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00:11.28dataw0lfI think the Panda Express broke my stomach
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00:20.28beandogmacnewbold: ping
00:20.33macnewboldbeandog: pong
00:20.39beandogthat was too easy :)
00:20.42macnewboldhehe
00:20.45macnewboldyeah, sorry
00:20.48macnewboldI'll wait longer next time
00:42.57timinatorI'm out guys
00:43.00timinatorlater
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01:29.10Utah_DaveI'm glad someone showed me the nickserv commands
02:06.30mindjuju~rlart
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02:27.43Utah_Davemindjuju: how many hours have you been at the office today?
02:27.58herloUtah_Dave: you didn't know the nickserv commands before?
02:28.11herloand who showed you?
02:28.26mindjujui got here at 9:30
02:28.30herlomindjuju: somafm.com
02:28.47mindjujui was just going to say, my tunes are about all squeezed out, i need something fresh
02:29.16Utah_DaveI didn't.  I can't remember who showed me how to get the help info.  Mac maybe? I don't remember
02:29.36herlowhen was it?
02:30.12mindjujuwhich one is good? groove salad?
02:30.26Utah_DaveIt's just nice when I lose my network connection and I get logged in as Utah_Dav1 or something
02:30.26Utah_Davesometime in the last 2 weeks
02:33.13mindjujuthat doomed channel sounds pretty ruff
02:33.28herlomindjuju: yeah groove salad, though I love space station too
02:33.53herloUtah_Dave: /msg Nickserv ghost Utah_Dave password
02:34.59mindjuju<PROTECTED>
02:35.02mindjujui'd go to sleep
02:35.07Utah_Daveherlo: yep, that's what I figured out
02:35.10herlomindjuju: I like it
02:35.26herloUtah_Dave: I have a website that covers all of that if you'd like it for reference...
02:35.52Utah_Daveyeah, that would be great
02:39.56herloThe New IRC Channel Operator's Guide - http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/changuide.html
02:42.12Utah_Davecool.
02:44.05herlonp
03:00.37mindjujuk, i think this is an emergency... if i don't get this started, i'm going to fall asleep!  
03:09.32herlomindjuju: you need some caffeine quick!
03:10.00herlo~caffeinate mindjuju
03:10.09mindjujui've got my radio maxed with a Thunderstruck just fading into T n T
03:10.32herlonice
03:10.51mindjujuyou can't put AC / DC back to back like that without having an adreline rush
03:22.40mindjujuman, i don't know who makes up the rules, but the devil's band played better fiddle in my opinion
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13:28.28timinatormorning ladies
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14:23.17dripso who is planning on attending the Geek Lunch this week?
14:24.28dripcool.
14:24.52timinatorcool
14:25.12timinatorare you the one that lives near bigdog_ut and works in SLC?
14:25.22dripwatch for the guy in the pimp outfit.
14:25.26dripyes.
14:25.40timinatorlike Adam Curry
14:25.45timinator:)
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16:33.37Lone_Wandererdang, they're only allowed to implant the BrainGate in quadriplegics
16:36.03_psychic_let us know if you need your legs broken, I gues
16:36.05_psychic_*guess
16:36.14Lone_WandererIt'd be my neck, actually
16:36.32Lone_WandererI'd rather not be paralyzed from the neck down.
16:38.09Lone_WandererThe emails back and forth should make for an amusing LJ entry though.
16:40.35dataw0lfmorning people.
16:40.50Lone_Wanderermorning dw
16:41.28timinatormornin'
16:43.05dataw0lfaw man 43 things is reminding me to write a php extension or finish the one I totally scrapped after 600 lines of code.
16:43.40dataw0lfI'll just extend the time for 'er a little bit.
16:47.15Lone_WandererI wonder if I could fake being quadriplegic.
16:47.57Lone_WandererI bet it's not as easy as it sounds.
16:50.23_psychic_Lone_Wanderer: its also probably an activity that is less than politically correct.
16:52.02Lone_WandererLone_Wanderer>dang, they're only allowed to implant the BrainGate in quadriplegics
16:52.46macnewbold~BrainGate
16:53.06Lone_Wandererhttp://www.cyberkineticsinc.com/content/medicalproducts/braingate.jsp
16:53.40timinatorAAAAAHHHH..... IT LINKS TO IE
16:53.51Lone_WandererThey stick this chip in your head that picks up motor activity
16:54.12Lone_Wandererwell, they put it in the motor center of your brain anyway
16:54.14mindjujumorning all
16:54.23Lone_Wandererand then you can control stuff just by thinking
16:54.28timinatormorning mindjuju
16:55.55Utah_Davetiminator: I could not fathom connecting my brain to something and then hooking that up to IE.
16:56.20Lone_Wandererthe thought makes my stomach turn
16:58.31timinatorsame
16:59.26timinatorit'd be crazy if IE messes up and pushes it's default stylesheet into your brain chip and then everything you see is in Times New Roman
16:59.45timinator:)
17:03.34Lone_Wandererrofl
17:03.42Lone_Wanderernah I just didn't read it until now
17:03.49timinator:)
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17:06.17mindjujui know this is mean, but could you imagine some hax0r writing an active X script to detect the brain gate chip and then make the brain gate send a signal to the person's hand that causes the hand to slap the person in the head repeatedly
17:06.34Lone_WandererDoesn't really work that way.
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17:06.41mindjujui know, but sure is funny
17:06.45Lone_WandererIt only detects signals, there's no feedback.
17:06.50timinatorlol
17:06.54mindjujuyeah, i know
17:07.10mindjujusup swb
17:07.18timinatorhello swb
17:07.39Lone_WandererI think I need to sleep more.
17:07.39macnewbold~webmistress
17:08.03mindjujuyeah, i'm in a severe lack of sleep mode
17:08.04swbhi guys
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17:08.09mindjujuthis is worse than college times
17:08.16Lone_Wandereris swb the webmistress?
17:08.17mindjujusup fungus
17:08.40timinatorwe should add a ~webmistress
17:08.42fungusok I guess.
17:08.49swbLone_Wanderer: yep, I suppose that would be me
17:09.19mindjujui still think we need to form a raiding party and go over to #phpwomen
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17:09.35timinatorwhen a lady enters the room, everyone says hi or hello; when I enter, people curse or fart
17:09.45macnewbold~swb
17:09.53macnewbold~curse timinator
17:09.55jbotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, timinator !
17:10.02timinatoraw man
17:10.03mindjujuwin xp ain't that bad
17:10.13macnewboldit could be worse
17:10.24timinatorya, could be millennium edition
17:10.38swb#phpwomen is pretty empty AFAIK
17:10.42mindjujuugh, windows ME, now there is a crime against nature
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17:11.17timinatorya, and an ME Admin..... I'd either use drugs or a shotgun
17:11.19mindjuju#phpwomen seems to be active late at night.  like the queen bee over there is currently kicking it in Guam
17:11.49Lone_WandererWait, there really is such a channel?
17:11.54mindjujuyup
17:12.00mindjujujust type /join #phpwomen
17:12.02macnewboldLone_Wanderer is looking to pick up someone...
17:12.04timinatormindjuju is a charter member
17:12.09macnewboldeither that, or is considering a change...
17:12.10mindjujuhar har har
17:12.24mindjuju~wiseguy timinator
17:12.26jbotACTION runs up to timinator and pokes timinator in the eyes!
17:12.35timinator:)
17:12.39Lone_WandererNah, I just figured it was a joke.
17:12.59mindjujuyeah, that's why i changed the uphpu topic to the Manly Men of PHP
17:13.10mindjujuor something like that
17:13.17timinatorcover up
17:13.43mindjujui was thinking of getting a picture of charles atlas in front of a computer or something
17:13.52Lone_Wandererwho's that?
17:14.19dataw0lfk
17:14.39Utah_Daveso the Geek Lunch is in Bountiful on Friday?
17:14.41mindjujuthe http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=charles+atlas
17:14.47dataw0lfI just came up with a rough layout of my site.  Haven't done any color matching or image adding
17:14.50dataw0lfstderr.ws
17:14.57mindjujuyes, utah_dave, lunch this friday
17:15.03dataw0lfneed input
17:15.24Utah_Davedataw0lf: your friend list is kind of short    
17:15.26Utah_Dave:)
17:15.28Utah_Davej/k
17:15.30dataw0lfit's like a car with a primer coat, so I don't need comments on the colors
17:15.31Utah_DaveI like it
17:15.46mindjujuwhat's the URL
17:15.52dataw0lfhttp://stderr.ws
17:16.01Utah_Davedang it
17:16.04dataw0lfUtah_Dave: ;)
17:16.28herloattend it, that is
17:16.29jsmithherlo: What, stay up too late last night?
17:16.43herlojsmith: why do you ask, am I in a bad mood?
17:16.46Utah_DaveEvery time I get ready to go, some system at work goes down
17:16.52Lone_Wandererdataw0lf: http://www.lipsum.com/
17:16.52herlodoes it seem that way?
17:17.05dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: I know about lipsum
17:17.07Utah_Daveherlo was up late coding
17:17.15herlothanx Utah_Dave
17:17.46Lone_WandererCan't tell from your site there :p
17:17.46herloHas anyone seen this book? http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
17:17.47herloI was surprised to find it was freely available online
17:18.17dataw0lfblech Ruby.
17:18.20herlonow I know why, it's the first edition
17:18.27herlodataw0lf: why don't you like ruby?
17:18.59dataw0lfherlo: it's like Perl with OOP done right.  
17:19.05dataw0lfbetter, yet still Perl.
17:19.10herlodataw0lf: nice
17:20.05herloI take it you are in the, I don't like Perl arena
17:20.08dataw0lfI can't use it because I'm always reminded that I could be programming in Python, and I haven't found an excuse to use Ruby over the Py.
17:20.23dataw0lfit's not that I don't like Perl
17:20.36dataw0lfit's just not suited for any large project
17:20.53dataw0lfIt can be used successfully in a large project, don't get me wrong
17:21.01herlodataw0lf: you should go over in #utah and tell that to Jayce
17:21.13herloand waits for the battle to ensue
17:21.14dataw0lfherlo: I have, many times.
17:21.17synicI've used Ruby...and it's nice.  Python is just better.
17:21.27Lone_WandererDid anyone hear about a fire in SLC last night?
17:21.29herloI've used Python, I like it
17:21.34synicand not just for the trivial reasons like python having more packages.
17:21.36herloLone_Wanderer: no, where?
17:22.54dataw0lfherlo: me and Jayce have an unspoken truce agreement.
17:22.54Lone_Wandererdunno, I'm asking him
17:22.54herlosynic: I am not against Python or Perl, I like them both.  I am a 'try everything' kinda guy
17:22.54Lone_Wandereroh, I guess it was just a parking lot fire in this guy's building
17:22.54Lone_Wanderersomeone's car or something
17:22.54dataw0lfherlo: I just don't see any reason for anyone to learn Ruby over Python
17:22.54herlodataw0lf: great, I'd like to hear about when the truce fails again
17:22.54timinatorwhat's good about Python?
17:22.55synicherlo: ruby is definitely worth taking a look at.  
17:22.56herlodataw0lf: I already know Python some, though I am a bit rusty
17:22.56herlosynic: thanx
17:22.56dataw0lfwhat isn't good about Python?
17:22.56dataw0lflet me think
17:23.00herlodataw0lf: everything is good about Pythong
17:23.05dataw0lfthe way they're slowly taking out functional, Lisp-like language features, one step at a time
17:23.06herlos/ong/on/g
17:23.12timinatorokay, what's Python got over PHP?
17:23.12dataw0lfumm
17:23.27synicwhoa.
17:23.33dataw0lftiminator: Uhm.  
17:23.33beandogWhats a screwdriver got over a hammer?  Geez.
17:24.00dataw0lfno, what's a multifunctional tool got over a specialized screwdriver head.
17:24.01synicbeandog: I completely disagree with that analogy.
17:24.12beandogsynic: yah, Im just cranky from moving.
17:24.28dataw0lfPHP has one focus.  Web.  It has some problems in that arena, notably scaling because of namespace issues, but I digress
17:24.33Utah_DaveI agree with dataw0lf's last comment
17:24.45dataw0lfPython is suitable for nearly every type of development
17:24.45Utah_DaveI like Python for pretty much everything else but web dev
17:24.57dataw0lfThe comparison is stupid to make.
17:25.00dataw0lfI like both languages
17:25.00Lone_WandererPython is removing functional features?
17:25.03dataw0lfand have issues with both languages
17:25.15Utah_Davebut once I tried writing some web stuff in python I realized how nice it is to code in php for the web
17:25.22dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: Yes, they're going to get rid of map(), etc functions
17:25.25synicLone_Wanderer: some of them
17:25.26dataw0lfprobably
17:25.30Lone_Wandererblech
17:25.32Lone_Wandereroh well
17:25.35dataw0lfsomeone even said list comprehensions might be screwed
17:25.41synicdataw0lf: NO!!!
17:25.42com4Utah_Dave: you could use mod_python to get the same effect as php
17:25.46dataw0lfsynic: that's what I said.
17:25.48beandogpeople who pigeonhole php as a web language have obviously never really tried to use it for anything else.
17:26.06dataw0lfbeandog: What?
17:26.14beandogthat's its strength, admittedly, but not its sole one.
17:26.18beandoganyway
17:26.19beandogn/m
17:26.20dataw0lfPHP has pigeonholed itself as a web language, not me
17:26.23Lone_WandererMy sinuses hurt.  Tell me, why is the air dry?  I want some coffee.
17:26.26herlowow, I started a battle
17:26.44dataw0lfDon't say I'm pigeonholing anything.  PHP has never been shy that it has a sole focus.
17:26.51dataw0lfI'm going to smoke a cig
17:26.53herlobeandog: I am sorry to hear that, I am gonna be moving in the early summer probably
17:27.06com4Utah_Dave: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/python/2004/02/26/python_server_pages.html
17:27.23beandogI should clarify, of course.
17:27.34beandogThe thing I dont like is when people think PHP is good for *only* web applications.
17:27.37beandogThere, that's better.
17:27.56mindjujui think classic ASP rox the planet
17:28.05beandoglols
17:28.07com4mindjuju: ^5
17:28.14jsmithbeandog: That's right... it makes a great scripting language for voice apps too ;-)
17:28.21com4but you must understand that coldfusion > *
17:29.00syniccopy con webpage.bat
17:29.05synicecho 'woot'
17:29.08synic^Z
17:29.56beandogI actually like PHP as a CLI scripting language
17:30.12Lone_WandererHow many other CLI scripting languages do you know?
17:30.18beandogbash
17:30.25mindjujui like MS DOS!
17:30.34dataw0lfPHP as a CLI scripting language when used to communicate with PHP scripts or a database for a WEB APP is fine.
17:31.07synicI probably won't learn it anytime soon, either.
17:31.25dataw0lfbut until PHP includes full exception support, and namespace support of some kind (preferably with a complete reconstruction of the functions library) it won't be really applicable to anything else
17:31.25timinator:)
17:31.54dataw0lfusing PHP is like using C with alot of libraries, without having to deal with memory management and static, strong typing
17:32.01dataw0lfand there's nothing wrong with that
17:32.05dataw0lfI like PHP.
17:32.16dataw0lfbut it's a web language, pure and simple.
17:32.17Utah_Davecom4: I've used a whole bunch of different python web thingamabobs.  They all pretty much suck compared to php.  Although they are getting better. I check back in every few months
17:32.46beandogdataw0lf: Thats a pretty limited perspective.
17:32.52beandogBut, whatever.
17:32.54com4Utah_Dave: well those web thingamabobs are probably closer to rails than php... the psp's are the way to roll if you're looking for a php style
17:32.54dataw0lfI don't think it's very limited.
17:32.59dataw0lfI'm going to use the right tool for the job.
17:33.04beandogSo am I
17:33.08dataw0lfand PHP isn't the right tool for the job in any case except some web cases.
17:33.16beandogAgreed
17:33.25dataw0lfSo I don't see myself being limited in any way.
17:33.32beandogIm probably reading you wrong, just forget it.
17:33.35herlothe battle rages on...
17:33.37dataw0lfIn fact, by not limiting myself to PHP, I um, well, I'm not really limited at all
17:34.17dataw0lfOh.  I dunno.  Never read it.
17:34.36mindjuju/me's efforts to start a battle have failed so he pulls his hat over his eyes and goes for a snooze
17:34.38synicbeandog: I'm not asking this question to be rude or anything, so please don't take it that way.  Have you learned python/perl/ruby etc to the point you've learned php?
17:34.50synicI mean, have you written more than 1000 lines in any of them?
17:35.15herlonot just dataw0lf
17:35.16beandogsynic: no, I havent.  I'm actually focusing on learning bash, actually.  I have *nothing* against them though, I just would rather learn different languages.
17:35.30herlobeandog: bash is cool.
17:35.36dataw0lfherlo: synic knows Ruby fairly well.
17:35.40synicbeandog: I honestly think you will change your mind once you do.
17:36.12beandogsynic: youre probably right, but to get to the level that I know PHP now, just to replace it... I dont see myself investing the time, really.  Id rather be learning something else.
17:36.33beandogsynic: well, no, Im sure youre right.
17:36.33dataw0lfbeandog: Replace it?  You don't have to replace it.
17:36.34herlodataw0lf: I value your opinion when you know something...and I appreciate it
17:36.51dataw0lfherlo: danke
17:37.00beandogdataw0lf: I know, but its not easy (imo) to be strong in too many languages at once.
17:37.19beandogI used to be really good at classic ASP, now I have to look everything up again.
17:37.25beandogthank goodness Im forgetting that.
17:37.29dataw0lfbeandog: Oh, I dunno about that.  Certainly, if all languages were like PHP, or, ehhh Perl, it might be that way.
17:37.41dataw0lfbeandog: But Python, for example, stresses knowledge of advanced, general programming concepts.
17:37.50beandogdataw0lf: now thats true.  If its just a matter of different syntax, then its not hard remembering the differences.
17:38.00beandogand functions
17:38.00dataw0lfRather than programming syntax specifics or other estoretic matters
17:38.15herlodataw0lf: esoteric?
17:38.25dataw0lfherlo: that's what I was looking for, thanks.
17:38.28herlonp
17:38.46dataw0lfbeandog: Python's syntax is unobtrusive
17:38.57herlobeandog: I don't think anyone can be an expert in more than a couple languages...
17:39.00beandogdataw0lf: you dont have to sell me on it. :)
17:39.03dataw0lfbeandog: And natural.  I suggest you check it out.  I truly doubt if it will hurt your PHP knowledge
17:39.09beandogherlo: I agree
17:39.20dataw0lfbeandog: Hey, I've converted a lot of people who've thanked me afterwards...
17:39.23beandogeh, Ive checked it out, first impressions, I dont like it, not enough good docs.
17:39.36beandogBesides, Im learning C++.  That is a kick in the head.  I absolutely love it.
17:39.51dataw0lfword.
17:40.06herloseeing as it's a first edition, and the 2nd edition is already out
17:40.22synicherlo: oh, sorry. I haven't read the latest edition.
17:40.37synicoh, the first is fine... but mostly I just used the reference
17:40.48fungusIMHO, PHP is best suited for the web, and Python is best suited for apps.
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17:41.16synicherlo: it does cover the things Ruby has that you might not see in other languages, so yeah, I thought it was a good read.
17:41.20fungusand Perl for quickie scripts
17:41.25synic... or the things ruby does differently
17:41.45fungusI haven't dug into ruby that much yet to really understand it's strengths.
17:41.57beandogThe thing I love most about PHP is the documentation.  If all programming languages had docs that simple and easy to use, Id be hooked.
17:42.11beandogin theory. ;)
17:42.17dataw0lfagreed.
17:42.23dataw0lfPHP's documentation is nice.
17:42.39fungusPython's docs aren't as good, but they are pretty good.
17:42.42synicpython's docs are great once you get used to them.  I rather like pydoc -p 8080
17:42.47herlodataw0lf: I just found this cool reference on using tc: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.cookbook.ultimate-tc.html
17:43.08dataw0lfeh, I dislike Python's docs, relies too much on lazy hackers
17:43.37dataw0lfbut the documentation team is coming up with some ingenious ideas to improve it
17:43.37beandogherlo: so what was the linkie?  I missed that.
17:43.54herlobeandog: for what, the ruby book or the tc howto?
17:43.55dataw0lfI'm a super lazy hacker
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17:44.10beandogherlo: uh, I dunno, the one you wanted comments on
17:44.28dataw0lfherlo: yea, the lartc cookbook rocks
17:44.35herlooh beandog: http://www.rubycentral.com/book/intro.html
17:44.57beandognot enough pictures. ;)
17:44.58herlodataw0lf: thanx, I am really excited to learn about it, and it looks like this can give me some real world examples...
17:45.15herlobeandog: is that all you have to say for yourself?
17:46.01beandogherlo: looks good
17:46.06beandogafter reading a couple of paragraphs
17:46.06synicherlo: I like this chapter - mostly the part about blocks and iterators: http://www.rubycentral.com/book/tut_containers.html
17:46.37synic"Implementing iterators"
17:46.41synichawt.
17:46.42dataw0lf/win 4
17:46.47dataw0lfack
17:48.30herloahh, then 1:30 am might be better
17:48.36timinatorLOL
17:48.51herloseveral more hours of sleep unless your mindjuju
17:49.06herlothen you might still be at work
17:49.12herlo:)
17:49.14timinatorLOL
17:49.44herlosynic: beandog thanx for the opinion
17:49.58beandogherlo: yah, sorry, too much to read right now.
17:50.06beandogherlo: I do like the style though.
17:50.52dataw0lfI go into work around 8:30/9
17:52.52herlodataw0lf: I got in at 7:30 CST
17:53.26dataw0lfew
17:53.34bigdog_uti got in at 10:30 HST
17:53.45timinatorlol
17:54.01herlobigdog_ut: nice
17:54.34bigdog_uti got in at 23:00 Greenwich mean time
17:54.53beandoghee hee
17:54.56timinatorhaha
17:55.06beandogwhat a bunch of nerds
17:55.17dataw0lfyea, no kidding
17:55.24beandogthat reminds me, Dungeons & Dragons came out yesterday
17:55.41dataw0lfbeandog: the MMORPG?
17:55.48beandogcartoon
17:55.54dataw0lfoh
17:55.58beandoghttp://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Dragons-Complete-Willie-Aames/dp/B000JBXY44/sr=1-1/qid=1165427746/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-9018889-9852042?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
17:55.59beandogwoots
17:56.22timinatorLOL bigdog_ut
17:56.27dataw0lfdo they have Hatchling Green Dragons?
17:56.31bigdog_uti loved the series
17:56.34dataw0lfWITH CHLORINE BREATH??
17:56.42bigdog_utit sucked they pulled it off the air
17:56.48beandogmm, I need some lotgd
17:57.05beandogherlo: no, it probably just won't get a date
17:57.41dataw0lfI'm going to have to protest the connection between not getting a date and talking about nerd stuff.
17:57.50dataw0lfgirls seem to love the geeky thing now
17:58.00beandognot the ones I know
17:58.16dataw0lfdude, you're totally missing out
17:58.20beandogall 2 of em
17:58.37dataw0lfthey like it so much that there are guys who walk around acting geeky but are really not
17:58.43dataw0lfso if you spot one you can totally call him out
17:58.56herlobeandog: I think nerdiness is like plutonium, eventually it'll grow too great and the world will explode
17:59.11beandogherlo: hee hee
17:59.15dataw0lfbigdog_ut: How many hit dice do you have?
17:59.18bigdog_utand has the video card to prove it
17:59.42herlodataw0lf: anybody you can hook me up with?
18:00.00Lone_WandererYeah, DW, I'm wondering where these girls are.
18:00.02herloor a japanese girlfriend
18:00.06dataw0lfI'm in Reno.  I'm coming down this month, though, I'll see what I can do.
18:00.09Lone_WandererI dont require a geek girl, she just has to be geek-friendly.
18:00.16dataw0lfthese girls are everywhere, you just have to look for em.
18:00.37beandogOh
18:00.37Lone_WandererLook for them WHERE?
18:00.38herlodataw0lf: and where do you look, so that we might find
18:00.39beandogWell, see, there you go.
18:00.55dataw0lfI usually go to the university library, and certain college bars
18:01.14beandogLOL
18:01.18Lone_WandererIt's cool, we're all nerds here.
18:01.30dataw0lfsometimes a coffee shop, but, beware, there are a large number of emos that frequent many coffee shops
18:01.39dataw0lfand an emo girl may appear at first glance to be a geek lover
18:01.48dataw0lfbut they just want to eat your soul, so keep away.
18:02.05Lone_Wanderermmm, soul devouring
18:02.11Lone_Wandererwhat, exactly, is emo?
18:02.13herlodataw0lf: nice
18:02.19beandogemotional
18:02.24Lone_Wandererdoes it just mean that you're sad and crap all the time?
18:02.31herloLone_Wanderer: emo is a derivative of punk girl
18:02.41dataw0lfI don't want to find one of you crying into a napkin, blogging on your PowerBook, and listening to Death Cab For Cutie
18:02.42herlohttp://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+emo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
18:02.53dataw0lfbecause that's what they'll do to ya
18:03.11synichey.  Death Cab is good.
18:03.32dataw0lfThey suck!  Pixies ROOL!
18:04.08dataw0lfnow, emo girls can be pretty darn cute, so just watch yourself, that's all I'm sayin'
18:04.48Lone_Wandereroh come on, I like Death Cab for Cutie
18:05.13herlodataw0lf: my problem is that they're all under 25, and I am well over that.  It's the age/2 + 7 rule that gets me everytime
18:05.26dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: go drink a cafe latte at the nearest coffee shop, loser!
18:05.31dataw0lf;)
18:05.34dataw0lfherlo: ahhh
18:05.37dataw0lfdude
18:05.39Lone_WandererI grew out of it long ago, though.
18:05.57dataw0lfyou should be getting them 25-28 year olds, they're all into the older guy thang.
18:06.14herloand we all live in Utah where all the good [looking] girls are usually gone by 23
18:06.23herloand the rest are clingy and/or ugly
18:06.29timinatoryep
18:06.32Lone_WandererHow old are you Herlo?
18:06.32dataw0lfthat's true, you gotta strike young in Utah
18:06.34herloand all seem to want to get married as soon as you meet em
18:06.37Lone_WandererI'm 28, so 25 is just right for me.
18:06.40bigdog_utclingy & ugly = sweet spirit
18:06.41herlodataw0lf: that's why I travel
18:06.49herlobigdog_ut: nice def
18:07.02Lone_WandererI think you mean clingy && ugly
18:07.07herlowe should start an urban dictionary of mormon words, except I don't want any part of it
18:07.10Lone_Wandererotherwise it's bitwise
18:07.11dataw0lfherlo: go down to South Beach
18:07.20herlodataw0lf: If I were near there
18:07.28herlobut I am in Des Moines...
18:07.38dataw0lfhey, midwest girls are awesome
18:07.42Lone_Wandereroh man
18:07.42dataw0lfgo find a barn party somewhere.
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18:07.50Lone_Wanderersome of the cutest girls I've met are from Minnesota
18:07.52timinatormidwest girls rock
18:07.53herlodataw0lf: If I knew where to look
18:08.01herloI've had a few in my day
18:08.13dataw0lfI'm from Chicago, we have many, many good lookin' professional women.
18:08.26timinatorUtah has the largest % of "Class 5 Clinger" girls
18:08.29dataw0lfand then, right outside, we got the midwest country girls
18:08.42dataw0lfsouthern belles?
18:08.49bigdog_utyep
18:08.53herlodataw0lf: yeah, I just need to get out more I guess...
18:09.03herlobigdog_ut: it's a spelling contest in here today
18:09.05dataw0lfherlo: go to a club downtown in Des Moines
18:09.15bigdog_utherlo, im losin
18:09.16herloI should
18:09.21dataw0lflike, a place where live music is played at
18:09.37bigdog_utor you can be an ethug like me
18:09.40dataw0lfjam bands is the age you want to aim for
18:09.41herlodataw0lf: except that I've got to be at work by 7am Utah time every day, and most people don't come out to clubs until well into the evening
18:09.41Lone_WandererI like to meet girls on MySpace!
18:09.58herlodo that too many times in a row and you're screwed
18:09.59dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: I've met numerous girls on MySpace.  It does, indeed, rock.
18:10.05Lone_Wanderer7 am Utah time is 8 am Des Moines time innit?
18:10.10dataw0lfherlo: ugh
18:10.13bigdog_uttiminator likes the ones you call for only .99
18:10.16Lone_WandererI've actually never met anyone on MySpace.
18:10.22dataw0lfI have.
18:10.24timinatorhey now
18:10.26Lone_WandererBut I keep getting friend requests from random girls in other countries.
18:10.33timinator~lart bigdog_ut
18:10.40dataw0lfthe womenz love me on MySpace
18:10.45herloLone_Wanderer: never accept those, they're trying to marry themselves american
18:10.46bigdog_utherlo you can get a russian girl
18:10.54herlobigdog_ut: nice, but I'll pass
18:10.56Lone_Wanderermaybe I'm trying to marry me a German
18:11.05Lone_WandererHAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT HERLO???
18:11.14dataw0lfGerman girls smell.
18:11.21dataw0lfwell, Germans in general smell.
18:11.26herloLone_Wanderer: I don't spend too much time thinking about your love life
18:11.32dataw0lfgo for the Spanish women or Dutch women, buddy.
18:11.38herlodataw0lf: depends on the girls, but yeah
18:12.26dataw0lfI'm just saying, in general, that's where you wanna go if you're interested in finding swell girls.
18:12.58herlodataw0lf: we should go out on the town one night, pick up some honeys and go have a good time
18:13.09dataw0lfI'm down.
18:13.19dataw0lfexcept my girlfriend would probably have to come with :\
18:13.27Lone_WandererI met a girl in Germany
18:13.33herlodataw0lf: does she know any single girls?
18:13.34Lone_Wandererseveral, actually.  none of them smelled bad.
18:13.38herlodataw0lf: that'd make it easier
18:14.14Lone_WandererMost of them were cute, and one of them asked me to stay with her.
18:16.38dataw0lfwent to get a cig
18:16.46dataw0lfherlo: y'know what, I hadn't thought of that.
18:16.57dataw0lfmy gf has a bunch of hot friends who go to med school with her.
18:17.14dataw0lfand they're pretty smart
18:17.38dataw0lf(but not as smart as you'd think - in particular, men in medical school seem to be lacking in a number of intellectual departments)
18:19.05dataw0lfmy problem is finding women who're intellectually stimulating, and have a sense of humor.  They all seem to be taken, so when I find one (my girlfriend), I hang on for dear life.
18:19.28timinatorsame
18:19.31dataw0lf43 things is cool
18:19.52timinatorI married the one I found
18:19.54timinator:)
18:20.02dataw0lfyea, but I'm scared of marriage.
18:20.16timinatorwhy's that dude
18:20.21swbaren't u too young to get married anyway?
18:20.38timinatorhow old are you DW?
18:20.41dataw0lfI'm 24.
18:20.53dataw0lfand it's too young, true.
18:21.00swbyep, I say 27 is the best age to get married
18:21.02timinatorthat is pretty young
18:21.18dataw0lfbut it always seems to be an issue.
18:21.29swbmarriage?
18:21.35dataw0lfwith every girl I date, within 4 or 5 months.
18:21.36timinatorbut a ton changes in your life from 18-25
18:22.01timinatorwaiting till 27 gives you a buffer
18:22.14dataw0lfI'm too obsessed to get married at this point, I wouldn't contribute enough, and I just plain say that.  But they always think I'm lying.
18:22.19bigdog_ut25+ for marriage is good...insurances goes down
18:22.33timinator:) ....that too
18:23.20bigdog_uti got married at 22 but wife was 27 so that helps
18:23.48dataw0lfI get enough complaints about me not listening, I don't even want to imagine what a marriage would be like.
18:24.15dataw0lfand it's not like I ignore, it's just that my mind is thinking about a lot of things and I blank environmental distractions out.
18:24.38dataw0lfof course, one could say that it's subconscious, and she usually does
18:24.59dataw0lfbut I don't feel responsible for my subconscious self, so ha!
18:25.00dataw0lf;-)
18:26.51dataw0lfdude, that mheath kid drives me up a while.
18:26.54dataw0lfs/while/wall
18:28.00synicrofl.
18:28.04dataw0lfshould I just define a bunch of bit constants in PHP to associate with MySQL SET values?
18:28.04synicno comment.
18:28.20bigdog_utno comment
18:28.24dataw0lfsynic: did you know he was talking all this smack to me like 8 months ago about how he was going to boot camp and it was going to be a breeze?
18:28.36dataw0lfAND HE FAILED OUT OF BOOT CAMP... MEDICAL REASONS!!
18:28.43dataw0lfThe exact thing I told him that would happen.
18:28.46dataw0lfand he still wants to argue with me.
18:28.48bigdog_utdataw0lf is my mheath
18:28.54bigdog_utroflol
18:29.03dataw0lfbigdog_ut is my daddy
18:29.12bigdog_utlol
18:29.38driphmm.. since bigdog_ut only has girls..
18:29.47dataw0lfhar har har
18:29.53dataw0lfdang it I totally forgot about that
18:29.54driplol
18:30.01bigdog_uti got a son now
18:30.14dataw0lfwhen'd that happen?
18:30.17dripyep  =)
18:30.25bigdog_uthe will be 2 in dec
18:30.34timinatorhe's a cutie
18:30.49dataw0lfoh, wait, I remember
18:30.56bigdog_uthe is getting a motorcycle from santa...so he informs me
18:31.01dataw0lfhaha
18:31.04timinatorLOL
18:31.10dataw0lfget him one of those powerwheels
18:31.11dripnice
18:31.15driptell him to get me one too
18:31.17dataw0lfI had one when I was a kid, I was rocking.
18:31.34dataw0lfI had the Knight Rider Power Wheels
18:31.44timinatorI DID TOO....
18:31.50timinatorWITH THE E-BRAKE
18:31.51driplmao
18:32.09bigdog_utyeah we got one for him...then he informed me that he needs a guitar too
18:32.25timinatoryou'd throw the e-brake and it'd move the rear axle so that you would spin to a stop
18:32.29synicwell obviously.  Of course he needs a guitar.
18:32.37beandogPower Wheels
18:32.38beandogoh *man*
18:32.44dataw0lftiminator: dude, I totally forgot about that.
18:32.52dataw0lfI think I smashed my head into a curb with that little feature.
18:32.54bigdog_uti got him a yuk and he loves it though
18:32.55timinatorLOL
18:33.08timinatornice feature though
18:33.22dataw0lfbigdog_ut: How is he s'pposed to rock out without a guitar?
18:33.23timinatorya, I did some damage too as I recall
18:33.47bigdog_uti know...we got that coming from santa
18:33.53dataw0lfKnight Rider, a shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist.
18:34.00timinatorLOL
18:34.04dripyou already know what's coming from santa?
18:34.22dataw0lfMichael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the powerless, the helpless in a world of criminals who operate above the law.
18:34.41dataw0lfBUM BUM BUMMMM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUMMMMMM BUM BUM
18:34.58herlodataw0lf: that reminds me of this episode of Robot Chicken I recently viewed
18:35.03timinatorDavid Hasselhoff rocks
18:35.10dataw0lfherlo: Robot Chicken rocks
18:35.13bigdog_uthe's a god in germany
18:35.24dripand in bigdog_ut's office.
18:35.28herloI recently found out about it.  Seth Green is hilarious
18:35.29timinatorLOL
18:35.33bigdog_utyeah i got the hair to prove it
18:35.41timinatorLOL
18:35.52bigdog_utpart of the ethug profile
18:36.01timinatordid anyone see his outtake in the movie Dodge Ball??
18:36.03timinatorfunny
18:36.24bigdog_utuh wrong movie timinator
18:36.58herloMichael: I am gonna use the turbo boost
18:36.58herloKit: Michael, I can only use the turbo boost once an episode
18:36.58herloMichael, to hell with it, I'm using it!
18:36.58herlo<Kit crashes into side of tunnel, loud boom, tunnel collapses on top of them>
18:37.32bigdog_uttiminator, joking
18:38.51dripso..  who would win in a fight between air wolf and kit?
18:39.15bigdog_utkit...he has the ejection seat
18:39.28bigdog_utejects michael into air wolf
18:39.33bigdog_utair wolf goes down
18:39.39dataw0lfpfft, Airwolf would rock kit's world.
18:39.41timinatorLOL
18:39.51bigdog_utkit rocks
18:39.51driplmao
18:40.13driponly because you wish you had the mullitude to drive a kit car.
18:40.14dataw0lfkit rocks, but Airwolf is a helicopter
18:40.43dataw0lfmulletsgalore.com
18:40.48timinatorbigdog_ut: no, he had a small part in Dodge Ball (one of the lamest movies of all time) and he has a funny outtake where he makes reference to KITT
18:41.29bigdog_utyeah i know he was the german coach...hence the german ref
18:41.33synicdodgeball was awesome!
18:41.42timinatordodgeball was lame
18:41.47dataw0lfit was meh
18:41.53dataw0lfZoolander is the best Stiller movie.
18:42.10timinatorthat's probably it, I really don't like Stiller
18:42.28dataw0lfI like him.
18:42.35synicI like him a lot.  He made Dodgeball.  Him stuffing the pizza slice down his pants cracked me up.
18:42.59timinatorit looks good on me
18:43.10dataw0lftiminator has a midgiemullet?  sweet!
18:43.29dripwe used to work with the networking mullet.
18:43.38bigdog_uti got the mullhawk
18:43.49dataw0lfI have a picture of me when I was 5 with the spiked hair in the front and the mullet in the back.
18:44.09dataw0lfmy mom said she tried to get me to not get it cut that way, but I was adamant.
18:44.24dataw0lfanyways, it looks pretty sweet now.
18:44.29bigdog_utand drip has the mulletard
18:45.14dripmullet aerial reconnoaissance device.
18:45.31bigdog_utsection 2 mullet 14 is the best
18:45.43dataw0lfha, if you search Google images for bigdog_ut it shows your picture dude.  You totally don't have any privacy.
18:46.09bigdog_utsweet
18:46.17bigdog_uti have the mullet in the back
18:46.26bigdog_uti have that goat now too
18:46.47bigdog_utyeah not good
18:46.55bigdog_uthis mullet sprays
18:47.06synichttp://synic5.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/burn.jpg
18:47.10synic^^ awesome.
18:47.36driplmao
18:47.36dataw0lfhehe
18:49.05timinatorI love those movies
18:50.54synic"just because some droopy drawers wench started distributing swords"
18:51.08synic... I don't know if that's actually what he says, hehe
18:53.08beandogtiminator: lmao
18:53.08dataw0lfOh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw you a sword at you.
18:53.52beandogthat is *great*
18:53.53beandog:D
18:53.55dataw0lfOh, but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
18:54.02synicah, here it is.
18:54.06synic“Listen, strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government!”
18:54.23bigdog_ut"have i got a big nose, mum?"
18:54.31bigdog_ut"stop thinking about sex!"
18:54.40bigdog_ut"i wasnt!"
18:54.43dataw0lfCome and see the violent inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
18:54.50timinatordataw0lf: THAT'S IT
18:55.37dataw0lfOh what a giveaway! Did you hear that?  Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me?  You saw him, didn't you?
18:55.48bigdog_ut"Bravely bold Sir Robin rode forth from Camelot. He was not afraid to die, oh brave Sir Robin. He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways, brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin. He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp, or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken. To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away, and his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Sir Robin. His head smashed in and heart c
18:55.49bigdog_utut out, and his liver removed, and his bowels unplugged, and his nostrils ripped and his bottom burned off and his penis..."
18:56.06timinatorROTFLOL
18:56.11bigdog_utThat's, uh, that's enough music for now, lads... looks like there's dirty work afoot.
18:56.47bigdog_utEvery time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy"...
18:56.54dataw0lfOh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies.  There is a pestilence upon this land, nothing is sacred.  Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.
18:56.58dataw0lfDid you say shrubberies?
18:57.14dataw0lfYes, shrubberies are my trade.  I am a shrubber.  My name is Roger the Shrubber.  I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies.
18:57.19synichah, every sentence in the whole movie is quotably hilarious.
18:57.32timinatorLOLOLOL
18:57.50bigdog_ut...and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped.
18:57.56bigdog_utThis new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
18:58.01timinatorIt's just a flesh wound
18:58.52dataw0lfWho are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
18:58.58dataw0lfThere are some who call me... Tim.
18:59.08bigdog_utclassic -> Well, now, uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, wait until nightfall, and then leap out of the rabbit, taking the French by surprise - not only by surprise, but totally unarmed!
18:59.10timinatorLOL
18:59.30timinatorare you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
18:59.40bigdog_utfor being 31yrs old it is still great
19:00.28dataw0lfLook, that rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide!  It's a killer!
19:00.45dataw0lfHe's got huge, sharp, er, he can leap about!  Look at the bones!
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19:01.33bigdog_utGo and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Grail.
19:01.40bigdog_utWell, I'll ask him, but I don't think he will be very keen. Uh, he's already got one, you see.
19:01.54burninhehe
19:01.57bigdog_utWhat?
19:01.59timinatorLOL
19:02.07bigdog_utHe said theyve already got one!
19:02.11bigdog_utare you sure hes got one?
19:02.18bigdog_utoh yes, its very nice!
19:02.53bigdog_utdataw0lf: Well, we'll not risk another frontal assault. That rabbit's dynamite.
19:03.36bigdog_utI *warned* you, but did you listen to me? Oh, no, you *knew*, didn't you? Oh, it's just a harmless little *bunny*, isn't it?
19:04.13bigdog_utThat's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!
19:04.24dripWhat's the average velocity of an unladen sparrow?
19:04.30dripAfrican or European?
19:04.36dripuh.. I dunno
19:04.37dripahhhhhh
19:04.51bigdog_utWhat do you mean? An African or European swallow?
19:04.58beandogThats the only part of the movie I ever understood as a kid
19:05.14bigdog_utHow do know so much about swallows?
19:05.29dataw0lfbigdog_ut: hehe, I love that frontal assault bit
19:05.36dataw0lf"That rabbit's dynamite."
19:05.41dataw0lfrol
19:05.43timinatoryou guys, I can't code when I'm laughing this hard
19:05.45bigdog_utlol
19:06.04bigdog_utwell, you have to know these things when you are king
19:06.10bigdog_utyou know
19:06.11dataw0lfbigdog_ut: did you give me input on my site yet?
19:06.13dataw0lfstderr.ws
19:06.36dataw0lfthat's just the barebones layout, I'm going to add images and a colorscheme inside the various divs
19:07.02bigdog_utcool
19:07.28bigdog_utYou must spank her well, and after you are done with her, you may deal with her as you like... and then... spank me.
19:07.47bigdog_utYes. Yes, you must give us all a good spanking.
19:08.09timinatorhehe
19:08.30timinatorTell me, what have the Romans given us??
19:09.33Lone_WandererI need to find the dentist who put in these fillings and make him pay to have someone competent redo them all.
19:09.34dripJudean people's front!?  Pfft.. We're the People's front of Judea!
19:09.54Lone_WandererI just lost another one =\
19:10.20dataw0lftiminator: Brought peace?
19:10.53Lone_Wandererinfrastructure
19:10.57Lone_Wandereraqueducts
19:11.00Lone_Wandererpublic sewage
19:11.08Lone_Wandererdecent roads
19:11.18dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: it's a quote from Life of Brian
19:11.19Lone_Wandererbut other than that, nothing at all.
19:11.23Lone_WandererI know :p
19:11.28timinatorwell, yes, but besides peace, what have the Romans given us?
19:11.43timinatorI love that part
19:11.44Lone_WandererI seem to have a humor deficiency today.
19:11.48dataw0lfAll right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
19:12.06timinatorLOL DW
19:12.29Lone_WandererI like the part with the guy in the pit who hasn't spoken in however many years.
19:13.12dataw0lfI like the crucifixion part.
19:13.18dataw0lfCrucifixion?
19:13.19dataw0lfYes
19:13.27dataw0lfGood.  Out of the door, line on the left, one cross each.
19:13.32dataw0lfCrucifixion?
19:13.41dataw0lfUm, no, freedom, actually.
19:13.43dataw0lfWhat?
19:13.58dataw0lfYea, they said I hadn't done anything and I could go and live on an island somewhere.
19:14.05dataw0lfOh, I say, that's nice.  Well, off you go then.
19:14.06timinatorLOL
19:14.18dataw0lfNo, I'm just pulling your leg, it's crucifixion, really.
19:14.26dataw0lfhahaha, oh yes, very good, well..
19:14.35dataw0lfYes, I know, out of the door, one cross each, line on the left
19:16.00dataw0lfor the leper that Jesus cured.
19:16.08dataw0lfwho cured you?
19:16.48dataw0lfJesus did, sir.  I was hopping along, mindin my own business, when all of a sudden, up he comes, cures me!  One minute I'm a leper with a trade, next minute my livelihood's gone.  Not so much as a by-your-leave!  "You're cured, mate."  Bloody do-gooder.
19:18.15Lone_Wanderer!!!
19:18.19Lone_WandererAnother filling!  Gone!
19:18.36timinatorLW :(
19:18.52Lone_WandererTwo of them in five minutes.  Actually I suspect they're the same one, and it was just broken.
19:25.42dataw0lfanyone need a Linux shell account?
19:32.12wpsI need a whole server :)
19:33.11dataw0lfthat's always a pain
19:33.16wps:(
19:33.27wpsemail accounts… websites… everything
19:33.29wpsit won't be fun
19:33.31dataw0lfwhy not just image it onto a portable hard drive?
19:34.01wpsbecause it will take me a few weeks to rebuild it all and make sure that everything is back up and people won't be happy with their email being down that long
19:34.10wpsand mailing lists
19:34.34wpsthere is nothing wrong with the system… it's running like a champ
19:34.48wpsbut I just think that I should for security reasons since the OS is old (FC3)
19:36.31bigdog_utmindjuju, what is your question?
19:37.20wpshow long do you think is stupid to wait to upgrade (if the server is just used for mail, lists, and low-scale websites and everything is just fine)?
19:37.21mindjujuusing ms sql 2k5 installed on win2k3, is it possible to bind SQL to a NIC so that SQL only responds to request off of that particular NIC
19:37.48bigdog_utyou cant bind sql to a nic
19:37.57mindjujubummer, i didn't think so
19:38.02bigdog_utyou can bind a service to listen on a nic
19:38.16mindjujucurious
19:38.17dataw0lfwps: If there aren't any inherent security or platform issues to address, you shouldn't.
19:38.26bigdog_utor ip address for that matter...but it is windows so not sure if you can do that
19:38.50wpsk
19:38.50bigdog_utwps you can do an upgrade from fc3 to fc4 and that should be ok
19:39.00wpsI've heard that upgrades are ugly though
19:39.05mindjujuwell, you've given me an idea, i've checked books online for it, and can't find anything, but your right, i might be able to move the service to only check there
19:39.06dataw0lfmindjuju: that doesn't have anything really to do with SQL;  that's a networking issue.  And yes, it's possible.
19:39.19dataw0lfwps: Fedora upgrades are, yea.
19:39.34wps… that more things go wrong then right
19:40.38bigdog_utproblem is that fc wants to be cutting edge and they dont do a thorough test of the upgrades imho
19:40.39dataw0lfevery Fedora upgrade I've dealt with on a performing server has gone awry.
19:41.12dataw0lfwps: but FC3 is pretty new package wise in the operating server world.
19:41.13Utah_DaveI don't trust fedora upgrades.
19:41.25dataw0lfit's how they manage rpms and rpm upgrades.
19:41.34wpsyeah… not that old as far as production servers go?
19:41.42dataw0lfwps: yea, I wouldn't worry about it.
19:41.45wpscool
19:41.52dataw0lfjust keep uptodate with security patches *shrug*
19:41.53wpsthat's nice to hear
19:42.14wpsbecause the server is all configured exactly how I want… locked down tight… and running like a champ
19:43.57dataw0lfmindjuju: did you figure 'er out?
19:44.16mindjujulooking at the services now to see what can be done on that side
19:44.20dataw0lfattach SQL server to an ip address, and attach that ip address to a NIC.
19:51.00dataw0lfman, I'm going to have to password protect the packetbot demo, I don't want undesirables seeing my packets on my server
19:51.19bigdog_utfor
19:52.05bigdog_utmindjuju: it might be in the remote access if you are 2003 server
19:52.08dataw0lffor packetbot
19:52.21bigdog_utdataw0lf, okay
19:52.36dataw0lfbasically, an AJAX version of ethereal.
19:52.42bigdog_utmindjuju, you should switch to linux and postgresql then you would not have this problem
19:52.59bigdog_utrefactoring a database is the worst
19:53.07mindjujuat this point in the game, might be a smidge too late for this project
19:53.24dataw0lftell me about it, I'm refactoring two databases right now.
19:53.47dataw0lfMySQL to boot
19:54.00bigdog_utim refactoring about 94 tables cause people decide to create user and person separate and then link everything to person and not user
19:54.05bigdog_utdrip, does that sounds familiar
19:54.16bigdog_utouch...im glad we use pgsql here
19:54.28dataw0lfwe use PG, MySQL, and Oracle here.
19:54.42bigdog_uti would drop the mysql and call that good
19:54.54dataw0lfbut most of the Oracle stuff we need to audit goes to my teams DBAs :\
20:00.23dataw0lfso I just went to the bathroom and realized that I was wearing a pair of my girlfriend's boxers.
20:00.27dataw0lfthat's nice.
20:01.01bigdog_utvs show lastnight was good
20:17.56Utah_Daves/boxer's/pink thong
20:18.12dataw0lfautomatic bill pay is the greatest invention by banks EVER.
20:28.09glitch-Hi Utah_Dave =)
20:30.07macnewboldso does an ajax version of ethereal dump network traffic the server is seeing, or that the client machine is seeing?
20:30.33dataw0lfmacnewbold: it's just a client for the packet analyzer itself
20:30.50fungusajax + ethereal ???  sounds very strange
20:30.55dataw0lfit's for some custom firewall tools I'm playing with
20:31.25dataw0lffungus: transfer the packet information via JSON to the javascript which requested various search / filter parameters
20:31.39dataw0lfand then update 'live' client side
20:32.07fungushmm, interesting.  
20:33.45dataw0lfit's nothing really spectacular at this point
20:34.02dataw0lfbut I hope to use it as a teaching aid for packet analysis and construction
20:34.24dataw0lfalso, to visually represent an attack to potential/existing clients
20:35.00dataw0lfthe javascript client is module based;  I can insert modules that will stop certain packets and eventually explain them via pop up or whatever
20:35.35timinatorsounds VERY cool
20:35.40dataw0lfso, if I want to give a presentation on, say, 'ARP poisoning', I can insert my arp poisoning module and voila
20:35.44Lone_Wandereryeah it sounds reet nifty
20:35.46dataw0lfinstant presentation
20:36.00dataw0lfor write a quick module for a specific attack that happened on a client
20:36.02dataw0lfetc
20:38.04dataw0lfI wrote a version of this in wxPython but got half way and dumped it in favor of something else
20:38.33Lone_Wandererhey, speaking of packet monitoring and whatnot
20:38.42dataw0lfbut this is more applicable because I can package it with custom firewalls if need be.  Even though I don't really condone it's actual use in a enterprise setting
20:39.07Lone_Wandererhow hard would it be to write a WoW "client" that would only do very simple things in game, like responding to chat automatically and trading with people?
20:39.21dataw0lfyou want a bot, huh
20:39.24Lone_Wandereryep
20:39.25Lone_Wanderera trading bot
20:39.47fungusIf you don't mind your account getting banned, it is possible.
20:39.55dataw0lfI'm unfamiliar with the communication medium behind WoW
20:40.06Lone_Wandererbots are only not-allowed if you use them to level your character
20:40.15dataw0lfbut in essence you'd need to parse events and send events back
20:40.49fungusI am pretty sure that all bots are banned.
20:40.57xilch|wif you roll your own bot well enough, WOW will never find it
20:41.22Lone_WandererHardest part, I'd imagine, would be figuring out how the real client receives and interprets the different events.
20:41.25dataw0lfyea, but to your roll your own bot well enough takes trial and error
20:41.38Lone_Wandereror just lots of packet monitoring
20:41.49Lone_Wandererwhile you run around Org talking and trading
20:41.52fungusI suggest starting with someone else's code.
20:41.56dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: it's called reverse engineering my friend.
20:41.58fungus~google wow bots
20:42.03dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: And I wouldn't start from scratch.
20:42.13Lone_WandererYes.  Lots of reverse engineering.
20:43.20Lone_WandererOr WoW could just implement player-owned vendors and save me a lot of trouble.
20:43.55timinatorthat's how I started in web design.... bought an O'Reilly book and reversed engineered any app that I wanted to build
20:44.39timinatoractually, I got my start reverse engineering simple HTML pages.... but that was almost a decade ago
20:47.46timinatoranyone else here self-taught??
20:47.54Lone_WandererI am yeah.
20:48.00timinatorcool
20:48.07timinatorwas taking the silence as a bad thing
20:48.12Lone_WandererPicked up a PHP book and started poking around.
20:48.22timinatornice
20:48.29Lone_WandererI've still got it around somewhere.
20:48.45Lone_WandererNot originally though.  I took a few programming classes in school.
20:49.15Lone_WandererAnd then a beginning C programming class in college.
20:49.38fungusmy programming started w/ applesoft basic in junior high.  
20:49.49Lone_WandererLogo in grade school :p
20:50.20beandogtiminator: yomes
20:50.27beandogLOGO
20:50.30beandogoh *man*
20:50.34timinatoryomes?
20:50.40beandogtiminator: self-taught as well
20:50.49timinatorbeandog: nice
20:51.59timinatorfungus and LW: Jr High and grade school?!?!  It was all we could do to get a spanish semester in High School... and grade school? Forget about it!
20:52.21dataw0lfYea, no kidding.  All the funding in my school went to metal detectors and police officers.
20:52.33timinatorLOL
20:52.42dataw0lfI learned C when I was 13 when I made my parents get the K&R for me.
20:52.44Lone_WandererI never really thought about that.
20:53.14beandogK&R?
20:53.26atoponcequestion: do i have presenters for the php workshop in jan?
20:53.29Lone_WandererWe just had a bunch of old Apple II's, and the computer lady made us learn Logo.
20:53.36fungusWe were using the Apple IIe way past its livetime.
20:53.36Lone_WandererKernighan & Ritchie
20:53.40dataw0lfKernighan and Ritchie
20:53.46dataw0lfThe C Programming Language
20:54.15Lone_WandererThen I went to a technology magnet junior high.  I guess St. Paul schools were pretty well funded.
20:54.49Lone_WandererThey tried to teach me C in Jr. High but I couldn't understand why you needed all that extra junk just to do something so simple.  #include what?  Just give me a damn turtle.
20:55.16dataw0lfI'm happy C was my first language.
20:55.20dataw0lfeven though it was painful.
20:55.58fungusI didn't get to C until college.  :(
20:55.59Lone_WandererI'm glad I learned Logo.  I got to get my head around recursion and iteration at an early age.
20:56.04Lone_WandererOMG LATE BLOOMER!!! ;)
20:56.11Lone_Wanderer(Neither did I.)
20:56.35mindjujuhey, wasn't there somebody here who worked with a company that did some kind of printing
20:56.44Lone_WandererOh I learned HyperCard in Jr. High too.
20:56.46mindjujulike greeting cards or something
20:56.48Lone_WandererThat was tons of fun.
20:56.54Lone_Wandereryeah, me.
20:57.00beandogHyperCard
20:57.02beandogthat was great.
20:57.06Lone_WandererSendsations, they do postcards for realtors
20:57.08timinatorLW: you work in printing???
20:57.14timinatorNICE
20:57.16Lone_Wandererbut they were branching out into other stuff when I "left" *cough*
20:57.38Lone_WandererI don't work in printing, no.  I'm in VoIP currently.
20:57.47timinatorah
20:57.47Lone_WandererBut a few years ago I worked for a company that did.
20:57.57Lone_WandererNot my greatest moment.
20:57.59timinatorI have a printing background
20:58.00fungusFYI: don't buy hard drives on ebay unless they are sealed and are under manu. warranty.
20:58.05Lone_WandererAshley Oviatt still works for them.
20:58.13Lone_WandererHe's a good guy.
20:58.17timinatorstill miss the smell
20:58.29beandogfungus: well even if its not sealed, couldnt you just rma it?
20:58.52fungusperhaps, but it still sucks ass
20:59.16xilch|wmindjuju: synic and I do cards
20:59.38bigdog_utlol
20:59.45timinator:)
20:59.47xilch|wgreeting cards
20:59.48bigdog_ut~slap timinator
20:59.50jbotACTION slaps timinator, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
20:59.58timinator~lart bigdog_ut
21:00.11bigdog_ut~lart timinator
21:00.16bigdog_utlol
21:00.21timinatorurgh
21:00.21bigdog_utjbot karma
21:00.21jbotbigdog_ut has karma of 8
21:00.32beandogjbot karma
21:00.32jbotbeandog has karma of 2
21:00.34bigdog_utjbot timinator
21:00.36jbotfrom memory, timinator is the person formally known as timothy_, or owns his own business, or likes to wear a stetson and chaps with nothing else on!
21:00.36beandogdoh.
21:00.41timinatorBRB
21:00.43timinatorLOL
21:00.46bigdog_ut~karma timinator
21:00.47jbottiminator has neutral karma
21:00.47beandogjbot beandog
21:00.48jbotsomebody said beandog was cool
21:00.50Lone_Wandererjbot Lone_Wanderer
21:00.51jbot[lone_wanderer] on the road again, all alone
21:00.52bigdog_utlol
21:00.54xilch|wtiminator: yeah, real pressrooms smell good
21:00.56beandogtiminator++
21:00.58atoponcehaha
21:01.02bigdog_ut~karma timinator
21:01.02jbottiminator has neutral karma
21:01.03Lone_Wandererjbot karma
21:01.03jbotlone_wanderer has neutral karma
21:01.11xilch|wwe run all variable, so we have to use giant copiers
21:01.12Lone_Wandererhow do I get karma? :(
21:01.24bigdog_utLone_Wanderer, sorry you dont have it
21:01.30bigdog_ut~karma mindjuju
21:01.30jbotmindjuju has karma of -1
21:01.34bigdog_utlol
21:01.34Lone_WandererOh well.
21:01.36beandoglol
21:01.41dataw0lf~karma dataw0lf
21:01.42jbotdataw0lf has karma of 3
21:01.42bigdog_ut~karma macnewbold
21:01.42jbotmacnewbold has karma of 7
21:01.49macnewboldnice
21:01.51macnewboldhehe
21:01.52bigdog_ut~karma wps
21:01.52jbotwps has karma of 10
21:01.56macnewboldooh
21:01.59bigdog_utdoh
21:02.01macnewbold~worship wps
21:02.03jbotACTION prostrates himself before wps.  "I'm not worthy!"
21:02.03macnewbold~wps
21:02.04jboti guess wps is Mr. Sexy Pants
21:02.04beandogwoo
21:02.06dataw0lfhehe
21:02.06bigdog_utbigdog_ut++
21:02.10dataw0lf~dataw0lf
21:02.11jbot[dataw0lf] sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr
21:02.22bigdog_ut~karma bigdog_ut +2
21:02.22jbotbigdog_ut +2 has neutral karma
21:02.29bigdog_ut~karma bigdog_ut
21:02.29jbotbigdog_ut has karma of 8
21:02.38dataw0lfuse the ++ operator bigdog
21:02.51bigdog_utbigdog_ut++
21:02.52bigdog_utbigdog_ut++
21:02.54bigdog_ut~karma bigdog_ut
21:02.54jbotbigdog_ut has karma of 8
21:02.55beandoggentoo++
21:02.58beandog~karma gentoo
21:02.58jbotgentoo has karma of 2
21:03.01dataw0lfgentoo--
21:03.01beandogwoots.
21:03.03dataw0lfdebian++
21:03.04beandogbuh
21:03.08dataw0lf~debian
21:03.09jbotrumour has it, debian is a free software GNU/Linux distribution. Debian 3.1 contains KDE 3.3.2
21:03.10Lone_Wandererslackware++
21:03.10bigdog_utubuntu--
21:03.11bigdog_utubuntu--
21:03.12bigdog_utubuntu--
21:03.13bigdog_utubuntu--
21:03.14dataw0lf~karma debian
21:03.14jbotdebian has karma of 2
21:03.15bigdog_utubuntu--
21:03.17beandoglol bigdog_ut
21:03.18atoponceuh oh
21:03.20dataw0lfgentoo--
21:03.21Lone_Wanderer~spam bigdog_ut
21:03.22jbotACTION subscribes bigdog_ut to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for bigdog_ut to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day
21:03.22dataw0lfgentoo--
21:03.24dataw0lfgentoo--
21:03.26bigdog_utlol
21:03.27dataw0lfgentoo--
21:03.29dataw0lfubuntu++
21:03.31beandogD:
21:03.32dataw0lfubuntu++
21:03.34dataw0lfubuntu++
21:03.35bigdog_ut~karma gentoo
21:03.35jbotgentoo has karma of 2
21:03.37dataw0lfubuntu++
21:03.39dataw0lfubuntu++
21:03.42dataw0lf~karma ubuntu
21:03.42jbotubuntu has neutral karma
21:03.46dataw0lfubuntu++
21:03.51dataw0lfthere, we're all even
21:03.53dataw0lfcept debian
21:03.54dataw0lfdebian++
21:03.57dataw0lf~karma debian
21:03.57jbotdebian has karma of 2
21:04.00dataw0lfgrr
21:04.03beandoghee hee hee
21:04.13dataw0lfok, let's just leave them all at 2...
21:04.45dataw0lf~bigdog_ut
21:04.47jboti heard bigdog_ut is Mullet Man, a.k.a. El Perro Loco, or "the gimp", or known as the schwagmeister, or a big meany, or laden, or full of Schmack at times, or the nagios king, or a resident loser, or a mind reader, or a retard at times, or the resident guru of eclipse, or a nerd
21:04.55beandogMullet Man?
21:04.59bigdog_uti think i have the best
21:05.04atoponcefor (ubuntu = 0; ubuntu > (ubuntu - 1); ubuntu++)
21:05.05bigdog_utyeah i have the midgiemullet
21:05.12dataw0lf~macnewbold
21:05.14jbotrumour has it, macnewbold is unavailable
21:05.30bigdog_utlike timinator
21:05.40dataw0lfare they dating each other?
21:06.15bigdog_ut~blob
21:06.16jbotsomebody said blob was the Boot Loader OBject, or http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/lartware/blob/
21:06.25beandog~gentoo
21:06.27jboti heard gentoo is foo
21:06.30beandogheh
21:06.34dataw0lf+d for debian
21:06.38beandog~debian
21:06.40jbotfrom memory, debian is a free software GNU/Linux distribution. Debian 3.1 contains KDE 3.3.2
21:06.44bigdog_utjbot debian is bar
21:06.45jbot...but debian is already something else...
21:06.50beandoghow do you set the "is" thing
21:07.04Lone_WandererIs Dojo a fairly good js toolkit?
21:07.19atoponcewasn't etch supposed to be released on the 4th?
21:07.21Lone_Wanderer~karma slackware
21:07.21jbotslackware has neutral karma
21:07.26Lone_Wandererslackware++
21:07.29Lone_Wandererslackware++
21:07.30dataw0lfyeeeech
21:07.31Lone_WandererThere.
21:07.35dataw0lfc'mon, now, Lone_Wanderer
21:07.41Lone_WandererOh come off it, you said to leave them all at 2.
21:07.46dataw0lfwe all know Slackware isn't a Gentoo or Debian
21:07.58Lone_WandererClearly.  If it were it'd have the same name.
21:08.07Lone_WandererAnyway.  Dojo.  Good toolkit?  Should I bother learning it?
21:08.19dataw0lfaw, don't me mad LW.
21:08.22dataw0lfs/me/be
21:08.27dataw0lfDojo sucks.
21:08.29Lone_Wandererlol I'm not
21:08.36Lone_Wandereroh.  then why'd you mention it the other day? =\
21:08.54dataw0lfprobably because it sucks.
21:09.15Lone_WandererI got to the part in the book where it said that it modifies the DOM of the pages it loads and started thinking "This sounds like it may be a bad idea..."
21:09.27Lone_WandererSo name a good js toolkit?
21:09.35dataw0lfI can't, really.
21:09.48Lone_WandererOkay, name the least sucky js toolkit you're aware of?
21:09.48dataw0lfeveryone likes prototype.
21:10.21Lone_Wandererewww, it says RoR on the front page.
21:11.20dataw0lfI thought every web site related to web development had to have a reference to Ruby on Rails.
21:11.32dataw0lfas ordered by the God of Buzz Words
21:11.34dataw0lfwho would be..
21:11.37dataw0lfSteve Jobs?
21:11.42Lone_WandererRoR is getting old for a buzzword though.
21:12.13Lone_WandererAm I the only person who loves to hate Steve Jobs?
21:12.16macnewbold~RoR
21:12.18jboti guess ror is Ruby on Rails, or the best thing since tomatoes, onion, lime and cilantro
21:12.27macnewboldI was hoping they had something funnier than that in there...
21:12.40beandogLone_Wanderer: no
21:12.52beandogI love to hate you
21:13.15Lone_WandererSo I return them to the sender, and the note attached will read
21:14.09beandogWhat is rails anyway?
21:14.12beandogwhats wrong with ruby?
21:14.20Lone_WandererI just tried RoR and didn't really like it.
21:14.28Lone_WandererNo specific complaints, it just wasn't for me.
21:15.25dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: I don't love to hate Steve Jobs.  It's something I do with a heavy heart.
21:16.25dataw0lfconstant() returns false if it can't find the constant, correct?
21:16.31dataw0lfbecause I'm getting weird returns on this.
21:17.47dataw0lfreturns null.  same thing.
21:33.10*** part/#uphpu glitch- (i=1045@unaffiliated/glitchz)
21:36.19dataw0lfheh
21:36.34dataw0lfglitch-: tried to convince me I knew him and to hook him up with a shell account.
21:36.54dataw0lfanyone know if there's a way in the Google Maps API to restrict the size (width) of an info window?
21:37.07Lone_WandererNo clue, I'm afraid.
21:37.35dataw0lfI'm thinking a container div may be the answer I'm looking for.
21:39.52dataw0lfyup, that'll do her
21:40.05Lone_WandererI think I just pissed off a girl I know.
21:40.22Lone_WandererKristy: no. you may not get introduced to any of more of my friends and not everyone i know is a dating potential for you
21:40.58dataw0lfshe likes you.
21:41.18Lone_WandererPeople keep saying that but she's dating someone else and has made it clear that she does not, in fact, like me.
21:41.25dataw0lfShe does.
21:41.37timinatormy wife did the same thing
21:41.44timinatorshe likes you
21:42.00Lone_WandererShe has a boyfriend!
21:42.13dataw0lfthat doesn't have an effect on her feelings for you, apparently.
21:42.14Lone_WandererPlus she's completely Molly.
21:42.30Lone_WandererShe has lunch with President Monson *all the time*.
21:42.57dataw0lfwhat's a Molly?
21:43.01Lone_WandererMolly Mormon
21:43.17dataw0lfso what, you obviously like her too.
21:43.27Lone_WandererIs it that obvious? >.>
21:43.49dataw0lfto me it is.
21:43.55Lone_WandererWhat gave it away?
21:44.33dataw0lfyou're using me as a person to bounce off reasons why you shouldn't like her.
21:44.48dataw0lfAnd the protests you made were of a liking nature.
21:44.53Lone_Wandererhmmm
21:45.10dataw0lfdon't worry, most people are oblivious.
21:47.54dataw0lfMac throwing the knock out punches in the contract convo
21:48.10dataw0lfpure awesomeness macnewbold
21:48.30Lone_WandererI like how he ended the conversation with "Thanks to everyone who contributed".
21:48.47dataw0lfhe just posted another
21:49.12Lone_Wandererohhh
21:52.02dataw0lfI love the Google Map API.  It responds exactly how you'd expect it to in most situations.
21:53.01dataw0lfconstant() is broken, it shouldn't throw a warning if failure occurs, and should return false instead of null.
21:53.14dataw0lfbroken from my judgement anyway
21:54.37Lone_WandererThe Great Dataw0lf's judgement is never mistaken.
21:54.52dataw0lfYou're correct.
22:05.54dataw0lfhttp://www.denverpost.com/ci_4783650
22:12.42dataw0lfhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/12/05/new-survey-shows-iraqis-want-the-troops-to-leave/
22:12.53bigdog_utdataw0lf do you ever work
22:13.15syniconly if it doesn't interfer with IRC.
22:13.29bigdog_utsynic, im thinking that is the case
22:13.42dataw0lfI work a lot.  I'm just a multitasker.
22:13.50bigdog_utk
22:20.10Lone_WandererWoah.
22:20.23Lone_WandererThey need to just drop the charges on both of those kids.  Seriously.
22:26.53bigdog_utthis hour of "In the courthouse" brought to you by Trojan
22:27.15timinatorLOL bigdog_ut
22:27.47dataw0lfwhen did you become a comedian, bigdog_ut?  
22:27.53dataw0lfyou should get a job at the laugh factory
22:27.56dataw0lfwith Michael Richards
22:28.03bigdog_utdataw0lf did that make you laugh?
22:28.10dataw0lfwell, yes
22:28.25bigdog_utever since i stopped working for the af
22:32.17bigdog_utis umask recursive?
22:33.49dataw0lfumask applies to any files you create, if that's what you mean
22:34.57bigdog_utjust wondering if i set the umask in a directory and if i create a subdir and tiles in there get the umask from the parent dir
22:35.01bigdog_uti guess it would
22:35.19Lone_WandererTry it and see?
22:41.30mindjujuping @ synic
22:43.52bigdog_ut~ping mindjuju
22:43.55jbotpong mindjuju
22:44.22fungusLOL "NEVER presume you can tell if anyone uses or doesn't. Your tied-dyed sysadmin who cranks up Pink Floyd may be a Mormon. A wrong guess either way can be a career-limiting move."
22:44.23fungushttp://www.valleywag.com/tech/svug/svug-2-do-tech-people-do-drugs-219309.php
22:45.19mindjujuwow, i don't wear tied-dye but i do like pink floyd
22:45.25mindjujuand do crank it after hours
22:45.48mindjujuwonder if pink floyd is a sin?
22:46.03bigdog_utnope
22:46.07bigdog_utit is heaven
22:46.24funguslistening to pink floyd is not, but living a life like Roger Waters definitely is.
22:47.04bigdog_utmy life is more like john holmes
22:47.13bigdog_utoh he does
22:47.28fungusand he doesn't share.  :(
22:47.49mindjujudon't smoke, hard on the lungs, but brownies with additives are great!
22:48.13mindjujujk - worked to hard to cram my head info, would hate to loose it
22:48.45fungusright, good point
22:52.44timinatorhey
22:52.54timinatoris there HTML to display a heart?
22:53.03Lone_Wandereryes
22:53.08Lone_Wandererlemme find it
22:53.12timinatorcool
22:53.54mindjujutiminator - http://www.asciitable.com/
22:54.00Lone_Wanderer&#9829; I believe
22:54.03mindjujui'll find you the code real quick, but that's where i get all my ascii
22:54.55fungus&hearts;
22:55.17Lone_WandererThat works better.
22:55.27fungushttp://www.lookuptables.com/ linked from http://www.asciitable.com/
22:55.47mindjujuyeah, one up me fungus
22:57.06timinatorcool
22:57.08timinatorthanks guys
23:05.16synicmindjuju: sup?
23:19.42beandogIm gonna have to go rent the holy grail tonight
23:19.47beandogthanks to you punks
23:19.49macnewboldhehe, yeah, that show rocks
23:20.12fungusWhat?! you don't already *own* it?
23:20.20beandognopies
23:20.25Lone_WandererOKAY FINE I WILL INTERNATIONALIZE OUR DATABASE AND WEB SITE
23:20.33Lone_WandererARE YOU HAPPY NOW MR. E911 FEE?
23:21.07beandogLone_Wanderer: just stick a "Blame Canada" sticker on the server and call it international
23:21.09Lone_WandererMister "there's no good way to take care of me short of going fully international before I was really prepared to"?
23:21.21Lone_WandererActually I blame the salespeople.
23:21.30beandogIm sure they could use some stickers too
23:21.31Lone_WandererThey started selling to people in Mexico before we gave them permission.
23:22.34Lone_Wanderer"But they're US numbers!"  "If they call 911 in Mexico City, it's not going to matter where the number is located."
23:25.24dataw0lfthat's not smart.
23:29.15Lone_WandererTell me about it.
23:29.47macnewbolddo most foreign countries even have 911? even under a different phone number?
23:29.55Lone_WandererI dunno, but it doesn't matter
23:30.15Lone_WandererWe only want to charge them the fee if they're located in the US
23:31.09macnewboldat the time they call 911?
23:31.20macnewboldisn't voip great? you can take it with you...
23:31.26Lone_Wandereryeah, there's that too
23:31.51Lone_Wandererbut no, it's contingent upon where they say their "location" is
23:32.10Lone_Wanderer(or if they're a specific reseller, who's purchasing non-existent numbers, then they don't get charged either)
23:32.42Lone_WandererOh baby oh baby.  This particular hack looks easiest.
23:34.27macnewboldbrb
23:43.25*** join/#uphpu cyco|w (n=cyco@66.114.120.2)
23:44.31Lone_WandererOkay I think it's time to go home.
23:44.36Lone_WandererNow that the hack has been perpetrated.
23:46.34herloanybody run into the problem in Mediawiki where the uploaded png image doesn't appear in it's page, but if you click the direct link it's available?
23:46.43herlohttp://plan.utos.org/wiki/Image:Logo2.png
23:46.47Lone_Wanderernever even used mediawiki
23:47.07herloLone_Wanderer: then no need to answer
23:47.27dataw0lfhehe
23:47.32Lone_WandererSorry, next time I'll remain silent, leading you to question whether I've even read your question or not.
23:47.42herloLone_Wanderer: okay
23:48.22bigdog_utnever even seen mediawiki :)
23:48.43bigdog_utherlo needs kids
23:51.43bigdog_ut~nickometer dataw0lf
23:52.06_psychic_~nickometer bigdog_ut
23:52.15bigdog_utim not that bad
23:52.17_psychic_~nickometer _psychic_
23:52.22Lone_Wanderer~nickometer Lone_Wanderer
23:52.23_psychic_tie!
23:52.29_psychic_!
23:52.48Lone_WandererClearly the algorithm is flawed, but I till strut nonetheless.
23:53.24Lone_Wanderers/till/will
23:53.25timinatorwhat'd I miss?
23:53.47bigdog_ut~nickometer #uphpu
23:54.17bigdog_utlol Utah_Dave is lame
23:56.20timinatorwhat's that?
23:56.27dataw0lfsee how lame your nick is.
23:56.27timinator(Nickometer)
23:56.33timinatorah
23:56.43mindjujuyeah, that dw, he's fairly lame
23:57.10timinatorplease..... timinator is kind of lame
23:57.14dataw0lfOnly in life.
23:57.46Lone_WandererDW- what don't you like about dojo?
23:58.01Lone_Wanderer'cause people on Ye Olde Mailing List are singing it's praises.
23:58.14mindjujui don't think he's against dojo
23:58.24mindjujui think he's against ajax frameworks in general
23:58.55mindjujucouple days ago he mentioned that all seemed to be lacking
23:59.11Lone_Wandererok
23:59.19_psychic_I hate anything using "web 2.0" to promote itself.
23:59.28Lone_WandererI agree
23:59.40_psychic_Dojo looks really cool
23:59.42Lone_Wandererbut using ajax makes this process much easier
23:59.48_psychic_though I don't think SVG should be a bragging point
23:59.53Lone_WandererNo, I don't either

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