw0lf | meh. |
| 17:46.40 | PoeticIntensity | we hired someone as a contractor awhile ago, and he was a freaking genius. |
| 17:46.43 | timinator | meh? for quarter of a mill? |
| 17:46.45 | PoeticIntensity | but he played games all day. |
| 17:46.56 | PoeticIntensity | so.... if you play games at work, don't apply :) |
| 17:46.56 | beandog | sweet, Ill take it! |
| 17:46.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey I can be a freaking genius and play games all day! |
| 17:47.03 | PoeticIntensity | we fired him. |
| 17:47.13 | beandog | severance pay, Ill take it! |
| 17:47.16 | beandog | :) |
| 17:47.24 | PoeticIntensity | it was actually pretty sad. |
| 17:47.29 | Lone_Wanderer | why? |
| 17:47.29 | beandog | pity! |
| 17:47.32 | beandog | This gets better all the time :D |
| 17:47.34 | Lone_Wanderer | You should have just given him ADD meds |
| 17:47.40 | PoeticIntensity | because we fired him, and then kept him from getting his next job. |
| 17:47.43 | PoeticIntensity | (they called us) |
| 17:47.47 | Lone_Wanderer | d'oh |
| 17:47.50 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 17:47.57 | PoeticIntensity | sad. |
| 17:47.58 | dataw0lf | timinator: If you jump from 60k to 250k it doesn't sound like a place I'd work for. |
| 17:47.58 | Lone_Wanderer | He should have known not to give you guys as a reference. |
| 17:48.03 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 17:48.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought you said he was a genius? |
| 17:48.14 | PoeticIntensity | 250K is uhhh...... wrong. |
| 17:48.18 | PoeticIntensity | Mr. Beandog. |
| 17:48.25 | PoeticIntensity | He was. |
| 17:48.31 | PoeticIntensity | programming-wise. |
| 17:48.38 | PoeticIntensity | I learned quite a bit from his 2-month stay. |
| 17:48.43 | dataw0lf | if you can give me 90k + benefits, I'll move from Reno. |
| 17:48.50 | PoeticIntensity | not gonna happen. |
| 17:48.56 | dataw0lf | darn. |
| 17:49.00 | PoeticIntensity | :-\ |
| 17:49.12 | PoeticIntensity | and you hate gentoo... so.... it just wouldn't work... ;-) |
| 17:49.36 | dataw0lf | I'd have you converted to Debian and RHEL within a week. |
| 17:49.42 | PoeticIntensity | go for it. |
| 17:49.45 | dataw0lf | it's what I do. |
| 17:49.48 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:49.52 | PoeticIntensity | I've tried em' both. |
| 17:49.58 | PoeticIntensity | I just keep coming back to gentoo... |
| 17:50.10 | dataw0lf | you haven't had the dataw0lf showing you everything, however. |
| 17:50.20 | PoeticIntensity | 'tis true. |
| 17:50.43 | PoeticIntensity | but..... from what I've heard, your rationalizations against gentoo wouldn't suffice for me...... |
| 17:50.44 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty much always right, people just fight against it for a little while. |
| 17:50.46 | PoeticIntensity | I know.... it's sad. |
| 17:50.54 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 17:51.04 | PoeticIntensity | I can see why you're so good at pissing people off.... |
| 17:51.13 | PoeticIntensity | and.... I actually admire it. |
| 17:51.18 | PoeticIntensity | I can't do that worth beans. |
| 17:51.20 | Lone_Wanderer | It's like the Book of Mormon. |
| 17:51.28 | PoeticIntensity | I worked with a guy who could.... and man alive... |
| 17:51.30 | dataw0lf | I haven't given many of my 'anti Gentoo' rationalizations in here. |
| 17:51.32 | PoeticIntensity | he was under my skin in seconds. |
| 17:51.52 | Lone_Wanderer | When the Nephites are all "Hey don't be bad!" and the Lamanites are all "Rawr, we don't want to be told the truth!" |
| 17:52.06 | Lone_Wanderer | That's how DW ticks people off. |
| 17:52.20 | Lone_Wanderer | By telling them the truth they don't want to hear. |
| 17:52.20 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty much as grating as one can be. And since I'm right, it just rubs salt in wounds. |
| 17:52.26 | dataw0lf | exactly. |
| 17:52.34 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 17:52.34 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 17:52.44 | PoeticIntensity | sucks for everyone who disagrees with ya. |
| 17:52.44 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't be nearly as annoying if I was wrong all the time. |
| 17:53.04 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuj1 |
| 17:53.06 | dataw0lf | yea, they either convert or DIE IN FLAMES! RAWR |
| 17:53.07 | Black_Chaos | ouch |
| 17:53.08 | _psychic_ | shoudn't it be "strips" ? |
| 17:53.16 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:53.18 | _psychic_ | ! |
| 17:53.26 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:53.30 | dataw0lf | ~dwhit mindjuju |
| 17:53.32 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at mindjuju's pain |
| 17:53.39 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:53.41 | _psychic_ | dude he came in disguise!! |
| 17:53.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay boys and girls, it's time to make a list of everything I need to do now that our DBA quit. |
| 17:53.50 | mindjuju | ~lart _psychic_ |
| 17:53.55 | mindjuju | shhh |
| 17:54.14 | dataw0lf | Ok, I'm going to go rip this image map code off. Highlight me if you want words of wisdom. |
| 17:54.15 | mindjuju | accordions are great! |
| 17:54.25 | mindjuju | ~bonk mindjuj1 |
| 17:54.27 | jbot | ACTION bonks mindjuj1 over the head |
| 17:54.29 | _psychic_ | and he's cloned! |
| 17:54.30 | mindjuju | impostor! |
| 17:54.34 | PoeticIntensity | hasta luego, dataw0lf |
| 17:54.48 | mindjuju | ~lart mindjuj1 |
| 17:54.51 | mindjuju | hehe |
| 17:54.59 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v mindjuj1] by mindjuju |
| 17:55.05 | dataw0lf | arrivederci |
| 17:55.10 | mindjuju | cul8r |
| 17:55.12 | PoeticIntensity | :-S |
| 17:55.25 | mindjuju | ~dance |
| 17:55.26 | jbot | ACTION dances the macarena with cyco|w |
| 17:55.36 | mindjuju | ~party |
| 17:55.37 | jbot | Woohoo! Bot on the loose! |
| 17:55.40 | dataw0lf | I just had an excellent idea. jbot should have a ~dataw0lf command where it just says one of my many smart comments, just in case you guys miss me while I idle |
| 17:55.45 | mindjuj1 | ya'll are too funny |
| 17:55.47 | mindjuju | no doubt |
| 17:55.59 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 17:56.03 | jbot | rumour has it, mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator (*GASP*) |
| 17:56.10 | mindjuju | eww |
| 17:56.10 | _psychic_ | We might not miss you *while* you're dying, but probably after, yeah. |
| 17:56.18 | dataw0lf | dude. mindjuj1, ghost him. |
| 17:56.23 | PoeticIntensity | ~PoeticIntensity |
| 17:56.32 | dataw0lf | ~dataw0lf |
| 17:56.33 | jbot | well, dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr |
| 17:56.33 | PoeticIntensity | .............? |
| 17:56.36 | Lone_Wanderer | the pyshit button? is that a python module of some sort? |
| 17:56.43 | mindjuju | ~psyhit Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:56.45 | *** join/#uphpu swb (n=designsi@70.98.111.41) |
| 17:56.49 | mindjuju | ~welcome swb |
| 17:57.00 | jbot | swb, Sup yo? |
| 17:57.00 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:57.02 | jbot | i heard lone_wanderer is on the road again, all alone |
| 17:57.03 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v swb] by ChanServ |
| 17:57.03 | dataw0lf | sup swb |
| 17:57.03 | mindjuju | ~confuse mindjuj1 |
| 17:57.06 | jbot | yes those is their bacon tomorrow ? |
| 17:57.06 | swb | morning! |
| 17:57.19 | mindjuju | ~confuse PoeticIntensity |
| 17:57.20 | jbot | yes how are their pants today ? |
| 17:57.31 | PoeticIntensity | why yes.... |
| 17:57.32 | dataw0lf | quite fetching, thanks for asking jbot |
| 17:57.43 | mindjuju | ~wps |
| 17:57.44 | jbot | wps is, like, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 17:57.49 | swb | lol |
| 17:57.55 | mindjuju | ~wade's wife |
| 17:57.57 | jbot | from memory, wade's wife is Mrs. Sexy Pants |
| 17:57.57 | Lone_Wanderer | ~swb |
| 17:57.58 | mindjuju | ~wade's kid |
| 17:58.00 | jbot | it has been said that wade's kid is Junior Sexy Pants |
| 17:58.06 | mindjuju | ~swb++ |
| 17:58.12 | mindjuju | ~karma mindjuj |
| 17:58.12 | jbot | mindjuj has neutral karma |
| 17:58.14 | swb | rofl |
| 17:58.25 | mindjuj1 | and then there was one |
| 17:58.28 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (n=mac@cg.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 17:58.28 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 17:58.29 | dataw0lf | jbot, swb is UPHPU's resident webmistress |
| 17:58.30 | jbot | dataw0lf: okay |
| 17:58.30 | Lone_Wanderer | swb has no definition :( |
| 17:58.34 | dataw0lf | ~swb |
| 17:58.35 | jbot | swb is, like, UPHPU's resident webmistress |
| 17:58.36 | macnewbold | ~karma mindjuju |
| 17:58.36 | jbot | mindjuju has karma of -1 |
| 17:58.36 | PoeticIntensity | I feel as though I am in a swirling vat of orange juice. |
| 17:58.37 | macnewbold | ~bonk mindjuj1 |
| 17:58.38 | jbot | ACTION bonks mindjuj1 over the head |
| 17:58.59 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot, PoeticIntensity is a swirling vat of orange juice |
| 17:59.01 | jbot | Lone_Wanderer: okay |
| 17:59.01 | mindjuj1 | what an odd experience seeiing me say i like accordians when i really HATE them! |
| 17:59.04 | timinator | hello swb |
| 17:59.08 | macnewbold | howdy swb |
| 17:59.09 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 17:59.12 | swb | hiya, what's new? |
| 17:59.25 | dataw0lf | jeez, lotta action in the channel. |
| 17:59.28 | timinator | just watching the IRC scroll |
| 17:59.34 | PoeticIntensity | man.... I guess I came in at a time of semi-psychosis. |
| 17:59.39 | mindjuj1 | i was thinking next month Geek Lunch needs to be over by macnewbold, since there is a Bombay House over there |
| 17:59.41 | swb | timinator is mesmerized |
| 17:59.52 | beandog | ok ... ScriptAlias is confusing the heck out of me. |
| 17:59.58 | timinator | lol |
| 18:00.13 | Lone_Wanderer | What's wrong with ScriptAlias? |
| 18:00.17 | dataw0lf | jbot, timinator is mesmerized by the scrolling of IRC |
| 18:00.19 | jbot | ...but timinator is already something else... |
| 18:00.19 | mindjuj1 | you having problems with rackspace DW? |
| 18:00.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ~timinator |
| 18:00.33 | jbot | i heard timinator is the person formally known as timothy_, or owns his own business, or likes to wear a stetson and chaps with nothing else on! |
| 18:00.33 | beandog | ~PoeticIntensity |
| 18:00.35 | jbot | i heard poeticintensity is a swirling vat of orange juice |
| 18:00.35 | dataw0lf | mindjuj1: yea, like, they're, uh, incompetent |
| 18:00.38 | beandog | ~beandog |
| 18:00.39 | jbot | you are, like, cool |
| 18:00.43 | PoeticIntensity | lies!!! |
| 18:00.55 | PoeticIntensity | I don't know who told you that, but I am offended at it's very mention. |
| 18:01.07 | PoeticIntensity | .....'n' stuff. |
| 18:01.25 | dataw0lf | dude |
| 18:01.29 | dataw0lf | you told me didn't have ANY! |
| 18:01.32 | swb | sweet |
| 18:01.33 | PoeticIntensity | I prefer a nice guava cocktail. |
| 18:01.37 | PoeticIntensity | LMAO |
| 18:01.54 | mindjuj1 | isn't guava the crap from bats? |
| 18:01.54 | Lone_Wanderer | You're not orange juice, you're a swirling vat of orange juice |
| 18:02.01 | Lone_Wanderer | that's very different |
| 18:02.03 | dataw0lf | mindjuj1: that's guano |
| 18:02.05 | Lone_Wanderer | that's guano |
| 18:02.07 | dataw0lf | guava is a fruit |
| 18:02.11 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:02.12 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:02.14 | PoeticIntensity | LMAO |
| 18:02.14 | Lone_Wanderer | a tasty fruit |
| 18:02.19 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart PoeticIntensity for spamming |
| 18:02.34 | PoeticIntensity | wth is ~lart? |
| 18:02.40 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 18:02.43 | Lone_Wanderer | google it |
| 18:02.46 | PoeticIntensity | no. |
| 18:02.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ~wikipedia lart |
| 18:02.51 | PoeticIntensity | I refuse. |
| 18:03.26 | dataw0lf | you Gentoo sys admins and your inability to function in the greater Unix community. |
| 18:03.33 | PoeticIntensity | I know, I know.... |
| 18:03.44 | Lone_Wanderer | How can you claim to be a sysadmin and not know what lart is? |
| 18:03.44 | beandog | Its the reason Im not married. |
| 18:03.46 | PoeticIntensity | I'm feeling swirly... |
| 18:03.53 | PoeticIntensity | did I claim to be a sysadmin? |
| 18:03.54 | PoeticIntensity | ever? |
| 18:04.02 | dataw0lf | no kidding |
| 18:04.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Get ye to the.. oh I forgot what it's called. |
| 18:04.05 | dataw0lf | he said he used Gentoo, LW |
| 18:04.21 | PoeticIntensity | ah... that I did. |
| 18:04.22 | Lone_Wanderer | userfriendly.org. get there. |
| 18:04.23 | mindjuj1 | i prefer labeling problems as ID 10 T instead of calling people lusers -- for PC reasons |
| 18:04.24 | Lone_Wanderer | read. |
| 18:04.52 | dataw0lf | no, he needs to read BOFH |
| 18:04.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that where it's from? |
| 18:05.24 | dataw0lf | 'lart' ? No, but it sure inspires use. |
| 18:05.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought that what's his name came up with it. |
| 18:06.08 | Lone_Wanderer | the ufie guy - Ulysses? Homer? |
| 18:06.17 | PoeticIntensity | gah.... |
| 18:06.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Illiad, that's his name. |
| 18:06.20 | dataw0lf | may have. |
| 18:06.50 | dataw0lf | BOFH is quite possibly the funniest thing ever, however. |
| 18:07.00 | dataw0lf | I have a secret BOFH decoder ring. |
| 18:07.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Does it tell you to put arsenic in your ovaltine before you drink it? |
| 18:07.38 | dataw0lf | No. |
| 18:07.52 | dataw0lf | It tells me to put arsenic in my VP's ovaltine before he drinks it. |
| 18:07.56 | PoeticIntensity | I'm doomed. |
| 18:08.00 | PoeticIntensity | to forever n00bness. |
| 18:08.25 | Lone_Wanderer | wait - does AJ have a nuclear reactor on his desk? |
| 18:08.39 | dataw0lf | you know |
| 18:08.43 | dataw0lf | I should start a service |
| 18:08.49 | dataw0lf | that sells custom decoder rings |
| 18:08.54 | PoeticIntensity | you'd make millions. |
| 18:08.58 | dataw0lf | that would pretty much be the sweetest thing ever |
| 18:10.12 | dataw0lf | alright kids, I'm getting back to work too, this tcpdump is done, and with proof in my hands, I'm about to blow up a bunch of RackSpace sys admins |
| 18:10.12 | mindjuj1 | brb |
| 18:11.00 | dataw0lf | gotta call the rest of my team so they can get in on some hawt conference call action |
| 18:11.56 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:12.02 | macnewbold | you'll have to tell us some stories after, dataw0lf |
| 18:12.06 | macnewbold | I wanna know what's up |
| 18:12.44 | macnewbold | ~lart |
| 18:12.55 | macnewbold | (11:12:44) jbot: Desc: Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool |
| 18:12.55 | macnewbold | (11:12:44) jbot: Usage: lart [#chan] <who> |
| 18:12.55 | macnewbold | (11:12:45) jbot: Example: lart lenzo infobot's bugginess |
| 18:12.55 | macnewbold | (11:12:45) jbot: Example: lart #perl everyone perl \=\= lamerville |
| 18:14.08 | Black_Chaos | ~lart everyone |
| 18:16.36 | bigdog_ut | PoeticIntensity what is the name of the company you work for? |
| 18:22.00 | *** join/#uphpu fungus (n=fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:250:8dff:fe71:9a6b) |
| 18:22.00 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o fungus] by ChanServ |
| 18:33.30 | dataw0lf | welp, that didn't take too long |
| 18:33.37 | swb | According to this site, people have created systems to break captchas in 92% of cases... http://alastairc.ac/2006/12/why-does-google-use-captcha/ |
| 18:33.54 | PoeticIntensity | Truenorth Academy. |
| 18:34.03 | Lone_Wanderer | You destroyed them already DW? |
| 18:34.09 | dataw0lf | yea, didn't take too long |
| 18:34.13 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 18:35.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Sometimes I miss working in tech support |
| 18:35.39 | dataw0lf | Me: 'So, uh, if you're not running backups during our work hours, why is this pcap log (email send) showing gigs of information flowing on the ports that you run your packup software on. That I took about 15 minutes ago?' |
| 18:35.45 | dataw0lf | Rackspace: *silence* |
| 18:35.56 | dataw0lf | s/packup/backup |
| 18:36.46 | fungus | swb: thanks for the link. I *hate* captchas! |
| 18:36.49 | Lone_Wanderer | DW, I may need you to kill someone for me in a few months. |
| 18:36.53 | dataw0lf | Me: 'And if you weren't at fault for the HTTP server on inkle4 going down, why do I have a log (email send) of your admins logging in, and altering an httpd.conf' |
| 18:37.04 | dataw0lf | Rackspace: *silence* |
| 18:37.07 | Lone_Wanderer | O_O |
| 18:37.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Why would an ISP's admins EVER log into your server and mess with your conf files? |
| 18:37.42 | Lone_Wanderer | s/log into your server and */log into your server/ |
| 18:37.48 | dataw0lf | Me: 'So, what you're telling me is you're 1) incompetent and have no idea what your jr admins are doing or 2) incompetent and don't care what we, as clients, tell you to do |
| 18:38.02 | dataw0lf | Rackspace: *incoherent mumbling* |
| 18:38.31 | swb | fungus: I'm trying to decide whether to use captchas or not, but my research is starting to show that they're 1) useless and 2) inaccessible |
| 18:38.36 | dataw0lf | Me: 'So get your act together or I will personally eat you alive, with a fork' |
| 18:38.41 | dataw0lf | I added that last part |
| 18:38.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool. |
| 18:38.47 | wps | so the merchandising department sends up products each week to be highlighted on the home page of our website |
| 18:38.47 | dataw0lf | but, y'know, it was implied |
| 18:38.51 | wps | one of the products today was… |
| 18:38.58 | Lone_Wanderer | So, DW |
| 18:39.01 | dataw0lf | sup |
| 18:39.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I may need you to kill someone for me. |
| 18:39.06 | Lone_Wanderer | In a few months. |
| 18:39.08 | wps | http://www.doba.com/catalog//384751.html |
| 18:39.10 | Lone_Wanderer | While I'm out of town. |
| 18:39.14 | fungus | swb: inaccessible is most important, many are inaccessible to people with good vision too. |
| 18:39.18 | dataw0lf | like, actually kill someone? |
| 18:39.22 | Lone_Wanderer | >.> |
| 18:39.23 | dataw0lf | I haven't done that in years. |
| 18:39.26 | wps | we called down and told them that we weren't putting that on the home page… even if it was a top seller |
| 18:39.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Only if he breaks up with my friend. |
| 18:39.37 | wps | …and that they needed to pick something else |
| 18:39.47 | dataw0lf | I could scare him when I visit SLC next Friday. |
| 18:39.52 | Lone_Wanderer | That would work. |
| 18:39.52 | wps | this is what they came back with: http://www.doba.com/catalog//397251.html |
| 18:39.57 | dataw0lf | k, lemme know |
| 18:39.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, actually, he'll be here next Friday. |
| 18:40.18 | Lone_Wanderer | (He lives in Texas but is coming out here to school sometime next year.) |
| 18:40.34 | dataw0lf | oooh |
| 18:40.38 | fungus | wps: the wobble light is lame, but way better than "male enhancement". |
| 18:40.42 | dataw0lf | a Texan? Those are the funnest. |
| 18:40.49 | Lone_Wanderer | how so? |
| 18:40.54 | Lone_Wanderer | both my sisters married Texans |
| 18:40.58 | dataw0lf | they all think they're tough. |
| 18:41.16 | wps | I hate to be crude, but we busted up laughing… |
| 18:41.16 | Lone_Wanderer | One of them is rich and the other isn't yet but probably will be. |
| 18:41.20 | bigdog_ut | sounds like someone i know |
| 18:41.27 | dataw0lf | steers and q**ers, buddy, steers and qu**rs |
| 18:41.29 | wps | the whole fallic symbol… before/after… you get it |
| 18:41.39 | Lone_Wanderer | phallic |
| 18:41.43 | wps | thanks |
| 18:41.46 | fungus | My sister, (who lived in Texas for a while) said the only smart people in Texas are people from out of town. |
| 18:41.51 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: whoever could that be? |
| 18:42.04 | bigdog_ut | need you ask |
| 18:42.05 | Lone_Wanderer | The brother in law who is not yet rich is pretty smart. |
| 18:42.06 | bigdog_ut | :) |
| 18:42.09 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 18:42.21 | dataw0lf | but I'm actually tough, y'know. I'm just really flagrant about it. |
| 18:42.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know about the rich one. But he got my sister to marry him so he must be doing something right. |
| 18:42.34 | fungus | wps: LOL... delayed reaction. |
| 18:42.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Girl wasn't happy with ANYONE. |
| 18:42.53 | dataw0lf | wps: That's awesome. |
| 18:43.14 | wps | made my day |
| 18:43.30 | dataw0lf | swb: yea, Captchas are fairly unreliable. |
| 18:44.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I was about to say "So why do people use them?" but then I remembered... |
| 18:44.37 | Lone_Wanderer | >.> someone just said "thanks for last night" to the married girl who works here... |
| 18:44.47 | bigdog_ut | PoeticIntensity who was the guy you got rid of |
| 18:45.12 | dataw0lf | swb: better way than explicit bot checking is implicit bot checking by defining bot behaviors. |
| 18:45.31 | PoeticIntensity | I'd rather not say. |
| 18:45.46 | PoeticIntensity | I know he lurks around the utah linux groups. |
| 18:46.08 | bigdog_ut | oh...i was wondering if it was a friend of mine...but he does not do irc |
| 18:46.15 | bigdog_ut | so that answered my question |
| 18:46.25 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: Enya, huh? |
| 18:46.31 | dataw0lf | Boston/ |
| 18:46.33 | dataw0lf | sir. |
| 18:46.36 | PoeticIntensity | ............? |
| 18:46.37 | dataw0lf | SIR. |
| 18:46.43 | dataw0lf | some of your favorite bands? |
| 18:46.44 | PoeticIntensity | I haven't been following... |
| 18:46.50 | PoeticIntensity | ergh.... |
| 18:46.54 | PoeticIntensity | Eclectic. |
| 18:47.01 | PoeticIntensity | Boston... Enya.... Evanescence |
| 18:47.09 | bigdog_ut | PoeticIntensity you dont have to mention wps slacking in here though we already now that |
| 18:47.24 | PoeticIntensity | heh.. I don't even know what wps stands for. |
| 18:47.34 | Lone_Wanderer | words per second? |
| 18:47.46 | Lone_Wanderer | err, that doesn't really work |
| 18:47.51 | PoeticIntensity | Collective Soul. |
| 18:47.51 | dataw0lf | wade's pretty sharp! |
| 18:47.54 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:48.08 | PoeticIntensity | The Corrs |
| 18:48.08 | PoeticIntensity | Air Supply |
| 18:48.09 | PoeticIntensity | Rob Zombie |
| 18:48.15 | Lone_Wanderer | is bigdog_ut Wade? |
| 18:48.20 | PoeticIntensity | uhhh........................... |
| 18:48.26 | bigdog_ut | noe |
| 18:48.49 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: Amy Lee is a hottie. |
| 18:48.49 | bigdog_ut | bigdog_ut, is Frank |
| 18:48.58 | dataw0lf | wps is Wade |
| 18:49.01 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 18:49.10 | dataw0lf | 'Wade's Pretty Sharp' |
| 18:49.15 | PoeticIntensity | don't you KNOW it! |
| 18:49.15 | dataw0lf | w.p.s. |
| 18:49.28 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, Wade Preston Shearer (or however you spell his last name) |
| 18:49.34 | bigdog_ut | bigdog_ut = Frank Black |
| 18:49.40 | dataw0lf | Shearer is correct, me thinks. |
| 18:49.55 | wps | w p's |
| 18:49.57 | wps | wade p's |
| 18:50.01 | wps | wade pee's |
| 18:50.08 | dataw0lf | ew |
| 18:50.14 | wps | that's what my siblings belittled me with growing up |
| 18:50.24 | dataw0lf | oh, I thought you actually were doing it. |
| 18:50.36 | wps | no, that would be |
| 18:50.37 | swb | dataw0lf: implicit bot checking behaviors such as... ? |
| 18:50.57 | dataw0lf | swb: defining behaviors that bots will match. |
| 18:51.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Are there docs anywhere on putting together a DSN for ODBC? |
| 18:51.16 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 18:51.32 | dataw0lf | user agent, paths, time spent on pages. |
| 18:51.35 | dataw0lf | etc |
| 18:51.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh, conference room time |
| 18:52.00 | swb | ick, spammers are soo evil |
| 18:52.17 | dataw0lf | like The Emperor |
| 18:52.24 | swb | totally |
| 18:52.34 | dataw0lf | but with terrible grammar |
| 18:52.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Wow, my friend just pointed someting out to me |
| 18:53.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I like clothes, like ballet and the arts, and like girls who act like boys. |
| 18:53.08 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 18:53.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, meeting time. |
| 18:53.38 | swb | metrosexual? |
| 18:53.40 | swb | heh |
| 18:54.18 | dataw0lf | I constantly get asked if I'm gay because I can dance. You'd think I'm the non gay type. I guess I kill any suspicions as soon as I open my mouth, however. |
| 18:54.59 | swb | I was into the swing craze a while back |
| 18:55.23 | dataw0lf | I also pose dramatically for pictures. |
| 18:57.43 | dataw0lf | stderr.ws/dw.jpg |
| 18:57.55 | dataw0lf | I can salsa, and tango. Not very good at the swing, though. |
| 18:58.07 | swb | swing is awesome |
| 18:58.11 | dataw0lf | yea it is |
| 18:58.32 | dataw0lf | alright back to work |
| 19:01.32 | dataw0lf | http://stderr.ws/dw2.jpg Seriously, how much guiltier can I look. |
| 19:01.37 | beandog | mordida? |
| 19:02.42 | bigdog_ut | aka a tango dance bite |
| 19:03.34 | dataw0lf | mmm, they're the best |
| 19:03.40 | bigdog_ut | the comment was really meant for macnewbold but he is not around |
| 19:03.49 | bigdog_ut | it has reference to 2 things |
| 19:03.51 | dataw0lf | yay christmas bonuses |
| 19:03.59 | dataw0lf | you bite mac a lot, eh? |
| 19:04.00 | bigdog_ut | mordida = bite in spanish |
| 19:04.16 | bigdog_ut | but in tango dance it refers to feet placement |
| 19:23.04 | swb | how would you rate your company intranet on a scale of 1 to 10? (zero meaning you don't have an intranet) |
| 19:23.59 | dataw0lf | 8 |
| 19:24.18 | swb | dataw0lf, you're a lucky dog to work at such a great company |
| 19:25.00 | dataw0lf | it's an exxxcellent company, 'tis true. |
| 19:25.57 | dataw0lf | they're into inspiring employees with great benefits and good communication, and a lot more freedom, and it works well. |
| 19:29.07 | beandog | where do you work? |
| 19:29.58 | dataw0lf | QuinStreet |
| 19:30.17 | dataw0lf | Anyone want to move out here to Reno and join my team? Just found out we want another guy. |
| 19:30.35 | dataw0lf | (or girl) |
| 19:31.20 | dataw0lf | 55-65k easily, quick quick quick promotions, pretty much every benefit you can think of. |
| 19:31.28 | PoeticIntensity | I'm all over it. |
| 19:31.37 | PoeticIntensity | but I want 90K. |
| 19:31.43 | PoeticIntensity | (w00t)! |
| 19:31.59 | dataw0lf | sorry, you're not taking my senior position, buddy. |
| 19:32.05 | PoeticIntensity | :-C |
| 19:32.22 | PoeticIntensity | well..... 'tis true that I haven't quite attained "genius" status.... |
| 19:32.33 | PoeticIntensity | so... that probably wouldn't fly. |
| 19:32.44 | dataw0lf | they'll fly you to Foster City to interview at the corporate office, you guys got nothing to lose, I'm telling ya. Once you see the company you'll be sold |
| 19:33.02 | PoeticIntensity | You should be a salesman. |
| 19:33.14 | PoeticIntensity | definitely at least in sales... |
| 19:33.34 | dataw0lf | I can't sell anything, because I'm too mean. |
| 19:33.48 | PoeticIntensity | heh... Like RHEL or Debian? *nudge nudge* |
| 19:33.55 | dataw0lf | 'JUST TAKE IT, ARE YOU AN IDIOT?' |
| 19:34.02 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 19:34.03 | dataw0lf | no, no, I don't sell those distros. |
| 19:34.06 | dataw0lf | They sell themselves. |
| 19:34.14 | dataw0lf | I just point it out. |
| 19:34.22 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... |
| 19:34.28 | PoeticIntensity | well... they've been pointed out to me before.. |
| 19:34.39 | PoeticIntensity | I haven't been sold on em'..... at least by themselves, that is. |
| 19:34.47 | PoeticIntensity | ahem...... sales? |
| 19:34.48 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 19:35.27 | dataw0lf | well, this is most likely from lack of experience. |
| 19:35.49 | PoeticIntensity | possibly, but there's a lot to be said about presentation as well. |
| 19:36.20 | PoeticIntensity | I gotta run to the dentist.... |
| 19:36.22 | PoeticIntensity | gah... |
| 19:36.22 | PoeticIntensity | bbl |
| 19:36.32 | dataw0lf | cya |
| 19:37.18 | swb | dataw0lf, are you going to find me an oracle guy (or girl)? |
| 19:37.47 | dataw0lf | I've been looking, I can't seem to find anyone who wants to relocate, and there's nobody in SLC who can do it that I know of. |
| 19:37.56 | swb | heh |
| 19:38.20 | dataw0lf | well, I mean, the bigdog could, but he seems happy where he's at. |
| 19:38.41 | swb | hey, are you going to post your job on UPHPU-jobs? |
| 19:38.55 | dataw0lf | hm. that's not a bad idea. |
| 19:51.34 | dataw0lf | to post to uphpu-jobs, wps, it's just uphpu-jobs@uphpu.org, correct? |
| 19:51.52 | wps | yes |
| 19:52.07 | dataw0lf | sweet, free iPod Nano with my christmas bonus |
| 19:52.22 | timinator | cool DW |
| 19:54.10 | dataw0lf | tell me what you guys think of the job posting. |
| 19:54.47 | dataw0lf | dang, not allowed to post on the uphpu-jobs mailing list? |
| 19:55.03 | *** join/#uphpu burnin (n=burnin@42dbe40a.dsl.aros.net) |
| 19:55.48 | dataw0lf | nevermind |
| 19:55.58 | beandog | man |
| 19:56.00 | beandog | thats sweet |
| 19:56.02 | beandog | I love my nano. |
| 19:56.21 | beandog | Except when the battery dies and then I have to restore it in Windows and then gtkpod freaks out and I have to beat them all into submission. |
| 19:56.41 | beandog | Other than that its great |
| 19:56.52 | dataw0lf | ok, job posted. |
| 20:08.27 | beandog | office massages? |
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| 20:13.20 | bigdog_ut | i think i want to interview just for the vacation |
| 20:16.18 | drip | Mmm.. vacation |
| 20:16.30 | bigdog_ut | i got alot of vacation this month |
| 20:16.33 | drip | maybe I should take one one of these years. |
| 20:16.48 | bigdog_ut | then you can come and work wtih me...or for me |
| 20:24.13 | cyco|w | wait, is this a typo (RSVP macnewbold of mindjuju in IRC), or is it the truth!??!?!?!??! |
| 20:25.29 | cyco|w | is mindjuju your father? |
| 20:26.25 | *** join/#uphpu Epilog (n=duckman@217.129.133.207) |
| 20:26.29 | Epilog | hi there |
| 20:26.41 | cyco|w | where? |
| 20:26.58 | Epilog | what is the best way to syntax highlight a bash script using php? |
| 20:27.15 | Lone_Wanderer | dw - where's the posting? |
| 20:27.49 | cyco|w | http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu-jobs/2006-December/000079.html |
| 20:27.53 | bigdog_ut | Epilog what editor/ide you using? |
| 20:28.18 | Epilog | bigdog_ut: its for a webpage |
| 20:28.30 | bigdog_ut | Epilog not sure what you are trying to do then |
| 20:28.34 | Epilog | in my site I show the bash script my routers run on startup |
| 20:28.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ohh, I might actually be qualified for this one |
| 20:28.43 | Epilog | and I would like to syntax highlight it |
| 20:28.53 | bigdog_ut | the bash script via php? |
| 20:29.02 | Epilog | its like this |
| 20:29.23 | Epilog | every router has a submenu in the site for me to check its startup code |
| 20:29.36 | Lone_Wanderer | So we just had a meeting with a motivational speaker. |
| 20:29.52 | Lone_Wanderer | We all had to pick one word that we stand for. |
| 20:29.55 | Epilog | right now I'm simply doing a file_get_contents and html_encode |
| 20:30.05 | Lone_Wanderer | And then stand up and say "I am a stand and the stand I take is (word)". |
| 20:30.13 | Lone_Wanderer | I picked hubris. Nobody knew what it meant. |
| 20:30.31 | Epilog | and I would like to pass that file with a function that would syntax hl the bash code |
| 20:30.36 | Epilog | do display it |
| 20:31.00 | bigdog_ut | Epilog one sec let me find what i use |
| 20:32.13 | cyco|w | http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/package/1759.html |
| 20:32.52 | bigdog_ut | i have used this program too ccze |
| 20:33.09 | bigdog_ut | you run it through that and it will colorize or apply a css file to it for you |
| 20:33.14 | Epilog | btw, do you know that the author of phpclasses is an ex co workers of mine |
| 20:33.53 | bigdog_ut | Epilog this is a generic default screenshot http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/31716/33590/ |
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| 20:39.19 | bigdog_ut | cyco|w, have you used that class? |
| 20:39.30 | cyco|w | nope.. just found it with google.. |
| 20:40.35 | bigdog_ut | looks like it has some nice features |
| 21:08.13 | Lone_Wanderer | this is truly a work of art |
| 21:08.15 | Lone_Wanderer | http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/zen/sample.css |
| 21:14.09 | swb | ahh! |
| 21:14.19 | swb | kinda scary isn't it? |
| 21:14.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah but it's CSS Zen Garden, and that makes it okay! |
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| 21:15.15 | swb | this is one of my fav css zen garden designs: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/083/083.css |
| 21:15.46 | swb | this one is pretty cool too: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=019%2F019%2Ecss |
| 21:16.49 | Lone_Wanderer | I can't be arsed to find the one I like :p |
| 21:19.11 | _psychic_ | many a designer got his CSS start from the garden |
| 21:21.19 | beandog | wow |
| 21:21.19 | beandog | I miss pages like that geocities one |
| 21:21.19 | beandog | heck, I miss geocities. |
| 21:21.19 | _psychic_ | <blink>I don't</blink> |
| 21:22.44 | swb | lunch location suggestion: Granato's |
| 21:23.12 | swb | http://granatos.org/cart/index.php?main_page=page&id=9&chapter=0 |
| 21:23.45 | fungus | People who use animated gifs should be hanged. |
| 21:24.04 | swb | now, now, that's a little harsh isn't it? |
| 21:24.27 | _psychic_ | even for ajax progress indicators? |
| 21:24.29 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 21:24.29 | fungus | Maybe, but not by much. |
| 21:24.57 | fungus | ok, useless animated gifs are unforgivable sins |
| 21:25.19 | _psychic_ | email boxes endlessly receiving |
| 21:25.21 | fungus | that brucelawson design caused mental trauma. |
| 21:25.25 | _psychic_ | globes turning |
| 21:32.47 | dataw0lf | hey hey hey |
| 21:35.40 | olds | get back to work _psychic_ |
| 21:35.42 | olds | ! |
| 21:36.06 | swb | from my 1995 web design days: http://designsimply.com/uphpu/gif.htm |
| 21:36.21 | _psychic_ | olds: This is *research* |
| 21:36.27 | olds | oh oh, then it's ok |
| 21:37.34 | Lone_Wanderer | http://xkcd.com/verizon/ - did I already paste that? >.> |
| 21:38.18 | swb | hehe |
| 21:39.02 | Lone_Wanderer | How much money is that check for? |
| 21:42.58 | _psychic_ | $0.02 |
| 21:43.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I have a wordcrush on Tycho. |
| 21:43.16 | Lone_Wanderer | of Penny Arcade |
| 21:43.16 | _psychic_ | or -0.02 |
| 21:44.34 | _psychic_ | the result is negative though - doesn't seem to make sense |
| 21:44.54 | fungus | But the summation aproaches 1 |
| 21:45.38 | _psychic_ | 0.002 + -1 + 1 |
| 21:46.00 | fungus | ahh, I couldn't read the 2nd term that well. |
| 21:46.03 | _psychic_ | didn't see the + |
| 21:46.20 | _psychic_ | e^(i * π) |
| 21:46.36 | fungus | didn't see that it was an i. |
| 21:47.01 | Lone_Wanderer | wait, wait |
| 21:47.20 | Lone_Wanderer | e^(i * pi) = 1? |
| 21:47.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I figured the guy in this comic: http://xkcd.com/c179.html |
| 21:47.37 | Lone_Wanderer | was in fact just "messing" with him |
| 21:51.55 | _psychic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Err yeah. -1. |
| 21:54.18 | fungus | http://www.google.com/search?q=e%5E%28i*pi%29 |
| 21:54.38 | _psychic_ | validated |
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| 22:08.48 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the uphpu job list address? |
| 22:09.52 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: uphpu-jobs@uphpu.org |
| 22:09.59 | Lone_Wanderer | huh, thoguht that's the one I hit. |
| 22:10.25 | swb | I'm sure that list is moderated |
| 22:10.36 | Lone_Wanderer | thought* |
| 22:10.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone just said the word "Java" |
| 22:10.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I need to assemble a list, now, of reasons not to touch Java with a ten foot pole. |
| 22:11.34 | _psychic_ | Reason #1: System.out.println(); |
| 22:11.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Manager reasons. |
| 22:12.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll just show him the salaries that Java developers make over PHP developers. |
| 22:12.38 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:13.22 | _psychic_ | Wait till he sees how long it takes to get things done. |
| 22:13.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I got called into a room with a bunch of old guys in suits. I heard "Java" and "XML". |
| 22:14.32 | dataw0lf | that's when you throw one of your nifty ninja distraction tools (firecracker, smoke bomb), and jump out the (closed) window |
| 22:14.55 | dataw0lf | for effect, I like to scream 'BONZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAIIII', but that's up to you |
| 22:15.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'm going to lean in and try to get one of our head honchos out of there |
| 22:15.22 | Lone_Wanderer | and ask what's going on |
| 22:15.35 | Lone_Wanderer | so I can get a handle on the situation. but I need to have my ducks in a row first. |
| 22:15.49 | dataw0lf | hmph. I think my solution was better. |
| 22:16.37 | _psychic_ | Any solution involving ninjas or dragons is always better. |
| 22:16.56 | macnewbold | an army of dragon-ninjas would be really cool |
| 22:16.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Well if I HAD a dragon or WERE a ninja I would involve both, I assure you. |
| 22:17.26 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty sure trogdor was a dragon-ninja |
| 22:17.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd drop a smoke bomb and when the smoke cleared the men in suits would have been eaten by my dragon. |
| 22:17.35 | Lone_Wanderer | okay brb |
| 22:17.57 | timinator | go get 'em tiger |
| 22:18.15 | dataw0lf | he's not a tiger |
| 22:18.19 | dataw0lf | he's a dragon-ninja |
| 22:18.32 | Black_Chaos | thats trogdor |
| 22:18.34 | _psychic_ | tigers aren't bad |
| 22:18.35 | timinator | s/tiger/dragon-ninja/ |
| 22:18.37 | Lone_Wanderer | No, I'm a ninja with a pet dragon. |
| 22:19.06 | dataw0lf | pfft, that's ridiculous. Everyone knows that dragons can't be domesticated. |
| 22:19.18 | dataw0lf | I mean, let's be realistic here, guys. |
| 22:19.30 | Lone_Wanderer | They can be by ninjas. |
| 22:19.35 | Black_Chaos | oddly enough, I'm a dragon with a pet ninja |
| 22:19.35 | macnewbold | ~trogdor java developers |
| 22:19.37 | jbot | ACTION burninates java developers |
| 22:19.46 | macnewbold | ~burninate java fanboys |
| 22:19.47 | jbot | ACTION burninates java fanboys and thrashes him soundly with Trogdor's meat arm. |
| 22:20.18 | macnewbold | ~thrash java |
| 22:20.54 | dataw0lf | TROGDOR!!! |
| 22:21.01 | dataw0lf | Trogdor was a man |
| 22:21.05 | dataw0lf | I mean, he was a dragon man |
| 22:21.09 | dataw0lf | Or maybe he was just a dragon |
| 22:21.15 | dataw0lf | But he was still TROGDOR! |
| 22:21.17 | dataw0lf | TROGDOR! |
| 22:22.36 | Lone_Wanderer | head Asplode thank you. |
| 22:22.46 | dataw0lf | And the Trogdor comes in the NIIGHT! |
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| 22:28.38 | dataw0lf | make Homestar's head explode.exe |
| 22:30.45 | dataw0lf | MANIAC IN A SPEEDO'D! |
| 22:32.59 | timinator | hello brasto |
| 22:33.06 | timinator | how ya been? |
| 22:33.29 | macnewbold | ~asplode |
| 22:35.47 | macnewbold | jbot: asplode ($1) is $1 head asplode, k thx |
| 22:35.48 | jbot | okay, macnewbold |
| 22:35.52 | macnewbold | ~asplode dataw0lf |
| 22:36.05 | macnewbold | ~asplode |
| 22:36.16 | beandog | heh |
| 22:36.21 | Lone_Wanderer | %1 maybe? |
| 22:36.25 | macnewbold | jbot: asplode $1 is $1 head asplode, k thx |
| 22:36.26 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 22:36.30 | macnewbold | ~asplode Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:36.31 | jbot | Lone_Wanderer head asplode, k thx |
| 22:37.00 | macnewbold | jbot: asplode is <action> head asplode, k thx |
| 22:37.02 | jbot | is <action> head asplode, k thx head asplode, k thx |
| 22:37.04 | macnewbold | ~asplode |
| 22:37.41 | macnewbold | jbot, no, asplode is <action> head asplode, k thx |
| 22:37.43 | jbot | okay, macnewbold |
| 22:37.45 | macnewbold | ~asplode |
| 22:37.46 | jbot | ACTION head asplode, k thx |
| 22:37.54 | beandog | hee hee |
| 22:40.17 | Lone_Wanderer | why the kthx? |
| 22:42.48 | brasto | timinator - hi, i been busy moving to another Orem location (bigger appt), but doing well. |
| 22:42.50 | gibba[w] | cranial pyrotechnix |
| 22:43.11 | brasto | how's timinator doing? |
| 22:44.37 | Lone_Wanderer | ~asplode macnewbold |
| 22:44.39 | jbot | macnewbold head asplode, k thx |
| 22:45.18 | Lone_Wanderer | ping wps |
| 22:46.31 | timinator | going great here... busy building a user base on MLT |
| 22:47.06 | brasto | cool, was the mlt launch successfull? |
| 22:47.30 | timinator | VERY successful |
| 22:47.47 | timinator | we got everyone's attention. |
| 22:48.06 | dataw0lf | http://digg.com/programming/YouTube_is_almost_entirely_written_in_Python |
| 22:49.04 | fungus | That should make it easier to merge into google. |
| 22:49.48 | fungus | Google is heavy into Python too. |
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| 22:51.08 | dataw0lf | fungus: Well, yea. That's a posting from Guido (who works at Google now) |
| 22:55.22 | brasto | timinator, that's pretty sweet. selling the site and business soon? |
| 22:55.39 | timinator | it's for sale now |
| 22:55.58 | timinator | but I don't think anyone will put down the money till we show our stuff |
| 22:56.18 | timinator | so we expect 2-5 years before there are serious buyers |
| 22:56.37 | timinator | but ya, it's for sale..... you want to buy it? |
| 22:57.17 | macnewbold | very nice |
| 22:57.27 | macnewbold | we're trying to build up www.gradefix.com too |
| 22:59.11 | timinator | nice... you've got a great product there mac |
| 22:59.32 | macnewbold | we like it |
| 22:59.40 | macnewbold | we're working on a bunch of really sweet stuff for next semester |
| 23:03.59 | Lone_Wanderer | xkcd > * |
| 23:04.25 | herlo | ~seen Utah_Dave |
| 23:04.33 | jbot | utah_dave <n=boucha@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 6h 1m 11s ago, saying: 'dang!'. |
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| 23:19.30 | brasto | timinator... lol - um... not now... |
| 23:23.31 | timinator | are you sure? ....I'm sure I could convince everyone to take less than 10million if you bought it now. |
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| 23:24.00 | timinator | :) |
| 23:24.31 | brasto | hmmm, let me check my wallet for the extra few million dollars lying around in there... |
| 23:25.28 | brasto | brb, gotta check my grub boot loader changes I made... |
| 23:26.55 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm 4:30 |
| 23:27.00 | Lone_Wanderer | maybe I should go to lunch? |
| 23:27.03 | Lone_Wanderer | maybe I should just leave early. |
| 23:27.12 | Lone_Wanderer | well, "early", only not because I worked through lunch. |
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| 23:38.16 | macnewbold | sounds like it's time for you to check out, Lone_Wanderer - get away ASAP is my usual policy on a crazy day like today ;) |
| 23:38.26 | macnewbold | ~asplode mindjuj1 |
| 23:38.29 | jbot | mindjuj1 head asplode, k thx |
| 23:41.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Any day that involves motivational speakers qualifies as crazy for me. |
| 23:41.08 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 23:41.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 23:41.20 | macnewbold | that's enough to make one's head asplode for sure |
| 23:41.30 | Lone_Wanderer | We all had to stand up and say "I am a stand and the stand I'm taking is (some word)" |
| 23:41.33 | Lone_Wanderer | My word was "hubris" |
| 23:41.34 | beandog | motivational speakers are why god invented bejeweled for cell phones |
| 23:41.52 | macnewbold | so do you feel motivated to do anything positive? or just leave early, look for a new job, etc? |
| 23:41.57 | Lone_Wanderer | leave early :) |
| 23:42.08 | macnewbold | they're a big waste of money IMHO |
| 23:42.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Well apparently he's also a consultant who's going to talk to everyone over the next two days |
| 23:42.22 | Lone_Wanderer | and tell the boss what we're "too scared" to tell him ourselves |
| 23:42.29 | macnewbold | if you want to motivate me, give me an extra $500-1000 instead of giving it to some boring lecturer |
| 23:42.40 | macnewbold | duh |
| 23:42.43 | macnewbold | anyone could do that for him |
| 23:42.45 | macnewbold | at a much lower rate |
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| 23:43.12 | macnewbold | make sure to tell him how much you dislike dumb tactics like motivational speakers |
| 23:43.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know about anyone else, but I've never had a problem telling The Boss what I think. |
| 23:43.27 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:43.28 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 23:43.50 | macnewbold | yeah, us developers usually get to be quite "efficient" with our communication, even if not always the most "user-friendly" |
| 23:44.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I had to turn off my inner snark for the duration of the "meeting" with him. |
| 23:44.21 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:44.33 | macnewbold | just do a little "BS" cough now and then |
| 23:44.37 | macnewbold | "to keep it real" |
| 23:44.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Nah, it was a small meeting, I'd have been outed for sure. |
| 23:44.48 | macnewbold | ah |
| 23:44.50 | macnewbold | yeah, that's no good |
| 23:44.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Only like nine people. |
| 23:45.10 | dataw0lf | I'd do it anyways. You're being motivational by being humorous. |
| 23:45.29 | Lone_Wanderer | But when he was talking about what a stand is ("A line in the sand. A decision not to back down.") I said "a thing you put your TV on" |
| 23:45.30 | macnewbold | paying him for three days probably takes a hit out of everyone's christmas bonus... that's too bad |
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| 23:45.42 | macnewbold | very nice |
| 23:45.47 | macnewbold | way to think outside the box |
| 23:45.48 | macnewbold | gold star |
| 23:46.16 | dataw0lf | omg lemme have some |
| 23:46.29 | Lone_Wanderer | It's reallly really good. |
| 23:46.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Extra l and everything. |
| 23:47.11 | Lone_Wanderer | By the way, the IT department at Stevens Henager is retarded. |
| 23:47.36 | macnewbold | is that where you are now? |
| 23:47.41 | Lone_Wanderer | no |
| 23:47.42 | macnewbold | or just had to deal with them? |
| 23:47.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I have a friend who works there. Her email address is callcenter@stevenshenager.edu |
| 23:48.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Because when she started she was the only person there and they figured they'd never expand |
| 23:48.54 | dataw0lf | amateurs |
| 23:49.09 | Lone_Wanderer | and now that they have, they let her keep her email address |
| 23:49.21 | Lone_Wanderer | rather than reassign it or do some clever virtmapping to make everything sensible |
| 23:50.14 | bigdog_ut | it should be that hard to change though |
| 23:50.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, you'd think, wouldn't you? |
| 23:50.47 | Lone_Wanderer | But then again you'd think that you'd start out with a sensible email address assignment scheme so as to avoid this situation completely. |
| 23:51.17 | dataw0lf | no experience on that team |
| 23:51.19 | Lone_Wanderer | And somehow magically my PHP installation does not have ODBC compiled into it. |
| 23:51.23 | dataw0lf | that's what it boils down to. |
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| 23:52.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, anyway, it's 5:00. That means it's bookstore time. |
| 23:52.47 | beandog | bookstore time? |
| 23:53.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. Time for me to go to the bookstore and read a book for free. |
| 23:53.04 | beandog | right on |
| 23:53.13 | dataw0lf | <3 hanging out at bookstores |
| 23:53.26 | dataw0lf | cya LW |
| 23:53.29 | Lone_Wanderer | later all |
| 23:53.31 | beandog | I get to drive really fast on I-15 |
| 23:53.32 | beandog | whee! |
| 23:54.21 | dataw0lf | hey, jsmith, how do I find the call history on a cisco 7940 phone? |
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