| 00:00.07 | _psychic_ | I love ajax, and many of the principles some people associate with "web2.0" |
| 00:00.08 | Lone_Wanderer | SVG has a very limited range of usefulness |
| 00:00.12 | _psychic_ | but the term itself makes me shiver |
| 00:00.26 | _psychic_ | SVG is like Flash, except no one can see it |
| 00:00.33 | beandog | TMNT movie coming out |
| 00:00.36 | beandog | looks very cool |
| 00:00.39 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhh |
| 00:00.42 | Lone_Wanderer | <3 TMNT |
| 00:01.08 | beandog | I made a TMNT movie with my action figures when I was like 12 |
| 00:01.17 | beandog | I should post it somewhere. |
| 00:02.16 | fungus | ~nickometer goatse |
| 00:11.38 | timinator | I'm out guys |
| 00:11.39 | timinator | later |
| 00:11.44 | Lone_Wanderer | later |
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| 00:16.40 | Lone_Wanderer | later everyone |
| 00:18.47 | dataw0lf | anyone know a quick sed one liner that will remove commas from numbers? |
| 00:24.30 | mindjuju | those emails from robert merrill on the email thread have been interesting |
| 00:25.13 | mindjuju | but i do like representing myself |
| 00:30.34 | dataw0lf | CSVed is purty cool. |
| 00:31.54 | tierra | sed -e 's/(\d),(\d)/\1\2/g' file; |
| 00:31.56 | tierra | just a guess |
| 00:32.40 | dataw0lf | danke |
| 00:33.46 | dataw0lf | What use is Excel if it will only take 65535 rows, max? |
| 00:33.50 | dataw0lf | I mean honestly. |
| 00:33.56 | dataw0lf | then it clipped it without warning me. |
| 00:34.05 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 00:34.08 | bigdog_ut | openoffice |
| 00:34.20 | tierra | lemme know if that sed command works, I'm curious if I nailed it on the first shot |
| 00:34.20 | dataw0lf | true dat. |
| 00:34.34 | bigdog_ut | you might of |
| 00:35.01 | bigdog_ut | or i think you can do this |
| 00:35.12 | dataw0lf | looks right to me, but I'm running a sed command right now on over 10 million rows of CSV data, so it's gonna take a while |
| 00:35.29 | bigdog_ut | sed -e '/(\d)/s/,//g/(\d)' file |
| 00:36.05 | dataw0lf | I swear, 'hurry up and wait' in database operations is even worse than in the military. |
| 00:36.37 | mindjuju | does openoffice do more rows? |
| 00:36.43 | tierra | CSV format requires quotes on values with commas right? |
| 00:36.47 | dataw0lf | I'm sure it does. |
| 00:37.02 | dataw0lf | tierra: I don't think so. |
| 00:37.06 | tierra | otherwise you may run into loosing commas delimiting values |
| 00:37.15 | dataw0lf | err, oh, with commas |
| 00:37.17 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 00:37.39 | dataw0lf | I think the format requires anything with whitespace or commas to be enclosed in quotes |
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| 00:38.06 | tierra | or quotes themselves I think, which have to be doubled up |
| 00:38.48 | dataw0lf | hmm. right. |
| 00:39.14 | dataw0lf | I probably should've thrown this operation on one of the SPARCs |
| 00:39.20 | dataw0lf | argh |
| 00:39.34 | tierra | either way, I'd watch for any cases of something like this getting caught: 54,293.93,"23,283" |
| 00:39.46 | tierra | where you'd loose the comma between 4 and 2 |
| 00:40.34 | dataw0lf | well the only commas outside this field are delimiters, and the field itself is enclosed with quotes |
| 00:40.37 | dataw0lf | in any case, I used cut |
| 00:43.21 | dataw0lf | man I hope this import to MySQL doesn't die while I'm headed home |
| 00:43.26 | dataw0lf | oh well, that's why it's screened |
| 00:43.32 | dataw0lf | cya tomorrow ppl |
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| 02:18.36 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 02:22.53 | olds | ? |
| 02:23.32 | mindjuju | sup olds, are you good with subnet masks? |
| 02:24.00 | olds | nope |
| 02:24.18 | mindjuju | bumemr |
| 02:24.32 | mindjuju | bigdog_ut, macnewbold, dataw0lf @ ping |
| 02:26.06 | mindjuju | i hate this cause even when i look it up, it don't make any sense |
| 02:30.00 | burnin | mindjuju, did you try one of the online calculators? |
| 02:30.12 | mindjuju | yeah, i was looking at it |
| 02:30.28 | mindjuju | the question i have though is that i have 2 blocks of IP addresses on 2 seperate NICs |
| 02:30.37 | mindjuju | and each one has its own subnet mask |
| 02:30.53 | mindjuju | i need to combine both blocks of IPs onto 1 NIC |
| 02:31.09 | mindjuju | so what would the new mask be? |
| 02:31.32 | burnin | no new mask, I think what you need to do is alias the second block to the same nic |
| 02:32.04 | mindjuju | and just keep the first block's mask?? |
| 02:32.19 | burnin | http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking#Creating_Interface_Aliases |
| 02:32.26 | burnin | you will have two masks |
| 02:32.33 | burnin | the original and the alias mask |
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| 13:13.51 | timinator | morning guys |
| 13:51.40 | drip | good morning |
| 13:55.17 | timinator | sup drip? |
| 13:55.59 | drip | not much.. scanning a signed requirements spec to our joyous confluence docs. |
| 13:56.24 | drip | then setting up a user-acceptance environment. |
| 13:56.38 | drip | qa environment |
| 13:56.40 | drip | all the fun stuff |
| 13:56.51 | timinator | nice |
| 13:57.18 | drip | yeah, especially since we've pretty much finished the entire coding of the project before the requirements were completely defined. |
| 13:57.22 | drip | he he |
| 13:57.42 | timinator | hate that |
| 13:59.06 | timinator | now that it does A, B, and C, we also want it to do D .... even though that means you have to rework A, B, and C |
| 13:59.08 | timinator | :) |
| 13:59.12 | timinator | yessir |
| 14:08.11 | drip | yeah |
| 14:08.20 | drip | and it's so much more expensive that way |
| 14:08.48 | drip | gotta love working with accounting folks on this stuff. |
| 14:09.38 | timinator | no doubt |
| 14:10.23 | drip | especially people who are used to hand-entering this stuff for the last 15 years. |
| 14:10.32 | timinator | geez |
| 14:11.37 | drip | data-entry for 15 years. |
| 14:11.53 | drip | that's got to shorten your life-expectancy by at least 10 years. |
| 14:12.22 | timinator | definately |
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| 14:57.42 | timinator | s/definately/definitely/ |
| 14:59.14 | atoponce | do we have any presenters scheduled? i think a few mentioned that they want to do it |
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| 16:00.36 | dataw0lf | morning |
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| 16:06.30 | cyco|w | hey dataw0lf you use any cisco 2950s ever? |
| 16:07.50 | dataw0lf | I've used the 48 port primarily, but the 24 port really isn't any different. So yea. |
| 16:08.35 | cyco|w | i just don't know much about managing them.. one of the guys got port security to shut down his port and he wants me to re-enable it.. |
| 16:09.13 | dataw0lf | use the 'switchport' command |
| 16:09.34 | dataw0lf | switchport port-security disable |
| 16:09.38 | dataw0lf | or something of that nature |
| 16:12.13 | cyco|w | sweet.. |
| 16:12.32 | cyco|w | but really i don't want to turn off port security.. |
| 16:13.21 | cyco|w | cause i want to know if someone plugs in more than 1 computer at their desk |
| 16:18.12 | dataw0lf | oh, well just to reset the state, it's like no shutdown or something |
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| 16:42.15 | bigdog_ut | rpm question...is there a way to reinstall and rpm...im missing some files from the rpm and want to get them back |
| 16:47.07 | jsmith | re-install without uninstalling? |
| 16:47.09 | jsmith | Or just see what's missing? |
| 16:47.20 | bigdog_ut | yeah i got it though...--replacepkgs |
| 16:47.52 | bigdog_ut | jsmith thanks for caring |
| 16:52.20 | bigdog_ut | ~ping timinator |
| 16:52.22 | jbot | pong timinator |
| 16:58.13 | timinator | sup? |
| 16:58.19 | timinator | IM? |
| 16:58.30 | dataw0lf | MI |
| 16:58.42 | dataw0lf | as in, they should be playing Ohio State |
| 16:58.44 | dataw0lf | har har har |
| 16:58.57 | timinator | courtesy laugh |
| 16:59.12 | dataw0lf | indignant rebuttal |
| 16:59.20 | timinator | LOL |
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| 16:59.28 | dataw0lf | :-) |
| 16:59.30 | dataw0lf | morning mac |
| 16:59.35 | timinator | mornin' mac |
| 17:00.36 | macnewbold | howdy, y'all |
| 17:00.53 | macnewbold | I might be in and out a bit this morning, |
| 17:00.58 | macnewbold | I'm trying to get a new monitor working right |
| 17:01.26 | macnewbold | can't get xorg to play friendly with my dell 20" widescreen - it doesn't like the 1680x1050 resolution |
| 17:02.41 | timinator | nice |
| 17:02.45 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: what driver you usin? |
| 17:03.06 | dataw0lf | oh wait. what is this, BSD? |
| 17:03.11 | macnewbold | well, I'm on freebsd, and xorg is using the nv driver it seems |
| 17:03.34 | macnewbold | the video card is a nvidia geforce FX 5200 or something like that |
| 17:03.36 | dataw0lf | dunno much about BSD nv specifics. |
| 17:03.49 | macnewbold | the monitor is dual input |
| 17:03.56 | macnewbold | and the vga just gets garbage, |
| 17:03.56 | dataw0lf | are you attempting to force the X.org config to accept the resolution? |
| 17:04.01 | dataw0lf | huh |
| 17:04.02 | macnewbold | but the dvi is now doing alittle better |
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| 17:04.43 | macnewbold | I'm getting about 1400x1050 now |
| 17:04.49 | macnewbold | but the monitor is in 1680x1050 mode |
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| 17:04.59 | macnewbold | right now it's auto detecting |
| 17:05.27 | dataw0lf | xorg can be such a pain in the rear |
| 17:05.52 | dataw0lf | http://wiki.python.org/moin/Advocacy |
| 17:06.18 | bigdog_ut | what is your modeline macnewbold ? |
| 17:07.23 | bigdog_ut | are you getting any edid errors in your xorg file |
| 17:07.42 | bigdog_ut | sorry not errors but information |
| 17:08.40 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.03 | bigdog_ut | have you tried turning off the modeline check on nvidia |
| 17:11.18 | bigdog_ut | i guess we went out |
| 17:11.23 | bigdog_ut | s/we/he/ |
| 17:12.05 | dataw0lf | or he's playing with that monitor. |
| 17:12.12 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 17:12.36 | bigdog_ut | ive been eyeing the 22 - 24 and think i might get one after the new year |
| 17:12.42 | bigdog_ut | got to play wow right |
| 17:12.49 | dataw0lf | dude, are you really playing wow |
| 17:13.32 | bigdog_ut | i got to kill some brain cells |
| 17:13.42 | dataw0lf | dude you're fired |
| 17:13.47 | _psychic_ | and some cash |
| 17:13.50 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Apparently MySQL has an --i-am-a-dummy flag :D |
| 17:13.54 | dataw0lf | I thought of all people you would be immune to that WoW crap |
| 17:14.09 | bigdog_ut | no way |
| 17:14.14 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer_: Yea, but it's a default value, since you're using MySQL |
| 17:14.15 | dataw0lf | har har har |
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| 17:15.21 | Lone_Wanderer | What with the new talent trees |
| 17:15.36 | dataw0lf | I can only assume you speak of WoW |
| 17:15.37 | macnewbold | sorry, I'm back now dataw0lf and bigdog_ut |
| 17:15.39 | Lone_Wanderer | hey bigdog_ut, is it possible to level past 60 now? |
| 17:15.50 | bigdog_ut | jan 16 with exp |
| 17:16.16 | dataw0lf | got that marked on your calendar? |
| 17:16.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I need to finish my epic bow quest. |
| 17:16.31 | macnewbold | I don't have any modelines forced now |
| 17:16.38 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: bigdog_ut was just asking you about... ok, you read it |
| 17:16.48 | macnewbold | # xrandr |
| 17:16.48 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.48 | macnewbold | *0 1400 x 1050 ( 434mm x 272mm ) *75 60 |
| 17:16.48 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.48 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.49 | bigdog_ut | does it work now? |
| 17:16.49 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.56 | macnewbold | I'm at 1400x1050 now |
| 17:17.04 | macnewbold | but still missing the last 280 pixels of width |
| 17:17.11 | dataw0lf | those the correct refresh values? |
| 17:17.30 | bigdog_ut | force the mode in your modeline and then see if video card will not validate with |
| 17:17.46 | bigdog_ut | Option "ModeValidation" "NoMaxPClkCheck" |
| 17:17.58 | bigdog_ut | that is in your card section |
| 17:18.17 | bigdog_ut | what nvidia card?...you using nvidia driver? |
| 17:18.22 | macnewbold | 5200 |
| 17:18.29 | macnewbold | xorg's nv driver |
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| 17:18.42 | macnewbold | I'm on amd64 so there isn't a working driver from nvidia for it yet |
| 17:18.49 | bigdog_ut | you might want to use the driver that nvidia makes |
| 17:18.57 | bigdog_ut | oh damn that sucks |
| 17:18.58 | beandog | driver for what? |
| 17:19.23 | beandog | http://www.boingboing.net/2006/12/05/gallery_kids_scared_.html |
| 17:19.46 | Lone_Wanderer | you play wow macnewbold? or did I misunderstand? |
| 17:20.23 | Lone_Wanderer | that picture's great beandog |
| 17:20.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I suspect the kid was just being a brat that day |
| 17:20.43 | beandog | heh |
| 17:20.43 | beandog | probably |
| 17:21.27 | bigdog_ut | we took my son to see santa |
| 17:21.28 | macnewbold | no, I just play warcraft 2 and sometimes 3, and starcraft. But I don't have much gametime unfortunately. |
| 17:21.38 | bigdog_ut | first words....ho ho ho to him |
| 17:21.48 | bigdog_ut | then asked for guitar and motorcycle |
| 17:22.16 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: hehe, your kid sounds like a young dataw0lf! |
| 17:22.18 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 17:22.20 | dataw0lf | <_< |
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| 17:22.52 | bigdog_ut | i wish i had the next zakk wylde on my hands |
| 17:23.09 | _psychic_ | if anyone plays call of duty here, we play after work some days |
| 17:23.22 | bigdog_ut | i do sometimes |
| 17:23.31 | bigdog_ut | older version |
| 17:23.33 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: where you work? |
| 17:23.39 | _psychic_ | CoD2, I should say |
| 17:23.48 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: mediaRAIN (Orem) |
| 17:23.51 | macnewbold | I'm getting these three warnings in my xorg log |
| 17:23.54 | macnewbold | (WW) (1280x960,Monitor0) mode clock 148.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 140MHz |
| 17:23.54 | macnewbold | (WW) (1280x1024,Monitor0) mode clock 157.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 140MHz |
| 17:23.54 | macnewbold | (WW) (1400x1050,Monitor0) mode clock 155.8MHz exceeds DDC maximum 140MHz |
| 17:24.12 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: looks like a driver issue fo sho. |
| 17:24.38 | macnewbold | but then it went ahead and used 1400x1050 anyway :) |
| 17:24.42 | macnewbold | after it got that warning |
| 17:24.50 | _psychic_ | also soccer at lunch MWF, if anyone's up for that as well :) |
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| 17:25.11 | macnewbold | (--) NV(0): Virtual size is 1400x1050 (pitch 1408) |
| 17:25.11 | macnewbold | (**) NV(0): *Default mode "1400x1050": 155.8 MHz, 81.5 kHz, 74.8 Hz |
| 17:25.12 | macnewbold | (II) NV(0): Modeline "1400x1050" 155.80 1400 1464 1784 1912 1050 1052 1064 1090 +hsync +vsync |
| 17:25.12 | macnewbold | (**) NV(0): *Default mode "1400x1050": 122.0 MHz, 64.9 kHz, 60.0 Hz |
| 17:25.12 | macnewbold | (II) NV(0): Modeline "1400x1050" 122.00 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1052 1064 1082 +hsync +vsync |
| 17:25.59 | bigdog_ut | you can try and set a modeline like that macnewbold |
| 17:26.08 | bigdog_ut | by passing all the values |
| 17:26.34 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: one more reason to use Linux... we have amd64 drivers... |
| 17:28.16 | beandog | buh |
| 17:28.20 | beandog | dont use the nvidia binary drivers at all. |
| 17:28.38 | beandog | If you wanna play games (and get rooted) use Windows |
| 17:29.20 | dataw0lf | psh. I can play all the games I have any inclination for fine on my Linux workstation |
| 17:29.39 | beandog | yah, you can play em fine, but you have no idea what kinda vulns are in those closed drivers. |
| 17:30.08 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: what games do you play on Linux |
| 17:31.12 | dataw0lf | beandog: If anyone manages to hack their way through my network into my machine and then compromise a GRAPHICS DRIVER, I'll give them a cookie. |
| 17:31.37 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: Doom 3 every month or so. Uh. HL2 every couple months or so. nethack. |
| 17:31.59 | beandog | dataw0lf: it can be rooted thorugh a webpage w/nvidia drivers. |
| 17:32.33 | dataw0lf | 'through a web page' ? |
| 17:32.57 | dataw0lf | as in, I'm browsing to a web page that has a certain JavaScript attack vector? Or that somehow through a webserver hosted on the target machine. |
| 17:34.10 | beandog | http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-200611-03.xml |
| 17:34.11 | beandog | An X client could trigger the buffer overflow with a maliciously crafted series of glyphs. A remote attacker could also entice a user to open a specially crafted web page, document or X client that will trigger the buffer overflow. |
| 17:34.11 | timinator | hey guys, I've got a question |
| 17:34.11 | timinator | when you connect to a DB |
| 17:34.11 | bigdog_ut | ~bigdog_ut |
| 17:34.13 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, bigdog_ut is a html and javascript guru!!! |
| 17:34.41 | dataw0lf | beandog: Ok, I'm upgraded, and RenderAccel is false. |
| 17:34.41 | dataw0lf | I would love to see the proof of concept that rooted a machine with that. |
| 17:34.41 | timinator | do you get in, get your data, throw it in an array, and close the connection right off? |
| 17:34.41 | beandog | dataw0lf: just google for it, I remember seeing one |
| 17:34.43 | dataw0lf | I can see crashing the Xserver. I truly doubt anyone is going to root my machine with that. |
| 17:34.47 | jsmith | timinator: Depends... how much data are you talking. |
| 17:34.59 | timinator | or do you start a connection at the beginning of your code, do everything, and close the connection as the last step? |
| 17:35.04 | beandog | Anyway, the point is, you cannot trust binary blobs. |
| 17:35.10 | macnewbold | timinator: is this in a web app or something else? |
| 17:35.14 | timinator | small amounts.... hundreds to thousands of rows |
| 17:35.15 | jsmith | timinator: Often, it's better to pull the data back a little at a time. It all depends on your app |
| 17:35.17 | timinator | web app |
| 17:35.43 | macnewbold | generally mine open the cnxn to the db the first time it is needed, and it closes when my script finishes executing |
| 17:35.44 | dataw0lf | timinator: If it's inevitable that they'll need all the data, there may be some reason to pull it all out in one shot. |
| 17:35.51 | bigdog_ut | brought to you by the bigdog - http://www.gizmag.com/go/6534/ |
| 17:36.14 | dataw0lf | However, if all the data is needed dependent on certain logic, then you definitely want to pull it out a little at a time. |
| 17:36.27 | timinator | I'm asking more about the duration of the connection, rather than the amount of data pulled.... |
| 17:36.39 | bigdog_ut | i leave mine up all the time |
| 17:36.42 | dataw0lf | well, the amount of data being pulled is related to how long you want the connection up |
| 17:36.46 | timinator | is it better to keep the connection open as little as possible, or as long as possible? |
| 17:37.02 | dataw0lf | depends on the data, and the application |
| 17:37.24 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: My goodness.. you need to warn us about articles that aren't safe for work ;-) |
| 17:37.32 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:37.41 | bigdog_ut | i forget...when i run the network |
| 17:37.46 | macnewbold | timinator: if you're able to successfully reuse persistent connections, leaving them open can be fine |
| 17:37.57 | beandog | jsmith: so you can click on just those? :) |
| 17:38.01 | timinator | so, for little amounts of data, you keep it open the whole time? and large amounts, you load it into an array and get out? |
| 17:38.10 | macnewbold | I never close a connection |
| 17:38.16 | macnewbold | it just closes when the script ends, |
| 17:38.20 | macnewbold | which is generally pretty qucik |
| 17:38.21 | beandog | me too |
| 17:38.22 | timinator | really? |
| 17:38.23 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, is that site blocked? |
| 17:38.28 | jsmith | beandog: No, so I can wait until my duaghter leaves the room |
| 17:38.30 | timinator | huh |
| 17:38.33 | jsmith | s/duaghter/daughter/ |
| 17:38.33 | beandog | persistent connections are generally bad (so sayeth docs) |
| 17:38.47 | beandog | well, unnecessary is probably more accurate |
| 17:38.47 | macnewbold | unless you're getting "too many connections" errors, it's not a problem to have it open |
| 17:38.50 | macnewbold | it doesn't take much resources |
| 17:39.35 | timinator | it's a new company, I may reach "too many connections" sooner than later |
| 17:39.48 | timinator | but I'm not in danger at all now |
| 17:40.02 | dataw0lf | well, you want to take scalability into account. |
| 17:40.35 | timinator | k |
| 17:40.44 | timinator | second part of the question: |
| 17:41.00 | timinator | does anyone use multiple databases? |
| 17:41.09 | dataw0lf | yes. |
| 17:41.13 | macnewbold | not for the same web app, unless I absolutely have to |
| 17:41.14 | timinator | or put all data in various tables within only 1 DB |
| 17:41.25 | macnewbold | it's much easier to have them all in one db |
| 17:41.41 | macnewbold | you'll need a separate connection for each server/user/db combination |
| 17:41.46 | bigdog_ut | i have used different dbs in postgresql for one application |
| 17:42.11 | dataw0lf | timinator: there aren't many situations you're going to need multiple dbs |
| 17:42.15 | dataw0lf | especially in a web app |
| 17:42.27 | dataw0lf | And I'm pretty sure you'll KNOW when you gots to use more than one db |
| 17:42.49 | beandog | agreed |
| 17:42.55 | beandog | use one if you can help it. |
| 17:43.06 | timinator | k |
| 17:43.17 | dataw0lf | beware, if you do use multiple database, mysql_connect() if passed the same parameters will reuse the current handle |
| 17:43.28 | dataw0lf | been caught by that one before. |
| 17:44.17 | timinator | k |
| 17:45.22 | timinator | thanks for the input guys |
| 17:45.38 | dataw0lf | have fun |
| 17:47.00 | dataw0lf | http://static.flickr.com/27/60298244_1105de01a0_m.jpg totally gonna be my next tattoo |
| 17:47.16 | beandog | is that real? |
| 17:47.19 | beandog | it looks painted on |
| 17:47.22 | dataw0lf | looks like it's real |
| 17:47.24 | dataw0lf | he just got it |
| 17:47.29 | beandog | oh |
| 17:47.34 | beandog | doesnt the color fade after time? |
| 17:47.45 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 17:48.22 | dataw0lf | it's really really bright when you first get em |
| 17:48.27 | Lone_Wanderer | wait, wait |
| 17:48.45 | Lone_Wanderer | you can compromise a machine with buggy graphics drivers by making it display just the right image? |
| 17:49.26 | beandog | according to the advisory, it seems that way |
| 17:49.38 | Lone_Wanderer | that has got to be the coolest thing I've ever heard of |
| 17:49.47 | Lone_Wanderer | almost as good as snow crash |
| 17:49.54 | beandog | snow crash? |
| 17:50.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Snow Crash is the name of a book which is written about a computer virus / drug of the same name |
| 17:50.57 | Lone_Wanderer | The main character's name is Hiro Protagonist |
| 17:51.11 | beandog | huh |
| 17:51.30 | timinator | alegory?! |
| 17:51.47 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a good book. You should read it. |
| 17:52.09 | dataw0lf | SNOW CRASH ROCKS |
| 17:52.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I want to be a Deliverator. |
| 17:54.13 | timinator | I dislike algories |
| 17:54.19 | Lone_Wanderer | allegories? |
| 17:55.41 | timinator | .....yes |
| 17:55.52 | timinator | sorry for the misspelling |
| 17:58.07 | drip | you dislike al gore - ies? |
| 17:59.03 | drip | al gore groupies? |
| 17:59.07 | drip | he he |
| 17:59.45 | timinator | yes, I dislike anything containing al gore |
| 18:00.42 | dataw0lf | like the Vast Left Conspiracy? |
| 18:01.20 | dataw0lf | I think the left is too inept and clueless to actually 'conspire', of course, just asking you. |
| 18:03.39 | timinator | ya |
| 18:05.10 | timinator | are you talking about the whole democratic push to get HIllary into the White House? |
| 18:05.33 | dataw0lf | that won't happen. |
| 18:05.41 | dataw0lf | if they want to win. |
| 18:06.02 | dataw0lf | I say let's agree that a President can have a third term and get Billy boy back in office. |
| 18:06.18 | timinator | ???? |
| 18:06.23 | timinator | I thought you were a dem |
| 18:06.23 | dataw0lf | Bill Clinton |
| 18:06.30 | dataw0lf | I'm no dem. |
| 18:06.44 | dataw0lf | But I'm much less of a republican than a dem. |
| 18:07.14 | dataw0lf | I'm what I like to call "Tough, realistic liberal" |
| 18:08.36 | dataw0lf | I don't hug trees, I want illegal immigrants OUT, and I like to kick other countries' a$$es. When there is sufficient cause, however. |
| 18:08.39 | timinator | "tough and realistic"... and you want billy boy back at the helm?? |
| 18:09.06 | dataw0lf | hey, Bill Clinton had a great terrorist watch group, and beat countries the right way. By lobbing cruise missiles at them. |
| 18:09.31 | dataw0lf | I'll forgive him for gutting social security. this time. |
| 18:10.31 | drip | ..and think of the fabulous PR work he did for the cigar industry. =P |
| 18:10.38 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:10.57 | dataw0lf | he can do whatever he wants to a cigar, as far as I'm concerned. Just don't lie about it again. |
| 18:11.32 | timinator | I agree on that |
| 18:12.12 | timinator | and I agree that we shouldn't be talking peace w/ Terrorists |
| 18:12.20 | dataw0lf | I mean, if we want to talk about dishonesty, well, hehe, I think Clinton wins on that issue. With what our current president has been spewing for the past, oh, 5 years. |
| 18:13.23 | dataw0lf | 'we shouldn't be talking peace with terrorists' ? |
| 18:13.27 | dataw0lf | What do you mean by that? |
| 18:13.51 | dataw0lf | We need to gain diplomatic pull in Syria, Iran, and Iraq. |
| 18:14.25 | dataw0lf | Because buddy, you can work that playground bully crap on Iraq, but Syria and Iran ain't having it. They'll throw down. |
| 18:15.17 | timinator | they're all the same dang thing |
| 18:15.17 | timinator | they're terrorists.... |
| 18:15.17 | dataw0lf | Israel will be a cinder if we completely alienate Syria and Iran. |
| 18:15.17 | timinator | they're muslums |
| 18:15.18 | timinator | they've been fighting against Israel for years and years |
| 18:15.22 | dataw0lf | Just because you're muslim doesn't equate to being terrorist. |
| 18:15.43 | timinator | unfortunately, it does |
| 18:15.43 | dataw0lf | Do you think beating Syria and Iran would have any negative effect on terrorism? |
| 18:15.50 | dataw0lf | hahahahaha |
| 18:16.24 | dataw0lf | I'm going to make a guess and say you mean 'funds, training grounds, etc' |
| 18:16.35 | dataw0lf | Well, that isn't where we should be pointing our weapons, then. |
| 18:16.52 | dataw0lf | Unfortunately, the real target is too much a friend of Bush's family and half of Capitol Hill. |
| 18:17.04 | timinator | I agree |
| 18:17.05 | dataw0lf | and we'll never attack them |
| 18:17.11 | dataw0lf | for the next 50 years at least |
| 18:17.31 | timinator | they're the biggest terrorist nation, and they're our "friends" |
| 18:17.48 | dataw0lf | they're the only 'real' 'terrorist nation'. |
| 18:18.02 | dataw0lf | the only country that if we attacked, invaded, whatever, would have some effect on terrorism. |
| 18:18.13 | timinator | and they can say anything or do anything and we just sit back and watch and disregard any of it in the name of peace |
| 18:18.20 | dataw0lf | All that would happen in Syria and Iran would be condensation of terrorism, sponsored by our Sheikh friends in Saudi. |
| 18:18.21 | timinator | yes |
| 18:18.38 | timinator | yes |
| 18:18.43 | timinator | it's BS |
| 18:18.57 | timinator | we can't align ourselves with both sides |
| 18:19.02 | dataw0lf | so the connection between terrorism and Syria/Iran is invalid, because, despite their 'support' for terrorism, which isn't as hardline as you may think, attacking them will only have negative impact on our 'War on Terror' |
| 18:19.05 | timinator | and that's what we've done for years |
| 18:19.31 | dataw0lf | If I were to agree on the whole basis of the 'War on Terror', then I'd grow balls and nuke Saudi and deal with the problem. But I don't, really. |
| 18:19.48 | drip | but nonetheless.. our friend in Iran wants to wipe Isreal from the face of the Earth. |
| 18:19.52 | dataw0lf | timinator: Exactly. So really, Bush is just aiding terrorism, isn't he? |
| 18:19.53 | drip | sounds like terrorism to me. |
| 18:19.59 | timinator | so do the rest of them |
| 18:20.10 | drip | the extremists, yes. |
| 18:20.13 | dataw0lf | Personally, I'd like to see both iran and israel wiped off the map. |
| 18:20.14 | drip | not all muslims |
| 18:20.17 | dataw0lf | They're both extremists. |
| 18:20.33 | dataw0lf | of course, we've chosen to align ourselves behind one extremist state (Israel) over others. |
| 18:20.40 | timinator | only because the media makes israel out to be that way |
| 18:20.53 | dataw0lf | ever been to Israel? Or trained with their military? |
| 18:20.55 | dataw0lf | I have. |
| 18:21.05 | dataw0lf | Their just as bad as Jihad orientated muslims. |
| 18:21.09 | dataw0lf | s/Their/They're |
| 18:21.12 | timinator | I know where you're going w/ that..... |
| 18:21.31 | timinator | but if all my neighbors were trying to kick my ass, I'd kick back too |
| 18:21.48 | dataw0lf | making Israel look like the benign victim here is far, far from the truth. |
| 18:22.48 | dataw0lf | the Lavon Affair, the War of Attrition, all that |
| 18:22.59 | dataw0lf | the Lavon Affair really sparked the Arab nations to COUNTER what Israel was doing |
| 18:23.05 | dataw0lf | Namely, bomb various targets in Egypt. |
| 18:23.49 | timinator | they've been attacked for years.... I'd be bombing too. |
| 18:24.05 | timinator | everyone around them is attacking them |
| 18:24.09 | timinator | to wipe them out |
| 18:24.11 | beandog | I wanna go to Egypt |
| 18:24.22 | timinator | they're trying to have their own country |
| 18:24.35 | timinator | their enemies have their own countries |
| 18:24.59 | timinator | and it's a religion thing too.... |
| 18:25.11 | dataw0lf | timinator: Heh, well, they mass immigrated there and violated the law of the land (bought from Arabians) by establishing criminal agricultural centers |
| 18:25.22 | timinator | to that that out, removes all the motivation from the efforts on both sides |
| 18:25.40 | dataw0lf | Well, it's more deep seated than religion now |
| 18:25.46 | timinator | immigrated from where? |
| 18:25.47 | dataw0lf | But religion is definitely the spark |
| 18:25.53 | dataw0lf | the Diaspora |
| 18:25.56 | timinator | they've been there since the bible times |
| 18:26.22 | timinator | and the Muslims have been trying to wipe them out since then |
| 18:26.32 | dataw0lf | ha |
| 18:26.45 | dataw0lf | they've both been trying to edge each other out for years |
| 18:27.11 | dataw0lf | and the Jews, in bible times, were mostly expelled by the Romans |
| 18:27.16 | timinator | you bring religion into it, and a lot more makes since |
| 18:27.18 | dataw0lf | because of the jews attempted revolts |
| 18:27.31 | dataw0lf | or makes less sense, if you're not religious minded |
| 18:27.59 | timinator | it doesn't matter if *you're* religious minded |
| 18:28.03 | Lone_Wanderer | oh hell no |
| 18:28.04 | timinator | we're talking about them |
| 18:28.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I know you did not just say that all muslims are terrorists |
| 18:28.26 | dataw0lf | timinator: Right, and it's my opinion that religion is completely illogical, so any combatative actions based on it make much less sense to me. |
| 18:29.06 | dataw0lf | let me ask you this timinator, since you're from Utah, and if I get insulting, let me know, I'm not trying to be |
| 18:29.23 | timinator | k |
| 18:29.42 | dataw0lf | Let's say the Native Americans, who'd been there in Utah before Mormons came, suddenly showed up and established a state in Utah, based upon their own religion. |
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| 18:29.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Man, I wish I hadn't missed half of this conversation |
| 18:30.09 | beandog | oh crap, that geek lunch is tomorrow |
| 18:30.12 | beandog | :C |
| 18:30.20 | dataw0lf | most Utah mormons would be pretty abhorrent about the whole thing, but maybe a couple extremists from both sides start some aggressive actions |
| 18:30.30 | dataw0lf | there erupts a war. |
| 18:30.34 | dataw0lf | who would you side with? |
| 18:30.44 | dataw0lf | The Mormons, although not the first people there have had the land for centuries |
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| 18:30.55 | dataw0lf | or the Native Americans, who are the original people of the land and want it back? |
| 18:31.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Israel was actually created by the Allied forces at the end of WWII |
| 18:31.05 | dataw0lf | and let's say America sponsors the Native Americans |
| 18:31.29 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: It was a mass apology to Jews for the Holocaust, basically. Illogical. |
| 18:31.42 | Lone_Wanderer | despite it's being promised to Palestine in exchange for Palestine's aid in the war |
| 18:32.16 | dataw0lf | I'm going to smoke a cigarette, you think on that one timinator, I'll be back in 5. |
| 18:32.21 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: wheres that |
| 18:32.50 | Lone_Wanderer | So I can state with some degree of authority that anyone who thinks that all Muslims are terrorists is either a complete idiot or willingly deluding themselves. |
| 18:32.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Morocco |
| 18:33.26 | beandog | ooh man |
| 18:33.27 | beandog | that is cool. |
| 18:33.33 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah I love it there |
| 18:34.01 | drip | the actual extremist terrorist muslims are by far the minority of muslims. |
| 18:34.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Rabat is on the same... I forget whether it's lattitude or longitude |
| 18:34.15 | Lone_Wanderer | but it's on the same north-south line as San Diego |
| 18:34.22 | drip | but bombs get a lot more media attention then muslims asking them to stop |
| 18:34.31 | Lone_Wanderer | so the weather is perfect |
| 18:34.41 | Lone_Wanderer | That's 'cause the media is run by Jews. |
| 18:34.57 | timinator | WHAT?!?!? |
| 18:35.03 | Lone_Wanderer | lol I was kidding tim |
| 18:35.13 | timinator | *sigh |
| 18:35.20 | timinator | can't tell anymore |
| 18:36.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Although I have heard the New York Times referred to as the Jew York Times |
| 18:36.57 | Lone_Wanderer | and I do believe that the US media is biased in favor of Israel |
| 18:37.14 | timinator | I believe the opposite |
| 18:37.23 | Lone_Wanderer | that it's biased in favor of Muslims? |
| 18:37.42 | dataw0lf | the U.S. as a whole is biased in favor of Israel. |
| 18:37.42 | timinator | ya |
| 18:37.49 | dataw0lf | We have alot of Jewish influence here. |
| 18:38.02 | dataw0lf | And it's an island of Western thought in an otherwise alien place. |
| 18:38.06 | Lone_Wanderer | *cough* Hollywood *cough* |
| 18:38.06 | timinator | we have a lot of Muslim influence too... |
| 18:38.19 | dataw0lf | Not on the media. |
| 18:38.44 | timinator | countries throughout the world have dropped their values and the Muslims have taken over |
| 18:38.45 | Lone_Wanderer | How many Hollocaust movies have there been in the past ten years? |
| 18:38.46 | dataw0lf | Muslim influence is in the 1) oil industry, of course, and 2) pharmaceutical industries |
| 18:38.50 | timinator | look at France for that one |
| 18:38.57 | dataw0lf | Just think |
| 18:39.03 | dataw0lf | the gallon of gas you bought this morning |
| 18:39.06 | timinator | there's 1.2 Billion Muslims in the world.... |
| 18:39.17 | dataw0lf | is probably going to fund the next major terrorist operation in America |
| 18:39.22 | Lone_Wanderer | numbers != influence in the US |
| 18:39.23 | timinator | YES.... I'm contributing to the wrong side |
| 18:39.45 | dataw0lf | Personally, I think the amount of action we've taken in favor of Israel is appalling |
| 18:39.58 | dataw0lf | and it's going to bite us in the arse fairly soon |
| 18:40.05 | dataw0lf | (not that it isn't already) |
| 18:40.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Half of all USAID goes to Israel. The other half gets split up among the rest of the world. |
| 18:40.13 | timinator | that's because you want to take the religion out of it |
| 18:40.31 | Lone_Wanderer | If you think 9/11 had nothing to do with our support of Israel... |
| 18:40.45 | Lone_Wanderer | (among other things, certainly) |
| 18:40.45 | dataw0lf | Well, I don't feel Judaism nor Islam have any edge over one another. |
| 18:40.53 | dataw0lf | I don't really care, to be frank. |
| 18:41.28 | dataw0lf | if I was going to join a religion, it might be Islam. Just because of the whole 'virgin' factor. |
| 18:41.32 | dataw0lf | but that's me. |
| 18:42.02 | dataw0lf | I prefer to stay happily unaffiliated and mock, however. |
| 18:42.07 | timinator | One's the victim, the other the aggressor, we either help the victim and thus side w/ them, or we look the other way thus siding w/ the aggressor |
| 18:42.37 | Lone_Wanderer | That is a fantastically uneducated, misguided, and inaccurate view. |
| 18:42.47 | timinator | why's that? |
| 18:42.48 | dataw0lf | I think this issue is too complex to say "Hey, Israel is a total victim, Islamic fundamentalists are the aggressors, let's do the right thing and supply the victim with nuclear missiles" |
| 18:42.56 | dataw0lf | although it's often portrayed that way |
| 18:43.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Because both sides of the issue have done horrible things. |
| 18:43.34 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, you get your card working? |
| 18:43.37 | dataw0lf | They're both the aggressors. They both have radical fundamentalists that are at the root of the problem. |
| 18:43.54 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: still working on it |
| 18:43.59 | timinator | they're fighting, they're at war.... armies do terrible things in war...... |
| 18:44.02 | dataw0lf | I say let Israel handle itself, or bomb them all. |
| 18:44.09 | macnewbold | the option to disable checking isn't available it says |
| 18:44.18 | macnewbold | so it won't tell me a valid modeline for 1680x1050 |
| 18:44.28 | timinator | .......... |
| 18:44.33 | timinator | I lost my thought |
| 18:44.45 | dataw0lf | timinator: I dunno, I wasn't throwing grenades or firing automatic weapons upon civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan. |
| 18:44.50 | dataw0lf | which both sides are doing. |
| 18:44.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Being at war does nto give one carte blanche to commit atrocities. |
| 18:45.14 | Lone_Wanderer | not* |
| 18:45.28 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Sure it does! Ask Bush! |
| 18:45.47 | timinator | I agree, but that was leading to another point.... |
| 18:46.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Unless you're George Bush and you want to declare war on vague concepts. |
| 18:46.27 | dataw0lf | I've been waiting for the "War on Misshapen Twinkies" for a while now. |
| 18:46.41 | timinator | well, he can't declare war on multiple contries |
| 18:46.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Up Next: The US Wars on Poverty, Illiteracy, and Nonconformists. |
| 18:46.59 | drip | dataw0lf: doesn't that usually happen after you've partaken of the Misshapen Twinkie? |
| 18:47.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Well you can't exactly declare war on "terror" either. |
| 18:47.03 | timinator | and he can't declare war on the real issue... the religion of islam |
| 18:47.17 | dataw0lf | drip: it's true. they're sly and get past port security. |
| 18:47.21 | macnewbold | aha |
| 18:47.25 | macnewbold | found the magic table |
| 18:47.45 | Lone_Wanderer | You really, honestly think that the religion of Islam is the real issue? |
| 18:47.52 | dataw0lf | timinator: Heh. So you want to just wipe out the religion of Islam then? |
| 18:48.01 | timinator | you honestly think that religion has nothing to do w/ it? |
| 18:48.11 | dataw0lf | I think it has alot to do with it. |
| 18:48.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Of course it does but that doesn't make it "the real issue". |
| 18:48.35 | dataw0lf | There's no realistic way to wipe out a religion. Not that I'd support it in any case. |
| 18:48.38 | timinator | then why is it called a jihad? |
| 18:48.50 | Lone_Wanderer | You could just as easily say that Judaism is the real issue, because if there were no Israel we wouldn't have a problem. |
| 18:49.23 | Lone_Wanderer | By the way, "jihad" is the wrong word for it. |
| 18:49.32 | Lone_Wanderer | "Jihad" is Arabic for "striving in the path of God" |
| 18:49.50 | dataw0lf | well, I take that back, if we could wipe out all organized religions in one stroke, I'd probably vote for that one. |
| 18:50.12 | timinator | except that Judaism doesn't have a stipulation that you go to heaven if you kill a muslim... and that you have 70 free tickets to heaven to doll out to your family and buddies |
| 18:50.17 | timinator | but muslim does |
| 18:50.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Calling Muslim terrorists "Jihadists" has the same effect on this war that calling German soldiers "Socialist Aryan National Heroes" would have had in WWII. |
| 18:50.37 | timinator | hang on |
| 18:51.04 | Lone_Wanderer | And saying that we want to kill all Jihadists means that we want to kill all good Muslims. Not the best PR move. |
| 18:51.19 | dataw0lf | timinator: You're right. The Jews are the "Chosen People" and the only ones with right to Israel. |
| 18:51.43 | timinator | back... |
| 18:51.45 | timinator | ya |
| 18:52.10 | Lone_Wanderer | There's a better word to use, also Arabic, but I've forgotten what it is now. |
| 18:52.11 | timinator | what are they trying to do? .... make farms, build buildings, invent cool straws |
| 18:52.13 | timinator | good stuff |
| 18:52.19 | dataw0lf | How about we all agree that organized religion as a whole is the cause of most problems in the world and if we get rid of it we'll all be better? |
| 18:52.31 | Lone_Wanderer | kill Palestinians, take land that doesn't belong to them... |
| 18:52.41 | timinator | lol |
| 18:52.47 | dataw0lf | timinator: Kill children, wipe out entire neighborhoods.. |
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| 18:52.56 | drip | sounds like what we should do to ogden. |
| 18:53.01 | drip | =P |
| 18:53.04 | timinator | lol |
| 18:53.15 | dataw0lf | I've seen Ogden, you'd probably be better with wiping out the entire city, not just neighborhoods. |
| 18:53.23 | timinator | no doubt |
| 18:53.24 | drip | he he |
| 18:53.48 | dataw0lf | I gotta go to court in 8 minutes. |
| 18:54.01 | dataw0lf | or leave for court, rather. |
| 18:55.19 | timinator | good chat |
| 18:55.21 | timinator | :) |
| 18:55.38 | timinator | still love ya DW |
| 18:56.03 | drip | must.. |
| 18:56.08 | drip | feed. |
| 18:56.26 | Lone_Wanderer | With luck, timinator, I'll have forgotten that it was you I had this argument with by tomorrow or the next day :p |
| 18:56.36 | dataw0lf | timinator: Just let me know if I get too offensive, I know I can sometimes. |
| 18:57.03 | timinator | naw... I'm good |
| 18:57.15 | timinator | you?? |
| 18:57.21 | dataw0lf | hehe, oh, I'm fine. |
| 18:57.28 | dataw0lf | you'll know if I get pissed. |
| 18:57.29 | Lone_Wanderer | DW has a think skin |
| 18:57.34 | Lone_Wanderer | thick* |
| 18:57.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know of a place I can get good headphones in south Salt Lake, near 33rd south? |
| 18:58.01 | dataw0lf | Best Buy |
| 18:58.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I haven't seen one around here |
| 18:58.24 | dataw0lf | It's on like 15s and state |
| 18:58.28 | dataw0lf | I can't remember exactly. |
| 18:58.31 | Lone_Wanderer | k cool |
| 18:58.36 | dataw0lf | I used to live on 33rd south |
| 18:58.47 | drip | no it's on 33rd isn't it? |
| 18:58.53 | Lone_Wanderer | there it is, 281 W 2100 S |
| 18:59.01 | drip | that's right. |
| 18:59.08 | Lone_Wanderer | alright, see you all later |
| 18:59.12 | dataw0lf | take care |
| 18:59.15 | drip | you might check comp usa too. |
| 18:59.16 | timinator | later |
| 19:00.21 | dataw0lf | anyone want a linux shell for OSS development? Last call! |
| 19:02.05 | dataw0lf | time to drive to court. |
| 19:02.05 | dataw0lf | If I don't come back today, probably means I'm in jail for the weekend. |
| 19:02.05 | dataw0lf | Cheers! |
| 19:02.17 | jsmith | Good luck! |
| 19:03.28 | timinator | later DW |
| 19:05.35 | Utah_Dav1 | dataw0lf: I'll take a linux shell |
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| 19:18.18 | macnewbold | w00t! got my monitor working |
| 19:18.46 | macnewbold | 20" widescreen LCD from Dell, for under $250 including shipping - 1680x1050 resolution |
| 19:18.57 | macnewbold | three terminals side by side without overlap |
| 19:19.17 | macnewbold | ~rejoice |
| 19:19.25 | jbot | No, damit!!! |
| 19:19.25 | macnewbold | ~dance |
| 19:19.27 | jbot | i guess dance is ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' elive, stayin' elive.. |
| 19:24.24 | burnin | macnewbold, nice, what is the average response time on that monitor? |
| 19:38.11 | macnewbold | I have no idea |
| 19:38.15 | macnewbold | it's on dell's web site I bet |
| 19:38.47 | macnewbold | it's the E207WFP |
| 19:38.57 | macnewbold | the 20" widescreen without USB hub |
| 19:39.01 | macnewbold | nor speakers |
| 19:42.31 | burnin | 800:1 contrast ratio, 300 cd/m^2 brightness, 16ms response time, 1680x1050 native resolution, for under $250, very nice. |
| 19:42.54 | burnin | how long did it take Dell to ship? |
| 19:53.44 | macnewbold | um, we had it in less than 5 business days IIRC |
| 19:54.14 | macnewbold | we bought three of them for work for like $736 total |
| 19:54.22 | timinator | NICE |
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| 20:11.50 | timinator | pet peeve of the hour: emails that start out saying, "Check this out. <BLANK> happened <X> minutes after sending this email out to <Y> of my friends." |
| 20:12.19 | timinator | THEN HOW THE HECK DID YOU TYPE IT IN THE EMAIL BEFORE IT HAPPENED?!?!?! |
| 20:12.28 | timinator | uuugh |
| 20:12.57 | timinator | AND WHY THE HECK DID YOU WASTE MY TIME?!?! |
| 20:13.03 | timinator | uurgh |
| 20:20.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Why can't things just work? |
| 20:22.37 | timinator | LW: you going to the geek lunch tomorrow? |
| 20:23.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe, where is it? |
| 20:23.46 | timinator | Bountiful |
| 20:24.02 | Lone_Wanderer | where's that relative to, say, 33rd south? |
| 20:24.25 | drip | approximately 10 miles north |
| 20:24.36 | Lone_Wanderer | sure |
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| 20:33.27 | mindjuju | Geek Lunch tomorrow! |
| 20:33.43 | timinator | yes |
| 20:33.45 | timinator | !!!!! |
| 20:33.56 | timinator | anyone have an address? |
| 20:34.07 | drip | http://www.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&q=robintinos&near=bountiful+utah&sll=40.894051,-111.879959&sspn=0.117824,0.347786&ie=UTF8&latlng=40876320,-111892213,13730672960377345411&ei=rnh4Rf57moSNA4PblbgB |
| 20:34.41 | drip | 1385 S 500 W |
| 20:34.45 | drip | Woods Cross |
| 20:34.59 | timinator | cool, thanks |
| 20:35.33 | drip | take 500 South Bountiful exit.. head east up to 500 West.. head south and it's on the left |
| 20:35.52 | drip | a mile or two down the street |
| 20:36.24 | mindjuju | weird, on the map i sent it's the exact same address, except that one says woods cross and mine said bountifu |
| 20:36.32 | mindjuju | same address though down to the zip code |
| 20:36.57 | timinator | perhaps they rezoned.... and now the DB has two entries |
| 20:37.03 | drip | it's right on the border. |
| 20:37.05 | drip | so who knows. |
| 20:37.07 | drip | lol |
| 20:44.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know if Bluemars (internet radio) has gone down permanently? |
| 20:45.15 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhhh, there we go. found it. |
| 20:45.51 | _psychic_ | http://guitarshredshow.com/ <-- daily awesomeness |
| 20:52.05 | Utah_Dave | I'm trying to configure my php.ini to NOT show notices |
| 20:52.23 | Utah_Dave | I have error_reporting = E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE |
| 20:52.35 | Utah_Dave | I restarted apache and I'm still getting them |
| 20:52.54 | Utah_Dave | anybody know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 20:53.00 | mindjuju | ~monkey apache notices |
| 20:53.01 | jbot | ACTION flings poo at apache notices |
| 20:53.14 | _psychic_ | those directives can be overwritten by .htaccess directives |
| 20:53.16 | _psychic_ | or php code |
| 20:53.19 | Utah_Dave | I can always count on mindjuju! |
| 20:53.44 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: I know, but I'd rather just turn them off in the php.ini |
| 20:54.07 | _psychic_ | It doesn't work that way afaik. |
| 20:54.13 | _psychic_ | It can be overridden. |
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| 20:58.18 | timinator | drip: you going to lunch tomorrow? |
| 20:58.36 | drip | planning on it. |
| 20:58.43 | drip | what time is it at again? |
| 20:59.51 | mindjuju | @12:30p |
| 21:00.12 | drip | k |
| 21:00.20 | timinator | nice mindjuju |
| 21:00.35 | drip | ~poo mindjuju |
| 21:00.37 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at mindjuju |
| 21:00.51 | mindjuju | not a led zep fan, drip? |
| 21:01.04 | drip | no.. just wanted to fling it at someone. |
| 21:01.13 | mindjuju | now that is funny |
| 21:01.14 | drip | i do like some zep |
| 21:01.25 | timinator | La Grange |
| 21:01.52 | timinator | the only song where it's socially acceptable to growl |
| 21:02.03 | mindjuju | yeah, zz top rox |
| 21:04.13 | mindjuju | that's not a bad idea, i think i'll queue Images and Words next |
| 21:04.32 | drip | listening to Falling into Infinity right now. |
| 21:04.39 | mindjuju | then a little Queensyrche |
| 21:04.50 | mindjuju | mindcrime or empire? hmmm... |
| 21:04.57 | drip | mindcrime |
| 21:06.07 | drip | although Promised Land is pretty good too. |
| 21:11.27 | Utah_Dave | I'm doing some data processing. As I'm going along, I'm populating a multi-dimension array. |
| 21:12.17 | Utah_Dave | It's driving me nuts because I keep getting these notices about undefined indices |
| 21:12.38 | Utah_Dave | I don't know what the array will look like beforehand |
| 21:12.44 | Utah_Dave | am I coding this wrong? |
| 21:13.31 | Utah_Dave | the array gets populated correctly, but it seems PHP thinks I'm not conforming to coding standards |
| 21:13.32 | timinator | what's the code look like? |
| 21:13.50 | Utah_Dave | I have a foreach loop |
| 21:14.09 | Utah_Dave | and depending on different criteria data is added to another array |
| 21:14.54 | Utah_Dave | ~pastebin |
| 21:14.55 | jbot | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:15.42 | Lone_Wanderer | So... tired... |
| 21:17.21 | Utah_Dave | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4745 |
| 21:17.22 | Lone_Wanderer | You can indeed turn off notices in your php.ini |
| 21:17.31 | Lone_Wanderer | and the way you're doing it should be correct, though I'm not sure about the tilde |
| 21:18.17 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: Yeah, I've done it before. I just don't know why it's not working right now |
| 21:18.37 | Lone_Wanderer | $data['user_details'0 is the first thing I see |
| 21:18.40 | timinator | this looks a little weird: $data['user_details'0 |
| 21:19.12 | Utah_Dave | ok, that's just a typo. The code is on an internal network that doesn't touch the internet |
| 21:19.16 | Lone_Wanderer | $event->Duratoin |
| 21:19.18 | Utah_Dave | so I couldn't just cut and paste |
| 21:19.20 | Lone_Wanderer | oh |
| 21:19.23 | Utah_Dave | I just typed it in too fast |
| 21:19.25 | timinator | oh |
| 21:19.26 | Lone_Wanderer | what's the notice? |
| 21:19.30 | Utah_Dave | let me fix it |
| 21:19.56 | Utah_Dave | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4746 |
| 21:20.22 | Utah_Dave | Severity: Notice |
| 21:20.33 | Utah_Dave | Message: Undefined index: eventtotals |
| 21:20.46 | Utah_Dave | Filename: controllers/inout.php |
| 21:20.48 | Lone_Wanderer | If you're creating it in the loop, then that doesn't matter. |
| 21:21.01 | Lone_Wanderer | in fact it's expected |
| 21:21.11 | Utah_Dave | it's because I'm creating it in the loop? |
| 21:21.16 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 21:21.38 | Lone_Wanderer | when you access it, it doesn't exist, but it gets created in the act of accessing it |
| 21:21.48 | Lone_Wanderer | which is why it's just a notice |
| 21:22.33 | Utah_Dave | ok, |
| 21:23.16 | Utah_Dave | I can turn it off with the error_reporting() function in php |
| 21:23.23 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah but that's a hack |
| 21:23.38 | Utah_Dave | error_reporting(E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE) |
| 21:23.48 | Utah_Dave | but I can't seem to get it turned off in the php.ini |
| 21:23.54 | Lone_Wanderer | lemme check mine |
| 21:23.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I think the ~ is what's breaking it |
| 21:24.25 | Lone_Wanderer | nope, that's how it is in mine as well |
| 21:24.52 | Lone_Wanderer | you sure you've got the right php.ini? |
| 21:27.08 | Utah_Dave | not 100% sure. I'm looking right now. |
| 21:27.18 | Utah_Dave | I just have to restart apache to put it into effect, right? |
| 21:27.23 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 21:28.10 | Utah_Dave | locate php.ini |
| 21:28.16 | Utah_Dave | /etc/php.ini |
| 21:28.23 | timinator | Utah_Dave: if that foreach creates the array |
| 21:28.25 | Lone_Wanderer | make a file with phpinfo() in it |
| 21:28.28 | Utah_Dave | It says there's only one php.ini |
| 21:28.40 | Lone_Wanderer | weird |
| 21:28.41 | timinator | and that array has the first two levels defined |
| 21:29.07 | timinator | you should be able to define that first |
| 21:29.14 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: phpinfo() says it's at /etc/php.ini |
| 21:29.15 | timinator | before the foreach() |
| 21:29.19 | timinator | have this: |
| 21:29.20 | Lone_Wanderer | mmkay |
| 21:29.28 | timinator | $data['totals']['eventtotals'] = array(); |
| 21:29.43 | Lone_Wanderer | then check and see if error_reporting is declared in more than one place in that php.ini, and also make sure the line isn't commented out :p |
| 21:30.08 | Utah_Dave | timinator: $data['totals'] = array(); won't work? |
| 21:30.39 | Lone_Wanderer | eventtotals would still be undefined or undeclared or whatever |
| 21:31.13 | Utah_Dave | ok, let me try that |
| 21:34.04 | Utah_Dave | still gives me an error. It appears that every array that's created on the fly is throwing up the notice |
| 21:34.05 | timinator | hmmm |
| 21:34.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Like I said ;) |
| 21:34.47 | Utah_Dave | for now I'm just going to turn off error reporting right before that loop and then re-enable it right after |
| 21:35.02 | Lone_Wanderer | mmmm, hacks |
| 21:35.45 | Utah_Dave | I know |
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| 21:37.53 | timinator | Utah_Dave: Use an if/else statement |
| 21:38.47 | timinator | if($data['totals']['eventtotals'][$event->EventType]['Duration']) { $data['totals']['eventtotals'][$event->EventType]['Duration'] += $event->Duratoin; } else { $data['totals']['eventtotals'][$event->EventType]['Duration'] = $event->Duratoin; } |
| 21:39.05 | timinator | then it's not trying to add to something that doesn't exist |
| 21:39.50 | jsmith | Quick db question, since I'm feeling stumped |
| 21:40.10 | jsmith | Anybody know a clean way to say... get every third record from a table? |
| 21:40.47 | jsmith | Primary key is numeric, but not necessarily sequential |
| 21:41.13 | bigdog_ut | i wouldnt do it in the query...the result set probably |
| 21:41.15 | jsmith | The table is rather large, so I don't wanna pull it all into memory just to throw away the majority of the data |
| 21:41.35 | bigdog_ut | then use a function with a cursor |
| 21:41.38 | Utah_Dave | timinator: that would probably work |
| 21:41.42 | Utah_Dave | thanks guys |
| 21:41.53 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Would be nice -- if MySQL (yuck!) supported cursors. |
| 21:42.11 | bigdog_ut | another reason i favor pgsql |
| 21:42.25 | jsmith | Me too. |
| 21:42.28 | bigdog_ut | you could write a function in mysql and do the math there |
| 21:42.42 | jsmith | Gah... this is most likely MySQL 3.x |
| 21:43.06 | jsmith | Not only am I using one of my least-favorite dbs, I'm using a crippled/old version |
| 21:44.09 | bigdog_ut | does that version support the concept of oid? |
| 21:44.39 | jsmith | Maybe... |
| 21:44.46 | jsmith | No clue, really -- been using pgsql too long |
| 21:45.05 | bigdog_ut | you could query on that information |
| 21:48.31 | bigdog_ut | a view there would be nice too jsmith |
| 21:49.05 | xilch|w | mindjuju: hey - you wanna chat about your printing needs? |
| 21:50.30 | drip | bigdog_ut: you going to the lunch tomorrow? |
| 21:50.49 | bigdog_ut | not sure...i got the day off. |
| 21:50.50 | mindjuju | xilch|w - i sent you a PM |
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| 21:51.10 | drip | that's no excuse. |
| 21:51.49 | bigdog_ut | i was thinking of bringing my son with me |
| 21:52.01 | drip | that would be cool. |
| 21:52.02 | bigdog_ut | let you guys see the new evh |
| 21:52.08 | mindjuju | is son of bigdog_ut littledog_ut ? |
| 21:52.20 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 21:52.25 | drip | skinnypuppy_ut |
| 21:52.31 | timinator | you should come bigdog_ut |
| 21:53.01 | bigdog_ut | i might depends though |
| 21:54.29 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, you sure mysql 3 does not support functions |
| 21:54.49 | Lone_Wanderer | MySQL 3 barely supports queries. |
| 21:54.57 | timinator | lol |
| 21:55.03 | mindjuju | lol |
| 21:57.33 | drip | jsmith: you really shouldn't be drinking at work. |
| 21:57.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Speaking of which... |
| 21:57.51 | drip | lol |
| 21:57.58 | timinator | lol |
| 21:59.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Why drink only one sinful beverage at a time if you could be drinking two? |
| 22:04.25 | drip | he he |
| 22:07.27 | dataw0lf | Ha! |
| 22:07.31 | dataw0lf | Not guilty. |
| 22:07.34 | dataw0lf | Thank you, thank you. |
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| 22:16.31 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart Wesley Jordan |
| 22:16.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Thank you. |
| 22:17.20 | timinator | ^5 dataw0lf |
| 22:19.38 | Lone_Wanderer | tap tap. is this thing on? |
| 22:22.44 | dataw0lf | ^5 timinator |
| 22:22.44 | timinator | ***Feedback |
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| 22:22.57 | dataw0lf | dude, ^5 has taken the IRC world by storm, apparently. |
| 22:23.18 | Lone_Wanderer | what is ^5? |
| 22:23.25 | dataw0lf | high five |
| 22:23.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 22:23.43 | dataw0lf | you know what ^H is? |
| 22:23.52 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, it's a backspace |
| 22:23.59 | Lone_Wanderer | when your telnet settings are wrong |
| 22:24.09 | dataw0lf | it's also something else. my invention, y'know. |
| 22:24.14 | Lone_Wanderer | what is it? |
| 22:24.25 | dataw0lf | well now I can't tell you |
| 22:24.31 | Lone_Wanderer | e.e okay |
| 22:24.46 | dataw0lf | ^H |
| 22:26.09 | dataw0lf | do they sell passitivity there? I need some. |
| 22:26.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know what passitivity is. |
| 22:26.36 | dataw0lf | passivity, I mean. |
| 22:26.43 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 22:26.50 | Lone_Wanderer | is that a drink or are you making some obscure joke? |
| 22:27.10 | dataw0lf | you're talking to dw |
| 22:27.12 | dataw0lf | take a guess |
| 22:27.24 | macnewbold | must be a drink |
| 22:27.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll go with "obscure joke". |
| 22:27.38 | dataw0lf | hm, those weren't good options... |
| 22:27.39 | macnewbold | I thought jokes had to be funny? |
| 22:27.50 | Lone_Wanderer | It could have been funny to him. |
| 22:27.52 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: now that's just cruel. |
| 22:27.55 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:28.03 | macnewbold | ~apologize dataw0lf |
| 22:28.14 | macnewbold | ~beg dataw0lf |
| 22:28.17 | macnewbold | ~grovel dataw0lf |
| 22:28.19 | macnewbold | ~gravel dataw0lf |
| 22:28.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh stop groveling. |
| 22:28.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I hate it when people grovel. |
| 22:28.26 | dataw0lf | no, please grovel. |
| 22:28.31 | macnewbold | ~bonk dataw0lf |
| 22:28.32 | jbot | ACTION bonks dataw0lf over the head |
| 22:28.35 | macnewbold | ~thank Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:28.35 | jbot | de rien, macnewbold |
| 22:28.35 | dataw0lf | aieeee... |
| 22:28.55 | Lone_Wanderer | It's always "Oh Lord this" and... I forget the rest of the quote.... |
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| 22:46.21 | dataw0lf | I need to write an app that, all it does, is at random intervals plays a crowd cheering and chanting 'Josh' |
| 22:48.33 | beandog | buy |
| 22:48.34 | beandog | er |
| 22:48.35 | beandog | buh |
| 22:48.41 | beandog | networking confuses the crap out of me |
| 22:49.05 | dataw0lf | how so? |
| 22:49.28 | beandog | what's a socket? |
| 22:49.45 | beandog | "By default, netstat displays a list of open sockets. If you don't specify any address families, then the active sockets of all configured address families will be printed." |
| 22:50.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I believe that a socket is a combination of a port and a service. Or something. |
| 22:50.28 | dataw0lf | a socket is the proxy between an application and the network stack |
| 22:50.28 | Lone_Wanderer | It definitely involves ports though. |
| 22:50.40 | mindjuju | yeah |
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| 22:51.00 | mindjuju | and what that text is a saying is that it will tell you what ports are currently open waiting |
| 22:51.02 | beandog | ok? |
| 22:51.14 | mindjuju | so if you did a netstat on a web server, port 80 would be open |
| 22:51.26 | mindjuju | likely 443, 20, 21, etc |
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| 22:51.43 | dataw0lf | not necessarily just ports. |
| 22:51.45 | Lone_Wanderer | mmm, this rock star is quite good |
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| 22:51.59 | mindjuju | what else does a socket consist of? |
| 22:52.41 | dataw0lf | a socket doesn't necessarily have to be mapped to a port, although it usually is |
| 22:53.16 | mindjuju | how else would a socket recieve requests if not through a port? |
| 22:53.19 | dataw0lf | all a socket does is open up communication between a user process and the network stack in the kernel |
| 22:53.29 | Lone_Wanderer | is $100 for a 2.8ghz processor, motherboard, and a gig of ram a good deal? |
| 22:53.33 | Lone_Wanderer | including the case and power supply |
| 22:53.40 | dataw0lf | now, often, a socket's going to be mapped to a port because, you know, it needs to communicate. |
| 22:54.22 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhh, perfect time to come back. I love this song. |
| 22:54.32 | dataw0lf | but there are rare cases where a socket won't be mapped to a port. |
| 22:54.40 | dataw0lf | I'm just stressing the difference between a socket and a port here |
| 22:54.49 | mindjuju | oh |
| 22:55.15 | dataw0lf | a port is a numerical representation to communicate from the network stack / interface |
| 22:55.27 | dataw0lf | a socket is a user space process talking to the network stack |
| 22:56.57 | mindjuju | if only subnet masks could be that simple!!! |
| 22:57.13 | dataw0lf | aww, subnet masks are easy |
| 22:57.17 | dataw0lf | do you understand bit masking? |
| 22:57.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't |
| 22:57.33 | dataw0lf | in binary, you have 0 or 1 |
| 22:57.41 | dataw0lf | bit masking is flipping that switch |
| 22:57.41 | mindjuju | i know it has something to do with converting your IP to binary |
| 22:57.46 | mindjuju | for some crazy reason |
| 22:57.49 | beandog | man Im still lost |
| 22:57.50 | dataw0lf | just think of binary right now |
| 22:57.52 | beandog | thanks anyway dataw0lf |
| 22:57.55 | beandog | Im gonna read up so mo. |
| 22:57.56 | dataw0lf | sorry beandog |
| 22:58.10 | dataw0lf | 1011 <- what's that in binary, mindjuju? |
| 22:58.51 | mindjuju | 1111110011 |
| 22:59.07 | dataw0lf | 8+0+2+1 |
| 22:59.27 | Lone_Wanderer | so 11 |
| 22:59.45 | dataw0lf | ok, in binary, it's just like decimal |
| 22:59.52 | Lone_Wanderer | is a subnet mask the part after the / in an IP? |
| 23:00.02 | dataw0lf | each place represents a ^ of the base number |
| 23:00.11 | dataw0lf | 2 |
| 23:00.23 | dataw0lf | in decimal, each place represents a ^ of the base number |
| 23:00.23 | dataw0lf | 10 |
| 23:00.29 | dataw0lf | so, in decimal, 35 is |
| 23:00.31 | dataw0lf | 5 ones |
| 23:00.35 | dataw0lf | and 3 10s |
| 23:00.43 | Lone_Wanderer | hey DW have you ever heard of using color instead of place to indicate power? |
| 23:00.44 | dataw0lf | in binary, instead of going like 10 1 |
| 23:00.47 | dataw0lf | it goes 2 1 |
| 23:00.56 | dataw0lf | 16 8 4 2 1 |
| 23:01.07 | dataw0lf | so, if a 1 is in that place, it takes that value |
| 23:01.17 | dataw0lf | so binary 11111 |
| 23:01.25 | dataw0lf | would be 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 |
| 23:01.32 | dataw0lf | 11011 would be |
| 23:01.40 | dataw0lf | 16+8+0+2+1 |
| 23:01.45 | dataw0lf | because that 4 isn't masked. |
| 23:01.52 | dataw0lf | it, doesn't have a value |
| 23:02.14 | Lone_Wanderer | isn't masked? |
| 23:02.33 | dataw0lf | it isn't on, sorry |
| 23:03.02 | dataw0lf | masking means to give a value to a binary number and flip on or off values |
| 23:03.08 | dataw0lf | so in an ip address, which is 32 bit |
| 23:03.26 | dataw0lf | 172.0.4.3 is just a representation of an actual binary value |
| 23:03.50 | dataw0lf | where each segment is worth 8 bits |
| 23:04.19 | dataw0lf | so that 3 in the ip address above is represented like so : 00000011 |
| 23:04.39 | dataw0lf | netmasks apply as 'what bits in an ip address are the network bits' ? |
| 23:05.06 | dataw0lf | if you have a netmask of 24, that means the first 24 bits are a network number, and you have the last 8 bits to use for hosts |
| 23:05.15 | herlo | bigdog_ut: a better way to think about it is that they work like network addressing in reverse |
| 23:05.40 | herlo | 192.168.1.0/24 = all addresses in the 192.168.1 range |
| 23:05.49 | Lone_Wanderer | So 172.0.4.3/24 = 24 bits of network address, then 8 bits of host addressing? |
| 23:06.01 | herlo | 192.168.1.34/32 = 192.168.1.34 |
| 23:06.06 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Correct |
| 23:06.20 | dataw0lf | so, if you have a netmask of 29, how many hosts can you have? |
| 23:06.21 | herlo | 192.168.1.0/16 = 192.168 range |
| 23:06.38 | Lone_Wanderer | There's what, 32 bits in an IP? |
| 23:06.42 | dataw0lf | yup |
| 23:06.46 | Lone_Wanderer | so 3! hosts |
| 23:07.23 | Lone_Wanderer | err no, 2^3 |
| 23:07.23 | dataw0lf | 7 hosts. |
| 23:07.23 | herlo | cause you can't count .255 |
| 23:07.23 | Lone_Wanderer | so 2^3+1? |
| 23:07.23 | Lone_Wanderer | -1 |
| 23:07.23 | herlo | that's broadcast |
| 23:08.44 | dataw0lf | see, these are some of the problems I'm hoping to address in packetbot, rudimentary network knowledge that seems fairly hard, but if you have a graphical representation, can easily learn |
| 23:09.56 | beandog | thats what I need. |
| 23:10.02 | beandog | graphical representation++ |
| 23:10.49 | mindjuju | brb |
| 23:11.27 | dataw0lf | I should be a teacher. |
| 23:11.35 | Lone_Wanderer | bleargh |
| 23:11.48 | Lone_Wanderer | You could teach computer stuff at my high school. |
| 23:11.57 | Lone_Wanderer | St. Thomas Military Academy |
| 23:12.02 | dataw0lf | No thanks! |
| 23:12.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know if you're shell shocked enough though. |
| 23:12.22 | Lone_Wanderer | They prefer Vietnam vets who still jump when you yell "Incoming!" |
| 23:12.37 | dataw0lf | that's pretty impolite. |
| 23:12.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Nobody ever actuall DID that. |
| 23:12.59 | dataw0lf | I hope not. |
| 23:12.59 | Lone_Wanderer | actually* |
| 23:14.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh my goodness. There it is. |
| 23:15.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Right in front of me. The answer to all... well, okay, one of my problems. |
| 23:53.07 | dataw0lf | Do you know why Baskin Robbins only has 31 flavors? |
| 23:53.15 | dataw0lf | Because Chuck Norris doesn't like Fudge Ripple. |
| 23:53.18 | dataw0lf | just sayin' |
| 23:53.51 | timinator | that is one thing I love about Utah: Spimoni Ice Cream |
| 23:54.01 | timinator | (not sure of the spelling) |
| 23:54.45 | dataw0lf | Chuck Norris uses a night light. Not because Chuck Norris is afraid of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris. |
