| 00:01.04 | dataw0lf | dang, I wanna go home, I hope she hurries up. |
| 00:01.27 | mindjuju | ah 5p |
| 00:02.05 | dataw0lf | came in at 7am |
| 00:02.57 | dataw0lf | it's only 4pm here. |
| 00:03.22 | mindjuju | 7a is early |
| 00:03.32 | dataw0lf | you ever get that tunnel vision towards the end of the day when you feel like it's dark for some reason? |
| 00:03.45 | dataw0lf | I'm getting a bad case right now. |
| 00:03.50 | macnewbold | it took me 25 minutes longer than usual to get to work today, instead of 10-15 minutes total, due to cleaning 4" of snow off my car and lousy roads getting here, and backed up traffic |
| 00:04.03 | dataw0lf | you guys got 4" there? |
| 00:04.18 | mindjuju | i'd say 2" |
| 00:04.26 | mindjuju | as far as draper / lehi |
| 00:04.37 | dataw0lf | I think we got 6 or 7 in the mountains, that's it. |
| 00:05.44 | dataw0lf | whew! Mt Rose opens tomorrow! |
| 00:13.28 | mindjuju | coolio, dojo has a channel here |
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| 00:28.57 | dataw0lf | sup Utah_Dav1 |
| 00:29.06 | Utah_Dav1 | sup, dataw0lf |
| 00:29.10 | dataw0lf | not much |
| 00:29.13 | Utah_Dav1 | how's Nevada? |
| 00:29.21 | dataw0lf | pretty cold |
| 00:29.30 | dataw0lf | :-) |
| 00:30.02 | Utah_Dav1 | same here. kids keep saying they're going to go outside and have a snowball fight, but 30 seconds later they're back inside complaining about the cold |
| 00:30.12 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 00:30.32 | dataw0lf | no snow in Reno proper, but we got 6 or 7 in the mountains |
| 00:31.37 | Utah_Dav1 | cool. That's where I like most of the snow to be... up in the mountains |
| 00:31.50 | dataw0lf | I hear that. I wish there was more. |
| 00:32.07 | dataw0lf | But one of the resorts I have a season pass to is opening tomorrow, so I'm stoke. |
| 00:32.10 | dataw0lf | stoked* |
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| 00:37.52 | dataw0lf | map.addOverlay(createMarker(new GLatLng(". $loc['la'] . "," . $loc['lo'] . ")," . $row['program_key'] . ", '" . $row['company_name'] . "' , '111 Some Street', '555-555-5555', 'http://www.somesite.com', '" . rtrim(addslashes($row['program_name'])) . "', '..< |
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| 00:38.17 | dataw0lf | sorry, wrong window |
| 00:38.45 | beandog | well next time you get the wrong window, paste something a little more seedy |
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| 00:41.55 | Utah_Dave | When my crappy wireless connection dies and and log in here again and my nick is still here, is there a way I can kick it off? so I don't have Utah_Dav1 |
| 00:42.37 | mindjuju | yeah, it's something like /ghost |
| 00:42.45 | mindjuju | i think nickserv knows about it |
| 00:42.48 | mindjuju | brb |
| 00:44.40 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.24 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.37 | dataw0lf | yea, you do |
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| 00:46.47 | dataw0lf | sup beandog |
| 00:48.01 | Utah_Dave | ok, lemmee try it |
| 00:49.58 | Utah_Dave | cool, you can do a RECOVER if someone else is using your registered nickname |
| 00:50.53 | dataw0lf | yea |
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| 00:52.48 | dataw0lf | that's weird. count() is all of a sudden by default operating recursively |
| 00:53.33 | Utah_Dave | time for dinner. Later everyone |
| 00:53.38 | mindjuju | laters |
| 00:53.44 | dataw0lf | cya |
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| 00:55.22 | dataw0lf | Anyone want to work at a genetics company doing Oracle Administration? |
| 00:55.30 | dataw0lf | in Salt Lake? |
| 00:56.01 | burnin | has to be Oracle? :) |
| 00:56.23 | dataw0lf | yes. Oracle 10gAS |
| 01:10.57 | mindjuju | just double checking, but if i call a .js file in all my pages, the same .js file, the browser should use the one in cache, right |
| 01:11.20 | mindjuju | so first page view has a penalty to download the file, subsequent page views faster since file in cache |
| 01:14.39 | dataw0lf | Correct. |
| 01:15.02 | mindjuju | k, that's what i thought |
| 01:34.33 | bigdog_ut | oh what an eventful day today |
| 01:35.10 | mindjuju | eventful good or eventful bad? |
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| 01:37.07 | bigdog_ut | bad |
| 01:37.24 | bigdog_ut | boss nearlly hosed our 1.2tb array |
| 01:37.50 | mindjuju | wow! |
| 01:37.55 | mindjuju | that sux! |
| 01:38.00 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 01:38.32 | mindjuju | did you kick him out of the NOC and tell him you need a raise and he needs to stay away |
| 01:39.33 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 01:41.28 | timinator | night guys |
| 01:46.46 | mindjuju | that name seems oddly familiar to me |
| 01:46.53 | mindjuju | /me's spinning old DM |
| 01:48.56 | burnin | Gerry Rafferty - Baker Street, Right Down The Line were played alot on the radio in their time. |
| 01:49.28 | mindjuju | me's got front 242 playing now |
| 01:49.30 | burnin | I think I was maybe 13 14. |
| 01:51.28 | burnin | mindjuju, do you intentionally use specific design patterns in your code, or just solve the problem at hand? |
| 01:52.05 | mindjuju | not sure what you mean by design patterns |
| 01:52.14 | burnin | I pretty much solve the problem at hand but patterns are apparent afterwards. |
| 01:52.24 | burnin | MVC, singleton, factory, etc. |
| 01:52.43 | burnin | Model-View-Controller seems to be popular with web applications. |
| 01:52.58 | burnin | I just started reading about patterns. |
| 01:53.20 | mindjuju | yeah, i'll have to look at that |
| 01:53.27 | mindjuju | sounds interesting |
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| 01:53.48 | burnin | Trying to decide if I should rework some code based on known patterns, incorporate some existing PHP framework that has a solid design behind it, or just continue with what I have. |
| 01:54.41 | mindjuju | oh, are you talking about reusing code? like building modules, sprocs and the like? |
| 01:54.44 | burnin | some of the frameworks I've looked at so far are complex beyond belief, it makes me wonder if you can go to far and end up with alot of overhead. |
| 01:54.48 | Utah_Dave | have you tried Codeigniter? |
| 01:54.58 | burnin | yeah, code reuse. |
| 01:55.01 | Utah_Dave | it's very lightweight |
| 01:55.09 | mindjuju | yeah, i like to roll my own |
| 01:55.17 | mindjuju | modules for code, sprocs for sql |
| 01:55.29 | burnin | Utah_Dave, you have an url? |
| 01:55.44 | mindjuju | i've heard really good things about codeigniter |
| 01:55.55 | mindjuju | though never looked at it, just all good feedback |
| 01:56.23 | mindjuju | but yeah, the person you should talk to about rolling your code is macnewbold |
| 01:56.39 | burnin | after looking at a few frameworks I decided I may be better of writing something myself. |
| 01:56.47 | burnin | to make it lightweight and so I could learn. |
| 01:57.07 | mindjuju | when i first got online with #uphpu almost 2 years ago, he made some big conversation about how he's been rolling his own for a long time, the modules he's got are tested and proven and now he slings them into sites as needed |
| 01:57.13 | mindjuju | making dev a heck of a lot faster |
| 01:57.29 | mindjuju | from that point, i seriously started reviewing my code and rolling my own |
| 01:57.53 | burnin | yeah, if you roll your own you know how it works inside out. |
| 01:58.02 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 01:58.26 | burnin | some of the frameworks out there are soo complex I could never wrap my head around their inner workings. |
| 01:58.42 | burnin | too many layers, too many hooks, too much abstraction |
| 01:58.50 | mindjuju | that's actually my prob with .net 2.0 framework |
| 01:58.53 | mindjuju | too much abstraction |
| 01:59.18 | mindjuju | from what i've seen of it, it's prefab everything |
| 01:59.58 | Utah_Dave | codeigniter.com |
| 01:59.59 | mindjuju | course, there are some VS2k5 users here that have been arguing that i should still take a look at it cause while that does exist, it still is a powerful too |
| 02:00.49 | Utah_Dave | codeigniter really doesn't force much on you and it has some really nice "helpers" |
| 02:02.13 | burnin | wow, nice tutorials! video |
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| 02:18.45 | Utah_Dave | the video tutorials are great. The guy who did the last video released a gpl app called BambooInvoice that's written with codeigniter |
| 02:18.57 | Utah_Dave | reading through the Bamboo Invoice code really helped me |
| 02:19.09 | burnin | is CI gpled? |
| 02:20.09 | Utah_Dave | it's closer to a bsd license. |
| 02:20.29 | burnin | k, found the license, reading it now |
| 02:21.39 | burnin | simple open source license, nice. |
| 02:25.09 | Utah_Dave | their irc channel is still new and fairly quiet, but we have some good discussions there. |
| 02:25.14 | Utah_Dave | the forums are great |
| 02:25.19 | Utah_Dave | and the documentation is fantastic |
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| 02:38.53 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 02:39.05 | burnin | after dinner I'm feeling pretty round |
| 02:39.32 | mindjuju | have you ever heard the term, sandbox in relation to web dev or software dev? |
| 02:39.44 | burnin | yes |
| 02:39.56 | burnin | usually for security or for IP issues. |
| 02:40.17 | mindjuju | ugh, well i use it for dev purposes as a place to throw code until it's hammered smooth |
| 02:40.28 | mindjuju | which is what i think your saying |
| 02:40.43 | mindjuju | i use it over in the dojo channel, and those guys have never heard the expression |
| 02:41.04 | burnin | yeah, you develop your code in your sandbox and keep out any contamination from others IP. |
| 02:41.13 | mindjuju | i'm not so sure about dojo as an ajax framework -- there demo page didn't work, though i did finally get a test page to work |
| 02:41.30 | mindjuju | what do you know about YUI? |
| 02:41.40 | burnin | Y? |
| 02:41.46 | mindjuju | Yahoo UI |
| 02:41.56 | mindjuju | usually i'm not a big fan of Yahoo things, but... |
| 02:42.07 | mindjuju | i've heard some good things about their ajax framework |
| 02:42.10 | burnin | yeah, the only thing I use Yahoo for is their finance site. |
| 02:42.48 | burnin | ah, yes, the finance pages for yahoo use ajax to update ticker prices real time. :) |
| 02:42.48 | burnin | its nice |
| 02:43.00 | burnin | ajax does have some weird side effects. |
| 02:43.20 | mindjuju | i've heard the documentation is excellent and the code is rolled tight so it's suppose to work pretty good |
| 02:43.23 | burnin | if your connection is intermittant page updates can be a bit bizzare |
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| 02:44.10 | mindjuju | hmmm... that's good to know. i'm not going heavy ajax, just some eye candy |
| 02:44.11 | burnin | no problems at home, but when I'm at work sometimes I'll pull up a yahoo page and some of it renders and then there is a pause. |
| 02:44.24 | burnin | have to wait to see if it finishes or if its broken |
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| 02:45.01 | burnin | yeah, the ticker updates with ajax are nice. |
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| 14:34.30 | drip | gm on everyone |
| 14:36.37 | timinator | good morning |
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| 14:47.17 | timinator | BRB |
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| 17:06.58 | Utah_Dave | sweet |
| 17:08.12 | dataw0lf | you're willing to sell, anything, gone with your herd, leave your footprints, and we'll shame them with our words |
| 17:08.23 | dataw0lf | yea, he's pretty awesome at a small venue like a college party |
| 17:08.42 | Utah_Dave | I bet |
| 17:11.11 | dataw0lf | s/him/himself |
| 17:14.48 | dataw0lf | looking in my rear view mirror... looking in my reeear view mirror, I can make it disappear, I can make it dis a ppear (HAVE NO FEAR!) |
| 17:15.13 | dataw0lf | alright, time to yell at system administrators |
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| 17:24.47 | dataw0lf | morning herlo |
| 17:26.04 | herlo | dataw0lf: morning |
| 17:38.59 | mindjuju | morning |
| 17:39.29 | dataw0lf | sup sup mindjuju |
| 17:43.06 | mindjuju | well, i wasted about 2 hours on dojo ajax framework last night, but i'm finally able to wield it alright |
| 17:43.18 | mindjuju | just not a lot of documentation |
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| 17:43.55 | mindjuju | is prototype a framework also? |
| 17:44.24 | _psychic_ | I dunno I guess |
| 17:44.31 | _psychic_ | it just makes ajax really easy |
| 17:47.13 | dataw0lf | they all sux |
| 17:48.43 | mindjuju | well, dojo has some cool stuff that's pretty mature, cross browser, degrades gracefully, etc |
| 17:48.59 | mindjuju | just nobody knows how to do it, exactly and there is painfully little to read |
| 17:49.12 | mindjuju | so you wind up going to the .js files to see what the heck is going on |
| 17:49.42 | mindjuju | part of me wants to stick with it, part of me wants to go to Yahoo UI |
| 17:49.59 | mindjuju | while i dislike Yahoo in general, i've seen their documentation and there is tons of it |
| 17:50.25 | mindjuju | though i don't know anybody who is using it to see how bad it is to program in |
| 17:50.51 | mindjuju | i wish google would slap together a framework |
| 17:51.30 | dataw0lf | I've used the Yahoo UI API. It's not bad, as far as that goes. |
| 17:51.36 | dataw0lf | Google Maps is better. |
| 17:51.47 | mindjuju | yeah, love google stuff, but they ain't got nothin' |
| 17:52.03 | dataw0lf | I'd like to see the API they use for GMail. |
| 17:52.06 | mindjuju | at least when i checked google labs, didn't see any ajax framework there |
| 17:52.11 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:52.37 | dataw0lf | they have the Web Toolkit, but that's Java. |
| 17:53.00 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:53.45 | dataw0lf | aw, dude, I wish I woulda known about this earlier: http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2006/11/announcing-open-source-developers.html I totally could've gotten my company to fly me out there, since it's so close to our corporate offices |
| 18:03.54 | dataw0lf | what does it mean if your urine is bright green? |
| 18:03.59 | dataw0lf | I believe I've been pranked. |
| 18:04.16 | Black_Chaos | too much mountain dew |
| 18:04.22 | dataw0lf | I don't drink mountain dew. |
| 18:04.43 | dataw0lf | all I've had today is a cup of coffee from 7/11 and a Pepsi from a sealed can |
| 18:07.28 | dataw0lf | maybe not drinking for a while has started to somehow break down the Irish in me. |
| 18:07.42 | dataw0lf | I need a shot of whiskey! Stat! |
| 18:08.31 | _psychic_ | methylene blue.... |
| 18:08.44 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:08.55 | dataw0lf | nah, I've done methylene blue before. The green is much lighter than this |
| 18:09.05 | _psychic_ | eating too much asparagus? |
| 18:09.15 | dataw0lf | if I had enough methylene blue to have dyed my urine this bright, bright green, it would be blue. |
| 18:09.19 | dataw0lf | nope. |
| 18:09.24 | dataw0lf | gotta be some joker at 7/11 |
| 18:09.42 | dataw0lf | some type of pharmaceutical dye, though, for sure |
| 18:10.08 | dataw0lf | here's to hoping it's pharmaceutical, anyways. |
| 18:10.24 | _psychic_ | rather than gastrointestinal, yeah |
| 18:11.10 | mindjuju | maybe it'll be a fad |
| 18:11.20 | dataw0lf | I'm a trendsetter, it's true. |
| 18:11.44 | _psychic_ | a excretory trendsetter at that. |
| 18:11.57 | mindjuju | i'd thought about peeing orange but, green is sounding more enviromentally friendly |
| 18:12.10 | _psychic_ | green is the new orange. |
| 18:13.38 | mindjuju | ah, the 80s -- golden age of fashion, music and movies! is it ever possible to hit those same heights again? |
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| 18:21.59 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I just threw up a little in my mouth. |
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| 18:22.56 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, are you a big fan of dodgeball the movie? |
| 18:23.41 | dataw0lf | Not really. Except for Rip Torn and the Lance Armstrong scenes. I don't consider it a very strong Frat Pack movie. |
| 18:23.53 | dataw0lf | oh, I get what you're saying. |
| 18:24.02 | mindjuju | yup, she does say that |
| 18:24.17 | dataw0lf | I was saying I just threw up a little in my mouth when I still had a crush on that actress. |
| 18:25.58 | dataw0lf | That I can't remember her name reflects on how long ago that was. |
| 18:26.24 | mindjuju | seems like somebody said that she is stiller's real wife, but don't know for sure |
| 18:27.00 | dataw0lf | she is |
| 18:27.33 | wps | http://funnyundies.com/images/global_warming.jpg |
| 18:28.21 | wps | it's clean |
| 18:29.21 | _psychic_ | I'm going to try to resist the temptation to jump on a bad joke here. "clean" and "undies" is really tempting, though. |
| 18:29.53 | dataw0lf | dang, bring the Global Warming on. I never looked at it that way. |
| 18:30.16 | wps | I thought it was funny |
| 18:30.49 | dataw0lf | I know this is the wrong channel to ask this, but did anyone see the new South Park last night? |
| 18:30.52 | dataw0lf | o m g |
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| 18:31.05 | dataw0lf | olds: you see it? |
| 18:32.07 | _psychic_ | I'm up for warming. Its stinking 18F today. :( |
| 18:32.35 | mindjuju | yup, can say that again |
| 18:32.52 | wps | it is freezing at my office |
| 18:32.54 | wps | has been all week |
| 18:33.16 | dataw0lf | yea, pretty cold here. |
| 18:33.33 | com4 | cold here too... they still have the ac switching on every now and again |
| 18:33.47 | dataw0lf | com4: you see the new south park last night? |
| 18:33.49 | com4 | OMG FAGBINNED LOLZ |
| 18:33.50 | com4 | no |
| 18:33.59 | com4 | was it good? |
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| 18:50.11 | dataw0lf | com4: yes. It was awesome. |
| 18:50.36 | dataw0lf | dealt with the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. |
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| 18:55.46 | dataw0lf | I can't wait to get a PS3. |
| 18:56.13 | _psychic_ | http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/ |
| 18:58.04 | dataw0lf | rol |
| 18:58.07 | dataw0lf | screw the wii |
| 18:58.31 | _psychic_ | I think I'm up for it, but I thought that site was pretty freaking funny. |
| 18:58.46 | dataw0lf | last time I bought a Nintendo product was SNES |
| 18:58.54 | dataw0lf | good system |
| 18:58.58 | dataw0lf | Breath of Fire uber alles! |
| 18:59.15 | _psychic_ | Chrono Trigger. |
| 18:59.18 | _psychic_ | the |
| 18:59.18 | _psychic_ | best |
| 18:59.20 | _psychic_ | ever |
| 18:59.33 | dataw0lf | Chrono Trigger rocked |
| 18:59.34 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: BoF was a goodun too.,. |
| 18:59.43 | dataw0lf | yea it was |
| 18:59.57 | mindjuju | bionic command for the NES was best game evar |
| 19:00.02 | _psychic_ | dude! |
| 19:00.21 | _psychic_ | my mom watched us beat it once |
| 19:00.32 | _psychic_ | you know, the part where the dudes heads explode |
| 19:00.37 | _psychic_ | she was less than impressed |
| 19:00.37 | mindjuju | yeah! |
| 19:00.44 | beandog | Oo |
| 19:00.45 | _psychic_ | I love that game. |
| 19:00.47 | mindjuju | dude -- that was frickin' hitler! |
| 19:00.58 | mindjuju | there is an explain @ wikipedia |
| 19:01.06 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 19:01.18 | _psychic_ | he bore a striking resemblance, to be sure |
| 19:01.27 | mindjuju | that Japanese version kept everything in tact, but i guess they changed the names in the US |
| 19:01.28 | dataw0lf | Silver Surfer, Ninja Gaiden, Mega Man 2, Battletoads... |
| 19:01.32 | dataw0lf | I actually beat Battletoads |
| 19:01.39 | dataw0lf | it's something I'm pretty proud of. |
| 19:02.14 | _psychic_ | You can get a bajillion lives on that chasm descent level. |
| 19:02.14 | mindjuju | but yeah, your sittin there kickin' a, and suddenly hitler starts to be resurected, and your sittin there freakin out, holy crap, i got to killz this guy |
| 19:02.14 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 19:02.17 | _psychic_ | My desktop is a pic of megaman |
| 19:03.28 | mindjuju | tellin' you guys, 80's is the pinnacle of civilization |
| 19:03.44 | mindjuju | saved up a whole summer mowing loans to buy the NES |
| 19:03.44 | _psychic_ | "The original Japanese version of Bionic Commando placed the character in a battle against futuristic Nazis. The final boss was Adolf Hitler, who had been resurrected by evil scientists. All references to Nazism were removed from the American release: the swastikas were replaced by eagle figures, the enemies were renamed from "Nazis" to "Badds" and the overall difficulty of the game was reduced. The final boss's name was changed to "Master-D", but he sti |
| 19:05.17 | mindjuju | yup, and your trying to get out of the stronghold and every last solider is in your frickin' way and suddenly the island blows up and you don't know if you've made it off or not and suddenly you see the escape heli and your clamped onto it with your bionic arm and the other arm around super joe |
| 19:05.25 | dataw0lf | meh, I've been sticking to Madden 06 of late. Bears uber alles! |
| 19:05.27 | mindjuju | freak! what an awesome game! |
| 19:05.57 | _psychic_ | FIFA 07 ;) |
| 19:05.57 | dataw0lf | what about Tyson's Knockout? I loved that game. |
| 19:06.13 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: the NES version? |
| 19:06.20 | mindjuju | never got passed bald bull |
| 19:06.22 | dataw0lf | course |
| 19:06.34 | _psychic_ | I still remember some of the takedown moves |
| 19:06.46 | _psychic_ | I hated the guy that transported all over the place. |
| 19:06.49 | dataw0lf | shoot, I still remember most of all the NES codes. |
| 19:07.11 | dataw0lf | the Konami code got me started on that |
| 19:07.17 | dataw0lf | How else was I s'posed to beat Contra?? |
| 19:07.56 | mindjuju | yeah, i remember that contra code |
| 19:08.01 | dataw0lf | my parents got me a Konami code tshirt for my birthday. |
| 19:08.03 | dataw0lf | it's pretty sweet |
| 19:08.04 | mindjuju | or who could forget |
| 19:08.19 | mindjuju | JUSTIN BAILEY |
| 19:08.19 | mindjuju | ------- --------- |
| 19:08.31 | *** join/#uphpu xilch|w_ (n=xilch@66.236.72.101.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 19:08.32 | beandog | who? |
| 19:08.46 | mindjuju | that code was for metroid, the end with everything |
| 19:08.53 | mindjuju | all you had to do was go to mother brain and win |
| 19:09.23 | _psychic_ | I loved the metroid games |
| 19:09.28 | _psychic_ | the snes one was good too |
| 19:09.41 | mindjuju | yeah, i loved the first, but second one was great |
| 19:09.51 | dataw0lf | I heard that the GameCube version was awesome. |
| 19:10.08 | _psychic_ | the FPS one? |
| 19:10.11 | mindjuju | when that freakin' metroid junior goes over and latches onto motherbrain and starts gnawing on her |
| 19:10.20 | mindjuju | i've got gamecube and metroid prime |
| 19:10.23 | mindjuju | but not the others |
| 19:10.24 | _psychic_ | That game used to freak me out |
| 19:10.35 | dataw0lf | Metroid Prime, yea, that's it |
| 19:10.42 | _psychic_ | you'd be cruising along, and some monster would jump out at you |
| 19:10.58 | dataw0lf | what's the scariest game you guys have ever played? |
| 19:11.25 | mindjuju | silent hill was pretty crazy, i didn't finish |
| 19:11.34 | _psychic_ | resident evil |
| 19:11.51 | mindjuju | i've heard silent hill 2 is king in the nightmare rpg realm |
| 19:12.11 | mindjuju | never played it though |
| 19:12.16 | drip | doom 3 is a fun one to play late at night. |
| 19:12.22 | dataw0lf | I thought Doom 3, Sanitarium, and AvP 2 were probably the scariest |
| 19:12.32 | _psychic_ | I couldn't do doom 3 |
| 19:12.33 | dataw0lf | maybe Clive Barker's Undying |
| 19:12.40 | _psychic_ | we put on all the cheats, and were still peeing our pants |
| 19:12.47 | drip | ha ha ha |
| 19:13.08 | _psychic_ | invincible, and armed to the teeth DOES NOT HELP |
| 19:13.08 | dataw0lf | yea, alone in the dark with surround sound, it pretty much scares the crap out of you |
| 19:13.08 | drip | yeah, that one keeps your arm hair on edge. |
| 19:13.22 | dataw0lf | dude, I had the BFG and turned around and ran a couple times |
| 19:13.28 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 19:13.34 | dataw0lf | WHERE IS THAT VOICE COMING FROM!? YEeaaaaaaghh |
| 19:13.37 | drip | lol |
| 19:14.06 | mindjuju | i heard doom 3 is about monsters popping out from nowhere to get ya |
| 19:14.27 | drip | yep. |
| 19:14.46 | dataw0lf | the quality of the sound has alot to do with it |
| 19:14.56 | drip | breathing here and there.. |
| 19:15.00 | mindjuju | and something about how you can't see crap cause it's dark so you got one hand on a flashlight and one on a gun, or you can have a buddy hold your flashlight |
| 19:15.03 | drip | people jumping out of dark corners. |
| 19:15.10 | mindjuju | me i'd have taped it on my head |
| 19:15.29 | drip | you have one or the other. gun or flashlight. not both at same time. |
| 19:15.47 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 19:15.47 | mindjuju | that's frickin' nuts, wheres some duct tape when you need it |
| 19:16.07 | drip | right next to the bailing wire. |
| 19:16.12 | drip | at home. |
| 19:16.18 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 19:17.18 | mindjuju | any good? |
| 19:17.19 | drip | but have to wait until the fat man comes with it. |
| 19:17.35 | drip | it was on sale for $25 |
| 19:17.38 | drip | so grabbed it up. |
| 19:17.41 | mindjuju | you have to wait til christmas to play it? |
| 19:17.44 | drip | ..and one for my friend. |
| 19:17.57 | drip | that way I have someone to play it online with. |
| 19:17.59 | drip | yep. |
| 19:18.11 | dataw0lf | yea, I'd have to say Sanitarium tops Doom 3, though |
| 19:18.20 | mindjuju | man, when i got gauntlet for christmas one year, and went at the present with a razorblade and played it early |
| 19:18.32 | dataw0lf | been there, done that |
| 19:18.39 | drip | lol.. yeah |
| 19:18.39 | mindjuju | was nearly done by the time christmas came around |
| 19:18.56 | mindjuju | course, i found out much later, there isn't an end to the gauntlet NES version, just keeps going |
| 19:18.59 | mindjuju | that sux |
| 19:19.12 | drip | first game I've bought since Counterstrike |
| 19:23.05 | macnewbold | herlo: you awake? |
| 19:23.31 | macnewbold | anyone in here remember the guy who was at the back of the room by herlo at the last uphpu meeting? |
| 19:23.52 | macnewbold | he was of above average age, dressed in motorcycle gear, if I recall right |
| 19:23.56 | wps | Edwardo Hernandez Schmidt |
| 19:24.00 | macnewbold | he had mentioned he was looking for job leads |
| 19:24.05 | wps | just kidding… I have no idea |
| 19:24.06 | macnewbold | wps: are you serious? |
| 19:24.07 | macnewbold | good |
| 19:27.21 | wps | I wish I had some ice cream |
| 19:27.52 | mindjuju | i think we've still got a tub from the company birtday party about a week ago |
| 19:29.40 | wps | mind tarring that up and sending it over? |
| 19:30.12 | drip | you might gzip it too.. just to lock in the freshness. |
| 19:30.22 | dataw0lf | no, for freshness you use bzip2 |
| 19:30.50 | wps | a lot |
| 19:31.17 | dataw0lf | apparently. you're willing to eat it after it's be through who knows how many routers. .. and who knows where those routers have been! |
| 19:31.36 | wps | ha ha |
| 19:31.43 | dataw0lf | :-) |
| 19:31.57 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: above average age.... that's polite for old, innit? |
| 19:32.01 | wps | actually, I was hoping mindjuju would let me tunnel straight into his office |
| 19:32.18 | dataw0lf | oh, the famous VPN ice cream transfer. Good call. |
| 19:32.24 | wps | exactly |
| 19:32.44 | dataw0lf | I still dunno if I'd trust mindjuju's local network... |
| 19:32.50 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 19:32.59 | mindjuju | ~poo dataw0lf |
| 19:33.01 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at dataw0lf |
| 19:33.08 | wps | eek |
| 19:33.16 | dataw0lf | O_O |
| 19:33.34 | _psy[lunch]_ | too much bathroom talk in here today! |
| 19:33.39 | dataw0lf | too... many.. adverbs... |
| 19:33.43 | wps | true |
| 19:37.21 | com4 | dataw0lf: whatever, the wii wins... if nothing else, everyone needs it for the virtual console |
| 19:37.32 | com4 | that or a modded xbox |
| 19:38.32 | mindjuju | com4 did you go hardware or softmod ? |
| 19:39.08 | com4 | softmod |
| 19:39.20 | mindjuju | yeah, me too - off of splinter cell |
| 19:39.28 | com4 | i used the font exploit |
| 19:39.56 | mindjuju | i heard something like with the font exploit, you can still go back or somethign, is that true? |
| 19:40.05 | com4 | yeah, i just plug in the old hard drive |
| 19:40.15 | mindjuju | that's cool |
| 19:41.08 | com4 | it'll load up regularly, the screen will flash (this is where the over flow occurs). it'll load up phoenix something or other, and boot to evox or whatever |
| 19:41.58 | com4 | my worry with the softmod is one day someone will put a game in it that updates the dashboard |
| 19:44.03 | dataw0lf | com4: I didn't ask for Nintendo fanboi opinions |
| 19:44.09 | dataw0lf | if I wanted that I'd go to a Cosplay convention. |
| 19:44.40 | dataw0lf | Ask a couple thousand Links |
| 19:45.27 | com4 | nintendo fanboi or not, it's a very good idea |
| 19:45.33 | com4 | so good infact, that ps3 stole the idea for the ps1 games |
| 19:45.54 | dataw0lf | just don't kill me with your virtual sword / ridiculous remote, that's all I ask. |
| 19:46.26 | com4 | It has a faulty strap to ensure it doesn't go flying at your head while i play zelda :D don't worry |
| 19:46.41 | olds | it's true |
| 19:46.58 | com4 | you know... what ever it is you're doing at the time |
| 19:47.07 | com4 | like curled up in a ball because you can't get a ps3 |
| 19:47.11 | dataw0lf | what the Wii really needs is an instruction manual on how to make fake lightsaber sounds |
| 19:47.12 | com4 | or the ps3 you got is broken |
| 19:47.23 | com4 | bump that son, the wiimote has a speaker in it |
| 19:47.28 | com4 | i'll make the lightsaber sounds for you |
| 19:47.43 | dataw0lf | wiimote?! omg is that what it's called? |
| 19:47.56 | com4 | no... it's called the wii remote, wiimote is awesomer :D |
| 19:48.06 | dataw0lf | true, you almost sold me there |
| 19:48.54 | com4 | maybe if sony could figure out how to make some more and stop telling people that they're loosing money over it, i'll buy one |
| 19:49.16 | dataw0lf | that's just more people I can make fun of for not having one. |
| 19:49.35 | com4 | srsly |
| 19:49.37 | dataw0lf | don't hate us because we're beautiful |
| 19:49.52 | com4 | sony knows how to create some hype |
| 19:50.02 | dataw0lf | and an incredible console |
| 19:50.05 | com4 | only release a few, get people mugged for them and sell them on ebay |
| 19:50.24 | com4 | *shrug* there's nothing really "incredible" about it |
| 19:50.40 | dataw0lf | cept it can levitate. you obviously haven't seen the commercials. |
| 19:50.52 | com4 | Well... i think you ment creepy |
| 19:50.56 | dataw0lf | AND IT MAKES DOLLS CRY |
| 19:50.58 | com4 | obviously you haven't seen the baby commercial |
| 19:51.03 | dataw0lf | ^^ |
| 19:51.31 | com4 | or the one that instantly hatches chicken eggs into ravens or crows or whatever those were |
| 19:51.41 | dataw0lf | A console that can induce intelligence in inanimate objects is <3. That way, if you come over, we can have a conversation |
| 19:51.58 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 19:52.18 | dataw0lf | haven't seen the egg one |
| 19:52.25 | com4 | or when i don't, you can talk to your dolls for real |
| 19:52.31 | com4 | perhaps you should watch chucky again though |
| 19:52.35 | com4 | good times those were not |
| 19:52.37 | dataw0lf | omg true never thought of dat |
| 19:52.53 | dataw0lf | me and chucky would get along fine. didn't you see the one where he freebases? |
| 19:53.01 | com4 | heh |
| 19:53.14 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 19:54.29 | com4 | seriously though, the ps1 games on the psp is pretty cool |
| 19:54.37 | com4 | only if they put on the resident evils |
| 19:54.51 | dataw0lf | you and your zombie fetish |
| 19:54.56 | olds | I got some new kicks today |
| 19:55.08 | _psychic_ | (metal gear solid) |
| 19:55.13 | _psychic_ | com4: ^ |
| 19:55.20 | dataw0lf | olds: what kind? |
| 19:55.30 | olds | Diesel Bern |
| 19:55.35 | olds | $40 on sale at Journey's |
| 19:55.38 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 19:55.50 | com4 | i've not played a whole lot of the MGS's... my brother really likes i though |
| 19:56.27 | com4 | them* |
| 19:57.03 | _psychic_ | com4: I played the first one for a week straight until I beat it. Killer good game. Good story, real creative. |
| 19:57.07 | dataw0lf | olds: I haven't seen the Berns, I prefer the Remys. |
| 19:57.17 | olds | I don't know what those are |
| 19:57.42 | com4 | what's the first one? |
| 19:57.53 | _psychic_ | the name? |
| 19:57.58 | olds | http://www.journeys.com/catalog_detail.aspx?c=vendors&s=Guys/Diesel&id=41186 |
| 19:57.59 | com4 | yea, are you talking the nes one? |
| 19:58.06 | dataw0lf | http://www.englinsfinefootwear.com/product.asp?3=455625259 |
| 19:58.12 | _psychic_ | com4: no, the PS1 one |
| 19:58.14 | com4 | ah |
| 19:58.29 | _psychic_ | emphasis on the "solid" |
| 19:58.34 | com4 | yeah gotcha |
| 19:58.38 | dataw0lf | berns look nice |
| 19:58.43 | com4 | my ps2 doesn't play ps1 games anymore |
| 19:59.50 | _psychic_ | I'd buy a ps1 just to play that game again. |
| 19:59.58 | dataw0lf | dang, gotta wait til the 15th for christmas bonuses. that's stupid. |
| 20:00.18 | com4 | i should check it out |
| 20:00.22 | beandog | I wonder when it will be safe to buy a PS3 without fear of dismemberment |
| 20:00.28 | com4 | heh |
| 20:00.29 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 20:00.30 | mindjuju | anybody that has a moment and wants to comment on a design i made, offer critique would be greatly appreciated |
| 20:00.31 | mindjuju | http://www.billgood.com/vvilla/screenshot.png |
| 20:00.37 | com4 | i'm waiting for the ps3 to at least stop being broken |
| 20:00.48 | dataw0lf | I'm waiting for the Wii to stop being gay |
| 20:00.50 | _psychic_ | com4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid |
| 20:00.53 | dataw0lf | but we know that will never happen |
| 20:01.05 | com4 | dataw0lf: it's true... but the wii is a hoot |
| 20:01.26 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: make the upper nav buttons and the lower buttons a different color |
| 20:01.27 | dataw0lf | how responsive is that wiimote anyways |
| 20:01.38 | olds | pretty good |
| 20:01.41 | com4 | dataw0lf: i would compare it to using a mouse on a computer |
| 20:01.43 | dataw0lf | and what's the variation in moves |
| 20:01.46 | _psychic_ | anyone have a wii? |
| 20:01.50 | olds | com4 does |
| 20:02.00 | dataw0lf | com4: really? that's pretty nice |
| 20:02.08 | dataw0lf | responsiveness that is |
| 20:02.19 | dataw0lf | olds: you play with com4's wii ? |
| 20:02.25 | olds | all the time |
| 20:02.28 | com4 | yeah, it moves x,y,z and knows if it's being rotated |
| 20:02.30 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 20:02.31 | mindjuju | sounds good, thx for the feedback _psychic_ |
| 20:02.56 | dataw0lf | huh, that's sounding kinda attractive. |
| 20:03.02 | com4 | dataw0lf: the nunchuck also knows x,y,z |
| 20:03.04 | dataw0lf | if I already had caught the gay, I'd get one. |
| 20:03.16 | _psychic_ | I wanna try the boxing |
| 20:03.23 | dataw0lf | there's boxing? |
| 20:03.25 | com4 | boxing is pretty alright |
| 20:03.34 | olds | boxing is meh |
| 20:03.36 | olds | bowling is fun |
| 20:03.43 | dataw0lf | haha bowling |
| 20:03.46 | com4 | boxing has preset moves that you mimick |
| 20:03.49 | dataw0lf | like bowling wasn't for fatties enough |
| 20:03.53 | com4 | baseball is pretty close to real baseball |
| 20:04.04 | com4 | as far as batting... |
| 20:04.05 | _psychic_ | com4: I didn't know that - too bad |
| 20:04.15 | dataw0lf | what about sword usage? |
| 20:04.30 | _psychic_ | FPS gotta be interesting too - point and shoot |
| 20:04.31 | com4 | preset sword swings |
| 20:04.40 | dataw0lf | and does it come with some type of gun mod, cuz I don't like pointing remotes as a gun |
| 20:04.43 | com4 | you have to move a minimal amount to get a full sword swing |
| 20:04.59 | com4 | i'm sure there will be a gun mod... there's a steering wheel "mod" |
| 20:05.20 | dataw0lf | I want a exact replication of an m4, and then I'll buy it |
| 20:05.28 | com4 | you should just make one |
| 20:05.29 | dataw0lf | won't even have to leave the house to kill people anymore, if that's the case |
| 20:05.42 | dataw0lf | too much work |
| 20:05.43 | com4 | you'd be king of the nehds |
| 20:05.59 | dataw0lf | I refuse to do any sort of hardware modding anymore. |
| 20:06.18 | com4 | just make a gun casing that you clip the remote into |
| 20:06.24 | dataw0lf | too much work |
| 20:06.41 | dataw0lf | how heavy is the remote? |
| 20:06.47 | com4 | get a real m4 and tape the remote to it |
| 20:06.49 | olds | 8 pounds |
| 20:06.52 | dataw0lf | I gots one. |
| 20:06.58 | _psychic_ | hard enough to bust a large screen TV in two when thrown |
| 20:07.01 | dataw0lf | shuddup olds |
| 20:07.07 | com4 | yeah... plus 2 AA batteries |
| 20:07.18 | com4 | so like 8.5 pounds |
| 20:07.24 | olds | yea prolly |
| 20:07.34 | dataw0lf | you must be kidding me. |
| 20:07.38 | olds | nope |
| 20:07.46 | dataw0lf | can't clip it to an m4 then |
| 20:07.49 | dataw0lf | way too heavy |
| 20:08.03 | olds | .. .. .. .. .. ... .. .. . .. NOT! |
| 20:08.12 | olds | high five! |
| 20:08.16 | com4 | .3 pounds is the shipping weight |
| 20:08.19 | dataw0lf | h8 |
| 20:08.24 | dataw0lf | .3 pounds is fairly heavy |
| 20:08.36 | dataw0lf | a fully loaded m4 weighs like 6.5 lbs or something |
| 20:08.41 | olds | you could tape it to anything pretty easily |
| 20:08.54 | dataw0lf | I'll try it out. |
| 20:09.07 | dataw0lf | I'll find someone who has a wii and perform a home invasion with my m4, and then test this idea out |
| 20:09.15 | olds | flawless |
| 20:09.21 | dataw0lf | victory! |
| 20:09.31 | com4 | why would you want to play a game with a fully loaded m4? |
| 20:09.44 | dataw0lf | to make it more realistic. |
| 20:09.50 | com4 | i mean, it's already shown that throwing the wiimote at the tv will break it |
| 20:10.01 | dataw0lf | oh, I wouldn't shoot my TV. |
| 20:10.11 | dataw0lf | although people may want to leave the area to escape my wrath |
| 20:10.24 | olds | I don't think wii bowling or tennis are going to be any more realistic with an m4 |
| 20:10.25 | dataw0lf | 'YOU KILLED ME IN THE GAME AGAIN?!' *bam* *bam* |
| 20:10.31 | dataw0lf | sounds like a Fark entry waiting to happen |
| 20:10.43 | dataw0lf | olds: you've never played tennis with me |
| 20:10.56 | olds | do you play with an m4? |
| 20:11.27 | dataw0lf | only against the monsters known as the Williams sisters |
| 20:11.34 | olds | ok, time to take a shower and go to class |
| 20:11.39 | dataw0lf | the broad shoulders scare me into retaliation |
| 20:11.48 | com4 | one of the william's sister's sister's already got shot |
| 20:11.50 | com4 | that's not funny |
| 20:11.52 | com4 | .... ;) |
| 20:12.06 | dataw0lf | I kept on double faulting, what was I supposed to do? |
| 20:12.12 | com4 | heh |
| 20:12.32 | olds | I wonder if she made the same sound as the williams' sisters' grunts during matches |
| 20:12.44 | olds | not so much a grunt as a yelp I guess |
| 20:13.19 | dataw0lf | they all make those sounds. The Williams sisters just do it blacker. |
| 20:14.40 | olds | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Iy1Ar_j1g8 |
| 20:15.05 | mindjuju | this is prolly not the channel to be talking about women grunting -- i think there is an adult channel though |
| 20:15.15 | mindjuju | jk |
| 20:16.06 | dataw0lf | have you ever seen the Williams sisters? |
| 20:16.16 | mindjuju | yeah, i know who your talking about |
| 20:16.25 | mindjuju | vanessa and serina or something like that |
| 20:16.29 | dataw0lf | what makes you think you can classify them as women? |
| 20:16.51 | mindjuju | what do you think they are? |
| 20:17.09 | mindjuju | alien, alien - hyrbrid, men ? |
| 20:17.10 | dataw0lf | I immediately disqualify anyone who can kick my arse on their knees with one hand from 'womanhood' |
| 20:17.29 | dataw0lf | if just to make myself feel better. |
| 20:18.25 | mindjuju | well, i did get punched in the nose by "large marge" because her brother was giving me a hard time and i started to push him around |
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| 20:20.06 | olds | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=687559 |
| 20:20.20 | olds | I drove by that on my way back from buying my shoes |
| 20:20.38 | olds | they closed down all the streets around it |
| 20:20.40 | olds | which I thought was odd |
| 20:21.12 | com4 | new kicks for your parrrtay? |
| 20:21.25 | olds | I just needed new kicks in general |
| 20:21.32 | com4 | ah |
| 20:21.42 | com4 | i'll probably order those awesome puma's after christmas |
| 20:21.47 | com4 | or tell my parents to get em for me |
| 20:21.52 | olds | custom made or no? |
| 20:21.56 | com4 | no |
| 20:22.04 | olds | which ones then? |
| 20:22.48 | com4 | lemme find em |
| 20:23.42 | dataw0lf | the clydes? |
| 20:26.06 | dataw0lf | I need to get a new pair of Adidas halfshells |
| 20:26.15 | com4 | http://store.puma.com/pumaUSStore/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=PumaUS&category%5Fname=MensBestSellersFootwear&product%5Fid=18121009&productType=Footwear&mainCategory=Men&shopBy=style&siteid=1 |
| 20:26.48 | dataw0lf | ugh |
| 20:27.28 | olds | those? |
| 20:27.50 | olds | I wouldn't buy them, but meh |
| 20:28.16 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't wear em |
| 20:28.28 | dataw0lf | http://www.shopadidas.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2434969&shopGroup=R&cp=2039765.2019613.2006379&parentPage=family&colorId=466442 |
| 20:28.29 | dataw0lf | aww jea |
| 20:28.32 | dataw0lf | the comptown coastals |
| 20:28.43 | dataw0lf | that's what I'm rocking right now |
| 20:29.12 | olds | http://store.puma.com/pumaUSStore/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=PumaUS&category%5Fname=MensLifestyleFootwear&product%5Fid=30046030&productType=Footwear&mainCategory=Men&shopBy=style&siteid=1 |
| 20:29.17 | olds | I like those a lot |
| 20:29.31 | wps | this jacket is sweet |
| 20:29.31 | wps | http://ADUS.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pADIDAS1-2745983_pattern_w345a.jpg |
| 20:31.21 | dataw0lf | http://www.shopadidas.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2249827&shopGroup=R&cp=2039765.2019616&page=2&doVSearch=no&pageBucket=0&parentPage=family&colorId= |
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| 20:32.20 | com4 | wps: that is a good jacket |
| 20:32.29 | com4 | shame it's a little too cold for the likes of it 'round these parts |
| 20:32.51 | com4 | dataw0lf has poor taste :) |
| 20:32.54 | com4 | his clothing isn't flamboyant enough |
| 20:32.55 | com4 | no wonder he doesnt like the wii |
| 20:33.18 | beandog | man, that is nappy |
| 20:33.28 | beandog | I like the orange one |
| 20:34.35 | dataw0lf | you want a jacket, this is the one right hurr: http://burton.com/ProductImages/FullSize/B7233104.jpg got it for only 180 |
| 20:34.49 | olds | 85555555555555555555559888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888886 |
| 20:35.19 | dataw0lf | someone either just had a stroke, or owns a cat |
| 20:35.58 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 20:36.19 | beandog | or had a cat |
| 20:36.45 | _psychic_ | or the said cat is a closet IRC junkie |
| 20:37.25 | _psychic_ | beandog: http://www.tronguy.net/ |
| 20:37.32 | dataw0lf | http://www.cmarket.com/clothesoffourback/img/photo-838ac8a054a4a5aa089696034371d2ac.jpg |
| 20:37.42 | dataw0lf | Gretchen Bleiler is probably the hottest thing ever |
| 20:38.36 | beandog | _psychic_: omfc. |
| 20:38.56 | dataw0lf | leave it to _psychic_ to post the Cosplay pics |
| 20:39.24 | dataw0lf | I bet you want a Wii, too, dontcha?! |
| 20:40.31 | _psychic_ | so I can play TRON on it. |
| 20:40.31 | _psychic_ | duh. |
| 20:40.31 | dataw0lf | point taken |
| 20:40.32 | beandog | http://www.tron-sector.com/gallery/default.aspx?do=gallery§ion=1&category=11 |
| 20:41.03 | beandog | Im not sure if Im scared or jealous. |
| 20:42.08 | dataw0lf | http://www.tron-sector.com/gallery/show.aspx?id=483 jealous? |
| 20:43.08 | beandog | definately. :) |
| 20:43.35 | dataw0lf | that's a pretty hot program |
| 20:43.42 | beandog | comply |
| 20:44.09 | dataw0lf | Nice EOL! |
| 20:44.16 | beandog | :) |
| 20:45.04 | olds | that was the cat |
| 20:45.07 | olds | sry |
| 20:45.52 | dataw0lf | I wonder if I'd get slapped if I told a girl they had a nice control r control n |
| 20:45.55 | beandog | http://cgi.ebay.com/TRON-ARCADE-GAME-BALLY-MIDWAY-CLASSIC-UPRIGHT_W0QQitemZ250053489508QQihZ015QQcategoryZ13716QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 20:46.01 | dataw0lf | or if I'd just be a really big nerd |
| 20:46.10 | dataw0lf | with masochistic tendencies |
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| 20:51.02 | dataw0lf | 0110100001101001 fungus |
| 20:54.21 | dataw0lf | anyone ever used Tapestry? |
| 20:54.32 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 20:56.53 | dataw0lf | I'm compiling sandstorm on a Linux machine right now and the load is going through the roof |
| 20:57.27 | dataw0lf | Like, seriously going up. |
| 20:58.27 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I've heard of Tapestry, if it's the one I think it is. what one are you talking about? |
| 20:59.41 | dataw0lf | Java web app framework |
| 20:59.55 | bigdog_ut | i have used it |
| 21:00.28 | dataw0lf | what's up with this load when I'm compiling the sandStorm tree? |
| 21:01.05 | bigdog_ut | what are you compiling tapestry? |
| 21:02.38 | dataw0lf | nevermind, I found the answer |
| 21:02.52 | dataw0lf | apparently when you're using the IBM JDK on an Linux SMP machine, this happens |
| 21:02.58 | dataw0lf | IBM sux |
| 21:04.03 | bigdog_ut | yeah i dont use ibm jdk much to compile |
| 21:04.18 | bigdog_ut | i use sun for most compiles |
| 21:04.32 | bigdog_ut | gcj is really good to though |
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| 22:15.12 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 22:17.11 | timinator | bigdog_ut ping |
| 22:39.27 | dataw0lf | yum beer at the office |
| 22:39.32 | dataw0lf | and Chimay Blue, even |
| 22:39.54 | timinator | mmmm beer at the office |
| 22:44.18 | dataw0lf | pretty sweet |
| 22:46.17 | synic | dataw0lf: http://binary.twi.gs/wtf.txt |
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| 23:11.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Can someone take a look at http://www.voip-call.us/signup/provisioning.php in both IE and FF? |
| 23:12.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Click "Show Stuff" to see the problem. (Click the grey to make it go away.) |
| 23:12.28 | wps | works in Safari |
| 23:12.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Look at reddit.com (can't be signed in) to see the same thing working in both browsers |
| 23:13.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I copied the code from them so I don't see why mine's borked and theirs works |
| 23:13.15 | synic | all kinds of broken in IE |
| 23:13.19 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah :( |
| 23:14.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone know why or is this an issue for the mailing list? |
| 23:15.05 | bigdog_ut | synic that guy is an idiot |
| 23:15.16 | synic | hehe, yeah |
| 23:15.19 | synic | he cracked me up |
| 23:15.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Mailing list it is. |
| 23:15.23 | Lone_Wanderer | What guy? |
| 23:15.41 | synic | http://binary.twi.gs/wtf.txt <-- this guy |
| 23:20.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Yep. |
| 23:20.10 | Lone_Wanderer | He's an idiot. An amusing one at least. |
| 23:21.12 | wps | I won't have time to dig through your code until this evening, but if it helps, I know this code works cross-browser |
| 23:21.35 | wps | I consider this the best out-of-the-box solution for what you're trying to do |
| 23:21.35 | wps | http://jquery.com/demo/thickbox/ |
| 23:24.35 | Lone_Wanderer | cool thanks |
| 23:25.34 | dataw0lf | question mac / anyone else: Making MySQL connections, if the max_connections setting in the config is reached in a PHP script, will the PHP script typically keep on trying to make a connection, and if it can't, timeout? |
| 23:27.00 | fungus | No. it does not automatically try again. |
| 23:27.18 | fungus | It just returns false, and sets the error to "Too Many Connections". |
| 23:27.42 | dataw0lf | thanks fungus |
| 23:27.53 | macnewbold | fungus is right, dataw0lf |
| 23:27.57 | macnewbold | it returns an error |
| 23:28.01 | macnewbold | and you can retry if you want |
| 23:28.06 | dataw0lf | has to be in a loop somewhere then |
| 23:28.15 | macnewbold | that's what we usually do |
| 23:28.29 | macnewbold | with a limit on how many times it will retry, and controls on how fast it retries |
| 23:28.37 | dataw0lf | while(!connected) { connect() } is somewhere in here, I bet. |
| 23:28.43 | macnewbold | I've never had the too many connections one that I can recall |
| 23:29.07 | dataw0lf | we have really, really heavily used websites here |
| 23:29.15 | fungus | I have been plagued by it every time I have to lock all the tables. |
| 23:29.19 | dataw0lf | and only 300 max connections were in the mysql.cnf on this server |
| 23:30.06 | fungus | I have 768 max_connections, but only average around 200-250 |
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| 23:30.31 | macnewbold | maybe it is keeping the connections open too long? if your web server will reuse persistent connections (one per process), then use them, but we ended up turning ours off cause it wouldn't reuse it if it was to a different database or different user, |
| 23:30.31 | fungus | But when I have to lock tables for replication fixing, or other maintenance, all hell breaks loose. :( |
| 23:30.42 | macnewbold | so they were all staying open for a long time |
| 23:30.46 | macnewbold | instead of going away quickly |
| 23:31.13 | fungus | Good db design will greatly help too. |
| 23:33.18 | dataw0lf | we're reusing persistent connections |
| 23:34.04 | fungus | slow queries combined w/ persistent connections can be bad. |
| 23:34.29 | dataw0lf | yea. I thought of that. but this query is pretty dang simple, and the database isn't all that large. |
| 23:34.52 | dataw0lf | I just told the programmers to look through their code while I raise the max connections. |
| 23:37.23 | macnewbold | your db server can probably handle more cnxns without too many headaches |
| 23:37.24 | dataw0lf | Rackspace sucks, by the way. |
| 23:37.28 | macnewbold | haha |
| 23:37.33 | macnewbold | I'll make a mental note of that |
| 23:37.41 | macnewbold | can I ask why? |
| 23:39.18 | dataw0lf | yea, the other members of our team all have specialties, because we're a senior team and we're responsible for other teams. I was brought on as the network / sys admin specialist, and the 'Linux Administrator III's had been giving the standard cold shoul< |
| 23:39.25 | dataw0lf | so, uh, yea, they tried that with me |
| 23:39.44 | dataw0lf | you know, 'fancy' word dropping, talking out their butt |
| 23:40.27 | dataw0lf | after I had fried them (eventually there were three of them on the conference line) for a good twenty minutes, they had the audacity to complain about me complaining |
| 23:40.32 | dataw0lf | and one of my primary complaints? |
| 23:40.48 | dataw0lf | they changed our automatic backup time from 2 am to FIVE PM without notification |
| 23:41.10 | dataw0lf | so, yea |
| 23:41.12 | dataw0lf | Rackspace sucks |
| 23:41.58 | fungus | 5pm, now that is completely retarted. |
| 23:42.10 | dataw0lf | seriously, that's how they introduce themselves over there at Rackspace. 'Hi, this is Steve, Linux Administrator III' |
| 23:42.18 | dataw0lf | 'oh, this Josh, High Klingon Commander of the 7th Fleet' |
| 23:42.41 | timinator | Oh, that Josh |
| 23:42.54 | dataw0lf | s/this/this is |
| 23:42.55 | fungus | Qapla' |
| 23:43.12 | dataw0lf | should I have said it in Klingon? |
| 23:43.20 | dataw0lf | probably, we're a proud race |
| 23:44.42 | beandog | I wish people at work would address me as Captain Steve. |
| 23:44.50 | beandog | I'm still training them. |
| 23:45.03 | Lone_Wanderer | One of my co-workers calls me "Magic Dan". I'm not sure how I feel about that. |
| 23:45.32 | timinator | it may be a little sacrilegious, but here they call me god. |
| 23:45.47 | timinator | :) |
| 23:46.45 | dataw0lf | I'm addressed as 'Sir', or 'His Sirness' |
| 23:46.47 | bigdog_ut | i have this perl problem where it makes all the colors on my monitor go pickle up |
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| 23:47.14 | dataw0lf | on your MONITOR? |
| 23:47.25 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:47.39 | dataw0lf | what's the perl code do? |
| 23:47.55 | timinator | has anyone seen the Big Lebowski? |
| 23:48.04 | dataw0lf | Of course. |
| 23:48.05 | dataw0lf | Greatest |
| 23:48.06 | dataw0lf | Movie |
| 23:48.07 | dataw0lf | Ever |
| 23:48.24 | timinator | I'm sometimes referred to as "The Dude" |
| 23:48.38 | dataw0lf | whatever Donnie |
| 23:48.44 | beandog | er, rug. |
| 23:48.44 | beandog | dangit. |
| 23:48.50 | bigdog_ut | they call me donnie baker |
| 23:48.50 | dataw0lf | you're out of your element, Donnie. |
| 23:48.51 | timinator | Donnie, you're out of your element here |
| 23:48.54 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:48.58 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 23:49.04 | bigdog_ut | i'm donnie baker man |
| 23:49.11 | dataw0lf | dude, John Goodman is the greatest in that movie |
| 23:49.23 | timinator | Careful man, we're dealin' with a beverage here |
| 23:49.34 | timinator | totally |
| 23:49.35 | mindjuju | because my office has all the windows blacked out and has no light source other than a 20 gal aquarium they call me batman cause i sit in a dark cave |
| 23:49.48 | Lone_Wanderer | There's a "F*#@ing Short Version" of the Big Lebowski out there somewhere |
| 23:50.01 | timinator | mindjuju: nice |
| 23:50.13 | dataw0lf | Nihilists! **** me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. |
| 23:50.29 | timinator | ROTFLOL |
| 23:50.41 | dataw0lf | No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of. |
| 23:51.09 | timinator | what are we talking about here? a toe? I can get you a toe by next week! |
| 23:51.29 | timinator | "These are our concerns Dude" |
| 23:51.31 | dataw0lf | with polish |
| 23:51.38 | dataw0lf | Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. |
| 23:51.43 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:52.34 | dataw0lf | Of course the car made it home, you're calling me at home. No, Walter, it did NOT look like Larry was about to crack! |
| 23:52.40 | dataw0lf | most quotable movie ever |
| 23:52.56 | timinator | totally |
| 23:53.08 | timinator | "Look out that window Larry" |
| 23:53.18 | timinator | This is what happens Larry |
| 23:53.31 | timinator | dude, I have a story |
| 23:53.34 | dataw0lf | THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU **** A STRANGER IN THE *** |
| 23:53.52 | timinator | We had a guy in another state that owed us money |
| 23:53.57 | timinator | his name was larry |
| 23:54.04 | timinator | we went down to talk to him |
| 23:54.22 | timinator | and quoted that part of the movie the whole way down there |
| 23:54.28 | dataw0lf | onny was a good bowler, and a good man. He was one of us. He was a man who loved the outdoors... and bowling, and as a surfer he explored the beaches of Southern California, from La Jolla to Leo Carrillo and... up to... Pismo. He died, like so many young m< |
| 23:54.42 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:54.59 | timinator | and he's got the can of Folgers |
| 23:55.08 | dataw0lf | You're killing your father, Larry! |
| 23:55.12 | dataw0lf | omg, the can of Folgers |
| 23:56.00 | fungus | My boss just gave a big web dev project to a newbie tech support guy, who has never seen PHP. |
| 23:56.03 | dataw0lf | Your revolution is over, Mr. Lebowski. Condolences. The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? THE BUMS WILL ALWAYS LOSE! |
| 23:56.58 | timinator | that's sucks fungus |
| 23:57.04 | Lone_Wanderer | that is sucks? |
| 23:57.36 | timinator | sorry... doing 16 things at once |
| 23:57.44 | dataw0lf | alright, I'm outta here gentlemen |
| 23:57.46 | timinator | THAT SUCKS |
| 23:57.49 | dataw0lf | thanks for your help fungus, macnewbold |
| 23:57.51 | timinator | later dw |
| 23:57.56 | fungus | later |
| 23:57.56 | macnewbold | no prob dw |
| 23:57.57 | dataw0lf | timinator: I know, it's ok, I'll be back tomorrow |
| 23:57.58 | macnewbold | see ya |
| 23:58.00 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 23:58.02 | dataw0lf | cya |
| 23:58.04 | Lone_Wanderer | later, whoever's leaving |
| 23:58.39 | macnewbold | fungus: are you taking bets on how long it takes your boss to realize that he made a big boo-boo by handing that to a clueless newbie? |
| 23:59.04 | macnewbold | or how long it takes the newbie to figure out he's in way over his head? |
| 23:59.09 | Lone_Wanderer | "But we're saving so much money!" |
| 23:59.13 | macnewbold | or how long it takes him to quit? |
| 23:59.23 | macnewbold | or how long it takes before he figures out his paychecks all bounce? ;) |
| 23:59.27 | Lone_Wanderer | One of the charming qualities of newbies is that they never realize they're in over their head. |
| 23:59.42 | macnewbold | yep, they usually just keep digging deeper |
| 23:59.46 | fungus | the newbie has C++ experience to his credit, that will help a bit. |
