| 00:10.31 | dataw0lf | oh, it's about that time, innit. |
| 00:10.36 | dataw0lf | what's the exact time over there in SLC? |
| 00:11.06 | synic | Mon Dec 4 17:11:23 MST 2006 |
| 00:12.15 | dataw0lf | danke synic |
| 00:13.45 | dataw0lf | anyone have a good reference for JavaScript performance streamlining? |
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| 00:23.37 | dataw0lf | herlo: got any good references for JavaScript performance streamlining? |
| 00:24.55 | timinator | I'm out guys |
| 00:24.58 | timinator | have a good night |
| 00:25.00 | Lone_Wanderer | later |
| 00:34.37 | dataw0lf | dang, macnewbold is taking that recruiter out |
| 00:34.38 | dataw0lf | gj mac |
| 00:35.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah he is :) |
| 00:35.17 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 00:35.40 | macnewbold | I don't mean to be really hard on him, but it's how I feel about it, and he asked and wanted to know... |
| 00:36.15 | herlo | dataw0lf: not really. I mostly steal my JS when I need it, except when doing AJAX stuff |
| 00:36.20 | macnewbold | I'm not happy as a worker or an employer if it isn't a win-win deal - both agree that they're getting a fair deal |
| 00:36.59 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: you brought up some excellent points. |
| 00:37.01 | dataw0lf | so did Scott. |
| 00:37.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Headhunters can occasionally provide valuable services. |
| 00:37.33 | dataw0lf | the employer's expectation is skewed a great deal by the amount the recruiter is requiring. |
| 00:37.37 | Lone_Wanderer | But taking a slice off the top of every hour you work is not one of them. |
| 00:37.46 | dataw0lf | Well, I just don't think it's logical whatsoever. |
| 00:37.46 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm a flat fee kinda guy |
| 00:37.55 | dataw0lf | You're doing a flat, one time service for me. |
| 00:38.02 | macnewbold | how does the headhunter's work or value vary depending on how much the guy makes or works? |
| 00:38.35 | dataw0lf | well a headhunter will usually charge a good 40 or 50 percent over what they're actually paying the employee |
| 00:38.52 | macnewbold | that's insane |
| 00:39.03 | dataw0lf | so a company that's paying 70 bucks an hour is expecting 70/hour work, not 48 or so. |
| 00:39.12 | dataw0lf | yea, it's pretty insane. |
| 00:39.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I've heard of "serious" (meaning working to fill high-level positions in Fortune 500 companies) headhunters making 50% of the employee's yearly wage for landing a qualified candidate. |
| 00:39.35 | dataw0lf | when I first moved to SLC I mistakenly took a headhunter job out of desperation to get working fast. |
| 00:39.43 | dataw0lf | I was getting paid about 20/hour for some PHP work |
| 00:39.58 | dataw0lf | Robert Half was charging 39.50/hour |
| 00:40.14 | Lone_Wanderer | You took a job as a headhunter, or you took a job through a headhunter? |
| 00:40.26 | dataw0lf | through a headhunter |
| 00:40.36 | dataw0lf | Robert Half Technology |
| 00:41.01 | Lone_Wanderer | So you were getting half of what the employer was paying for you |
| 00:41.03 | dataw0lf | And in the contract you basically sell out all your rights to Robert Half, and certain time obligation. |
| 00:41.08 | dataw0lf | yup. |
| 00:41.29 | dataw0lf | I was thinking they were charging 26-27 an hour |
| 00:41.35 | dataw0lf | which was too much, but like I said I needed the job. |
| 00:41.42 | dataw0lf | (it's the job I learned PHP at) |
| 00:41.48 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
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| 01:22.01 | mindjuju | wow, a lot of people commenting on the mail list about agencies v finding your own job |
| 01:24.39 | dataw0lf | probably because a lot of people have been screwed by agencies ;) |
| 01:25.16 | mindjuju | yeah, i find my own work |
| 01:25.22 | dataw0lf | with most experienced developers, a story about agencies will start "so, I was desperate.." |
| 01:26.50 | dataw0lf | but I'm out |
| 01:26.50 | dataw0lf | see you gentlemen tomorrow |
| 01:26.51 | mindjuju | cya dw |
| 01:26.51 | dataw0lf | and I need three people to test my AJAX packet monitoring / manipulation beta, so y'all better be ready. |
| 02:01.25 | mindjuju | i wonder what kind of havoc it would raise if i posted a pdf to mail group that says MS SQL2k5 better than Oracle |
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| 02:35.01 | mindjuju | anybody around? that includes you bigdog_ut or macnewbold |
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| 03:28.09 | herlo | hola Utah_Dave |
| 03:30.43 | mindjuju | sup herlo |
| 03:30.59 | herlo | mindjuju: how's it going? |
| 03:31.35 | mindjuju | not too bad. |
| 03:31.58 | herlo | mindjuju: good to hear. I am looking for Utah_Dave, seen him lately? |
| 03:32.16 | herlo | btw, did you enjoy our recent debate over xml? |
| 03:33.24 | Utah_Dave | sup, herlo |
| 03:33.36 | herlo | Utah_Dave: how's things this evening? |
| 03:33.58 | Utah_Dave | not too bad. I'm copying all my crap from my old laptop to my new laptop. |
| 03:33.59 | Utah_Dave | what a pain |
| 03:34.03 | herlo | fun |
| 03:34.47 | Utah_Dave | I downloaded them and started to look at them, but didn't get too far. |
| 03:35.33 | herlo | k, have time soon? tomorrow, wednesday? |
| 03:35.42 | herlo | If I am bugging you, let me know |
| 03:36.29 | Utah_Dave | I'll look at the code tonight, and then let's work tomorrow night |
| 03:40.14 | herlo | Utah_Dave: k, sounds groovy |
| 03:40.33 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 03:40.38 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I did make some small changes to your code to get it to work with the new db schema |
| 03:40.46 | herlo | you should try out svn diff |
| 03:43.50 | Utah_Dave | ok. |
| 03:46.22 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I was reading about it last night, svn diff is nice, just remember you've got to understand how diff works differently than other diff programs. I'd suggest a quick read of the svn book |
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| 04:06.31 | Utah_Dave | crap |
| 04:06.57 | Utah_Dave | I'm selling a car for my mother-in-law and put a for sale sign in the window in it out on the street |
| 04:07.18 | Utah_Dave | I got my first call about it - Someone smashed in the driver side window |
| 04:08.49 | Utah_Dave | now I gotta go get the stupid thing fixed. |
| 04:25.28 | com4 | yeah... sorry about that |
| 04:25.44 | com4 | it was a double dog dare and in the spirit of the season, i couldn't back down |
| 04:25.50 | com4 | afterall, it is the mother of all dares |
| 04:25.57 | Utah_Dave | com4: I knew it was you!!! |
| 04:26.01 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 04:26.08 | com4 | :) |
| 04:26.12 | com4 | that sucks though |
| 04:26.21 | com4 | did anything get stolen? |
| 04:26.24 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it does suck. |
| 04:26.49 | Utah_Dave | I don't know. I can't even go look at it right now cause my wife is gone and the kids are asleep. |
| 04:27.04 | com4 | ah, that's no good |
| 04:27.12 | mindjuju | somebody broke the window of your car in our neighborhood? |
| 04:27.15 | synic | if you tell me where it is, I'll look. |
| 04:27.27 | synic | ...and I promise not to take anything |
| 04:27.27 | com4 | don't trust synic |
| 04:27.37 | Utah_Dave | it's right by the log cabin on the frontage road |
| 04:27.56 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 04:28.15 | Utah_Dave | it's a mitsubishi diamante. There's nothing in it to steal. Even the radio is just a crappy stock radio |
| 04:28.27 | com4 | synic drives a galant |
| 04:28.30 | com4 | so you never know |
| 04:28.44 | mindjuju | the wife and i drive jeeps |
| 04:29.06 | Utah_Dave | It just sucks because someone got 1 minute of "fun" and now it's going to be hours of time getting it fixed |
| 04:29.09 | com4 | you should run it over, then the mother-in-law doesn't have to worry about selling it... insurance will cover it |
| 04:29.17 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 04:30.16 | Utah_Dave | anybody want to buy a Mitsubishi Diamante with a smashed driver window? It's now coming with a discount!! :) |
| 04:30.18 | Utah_Dave | j/k |
| 04:30.36 | mindjuju | lol - we just actually replaced my hyandai |
| 04:31.04 | Utah_Dave | Oh, well. I should probably call a neighbor to see if they can watch the kids for a bit |
| 04:31.59 | mindjuju | hey utah_dave, you said you have kids... if you had a houseguest who knew for the last couple of weeks they were moving and they decided to start packing and getting their crap together right now, after your children were sleeping, would you -- a) let them pack and let the kids wake up? b) tell them to stop packing and work fast after the kids wake up in the morn |
| 04:32.29 | mindjuju | this had evenings off and all of last weekend including most of friday to get their crap together |
| 04:32.57 | mindjuju | or anybody else who wants to comment for that matter, kids or not |
| 04:33.00 | Utah_Dave | sounds like a good thing they're going! what house guests |
| 04:33.06 | com4 | tell them to bugger off if you think it's gunna wake the kids |
| 04:33.22 | mindjuju | yeah, that's what i'm getting ready to do, just thought i'd take a poll |
| 04:33.33 | synic | give him a swirly. |
| 04:33.40 | synic | it always solves everything. |
| 04:33.49 | Utah_Dave | my kids wouldn't wake up. We can run the vacuum and they don't get up, but if they would wake up, I'd be very ticked. |
| 04:34.00 | mindjuju | not a bad idea about the swirly |
| 04:34.22 | com4 | Utah_Dave: you're not suposed to give kids alchohol... haven't you seen the commericals? |
| 04:34.34 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 04:34.38 | mindjuju | well, a little benadryl never hurt anybody! |
| 04:34.38 | com4 | "passing out" is hardly sleeping |
| 04:34.43 | Utah_Dave | I've heard Nyquil does wonders |
| 04:35.02 | synic | nyquil does wonders to clear your sinuses out. That's about it. |
| 04:35.09 | synic | :P |
| 04:35.41 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: are you at work right now? |
| 04:35.53 | mindjuju | i am, sadly |
| 04:36.24 | mindjuju | ugh, i was going to say i could drive by the car on my way home |
| 04:36.28 | mindjuju | but that's going to be way late |
| 04:37.11 | Utah_Dave | yeah, that's what I figured. I was going to ask you, but then I remembered that you live in your dark Bat Cave office working in the pale light of a fish tank |
| 04:37.34 | mindjuju | that's describes it perfectly! next php meet we got, you've got to check out my office |
| 04:38.25 | Utah_Dave | I should have asked you at the last one! but I was so tired at the end that I wasn't thinking straight |
| 04:38.46 | Utah_Dave | that's ok, mindjuju. I'm going next door to get a neighbor. I'll be fine. |
| 04:38.59 | mindjuju | k, let me know if that doesn't work |
| 04:39.06 | Utah_Dave | I was just feeling lazy and not wanting to move my butt |
| 04:39.20 | Utah_Dave | I'll do that. Thanks, bro |
| 04:39.28 | mindjuju | fo sho! |
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| 07:26.22 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
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| 13:59.49 | timinator | morning guys |
| 14:07.16 | drip | good morning timinator |
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| 16:04.17 | timinator | waddup bigdog_ut |
| 16:04.35 | bigdog_ut | just another day in paradise |
| 16:04.56 | timinator | serves ya right |
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| 16:07.27 | drip | bigdog_ut: I have some news for you |
| 16:07.37 | drip | but I'll have to talk to you later on the phone about it. |
| 16:07.38 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 16:07.43 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 16:07.50 | Utah_Dave | timinator: did Eliott get ahold of you? |
| 16:08.12 | timinator | he tried.... I was making coooffffeeeeeeeeee |
| 16:08.29 | timinator | I sent a PM |
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| 16:42.35 | dataw0lf | JavaScript code is fascinating |
| 16:42.44 | jsmith | At times... why? |
| 16:43.02 | bigdog_ut | the bigdog_ut is fascinating |
| 16:43.52 | dataw0lf | jsmith: Just how a fairly good language it is |
| 16:44.10 | dataw0lf | I like instance based OOP for a web client side scripting language, for example. Makes perfect sense. |
| 16:44.14 | jsmith | Yes, it's fairly good, despite the lack of respect it gets. If it weren't for AJAX, we'd all hate it. |
| 16:44.26 | dataw0lf | the ability to perform functional programming |
| 16:44.44 | dataw0lf | I realized how underestimated it is recently. |
| 16:44.53 | dataw0lf | after making fun of it for years |
| 16:45.24 | dataw0lf | I'm guilty of assumptions unfortunately. |
| 16:46.04 | dataw0lf | http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/440637 |
| 16:46.08 | dataw0lf | this is interesting |
| 16:46.50 | dataw0lf | the JavaScript code reflects the Pythonic lean of the author, which is cool. It's kinda verbose though |
| 16:49.46 | dataw0lf | now here's a question regarding AJAX to a degree. Currently I'm running a python cgi script which forks a process that collects packets based upon POST data and within various safety limits, which is logged to a separate JSON file which is read with a XML< |
| 16:50.00 | dataw0lf | Http request which is invoked at specified intervals |
| 16:50.08 | dataw0lf | there has to be a better way to do this |
| 16:50.52 | dataw0lf | should I implement some type of server proxy? |
| 16:51.44 | dataw0lf | <upon XHR request flush buffer to request> ? |
| 16:52.23 | jsmith | I dunno... depends on your architecture... |
| 16:53.38 | dataw0lf | it's fairly simple right now. I just have a JavaScript Pythonic JSON parser, that takes the logged packet information and displays it after the POST is sent to the CGI script |
| 16:54.20 | dataw0lf | <after clicking a button with a form of your filters and options> |
| 16:55.04 | dataw0lf | just simple object operations, really |
| 16:56.32 | dataw0lf | it's potential for asynced connections that just doesn't sit well with me, even though I handle it in the code. |
| 17:02.38 | dataw0lf | somebody really doesn't like easyDNS |
| 17:03.11 | jsmith-lunch | easyDNS, or everydns? |
| 17:06.57 | dataw0lf | easyDNS |
| 17:08.06 | dataw0lf | I heard they had a bunch of open DNS servers this summer |
| 17:08.13 | dataw0lf | can't find anything on it |
| 17:08.23 | dataw0lf | though it looks like they're getting DDOSed every couple weeks |
| 17:23.26 | bigdog_ut | drip, when you calling me? |
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| 17:42.25 | dataw0lf | anyone know of a better UML provider than Linode? |
| 17:43.08 | timinator | you don't like Linode? |
| 17:45.16 | com4 | zzq |
| 17:46.11 | com4 | 10:46:05 up 363 days, 6:25, 1 user, load average: 0.55, 0.44, 0.41 |
| 17:47.32 | mindjuju | sup everybody |
| 17:48.05 | _psychic_ | hi mindjuju |
| 17:48.15 | timinator | sup mindjuju |
| 17:57.36 | drip | bigdog_ut: after my presentation I have at 1:00 I'll call you. Gotta look good for the new CIO. |
| 17:57.40 | drip | finishing up preparations. |
| 17:57.50 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:57.56 | drip | he he |
| 18:01.18 | dataw0lf | hey com4 |
| 18:01.32 | dataw0lf | wake up |
| 18:01.49 | bigdog_ut | ~pimpslap dataw0lf |
| 18:01.51 | jbot | bigdog_ut pimpslaps dataw0lf. ouch! |
| 18:04.03 | mindjuju | hey bigdog_ut, what's your feeling on a temp table that stores the results of computations for faster retrieval. say you've got your tables, and they are sitting happy at form 3. say that you have some crazy computations that you've got to perform that don't necessarily have to be realtime, but could be computed in an off time to minimize impact on the sql server |
| 18:04.30 | mindjuju | not necessarily form 3 anymore cause you have this duplicate data... |
| 18:05.21 | dataw0lf | http://minutillo.com/steve/weblog/images/tiger-uppercut.gif like that foo' |
| 18:05.36 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I have a case where I do that. Trying to be completely normal slowed the database down so much it was unusable, and we were introducing bugs because the sql to get the data we needed was really complex |
| 18:06.16 | Utah_Dave | we're pretty good with sql, but the queries were just getting so huge, it was disgusting to look at |
| 18:06.17 | mindjuju | yup, that's what i got too |
| 18:06.26 | mindjuju | yup, exactly |
| 18:06.27 | dataw0lf | seria-li-zat-shun |
| 18:06.51 | fungus | $ ssh catbert uptime |
| 18:06.51 | fungus | 11:06AM up 1285 days, 9:26, 0 users, load averages: 0.80, 0.78, 0.68 |
| 18:07.35 | Utah_Dave | wow, catbert must be a Windows Sever 2003 box, huh? |
| 18:07.38 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 18:07.49 | fungus | lol, nope. FreeBSD |
| 18:08.09 | mindjuju | yeah, mines been up that long |
| 18:08.15 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.18 | mindjuju | oh wait, thats 1285 days, not seconds |
| 18:08.30 | dataw0lf | 12:07:41 up 5 days, 17:24, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 2.06, 2.92 |
| 18:08.35 | dataw0lf | beat THAT! |
| 18:08.53 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: just the other day we cut a query down from around 4 seconds to about a 1/3 or so by moving some of the brains into PHP and out of the SQL statement |
| 18:09.06 | mindjuju | utah_dave, what's the story on your car? |
| 18:09.15 | Utah_Dave | maybe we need to do some mysql tweaks |
| 18:09.17 | mindjuju | out of the sql? what dbms you use? |
| 18:09.28 | Utah_Dave | mysql |
| 18:10.02 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I'm about to go pick it up and bring it home. I wasn't able to go get it last night |
| 18:10.34 | Utah_Dave | a cop called me this morning about it and he did a police report for it over the phone |
| 18:10.45 | dataw0lf | what happened to your car? |
| 18:10.56 | Utah_Dave | I think I'm just going to drop the price $500 bucks and sell it as is. I don't want to mess with it |
| 18:11.14 | Utah_Dave | I put a car up for sale and sum idiot busted in the driver side window |
| 18:11.21 | Utah_Dave | s/sum/some |
| 18:11.47 | Utah_Dave | there was literally nothing to steal. Even the radio was a piece of crap and the officer said it was still in there |
| 18:11.57 | mindjuju | that's too funny |
| 18:12.07 | Utah_Dave | probably just some punk kid getting his jollies |
| 18:12.25 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: So where were you yesterday evening around 9:15 pm? Hmmm? |
| 18:12.30 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 18:14.02 | dataw0lf | Ummmm... uhhh... at home... asleep.. |
| 18:14.06 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 18:14.07 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 18:14.22 | dataw0lf | the least you could've done was leave a decent stereo |
| 18:14.22 | Utah_Dave | do you have any witnesses to corroborate your "story" |
| 18:14.35 | dataw0lf | No, I was, uh, alone. |
| 18:14.40 | Utah_Dave | well, it was my mother-in-law's car |
| 18:14.57 | dataw0lf | figures. |
| 18:14.59 | Utah_Dave | my father-in-law just bought her this really sweet new acura suv |
| 18:15.04 | dataw0lf | what year? |
| 18:15.11 | Utah_Dave | the acura? |
| 18:15.19 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 18:15.20 | Utah_Dave | brand new, just off the lot |
| 18:15.22 | dataw0lf | Nice |
| 18:15.35 | dataw0lf | I'm digging the Passat GLS |
| 18:15.47 | Utah_Dave | it really is amazing. bluetooth hooks up to your phone, the whole GPS "Turn Left here" in a sexy voice |
| 18:15.52 | dataw0lf | going down curvy mountain roads is fun |
| 18:16.21 | Utah_Dave | anyway, my mother-in-law called and asked if I wanted to buy her '96 Diamante for $600 |
| 18:16.22 | dataw0lf | yea, my parents got a brand new Volvo, it's got all them features. It kinda creeps me out |
| 18:16.48 | Utah_Dave | kbb.com says it's worth $3,300 if it's in crappy condition |
| 18:16.49 | mindjuju | wait, selling for $600 |
| 18:16.54 | dataw0lf | Nice |
| 18:17.07 | Utah_Dave | no, I was selling it for $2,900. |
| 18:17.27 | mindjuju | coolio, they threw you guys some $$$ |
| 18:17.28 | Utah_Dave | but now I'm going to drop it to $2300 or $2400 |
| 18:17.29 | mindjuju | that was nice of them |
| 18:17.52 | Utah_Dave | a guy called saying he has a friend who will buy for that much as-is |
| 18:18.12 | Utah_Dave | I don't want to deal with replacing the stupid window. I don't have the time |
| 18:19.39 | mindjuju | that's way cool! |
| 18:21.44 | timinator | I need to sell one or both of my cars in the next few months |
| 18:22.11 | timinator | 3rd baby on the way, and we need to jump to a larger vehicle |
| 18:22.20 | timinator | if anyone's looking |
| 18:24.10 | mindjuju | what kind of cars, out of curiosity? |
| 18:25.26 | timinator | '96 2 door V6 Grand Am; and '02 4 door hatchback V4 Kia Spectra |
| 18:27.41 | dataw0lf | timinator: congratulations on the baby. |
| 18:27.49 | timinator | TY |
| 18:27.56 | timinator | IT'S A BOY!!!!! |
| 18:28.08 | timinator | after 2 girls |
| 18:28.21 | dataw0lf | nice. |
| 18:30.54 | Utah_Dave | congrats! |
| 18:31.27 | timinator | thanks |
| 18:32.34 | dataw0lf | mmm cigar |
| 18:33.34 | dataw0lf | thanks a bunch |
| 18:33.37 | timinator | np |
| 18:33.55 | Lone_Wanderer | What is the practical difference between smoking a cigar and a cigarette? |
| 18:34.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Also why is my javascript not working in IE? :( |
| 18:34.37 | timinator | your second question is one of the great mysteries of the universe |
| 18:34.49 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: more cancer in a cigar, and you smoke it differently usually - cigars you puff with the mouth, I hear, but cigarettes are inhaled more |
| 18:34.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it's 'cause IE is expecting an XML response. |
| 18:37.41 | dataw0lf | Or perhaps you're instantiating the wrong object for XHR in IE? |
| 18:38.02 | Utah_Dave | I think IE switched from cigars to a crack pipe |
| 18:39.35 | Lone_Wanderer | ~pastebin |
| 18:39.36 | jbot | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 18:39.37 | timinator | :) |
| 18:40.55 | Lone_Wanderer | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4717 |
| 18:40.59 | Lone_Wanderer | That's how I'm instantiating it. |
| 18:41.19 | Lone_Wanderer | afaik it covers all bases |
| 18:41.54 | dataw0lf | What's your error log say? |
| 18:42.00 | Lone_Wanderer | error log on the server? |
| 18:42.03 | dataw0lf | on Firefox |
| 18:42.05 | dataw0lf | the javascript console |
| 18:42.08 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, Firefox works fine |
| 18:42.17 | dataw0lf | err, oh yea |
| 18:42.23 | dataw0lf | does IE have a JavaScript console? |
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| 18:42.31 | Lone_Wanderer | no =\ I wish |
| 18:42.35 | Lone_Wanderer | not that I know of anyway |
| 18:43.50 | dataw0lf | Tools->Internet Options…->Advanced->Disable Script Debugging |
| 18:43.55 | Lone_Wanderer | found it |
| 18:44.06 | dataw0lf | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2f465be0-94fd-4569-b3c4-dffdf19ccd99&displaylang=en |
| 18:45.08 | dataw0lf | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2004/10/26/247912.aspx half of the comments on that post are basically doing just that. chanting IE sucks |
| 18:45.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Except that the Script Debugger is not showing up under View. |
| 18:47.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh great, I have to install "Windows Genuine Advantage" to use it. |
| 18:49.27 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 18:49.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I love how everything is named so innocuously. |
| 18:51.00 | Lone_Wanderer | It's like bills going through Congress. |
| 18:51.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Got it. IE is complaining about this: makeRequest('../ajax/getLines.php?loc=' + this.value, displayLines) |
| 18:52.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ...and now it's locking everything up. |
| 18:53.13 | dataw0lf | post the makeRequest function code to a pastebin, plz. |
| 18:53.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Makes me think it'd be worth it to just learn to use a pre-written ajax library. |
| 18:53.47 | dataw0lf | Nah. You'll understand the barebones this way :) |
| 18:53.53 | Lone_Wanderer | good point |
| 18:54.03 | dataw0lf | it takes a little while to learn, but you get the hang of it fairly quickly. |
| 18:54.13 | Lone_Wanderer | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4719 |
| 18:54.50 | dataw0lf | is it throwing exceptions? |
| 18:55.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't believe so. |
| 18:55.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Lemme fire up IE again and see if it'll behave this time. |
| 18:55.26 | macnewbold | ~throw something |
| 18:55.34 | macnewbold | ~throw up |
| 18:55.36 | jbot | ACTION throws up over top of macnewbold |
| 18:55.43 | herlo | ~puke macnewbold |
| 18:55.50 | macnewbold | ~bonk herlo |
| 18:55.51 | jbot | ACTION bonks herlo over the head |
| 18:55.55 | dataw0lf | how about your readyState, what's that at when it dies in the function? |
| 18:55.56 | herlo | ~slap macnewbold |
| 18:55.57 | jbot | ACTION slaps macnewbold, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:56.02 | macnewbold | ~whack herlo |
| 18:56.03 | jbot | ACTION whacks herlo upside the head. |
| 18:56.09 | herlo | ~doublewhack macnewbold |
| 18:56.13 | herlo | ~lart macnewbold |
| 18:56.15 | dataw0lf | add readyState checking in there |
| 18:56.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Just alert it out? |
| 18:56.45 | dataw0lf | herlo / macnewbold: listen kids, if you don't calm this down right now, I'll turn this car around and go home. |
| 18:57.11 | herlo | ~monkey dataw0lf |
| 18:57.12 | jbot | ACTION flings poo at dataw0lf |
| 18:57.33 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Does your func() function contain readyState checking? |
| 18:57.48 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 18:58.10 | dataw0lf | my guess is it's throwing some exceptions with your XHR instantiation then |
| 18:59.57 | macnewbold | ~throw an exception |
| 19:03.09 | mindjuju | ~timattack macnewbold |
| 19:03.10 | jbot | ACTION grabs an axe and starts to chase macnewbold! |
| 19:03.23 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:03.29 | timinator | I love it |
| 19:03.59 | mindjuju | yeah, we should change it up every now and again to keep it fresh |
| 19:04.06 | mindjuju | not like that ~dwhit |
| 19:04.10 | mindjuju | ~dwhit dataw0lf |
| 19:04.11 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at dataw0lf's pain |
| 19:05.32 | dataw0lf | you can't use my own hits against me. |
| 19:05.57 | mindjuju | yeah, true that... my bad |
| 19:06.00 | mindjuju | ~bdhit dataw0lf |
| 19:06.02 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at dataw0lf's pain |
| 19:06.26 | mindjuju | ~bdhit macnewbold |
| 19:06.28 | jbot | ACTION gives macnewbold the Priest Flip of the Blessed Foulness |
| 19:06.47 | mindjuju | ~bdhit macnewbold |
| 19:06.49 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at macnewbold's pain |
| 19:07.12 | mindjuju | ~bdhit macnewbold |
| 19:07.17 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at macnewbold's pain |
| 19:07.17 | dataw0lf | ~dwhit mindjuju |
| 19:07.18 | jbot | ACTION gives mindjuju the Priest Flip of the Blessed Foulness |
| 19:07.19 | mindjuju | i'm goign to have to pull those and fix them |
| 19:07.25 | dataw0lf | yea, you do. |
| 19:07.26 | mindjuju | ~macattack dataw0lf |
| 19:07.28 | jbot | ACTION uses jumper cables to stun dataw0lf! |
| 19:07.54 | mindjuju | figured you prolly enjoy that |
| 19:07.58 | dataw0lf | those aren't battery posts, big guy |
| 19:09.29 | dataw0lf | the marines?? |
| 19:09.35 | dataw0lf | why would I call a bunch of jarheads |
| 19:09.53 | mindjuju | oh! whoops, right, rangers are army |
| 19:09.56 | mindjuju | my bad! |
| 19:10.09 | mindjuju | k, that was a huge faux pas, i admit it |
| 19:11.33 | mindjuju | espeically charging handles that are near a rear |
| 19:13.37 | Agent_Smith | Morpheus... |
| 19:13.46 | Agent_Smith | what's an M67? |
| 19:13.58 | timinator | who cares -- DUCK |
| 19:14.21 | _psychic_ | http://armor.kiev.ua/army/hist/m67.gif |
| 19:15.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Why do you have to cook a grenade? |
| 19:15.57 | dataw0lf | cooking a grenade is pull the pin from the spoon but holding the spoon against the grenade itself, thus, when you throw it, the fuse is activated once the spoon spins away |
| 19:16.02 | dataw0lf | s/is/is to |
| 19:16.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Isn't that what you always do with a grenade? |
| 19:16.47 | dataw0lf | well, yes, unless you have it in a trap or something. |
| 19:17.15 | Lone_Wanderer | how long is the fuse on most grenades? 5 seconds? |
| 19:17.22 | dataw0lf | 3 to 5 |
| 19:17.42 | _psychic_ | you cook it so the enemy can't throw it back |
| 19:17.48 | mindjuju | yeah, don't you remember... |
| 19:17.58 | mindjuju | 1, 2, 5 {no 3 sir!} |
| 19:18.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone ever let the spoon go, count to two, and then throw it? |
| 19:18.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Or is that just in the movies? |
| 19:18.20 | mindjuju | prolly throw it sooner if you need it to go farther |
| 19:19.05 | Lone_Wanderer | car fixing time |
| 19:19.12 | dataw0lf | I don't really remember ever counting |
| 19:19.18 | dataw0lf | your mind is preoccupied |
| 19:19.57 | mindjuju | no doubt |
| 19:20.15 | dataw0lf | for example, you're throwing something that creates the effect of a violent earthquake within 60 meters at least |
| 19:20.34 | dataw0lf | it's not like a little boom or anything, grenades really shake the earth |
| 19:20.54 | mindjuju | so, dw, have you ever seen c4? |
| 19:21.46 | mindjuju | always wondered if it is as explosive as it is in Die Hard, prolly not, but i've heard it packs a wallop |
| 19:22.15 | dataw0lf | yea, I've seen C-4 |
| 19:22.42 | dataw0lf | I mean, it's explosive. |
| 19:23.16 | dataw0lf | I dunno, once you reach a certain amount of explosiveness it gets pretty impressive any way |
| 19:23.25 | dataw0lf | I haven't seen really large amounts of c4 used, however. |
| 19:24.05 | dataw0lf | Semtex is pretty nice, too. |
| 19:27.25 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, what was your question? |
| 19:28.41 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I have a buddy who is an Apache pilot in the Utah Army National Guard |
| 19:29.44 | mindjuju | just if you'd seen c4, or played with it |
| 19:29.52 | Utah_Dave | Every year they get to do target practice with sidewinder missiles and stuff. I had an old beater car I couldn't sell and he got authorization from everyone to use it for the target practicde |
| 19:29.55 | Utah_Dave | practice |
| 19:30.06 | dataw0lf | Apaches are pretty cool except for they crash quite a bit |
| 19:30.15 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, did you have a database question? |
| 19:30.15 | Utah_Dave | he was going to get me a recording of it. |
| 19:30.25 | dataw0lf | Apaches can do some damage, that's for sure. |
| 19:30.39 | mindjuju | it was about doing nightly computation into a temp table |
| 19:30.50 | mindjuju | it's not form3 since there are dups, but was wondering if you did it |
| 19:31.04 | Utah_Dave | but the range control guys nixed it because they have to take out all the glass and fluids from the vehicle because of environmental code. too much work for them |
| 19:31.09 | Utah_Dave | it would have been cool |
| 19:31.25 | dataw0lf | yea, field exercises always get the cool nixed from them because of environmental laws. |
| 19:53.13 | Utah_Dave | man, this would be nice |
| 19:53.13 | Utah_Dave | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16040492/ |
| 20:03.20 | mindjuju | thx utah_dave, this is ammo in my box |
| 20:03.44 | mindjuju | i've got something similar, but not quite as flexible as this for my padawaans and it was causing a little disruption |
| 20:04.04 | mindjuju | my saving grace... production. we out perform everybody so nobody can say anything |
| 20:05.42 | Utah_Dave | yeah, my boss is pretty flexible with scheduling, but i still work for the state and they watch you every minutes |
| 20:05.46 | Utah_Dave | minute |
| 20:06.46 | macnewbold | that's no way to run a business |
| 20:07.06 | mindjuju | to micromanage or to be flexible? |
| 20:10.54 | macnewbold | to micromanage |
| 20:11.20 | macnewbold | it wastes time all over and almost always doesn't even monitor the right indicators |
| 20:11.34 | Utah_Dave | yep |
| 20:11.57 | Utah_Dave | One of the apps I wrote at work is a time clock. |
| 20:12.08 | Utah_Dave | people check in, check out, go to lunch, etc |
| 20:12.55 | Utah_Dave | I removed the display of the seconds on the timestamps to make it look better and literaly 20 seconds later I had a Major and 2 Lieutenants calling me. They were freaking out |
| 20:13.08 | Utah_Dave | "How will I be able to know if they were late!!!!" |
| 20:13.23 | Utah_Dave | Luckily I'm civilian and I could tell them to get a life |
| 20:14.33 | wps | advice to those that solicit designers: |
| 20:14.48 | wps | don't contact them and ask, "I have a new project… are you interested?" |
| 20:14.57 | wps | how are we supposed to answer that? |
| 20:15.19 | wps | include a description please |
| 20:15.34 | wps | it's funny… I have had several people contact me recently with requests like that |
| 20:15.54 | wps | :) |
| 20:16.38 | Utah_Dave | hey, wps. I have a thing to be designed like this other thing that should work with these other two things. Does that sound like something fun you'd like to work on? |
| 20:16.38 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 20:16.50 | wps | for sho |
| 20:16.54 | wps | dude |
| 20:17.10 | wps | s/sho/sure/ |
| 20:18.47 | wps | that was good Utah_Dave |
| 20:31.50 | mindjuju | the other thing that i've found to be crazy effective with the padawans is to give them study time for work related tech |
| 20:32.06 | mindjuju | 3 hours standard, i'll bump to 5 if they are on to something |
| 20:32.10 | mindjuju | a week |
| 20:32.34 | mindjuju | got the idea from google, it boosts morale and i get better stuff back |
| 20:48.57 | timinator | speaking of non-conventional thinking..... has everyone heard of "The Secret" .... thesecret.tv |
| 20:49.50 | mindjuju | haven't, but looking at it now |
| 20:50.04 | mindjuju | it has a davinci code feel to it |
| 20:50.12 | timinator | just in the graphics |
| 20:50.28 | timinator | but the message is solid |
| 20:50.54 | timinator | I've studied it in various forms for years |
| 20:51.54 | timinator | has anyone heard of the Master Key System? |
| 20:52.46 | timinator | that's one of the main sources I've seen, other than the Bible. |
| 20:52.58 | timinator | but it has a different perspective than the Bible |
| 20:53.13 | timinator | similar to the difference between a self help book and the Bible |
| 20:53.37 | timinator | except this is the info that the self help books stem from |
| 20:53.51 | timinator | it's cool stuff |
| 20:54.42 | mindjuju | i'll have to check it out |
| 20:57.18 | wps | I watched the trailer and don't get it |
| 20:57.21 | wps | what is the story? |
| 20:58.46 | timinator | to use a catch phrase, it's a "paradigm shift" from conventional thinking |
| 20:59.11 | timinator | so it's hard to sum up in one sentence |
| 20:59.24 | wps | okay |
| 20:59.29 | wps | I don't think that the trailer is very good |
| 20:59.36 | wps | didn't give enough for me to be interested |
| 20:59.47 | wps | all it said is that there is this thing! |
| 20:59.59 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:00.01 | timinator | ya |
| 21:02.10 | timinator | to oversimplify: |
| 21:02.45 | timinator | We are all made out of the same stuff, all built from atoms and energy |
| 21:03.20 | timinator | Such as the law of gravity, there is a law of attraction: magnetism |
| 21:03.47 | timinator | all elements interact with each other in a magnetic manner |
| 21:04.14 | timinator | so.... you bring things into your life that you purpose to bring into your life |
| 21:04.36 | timinator | that's way oversimplified |
| 21:06.00 | timinator | but that stems into phrases like, Attitude is everything |
| 21:06.00 | timinator | and spending quiet time on your goals |
| 21:08.17 | dataw0lf | panda express? |
| 21:08.20 | dataw0lf | more like sucks express. |
| 21:09.27 | mindjuju | dataw0lf must have typed into the wrong window |
| 21:10.11 | Lone_Wanderer | What, you don't like munching on endangered species meat? |
| 21:10.43 | mindjuju | yeah, lone_wanderer, once it's roadkill, it's offically off endangered species list and is ok to eat |
| 21:11.02 | Lone_Wanderer | So if I go driving around China in a hummer, running down pandas |
| 21:11.08 | Lone_Wanderer | when I run over one, it's all legal? |
| 21:11.19 | mindjuju | to eat? yup |
| 21:11.32 | mindjuju | try to do it near hunan. the spicer food comes from there |
| 21:11.48 | mindjuju | so it'll prolly be like spicy panda with tofu and rice |
| 21:12.22 | Lone_Wanderer | My friend once was telling me about the time he shot a loon |
| 21:12.31 | Lone_Wanderer | (the bird, it's a protected species in Minnesota) |
| 21:13.35 | Lone_Wanderer | he didn't really intend on hitting it, it was just flying by at about 1.5x the effective range of his gun |
| 21:13.46 | mindjuju | is that the bird that crashes into water? |
| 21:13.48 | Lone_Wanderer | and loons are pretty fast anyway, so they're hard to hit |
| 21:13.52 | Lone_Wanderer | no that's a kingfisher |
| 21:14.14 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/birds/images/mn_common_loon5.jpg |
| 21:14.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, so he took this pot shot, and hit it of course (or there'd be no story) and you can't just shoot something and not eat it |
| 21:14.52 | Lone_Wanderer | so he brings it home, cooks it up, and has it for dinner. I guess it had a really odd flavor. |
| 21:15.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Just the strangest taste |
| 21:15.37 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 21:15.42 | Lone_Wanderer | something between a whooping crane and a bald eagle |
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| 21:49.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, this is just weird. |
| 21:50.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I wrapped a few more things in a try, alerting out errors in the event of an exception |
| 21:50.27 | Lone_Wanderer | and now it's working in IE |
| 21:50.31 | Lone_Wanderer | didn't change any working code |
| 21:53.26 | mindjuju | just an FYI on IE caching. and you probably already know this, but if you test out code you know should work, close the browser and reload the page in a fresh IE window |
| 21:53.55 | mindjuju | IE doesn't seem to release everythign, even after you clear the cache and i've found closing the browser when things should work usually fixes it |
| 21:54.14 | mindjuju | where some old code is still present on soem level in the browser that doesn't allow it to reflect the new code changes |
| 21:56.30 | Lone_Wanderer | that's such crap |
| 21:56.32 | Lone_Wanderer | oh well |
| 21:58.12 | bradym | yes, IE is crap... ;) |
| 21:58.42 | mindjuju | yeah, was wondering if you meant IE or somafm |
| 21:59.03 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, no, I love that station :) |
| 21:59.17 | Lone_Wanderer | arrrgh |
| 21:59.22 | Lone_Wanderer | now it's breaking again |
| 21:59.35 | Lone_Wanderer | on the exact same code, albeit with different parameters |
| 22:00.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay screw it, I've got e911 fees to fix. |
| 22:04.53 | jsmith | Good ol' E911 |
| 22:08.43 | dataw0lf | dang, only stderr.tv and stderr.ws are open |
| 22:09.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah they wanted me to write the code that did the actual e911 management |
| 22:09.08 | Lone_Wanderer | keeping track of their location and stuff. I declined. |
| 22:11.57 | jsmith | You dodged a bullet there, my friend. |
| 22:15.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Why, have you worked with e911 before? |
| 22:16.12 | Utah_Dave | ~smacks Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:16.21 | jsmith | If I admit to it, then you'll hate me forever. If I say no, I'd be lying... |
| 22:16.41 | Utah_Dave | ~dbhit Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:16.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know anything about e911 except what it does and that we're supposed to bill most of our customer $1.99 a month for it. |
| 22:16.50 | jsmith | Lucky you! |
| 22:16.52 | Lone_Wanderer | customers* |
| 22:17.01 | jsmith | Doing it yourself, or going through an e911 broker? |
| 22:17.02 | Utah_Dave | dude, Lone_Wanderer jsmith is the GOD of voip |
| 22:17.03 | Lone_Wanderer | It's the few that we don't bill for it that are causing me headaches. |
| 22:17.13 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 22:17.20 | drip | hooray for external apps killing your demo |
| 22:17.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know which we're doing. |
| 22:18.20 | Lone_Wanderer | you're not looking for a job, are you jsmith? |
| 22:19.10 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause we need another developer |
| 22:19.14 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: jsmith wrote THE book on asterisk |
| 22:19.19 | Utah_Dave | really, he did |
| 22:19.21 | Lone_Wanderer | THE book, eh? |
| 22:19.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I might have actually read that book |
| 22:19.36 | Utah_Dave | seriously. I have a signed copy |
| 22:19.43 | Lone_Wanderer | awesome |
| 22:19.59 | Utah_Dave | sorry jsmith. hope I didn't embarrass you. |
| 22:21.49 | jsmith | No, not a problem |
| 22:22.35 | Lone_Wanderer | What's json? |
| 22:22.38 | synic | man, I want to do something where people want me to sign stuff for it. |
| 22:22.46 | Lone_Wanderer | So write a book. |
| 22:22.49 | Utah_Dave | geez, reading back a few lines, I sound like my sister-in-law talking about her latest crush |
| 22:23.07 | jsmith | I ain't all that and a bag of chips |
| 22:23.11 | synic | nah, I'd rather make a really sweet app. |
| 22:23.15 | jsmith | I just wrote a book, that's all. |
| 22:23.21 | synic | then sign a book that someone else writes about it. |
| 22:23.21 | jsmith | synic: So would I! |
| 22:23.49 | unum | sorry about the cross posting |
| 22:23.57 | unum | I should have atleast altered the text... |
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| 22:26.40 | dataw0lf | anyone use phpmyadmin? |
| 22:26.45 | unum | ya |
| 22:26.55 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Why, when phppgadmin works so much better ;-) |
| 22:27.07 | synic | occassionally |
| 22:28.14 | dataw0lf | how do you import a field from a CSV that's a SET so that if you have rows like (id/some_set) : 1,Blah1 \n 1,Blah2 You would bitmask each of the set values (Blah1, Blah2) for the id (1) ? |
| 22:28.33 | dataw0lf | jsmith: Oh, but that's a bigger issue. Postgres just rocks |
| 22:29.49 | xilch|w | I'd write a script, because I'm not smart enough to actually reuse someone else's work |
| 22:30.29 | dataw0lf | I have alot to do, so I'm hesistant to spend the 15-20 minutes to do it if I can be working one something else. |
| 22:30.35 | dataw0lf | s/one/on |
| 22:30.51 | dataw0lf | YES I MISSPELL ALOT ALOT |
| 22:31.41 | jsmith | sory, u mipsspeled misspled alott |
| 22:31.58 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:32.21 | dataw0lf | anyone ever used Rimu Hosting, by the way? |
| 22:33.55 | dataw0lf | oh well, might as well write this script. I think I'm going to need to add set values if they don't exist in the schema too. |
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| 22:55.10 | dataw0lf | is there any way to grab the locally defined constants in the current namespace in PHP? |
| 22:56.03 | Lone_Wanderer | jsmith: okay, can I pick your VoIP brain for a bit? |
| 22:57.29 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: maybe using reflection |
| 22:58.15 | _psychic_ | http://us3.php.net/language.oop5.reflection |
| 23:00.21 | Lone_Wanderer | To the tune of $625.77 |
| 23:00.25 | dataw0lf | I don't think the standard reflection classes have the capability of looking through the whole namespace |
| 23:01.34 | Lone_Wanderer | For towing, spark plugs, oil change, fuel pump, and labor. |
| 23:03.26 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Sure... |
| 23:03.35 | Lone_Wanderer | gotta talk to the boss |
| 23:03.36 | Lone_Wanderer | brb |
| 23:06.13 | dataw0lf | what is it? |
| 23:07.46 | Lone_Wanderer | The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly |
| 23:08.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway. I'm trying to figure out how to store all this in our DB. |
| 23:09.10 | Lone_Wanderer | And I'm thinking of making a 'lines' table that holds foreign keys for their calling plan, their did, their location, etc. |
| 23:09.11 | Lone_Wanderer | (each customer can have multiple locations, each of which has it's own address, etc.) |
| 23:09.45 | Lone_Wanderer | But since, in the VoIP world, there is no actual "line" I'm wondering if it makes sense to have a table for them. |
| 23:11.30 | jsmith | Man, we went through this same thing |
| 23:12.05 | jsmith | There are a *lot* of tricky questions ... such as "Can a DID correspond to more than one location?" |
| 23:12.21 | Lone_Wanderer | well yeah, if they pick up their phone and move it |
| 23:12.38 | Lone_Wanderer | but I don't think we need to keep track of that |
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| 23:15.00 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: In the end, we built something similar to a "lines" table |
| 23:15.14 | jsmith | I know that doesn't really answer your question, but we made it work for us |
| 23:15.15 | Lone_Wanderer | k cool |
| 23:15.26 | Lone_Wanderer | well, I just want to make sure it's not an obviously retarded thing to do |
| 23:16.46 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 23:17.08 | dataw0lf | added a default policy of DROP to the INPUT chain on my VPS (sshed in) before allowing ssh access |
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| 23:26.10 | dataw0lf | there we go |
| 23:26.51 | dataw0lf | are my RDNS/PTR entries looking good to you? |
| 23:27.00 | dataw0lf | (am I coming from stderr.ws) |
| 23:27.20 | timinator | hey guys |
| 23:27.20 | jsmith | Yes |
| 23:27.21 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: dataw0lf [n=stderr@stderr.ws] entered the room. |
| 23:27.28 | timinator | is everydns.net down again???? |
| 23:27.36 | jsmith | timinator: I sure hope not... |
| 23:27.38 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave / jsmith: danke |
| 23:27.45 | timinator | are they getting another attack? |
| 23:27.50 | jsmith | Looks like it. |
| 23:28.28 | jsmith | Their website is slow to come up --- DNS resolution is taking a long time, but still getting through |
| 23:28.35 | jsmith | But it looks like they might be under attack again. |
| 23:28.42 | olds | website comes up pretty quick for me |
| 23:28.55 | synic | my domains are slow. |
| 23:29.04 | jsmith | As are mine. |
| 23:29.04 | synic | (to resolve) |
| 23:29.09 | timinator | my sites are down and everydns is down for me |
| 23:29.34 | jsmith | Yes, DNS resolution against ns3.everydns.net is not responding |
| 23:29.57 | synic | lame. |
| 23:30.47 | dataw0lf | seriously, dude, why the hell do people DDOS DNS servers? Honestly? |
| 23:30.56 | timinator | I dunno |
| 23:30.56 | dataw0lf | that's ridiculous |
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| 23:31.09 | dataw0lf | there's nothing to gain from it whatsoever |
| 23:31.09 | olds | because you're 14 and have nothing better to do |
| 23:31.40 | synic | because you hate some domain that's using those servers |
| 23:31.48 | synic | ... and you're 14. |
| 23:31.53 | synic | and you smell bad. |
| 23:31.58 | dataw0lf | yup. there it is. so you take down a couple free nameservers |
| 23:32.21 | timinator | so, for everyone whose sites are NOT down, what DNS service are you using? |
| 23:32.48 | dataw0lf | a variety. |
| 23:33.10 | olds | zzq |
| 23:33.51 | olds | Name Server:NAMESERVER.OFJUSTICE.NET |
| 23:33.52 | olds | Name Server:NS1.ZZQ.ORG |
| 23:34.14 | dataw0lf | olds: dude, what happened to your old website design? |
| 23:34.26 | dataw0lf | I <3ed it |
| 23:34.34 | olds | meh |
| 23:34.45 | dataw0lf | specially the catchphrase. |
| 23:34.50 | olds | lol |
| 23:34.58 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 23:35.03 | olds | runnin' over punks like a redneck trucker |
| 23:35.04 | olds | that one? |
| 23:35.10 | dataw0lf | jea |
| 23:35.18 | olds | it's from an old LL cool j song |
| 23:35.40 | fungus | timinator: I use my own DNS server, plus 2 separate providers. ArosNet, and EveryDNS |
| 23:35.58 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.58 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.58 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.58 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.58 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.58 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.00 | olds | LL Cool J - Jingling Baby |
| 23:37.22 | olds | datawolf: better yet, the cover of the album with the song is this: http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0000024JV.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg |
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| 23:41.14 | dataw0lf | olds: rol |
| 23:41.35 | dataw0lf | u so gangsta |
| 23:41.46 | olds | no no, LL Cool J is so gangsta |
| 23:41.48 | olds | I'm clearly not |
| 23:42.05 | dataw0lf | I wish I had a panther to put my bling on. |
| 23:42.22 | olds | agreed |
| 23:48.36 | dataw0lf | rimu hosting seems pretty responsive, so far. |
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