| 00:00.06 | timinator | hey guys |
| 00:00.32 | timinator | why would one "define" a string rather than putting it in a var? |
| 00:00.51 | beandog | $foo = (string)'foo'; |
| 00:00.53 | beandog | like that? |
| 00:00.59 | timinator | no... |
| 00:01.02 | beandog | doh. |
| 00:01.36 | timinator | define("FOO", 100); |
| 00:02.06 | timinator | so then instead of using $foo, you'd use FOO |
| 00:02.32 | timinator | echo "I have " . FOO . " dollars"; |
| 00:03.09 | timinator | so I take it that you wouldn't do that |
| 00:03.29 | _psychic_ | if you want a constant |
| 00:03.40 | timinator | huh? |
| 00:03.54 | timinator | but a var can be used wherever |
| 00:04.33 | _psychic_ | yes but you can you redefine FOO? |
| 00:05.14 | timinator | are you asking? I dunno |
| 00:06.03 | _psychic_ | no you can't |
| 00:06.05 | _psychic_ | that's why you'd do it |
| 00:06.14 | timinator | OH |
| 00:06.16 | _psychic_ | if you want to set a value that you don't want changed |
| 00:06.16 | timinator | gotcha |
| 00:10.04 | timinator | does it use more/less memory? |
| 00:11.23 | _psychic_ | maybe a little less, but I don't think its significant |
| 00:12.26 | timinator | how would it work if defined in a class? $this->FOO? |
| 00:12.40 | timinator | or just FOO |
| 00:12.55 | _psychic_ | just FOO I think |
| 00:13.11 | timinator | right on, thanks |
| 00:13.19 | _psychic_ | $this->FOO would have to be defined as var $FOO = ... in the class definition. |
| 00:14.03 | timinator | right, but then in the class' functions, FOO could still be referenced with "FOO" |
| 00:14.49 | _psychic_ | I think so. Try it. |
| 00:14.50 | timinator | cool, thanks dude |
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| 00:58.49 | timinator | I'm out guys. later |
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| 02:34.43 | mindjuju | sup yo |
| 02:36.27 | burnin | nada |
| 02:37.29 | burnin | hmm, was attempting a bittorrent download of ubuntu CD, but it seems to have dried up. |
| 02:37.44 | burnin | guess I'll just grab the CD from u of u's server. |
| 02:40.53 | mindjuju | yeah, i think that is where i got my isos when i got it about a month ago |
| 02:41.24 | burnin | so a basic ubuntu install only requires one CD? |
| 02:42.18 | mindjuju | lets see, ubuntu server dapper dan |
| 02:42.44 | mindjuju | doesn't seem like it took very long to get |
| 02:43.01 | burnin | I'm just curious if its going to do a bunch of downloading to complete the install. |
| 02:56.38 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 02:56.59 | mindjuju | ~insult jbot |
| 02:57.07 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 03:20.45 | burnin | mindjuju, do you select design patterns for each application you work on, i.e. factory pattern, singleton patter, etc.? |
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| 04:16.38 | mindjuju | good ole' el_gaucho |
| 04:16.46 | mindjuju | is it snowing up there? |
| 04:17.00 | el_gaucho | not right now...but we got about 1in |
| 04:18.10 | mindjuju | yeah, for all the fuss they were making, i'm a little disappointed |
| 04:18.22 | el_gaucho | yeah im very disappointed |
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| 04:24.24 | mindjuju | hey utah_dave |
| 04:24.39 | mindjuju | any snow on that side of the point? |
| 04:24.48 | Utah_Dave | hey |
| 04:25.02 | Utah_Dave | I don't see any right here |
| 04:25.40 | Utah_Dave | There was a fair amount of snow up at Camp Williams |
| 04:25.47 | mindjuju | yeah, none on this side of the point either |
| 04:31.00 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: aren't we on the same side of the point? Or are you at work? |
| 04:31.16 | mindjuju | i'm at work right now |
| 04:31.28 | mindjuju | got a headache though so i'm coming to that side in like 10 minutes |
| 04:31.41 | mindjuju | i work in draper, right off 12300 south so |
| 04:31.48 | mindjuju | live on one side of the point, work on the other |
| 04:31.59 | Utah_Dave | that's right. Where we had the last meeting |
| 04:32.03 | mindjuju | yup |
| 04:32.07 | mindjuju | fun, huh? |
| 04:32.07 | Utah_Dave | I should have remembered that |
| 04:32.14 | Utah_Dave | be careful on the icy roads |
| 04:32.15 | mindjuju | course, you don't work to far from me either, do you? |
| 04:32.51 | Utah_Dave | no, just on the other side of the valley |
| 04:36.56 | beandog | http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20061103.html |
| 04:36.58 | beandog | lmao |
| 04:37.46 | atoponce | lol |
| 04:38.03 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 04:38.43 | Utah_Dave | did you try the previous day's comic? http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20061102.html |
| 04:38.48 | mindjuju | that was funny |
| 04:39.24 | atoponce | heh |
| 04:39.32 | atoponce | poor wally. what did he ever do? |
| 04:39.58 | mindjuju | atoponce, you sure know your stuff about tvs and dvds |
| 04:40.21 | atoponce | i worked in the industry for roughly 4 years. |
| 04:40.41 | mindjuju | it was pretty cool to get some of that stuff explained |
| 04:41.17 | atoponce | yeah. it's really not that hard to grasp. it's just learning the vocab and straigtening it all out. :) |
| 04:43.03 | atoponce | what's interesting is the date that congress keeps pushing back for shutting off analog broadcasts |
| 04:43.30 | atoponce | it was supposed to be 1st quarter 2006. now it's feb 2009. |
| 04:44.24 | atoponce | the trick though, is the market needs to bet at loast 12% saturated before that happens, iirc. |
| 04:44.33 | atoponce | and we're not there yet... :( |
| 04:45.05 | atoponce | *bet *least |
| 04:45.09 | atoponce | *be |
| 04:45.12 | atoponce | i can type |
| 04:45.41 | mindjuju | yeah, i've heard something about that |
| 04:45.53 | mindjuju | and those who don't have digital can get a cheap box or something |
| 04:46.12 | atoponce | yeah. there will be set-top converters, like the old cable box days |
| 04:50.39 | atoponce | hehe. i remember when my mom purchased a vcr. i was like 7 or something |
| 04:51.04 | atoponce | it weighed like 500 tons, silver, large buttons, a wired remote, and the cassette loaded from the top |
| 04:51.33 | atoponce | sad thing? it was like $1500! |
| 04:51.42 | mindjuju | in my day, we didn't have this fancy shmancy digital conversion box! We had a thing on our tv called a rabbit head to get signal from the air. AND WE LIKED IT! and every now and then we had to move the rabbit ears around to get better signal and if that didn't work, we'd have to stay with the rabbit head moving the ears back and forth while my old man was watching football |
| 04:51.45 | mindjuju | and we liked it! |
| 04:51.55 | Utah_Dave | I remember my dad and his best friend trying to set the time on my dad's vcr |
| 04:52.18 | Utah_Dave | I was sitting behind them thinking "Just press that button! then the other button!!!!" |
| 04:52.21 | atoponce | mindjuju: don't forget the tin foil for extra reception |
| 04:52.32 | Utah_Dave | Finally I got fed up watching them and pushed my way between them and set the time |
| 04:52.34 | mindjuju | yeah, and the tin foil! |
| 04:53.15 | atoponce | Utah_Dave: haha. the sad thing, after all these years, you would think alarm clocks and vcrs etc would have non-volitile ram with a backup cell battery |
| 04:53.27 | atoponce | what would that cost? like $0.05?? |
| 04:53.42 | mindjuju | true that |
| 04:54.08 | Utah_Dave | guys, sorry to jump back to an old conversation, but here's another great dilbert. |
| 04:54.10 | Utah_Dave | http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20061121.html |
| 04:55.21 | atoponce | dilbert, foxtrot, ctrl+alt+del, user friendly and penny arcade are my daily morning routine. :) |
| 05:01.27 | mindjuju | utah_dave, this reminds me of eBay |
| 05:01.27 | mindjuju | http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20061105.html |
| 05:01.40 | mindjuju | well, let me clarify, eBay here in SLC |
| 05:02.19 | Utah_Dave | ha! that's awesome |
| 05:02.41 | Utah_Dave | sounds like the State of Utah Government/Utah Army National Guard |
| 05:04.29 | atoponce | http://xkcd.com/c188.html |
| 05:05.17 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 05:12.03 | mindjuju | i'm gone, gents, cya tomorrow in the am |
| 05:14.04 | atoponce | laterz |
| 05:19.06 | Utah_Dave | later |
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| 13:36.33 | timinator | morning ladies |
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| 15:13.30 | Utah_Dave | If I want to pass a variable by reference to a function, do I just put the ampersand in the function definition? Or do I use an ampersand when I call the function? |
| 15:13.55 | Utah_Dave | myfunc(@$myvar){ return } |
| 15:15.35 | Utah_Dave | from what I've found so far, it looks like you only have to put it in the function definition |
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| 15:39.35 | mindjuju | morning all |
| 15:42.00 | timinator | morning mindjuju |
| 15:42.56 | beandog | ey |
| 15:47.45 | timinator | I'm out for a sec |
| 15:47.47 | timinator | BRB |
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| 16:42.26 | mindjuju | sup dw |
| 16:42.40 | dataw0lf | not much, just plowing painfully through some javascript. |
| 16:43.01 | timinator | we're plowing through snow |
| 16:43.16 | timinator | ....painfully |
| 16:43.20 | mindjuju | did it snow up there timinator? |
| 16:43.23 | timinator | yep |
| 16:43.26 | timinator | it is now |
| 16:43.32 | mindjuju | we didn't get so much as an inch |
| 16:43.37 | timinator | car lock was frozen too |
| 16:43.49 | mindjuju | wow! |
| 16:43.52 | dataw0lf | I got 6 inches last night |
| 16:44.00 | mindjuju | yuck! |
| 16:44.08 | dataw0lf | and had a bear trying to hibernate in my parents' snow tunnel, apparently. |
| 16:44.12 | timinator | dang dataw0lf |
| 16:44.25 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:44.32 | timinator | a bear? |
| 16:44.34 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: YUCK?! You just haven't discovered the wonders of snowboarding like I have. |
| 16:44.48 | dataw0lf | timinator: Yes. The fattest black bear I have ever seen. |
| 16:45.12 | dataw0lf | one sec, might have pics on my work machine. |
| 16:45.27 | dataw0lf | dang, nope. |
| 16:45.31 | timinator | he was the fattest because he found a great spot to hibernate |
| 16:45.51 | mindjuju | hey, when the moment i click over $20mil, i'm packing the family and headed to a place where there is legend of white things that fall from the sky that is very cold, but it is just that... legend that nobody really believes. |
| 16:45.58 | mindjuju | some place like Bora Bora |
| 16:46.30 | dataw0lf | Baja California, amigo. |
| 16:46.36 | dataw0lf | Right by the beeeeeeeeeeach |
| 16:46.40 | dataw0lf | booyeeee! |
| 16:46.45 | mindjuju | dude, bora bora is all beach |
| 16:47.08 | dataw0lf | yea, but it's not Baja California. |
| 16:47.17 | mindjuju | http://www.rssc.com/rss/ships/PAU/PAU%20Destinations%20DL/Bora-Bora.jpg |
| 16:47.53 | dataw0lf | psh, like, totally photoshopped |
| 16:48.11 | dataw0lf | they took out the poverty stricken native trying to sell you drugs |
| 16:48.11 | mindjuju | ! |
| 16:48.17 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:48.18 | mindjuju | http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac57219/bora%20bora.jpg |
| 16:48.23 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 16:48.26 | timinator | too true dataw0lf |
| 16:48.47 | mindjuju | that island on the left is where i'm eating breakfast, the one in the middle is where i'm eating lunch and the one on the right is where i'm having my dinner |
| 16:48.51 | dataw0lf | ok, ok, that's purty cool, mindjuju. |
| 16:49.05 | timinator | NICE mindjuju |
| 16:49.36 | dataw0lf | http://www.gorzow.mm.pl/~bebelebe/Puerto%20Vallarta,%20Mexico.jpg check that out son |
| 16:50.01 | dataw0lf | http://tepserver.ucsd.edu/~krodriguez/Images/Puerto%20Vallarta.jpg |
| 16:50.08 | dataw0lf | I didn't see any good looking girls in YOUR pics |
| 16:51.26 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 16:51.38 | timinator | NICE dataw0lf |
| 16:51.39 | mindjuju | you got me there, nothing but gappy tooth women go to bora bora |
| 16:51.41 | mindjuju | like this one |
| 16:51.42 | mindjuju | http://www.nicolekidman.com.ar/pictures/nicole-kidman5.jpg |
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| 16:52.11 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Yea, but Nicole Kidman doesn't count, she was married to a Scientologist. |
| 16:52.55 | mindjuju | course though, it isn't so much who goes there |
| 16:53.04 | mindjuju | as it is that it is nice and quiet and pretty |
| 16:53.16 | dataw0lf | so is my girlfriend. |
| 16:53.47 | dataw0lf | well |
| 16:53.52 | dataw0lf | I guess she isn't really nice |
| 16:53.58 | dataw0lf | and definitely not quiet |
| 16:54.04 | mindjuju | and i'm going to have satalite uplink, laptop, sailboat and some fishing line |
| 16:54.06 | dataw0lf | she looks good though |
| 16:54.17 | timinator | when I hit $20 million, I'm going to carry $20K in cash like Woz |
| 16:54.21 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: dude. you can't steal my idea of living on a yacht in paradise. |
| 16:54.24 | dataw0lf | I thought of it first. |
| 16:54.35 | dataw0lf | Woz carries 20k on him? |
| 16:54.40 | timinator | yessir |
| 16:54.55 | dataw0lf | ho man. better not go to any convention I attend |
| 16:55.04 | dataw0lf | I'll knock him out with a 1st generation ipod to the head |
| 16:55.11 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:56.12 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: just joking, you know you can always anchor your boat in my dock any time you want |
| 16:56.13 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 16:56.36 | dataw0lf | time to go back to coding |
| 16:57.33 | wps | my pet peeve of the day: |
| 16:58.02 | wps | It drives me crazy when companies—in advertisements (radio usually)—ask customers to "log onto their website" |
| 16:58.09 | wps | …when they really me "visit their website" |
| 16:59.16 | wps | you _can_ log into many websites, such as logging in to an account to make a purchase or to do certain things, but I hate how many use the term "log on" to mean load a web page |
| 16:59.18 | wps | arg |
| 17:00.07 | dataw0lf | Blast them and their inaccurate semantics! |
| 17:00.20 | dataw0lf | does anyone else hum the Jurassic Park theme when coding constantly? |
| 17:00.29 | wps | ha ha |
| 17:00.30 | wps | no |
| 17:00.47 | dataw0lf | darn |
| 17:01.32 | beandog | it comes from the old days when you had to log on to do *anything* with the internet. |
| 17:01.44 | beandog | log on, onto foo. |
| 17:03.20 | mindjuju | oh YEAH!!! 2400b of xmodem sweetness! |
| 17:03.39 | mindjuju | and wolfenstein took 1 hour to download the astonishing 1mb demo!!! |
| 17:03.57 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:04.00 | mindjuju | course then, we were crusing with our 8bit sound card |
| 17:04.59 | timinator | anybody remember Photoshop 1??? |
| 17:05.25 | mindjuju | don't remember photoshop 1, but i do remember pagemaker when it was Aldus |
| 17:06.34 | timinator | ah, the good ol' days of Aldus PageMaker |
| 17:06.34 | mindjuju | yup, used it to layout many a newspaper |
| 17:06.34 | mindjuju | high school newspaper |
| 17:06.34 | timinator | lol |
| 17:06.37 | dataw0lf | nostalgia amongst geeks always amuses me. |
| 17:06.37 | timinator | when did Adobe buy it? v5? |
| 17:06.55 | dataw0lf | do you remember when AJAX wasn't a buzzword?! |
| 17:07.01 | timinator | LMAO |
| 17:07.03 | timinator | yep |
| 17:07.40 | dataw0lf | because, really, noone here misses their modem. |
| 17:08.13 | mindjuju | i don't know, i kinda do |
| 17:08.22 | mindjuju | cause with modems you had bbs |
| 17:08.26 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 17:08.30 | mindjuju | and remember how tightknit that was |
| 17:08.35 | dataw0lf | the community that went with the modem, sure. |
| 17:08.46 | dataw0lf | I understand and agree with that. |
| 17:08.49 | dataw0lf | but I don't miss the modem itself. |
| 17:09.09 | beandog | FidoNET |
| 17:09.17 | dataw0lf | Because I remember having to try to download 110 kbs of code, papers, etc, and it was a PITA |
| 17:09.32 | beandog | http://www.fidonet.org/genlinfo.html |
| 17:10.01 | mindjuju | and remember how bbs had cool names -- the ones in houston i used to kick it on were Harry's Asylum, Isle of View, Infinity's Void, Dimension of Eternity & sister site, Dimension of Infinity |
| 17:10.06 | dataw0lf | oh now you're making the baby Jesus weep, beandog |
| 17:11.23 | mindjuju | i was too hooked on bbs that didn't notice FidoNet, though there was one place i got on that offered it |
| 17:11.25 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: twas all about Shadow |
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| 17:14.00 | dataw0lf | I remember joining the hacker community in Chicago shortly after Operation Sundevil. Those were paranoid times. |
| 17:15.15 | mindjuju | yeah, Isle of View was the site of a cracker. membership by sysop referral only |
| 17:15.37 | mindjuju | i was doing a courier for IoV at the time |
| 17:16.50 | mindjuju | course i don't recommend anybody break any laws nor condone violation of the DMCA. Long live those jerks @ the RIAA! |
| 17:16.56 | mindjuju | (not) |
| 17:17.07 | dataw0lf | I spent most of my time HAXING teh GIBSON, disrupting the Matrix and slaying Agents, and starting nuclear wars, during that period. |
| 17:17.08 | dataw0lf | you know |
| 17:17.12 | dataw0lf | regular hax0r stuff. |
| 17:18.09 | dataw0lf | picture a cross betwixt Keanu Reeves, Matthew Broderick, and, uh, Wolverine, and you can get a general picture of what I was like. |
| 17:18.11 | dataw0lf | y'know?! |
| 17:19.42 | dataw0lf | at a phone booth, red boxing. duh! |
| 17:19.48 | dataw0lf | gosh! |
| 17:20.53 | dataw0lf | actually, I think I was usually running laps for the football coach before school. Or sleeping in my car. One of the two. |
| 17:21.26 | mindjuju | i was in the debate room or the library |
| 17:21.43 | mindjuju | i was just thinking though, doesn't seem like we had much of a hacker community at our school at the time |
| 17:22.01 | mindjuju | that would have been 88 - 92 |
| 17:25.17 | dataw0lf | well, when I was living in Indiana, the hacker community was nonexistent, but when I moved back to Chicago, it was booming. |
| 17:26.31 | macnewbold | ~bonk mindjuju |
| 17:26.32 | jbot | ACTION bonks mindjuju over the head |
| 17:26.34 | macnewbold | preps? |
| 17:27.02 | mindjuju | yeah, you know! pastel sweater swung over your shoulder and tied in a knot |
| 17:27.07 | mindjuju | loafer shoes |
| 17:27.44 | dataw0lf | tennis racquet in the locker. |
| 17:27.51 | macnewbold | no, I've pretty much always been a jeans and t-shirt guy |
| 17:27.56 | macnewbold | sometimes a shirt with buttons |
| 17:28.06 | macnewbold | but until lately, never polo shirts or anything like that |
| 17:28.14 | mindjuju | k, be honest. where did you sit before the bell rang in high school? |
| 17:29.04 | dataw0lf | before the bell rang? what does that mean? |
| 17:29.14 | macnewbold | I was usually either over at the Seminary building (that's where my day started), or arrived early to class socializing with the others who did the same (there were quite a few at my school), or in the halls talking with friends |
| 17:29.46 | mindjuju | yeah, but where? |
| 17:29.56 | dataw0lf | I'm confused, why does the location matter? |
| 17:30.18 | mindjuju | where friends near the gym (jocks), out in the parking lot (headbangers), library(nerds), band hall (band faires) |
| 17:30.21 | macnewbold | at the Seminary building, in a classroom or in the halls? |
| 17:30.41 | mindjuju | i was a debater so was in debate room or library |
| 17:30.50 | timinator | how bout the guys just trying to get to school? |
| 17:30.58 | mindjuju | there is that guy too |
| 17:31.01 | dataw0lf | oh, I didn't know your location before the bell rang had anything to do with your social status. |
| 17:31.08 | mindjuju | absolutely! |
| 17:31.19 | mindjuju | it says EVERYTHING about who you were in school |
| 17:31.23 | dataw0lf | huh. |
| 17:31.34 | dataw0lf | well, in that case |
| 17:31.35 | macnewbold | no wonder mindjuju had a hard time being popular... he didn't know the criteria everyone else was using to judge him... |
| 17:31.40 | dataw0lf | I was in the cheerleader's locker room |
| 17:31.54 | timinator | NICE dataw0lf |
| 17:32.00 | timinator | ROTF |
| 17:32.06 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:32.10 | mindjuju | dw - i should have figured dw was horndog in hs |
| 17:32.39 | dataw0lf | hey, somebody had to give em hot oil rubdowns. I was just being responsible. |
| 17:33.05 | mindjuju | true that, and truthfully, much to the envy of practicly every guy in hs |
| 17:33.19 | timinator | no doubt |
| 17:33.27 | timinator | he was the guy they all envied |
| 17:33.45 | dataw0lf | what can I say. I haven't changed much. |
| 17:34.20 | mindjuju | course though, i'd take hot debater chick any day of the week and twice on a Saturday |
| 17:34.48 | dataw0lf | yea, I think we had, uh, 0 of those in my school. |
| 17:35.13 | beandog | you guys in utah suck |
| 17:35.18 | beandog | seminary near the school? |
| 17:35.19 | beandog | buh. |
| 17:35.28 | mindjuju | i'm from houston |
| 17:35.39 | mindjuju | same |
| 17:35.46 | dataw0lf | me too! |
| 17:35.46 | beandog | mindjuju++ |
| 17:35.48 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 17:36.09 | dataw0lf | the only thing I was doing at 5 am was rolling over in my sleep. |
| 17:36.28 | beandog | to make up for all my suffering, I am now going to eat a Milky Way |
| 17:36.38 | mindjuju | lol |
| 17:36.53 | dataw0lf | that's right, drowned your sorrows in chocolate |
| 17:37.13 | Utah_Dave | I'm having a Bash problem. I can run a command from the command line, but when I put it in a .sh file I get an error |
| 17:37.28 | dataw0lf | what's the error |
| 17:37.33 | dataw0lf | and what's the first line of the .sh file |
| 17:37.52 | macnewbold | beandog: yeah, I was up by 5 or 5:30 all four years to get to seminary by 6am too, here in Utah |
| 17:38.28 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: does it have to do with your environment? do you have #!/bin/bash as the first line in your .sh file? is the .sh file executable? |
| 17:38.43 | Utah_Dave | well, I had #!/bin/bash on the first line. but it errored out |
| 17:38.56 | dataw0lf | chmod u+x <file> |
| 17:39.36 | beandog | macnewbold: I thought in Utah it was part of the regular school day or something |
| 17:39.52 | macnewbold | it can be |
| 17:39.58 | Utah_Dave | I just did all that again |
| 17:39.59 | macnewbold | but they offered early morning too when I was in school |
| 17:40.12 | macnewbold | now they only offer it as one of your class periods |
| 17:40.20 | wps | things were different back on the sixties when macnewbold was in school |
| 17:40.23 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: what's it erroring out on? |
| 17:40.24 | macnewbold | haha |
| 17:40.26 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 17:40.28 | dataw0lf | the 1860s |
| 17:40.28 | wps | :) |
| 17:40.28 | Utah_Dave | -bash: ./backup_script.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: no such file or directory |
| 17:40.29 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm not even thirty yet, wps |
| 17:40.35 | wps | j/k |
| 17:40.37 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:40.46 | macnewbold | usually people accuse me of being very young |
| 17:40.52 | macnewbold | (or acting that way) |
| 17:40.55 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: created it in a Windows environment, eh? Remove the ^M |
| 17:41.01 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:42.13 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: you got the command 'dos2unix' on your machine? I think that's the name of the cmd |
| 17:42.21 | dataw0lf | run dos2unix <scriptfile> |
| 17:42.22 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I'm on windows, but I'm using putting to ssh in |
| 17:42.49 | Utah_Dave | crap |
| 17:42.51 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: Right, but the script file itself, you edited it on a Windows machine, right? |
| 17:42.54 | Utah_Dave | that did it, dataw0lf |
| 17:43.13 | dataw0lf | you can also use :set ff=unix in vim |
| 17:43.18 | dataw0lf | and then save the file |
| 17:43.24 | dataw0lf | :wq! |
| 17:43.32 | Utah_Dave | I'm using vim and I thought that it would take care of that for me |
| 17:43.53 | dataw0lf | gotta set it explicitly in most cases |
| 17:43.56 | Utah_Dave | it's nice having linux hackers in the house |
| 17:44.27 | beandog | I cant find any BBS software. |
| 17:44.32 | beandog | I guess I could run one in a dos emulator. |
| 17:44.32 | beandog | meh. |
| 17:44.59 | dataw0lf | I think they MOOs and MUSHes out there that are closely akin to old BBSes |
| 17:45.35 | dataw0lf | s/they/there are |
| 17:48.25 | beandog | ding, fries are done |
| 17:49.35 | dataw0lf | I want some plz |
| 17:49.36 | mindjuju | hmmm... fries |
| 17:49.37 | dataw0lf | kthnx |
| 17:49.47 | beandog | mindjuju: havent you seen bkholiday? |
| 17:51.41 | mindjuju | nope |
| 17:51.51 | dataw0lf | o m g |
| 17:51.56 | beandog | http://www.gdd.net/bkholiday/index.php |
| 17:52.04 | dataw0lf | I am completely retarded |
| 17:52.13 | mindjuju | that reminds me though, i need to get to whopper king to get that new bk xbox game |
| 17:52.17 | mindjuju | looks fun |
| 17:52.49 | dataw0lf | you want to hear how dumb I am? |
| 17:53.14 | mindjuju | yeah, i was wondering what happened |
| 17:54.13 | mindjuju | that's pretty funny beandog |
| 17:54.19 | mindjuju | have you seen subservientchicken? |
| 17:54.20 | mindjuju | http://www.subservientchicken.com/ |
| 17:54.41 | dataw0lf | so I'm making an XHR in this javascript function, and I have an anonymous function that I'm declaring and assigning to the XHR object's onreadystatechange, and I've been getting errors in the container function that my return value is null |
| 17:54.48 | dataw0lf | well |
| 17:55.29 | dataw0lf | after working on this for an hour, completely overthinking it, I figure out that the return for the container function is actually being made in the anonymous function, instead of outside that code block where it's supposed to be |
| 17:56.29 | beandog | no |
| 17:56.29 | beandog | heh |
| 17:56.47 | mindjuju | beandog, there are like 50 commands you can tell it |
| 17:56.49 | beandog | what the crap |
| 17:56.52 | mindjuju | like disco, lay egg |
| 17:56.58 | mindjuju | the funniest though is strip |
| 17:57.03 | beandog | oh man |
| 17:57.05 | beandog | Im scared |
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| 18:08.52 | macnewbold | hm, chicken strips? |
| 18:09.14 | mindjuju | yeah, try it, its SFW |
| 18:15.12 | dataw0lf | I like the 'smoke crack' one |
| 18:15.25 | mindjuju | i haven't tried that |
| 18:16.33 | mindjuju | looks like he's just smoking. doesn't crack have to be done in a bong? |
| 18:17.11 | dataw0lf | no, you don't smoke crack from a bong. |
| 18:17.20 | mindjuju | huka? |
| 18:17.25 | dataw0lf | hehe, no |
| 18:17.29 | dataw0lf | (hookah) |
| 18:17.38 | dataw0lf | you smoke crack from a crackpipe |
| 18:17.39 | bigdog_ut | i like pixies |
| 18:17.52 | dataw0lf | the pixies? |
| 18:17.57 | synic | *barf* |
| 18:18.00 | mindjuju | i wonder if you can smoke crack with a roach clip |
| 18:18.02 | bigdog_ut | stickes |
| 18:18.15 | dataw0lf | man, I knew that was coming |
| 18:18.28 | bigdog_ut | synic loves the pixies |
| 18:18.34 | dataw0lf | he sure does |
| 18:18.38 | dataw0lf | I think he stole my Pixies shirt. |
| 18:18.42 | synic | I wonder if a roach smokes pixies in the crack behind the stove. |
| 18:19.00 | mindjuju | that's too funny |
| 18:19.21 | mindjuju | well, sad to say but that's the extent of my knowledge on drugs |
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| 18:19.34 | dataw0lf | I don't think there's anything sad about it. |
| 18:20.53 | dataw0lf | I turned into a martian woah oh oh |
| 18:21.39 | dataw0lf | dang dude, my gum is gone, I need a cigarette now. |
| 18:21.51 | bigdog_ut | ~smack dataw0lf |
| 18:21.59 | jbot | ACTION smacks dataw0lf upside the head. |
| 18:22.06 | dataw0lf | well now I need a cigarette to kill the pain! |
| 18:22.07 | dataw0lf | brb |
| 18:22.12 | bigdog_ut | the bigdog_ut needs some lunch |
| 18:22.42 | mindjuju | i like people who refer to themselves in the 3rd person |
| 18:22.47 | mindjuju | i think more people should do it |
| 18:22.58 | bigdog_ut | the bigdog_ut htinks so too |
| 18:23.40 | mindjuju | i think i'm going to start speaking in the present perfect tense all the time |
| 18:23.53 | mindjuju | (provided i remember what that is) |
| 18:26.51 | mindjuju | oh yeah, i remember now |
| 18:26.56 | mindjuju | http://web2.uvcs.uvic.ca/elc/studyzone/410/grammar/pperf.htm |
| 18:27.13 | dataw0lf | present perfect is like |
| 18:27.26 | dataw0lf | dataw0lf has just killed JavaScript |
| 18:27.35 | mindjuju | lol |
| 18:27.40 | mindjuju | whoops! |
| 18:28.51 | dataw0lf | unfortunately, that knowledge comes from the mistake of dating too many English majors |
| 18:29.26 | dataw0lf | "Oh, jeez, please don't use "ain't"" |
| 18:29.34 | dataw0lf | "Well, Josh ain't buyin dinner now." |
| 18:31.28 | dataw0lf | I usually postfix that with a "Woman!", too |
| 18:31.43 | dataw0lf | that, my friends, is why I'm not getting married at any point in the near future. |
| 18:42.38 | synic | I haven't seen this chix. Link plz. |
| 18:48.33 | bigdog_ut | http://www.kde-look.org/content/files/10584-dressel.jpg |
| 18:48.54 | bigdog_ut | lol that is not her though |
| 18:49.08 | beandog | oh *my* |
| 18:49.08 | mindjuju | yeah, was going to say |
| 18:49.08 | mindjuju | she was a blonde i thought |
| 18:49.15 | mindjuju | who dressed in the same outfit and went to the conventions |
| 18:49.26 | beandog | now thats taking fanboyism a bit too far |
| 18:49.31 | bigdog_ut | http://www.linux-sottises.net/images/ms_bug.gif |
| 18:49.48 | bigdog_ut | roflol |
| 18:50.19 | mindjuju | that is funny |
| 18:50.35 | bigdog_ut | i think mindjuju this is hte one http://gallery.ignition-project.com/d/248-2/freebsd-new-logo.jpg |
| 18:50.45 | bigdog_ut | but it is freebsd |
| 18:51.13 | mindjuju | oh, was it for freebsd? |
| 18:51.24 | mindjuju | for some reason thought it was debian, but could be wrong |
| 18:51.41 | bigdog_ut | check the link above |
| 18:51.54 | mindjuju | yeah, i saw the second one posted |
| 18:51.59 | bigdog_ut | i got in major trouble at one job for a nice background with this http://www.anvari.org/db/fun/Computer/FreeBSD_Fs_Linux.jpg |
| 18:52.37 | mindjuju | can't imagine why |
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| 18:53.42 | bigdog_ut | the guy that reported it to hr was an emac user |
| 18:56.42 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:01.11 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: no, no, I'm not going to marry that woman dressed up as the Debian Logo |
| 19:01.15 | dataw0lf | I'm going to marry Debian. |
| 19:01.20 | dataw0lf | Period. |
| 19:01.48 | mindjuju | curious |
| 19:03.41 | burnin | dataw0lf, make sure the jewelry shop will take the ring back in case your proposal doesn't go off as planned. |
| 19:09.12 | macnewbold | is debian a girl or a boy? |
| 19:09.52 | dataw0lf | none of your business |
| 19:10.03 | dataw0lf | hey, does this link work for you guys? : |
| 19:10.05 | dataw0lf | http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=473977 |
| 19:10.36 | burnin | was it supposed to show an image? cause it didin't. |
| 19:10.46 | burnin | WARNING: The following image is in the Screenshots category. |
| 19:10.53 | dataw0lf | can you follow the image (view this image anyway) |
| 19:11.09 | burnin | that worked |
| 19:11.15 | dataw0lf | huh |
| 19:11.17 | dataw0lf | k |
| 19:11.54 | burnin | wow, some nasty stuff in the left hand column |
| 19:12.03 | burnin | not something I'd repeat in here. :O |
| 19:14.38 | dataw0lf | in my screenshot? |
| 19:15.02 | burnin | no, ads |
| 19:15.45 | dataw0lf | oh |
| 19:16.51 | dataw0lf | I never pay attention to ads |
| 19:18.13 | burnin | me neither, I just ignore it, but lets just say Yarro and his CP80 buddies wouldn't be happy with it. ;) |
| 19:19.03 | dataw0lf | Yarro? |
| 19:19.20 | burnin | local guy, Ralph Yarro |
| 19:19.26 | burnin | did I spell it wrong? |
| 19:19.37 | dataw0lf | I'm not local anymore :) |
| 19:19.51 | burnin | www.cp80.org |
| 19:20.35 | burnin | put anything nasty on port 80 and Yarro will have you jailed, if your outside of US jurisdiction he'll just firewall the states from your entire country. |
| 19:21.19 | dataw0lf | pfft |
| 19:21.21 | dataw0lf | that's ridiculous. |
| 19:21.42 | burnin | He has the support of Orrin Hatch. |
| 19:21.48 | burnin | :) |
| 19:22.10 | dataw0lf | Orrin Hatch is like the Darth Vader of the internet. |
| 19:22.38 | burnin | yeah, I tried to fix that a coupla weeks ago, but I guess one vote isn't enough. |
| 19:23.53 | dataw0lf | oh well, he's pretty harmless now they he won't get any funds |
| 19:24.34 | dataw0lf | let's see you get some money from Appropriations nooooooooow Hatch! muhahaha |
| 19:25.40 | dataw0lf | you know you're living in a crazy age when the Democrats have to come in to stop spending. |
| 19:26.07 | burnin | yep, bizarre |
| 19:26.58 | dataw0lf | well, the Bush administration's long term goal was to bankrupt the government and privatize everything, but thankfully that plan has been stopped in it's tracks. |
| 19:27.21 | burnin | heh, locally there was a proposition to raise taxes, on the local news Matheson, who easily won reelection, was being given crap by reporters about raising taxes because he is a Democrat, and yet everyone voted for the tax increase! |
| 19:28.28 | dataw0lf | I mean, if you want to be in Iraq, you better shut your mouth and just take the tax increases. The funny thing is, the people who want to be there don't seem to realize that, uh, yea, it costs money. |
| 19:29.39 | dataw0lf | and while your Republican representatives were creating various branches of government and spending money like a drunken Kennedy, they kinda neglected to let you know |
| 19:30.03 | burnin | lol |
| 19:30.21 | burnin | yep, I didn't vote for them, but they are my reps. :( |
| 19:31.01 | dataw0lf | I like certain Republicans. it's just this certain batch of Bush fanatic followers makes my skin crawl. |
| 19:32.15 | dataw0lf | thankfully, balance has been brought back to the Force. It doesn't matter what party you're talking about, if they control every branch of the government soley, you're going to have some major problems. |
| 19:32.21 | burnin | yes, I'm actually more of a conservative and I actually don't have a problem with many of Orrin's voting, but wow the republicans are getting way right extreme. |
| 19:32.23 | dataw0lf | as witnessed by the last four or five years. |
| 19:33.03 | dataw0lf | well, the republicans aren't honestly way right extreme, Rove just hatched that plan to pander to the evangelicals and it worked pretty well |
| 19:33.53 | burnin | yeah, our reps need to get down to business on what really matters for the future of this country, doesn't matter if their Dem or Rep. |
| 19:33.59 | dataw0lf | most of them are actually pretty moderate, but the Bush administration has such a stranglehold over all of them, it's like 1930s Germany on the Hill. |
| 19:34.11 | dataw0lf | well, there need to be some impeachments |
| 19:35.12 | dataw0lf | bring some accountability around, get some testimony under oath |
| 19:35.28 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I honestly haven't met one single person who is. |
| 19:35.48 | mindjuju | i could *understand* that he wrote the dmca, though i personally hate the legislation myself |
| 19:35.58 | burnin | mindjuju, what you don't think we need legislation that creates exceptions to the law for organizations like the RIAA? |
| 19:36.00 | mindjuju | but that he took 125k in campaign contributions from the RIAA |
| 19:36.14 | mindjuju | that's just bad |
| 19:36.30 | dataw0lf | they all take money |
| 19:36.42 | burnin | mindjuju, what does the privacy, personal freedom and property of an ordinary citizen when you have big corporate reps like the RIAA to take care of. |
| 19:36.43 | burnin | :) |
| 19:36.44 | dataw0lf | we need to get rid of THAT asap, or our country is dearly screwed. |
| 19:36.53 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 19:36.59 | dataw0lf | burnin: Hey, corporations have more rights than us. |
| 19:37.10 | dataw0lf | I, for one, welcome our new Corporate Overlords. |
| 19:37.23 | mindjuju | where's fungus at a time like this. he and i see eye to eye on the dmca |
| 19:37.24 | burnin | dataw0lf, yes, but they paid for those rights, didn't they? |
| 19:37.53 | dataw0lf | burnin: True that! The more money ya got, the more rights you have. Yay for corporate 'democracy'! |
| 19:37.59 | burnin | the US citizenship has just been out bid, thats all. |
| 19:38.05 | mindjuju | have ya'll seen the quote from Orrin that says that in enforcing the DMCA they should be allowed to "blow up" our computers |
| 19:38.55 | dataw0lf | here's what I believe in: remove corporate personhood, socialize health care, completely socialize criminal legal representation, and kick the lobbyists off the hill. |
| 19:39.03 | burnin | dataw0lf, yes, "democracy", the corps need to put some money into adjusting the books that define the term. |
| 19:39.20 | burnin | and while their at it they need to adjust other definitions too, like free market, competition, etc. |
| 19:39.54 | burnin | mindjuju, did he say exactly that? Blow up? |
| 19:40.13 | mindjuju | blow up or destroy, one of the two |
| 19:40.15 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec |
| 19:40.46 | burnin | mindjuju, I don't recall the wording of the legislation he was pushing, but it did say destruction of property or somethign to that effect. |
| 19:41.51 | mindjuju | http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/19/commentary/wastler/wastler/ |
| 19:42.25 | mindjuju | i'm trying to find it on Thomas, but can't seem to find it there |
| 19:42.47 | mindjuju | seems like congressional committees notes are kept there |
| 19:43.34 | dataw0lf | I wonder how much smoke clouded Washington from all the paper burning after the Dems took the Senate and the House? |
| 19:43.35 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 19:43.51 | dataw0lf | I swear I could hear the shredders running all the way over here in Nevada. |
| 19:44.16 | mindjuju | yeah, the democraps are angles compared to the republicons |
| 19:44.27 | burnin | lol |
| 19:44.30 | dataw0lf | no, they're just as bad. |
| 19:44.57 | dataw0lf | but the Republicans have controlled every branch for quite a while now. Corruption is rampant. No checks and balances. |
| 19:45.08 | dataw0lf | They're all greedy, that's why we need the checks and balances. |
| 19:45.36 | dataw0lf | plus, the Republicans are a bunch of child molesting meth heads, last I heard. |
| 19:45.39 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 19:46.14 | burnin | lol |
| 19:46.43 | burnin | better get it out of your system cause if Gingrich has his way there'll be no more terrorist talk like that on the internet. |
| 19:47.34 | burnin | hehe |
| 19:47.43 | dataw0lf | hey, send me to Guantanamo Bay. Probably easier than this JavaScript. |
| 19:49.59 | dataw0lf | speaking of, did anyone hear Cheney's comment about water boarding? something to the effect of 'getting water splashed on them' or something. |
| 19:50.10 | dataw0lf | rololol |
| 19:50.32 | dataw0lf | We learned interrogation techniques in E&E, and, well, water boarding, not fun. |
| 19:50.46 | dataw0lf | but enough of politics |
| 19:50.54 | dataw0lf | before I get larted by wps and macnewbold. |
| 19:51.23 | timinator | and timinator; put me in that list too |
| 19:51.50 | mindjuju | dw, we'll have to make a channel for that sometime |
| 19:52.07 | mindjuju | we can call it the dw v mindjuju argue pit |
| 19:53.25 | timinator | ya, and I'll join that time |
| 19:53.41 | mindjuju | coolio timinator! |
| 19:53.46 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 19:53.53 | dataw0lf | another victim for dataw0lf? |
| 19:54.21 | mindjuju | or we could do a blog somewhere |
| 19:54.40 | mindjuju | dw v mj |
| 19:56.08 | mindjuju | k, i've got to finish coding, but we should give this a think cause rare as it is, for a dem you've got good points |
| 19:56.11 | timinator | sigh |
| 19:56.20 | mindjuju | lol |
| 19:56.51 | burnin | mindjuju, lol |
| 19:57.27 | timinator | good points, my butt |
| 19:57.32 | mindjuju | i guess he didn't notice or he's thinking of a come back, ole' dataw0lf |
| 19:58.07 | mindjuju | well, he's got some good points on iraq, timinator, cause he's been there and I haven't |
| 19:58.23 | mindjuju | but, i've got some new arguments that might give him a run for his money |
| 19:58.42 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 19:59.04 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: you can't troll me into arguing right now sir. I'm coding! |
| 19:59.16 | dataw0lf | and I'm not a democrat. |
| 19:59.20 | mindjuju | oh, they were months ago |
| 19:59.33 | dataw0lf | my last iraq comment was probably like 6 months ago or so. |
| 19:59.38 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:59.42 | timinator | ah |
| 19:59.47 | dataw0lf | But noone argues Iraq against dataw0lf successfully. NOONE! |
| 20:00.01 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 20:00.09 | dataw0lf | more like a squeak, I gotta cold |
| 20:00.35 | mindjuju | k, im' coding |
| 20:00.56 | dataw0lf | me too, but if anyone wants to talk tech, I'm game. It's technically lunch. |
| 20:07.02 | timinator | Zepher phone techs suck |
| 20:08.36 | macnewbold | ~lart someone |
| 20:08.55 | dataw0lf | timinator: Zephyr? |
| 20:08.56 | mindjuju | ~lart macnewbold |
| 20:13.22 | dataw0lf | Anyone seen the OpenSUSE / Ubuntu ruckus? |
| 20:17.22 | timinator | sorry DW |
| 20:17.32 | timinator | they are a phone company |
| 20:17.46 | timinator | they maintain the phone system here at the office |
| 20:17.57 | timinator | but it's a local company as far as I know |
| 20:18.29 | dataw0lf | voip? |
| 20:18.38 | timinator | no |
| 20:18.47 | dataw0lf | word. |
| 20:18.47 | timinator | (I wish) |
| 20:19.03 | timinator | voip sounds cool |
| 20:19.13 | dataw0lf | it's pretty nice to administer. |
| 20:19.22 | dataw0lf | I don't know enough about it though. |
| 20:19.33 | dataw0lf | psh, I love my Cisco IP phone here at work. |
| 20:20.04 | drip | Ours are pingtels and I don't care for them much |
| 20:20.28 | dataw0lf | I had pingtels when I worked as lead sys admin in SLC, I don't like em much either. |
| 20:20.56 | timinator | if I were to hire out a voip system.... could I then connect it to php scripts in any way? |
| 20:21.04 | dataw0lf | Yes. |
| 20:21.11 | timinator | NICE |
| 20:21.13 | dataw0lf | that's your man right there. |
| 20:21.29 | jsmith | timinator: Yes, it's super-easy |
| 20:21.29 | dataw0lf | he's the Lord High Master of VOIP |
| 20:21.36 | timinator | coolio |
| 20:21.41 | jsmith | I ain't all that and a bag of chips ;-) |
| 20:22.11 | dataw0lf | you know, excessive humility can be annoying! |
| 20:22.18 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 20:22.20 | timinator | and what type of things could one do w/ PHP and VOIP? |
| 20:22.35 | timinator | s/type/types/ |
| 20:22.43 | beandog | You can talk about PHP over the phone. :) |
| 20:23.06 | timinator | :) |
| 20:23.10 | timinator | I can do that now |
| 20:23.30 | beandog | yah, thats true. |
| 20:23.34 | beandog | voip is teh suck |
| 20:23.40 | beandog | :) |
| 20:23.40 | dataw0lf | timinator: what CAN'T you do. |
| 20:23.46 | dataw0lf | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+PHP |
| 20:24.22 | beandog | I imagine asterisk would be pretty simple to connect to |
| 20:24.25 | jsmith | timinator: Have calls trigger PHP scripts... have PHP scripts trigger calls... give website visitors dynamic extensions they can dial within your company |
| 20:24.37 | beandog | Though Ive never even heard of anyone interacing with a voip system with php before |
| 20:24.51 | dataw0lf | beandog: we've got alot of it here. |
| 20:24.51 | timinator | I would |
| 20:24.52 | beandog | jsmith: really? wow, that is cool |
| 20:24.53 | jsmith | There's even PHP code in my book! |
| 20:25.07 | timinator | jsmith, you wrote a book?? |
| 20:25.08 | jsmith | dataw0lf: And, just for you, Python as well. |
| 20:25.10 | dataw0lf | jsmith: I bought it, by the way. |
| 20:25.23 | dataw0lf | jsmith: I noticed. Classy. |
| 20:25.29 | jsmith | timinator: Uh, yeah.... O'Reilly's Asterisk: The Future of Telephony |
| 20:25.37 | jsmith | So much for being humble |
| 20:26.01 | timinator | jsmith should not be humble |
| 20:26.09 | beandog | wow, thats awesome jsmith |
| 20:26.28 | timinator | jsmith + O'Reilly |
| 20:26.30 | dataw0lf | it's a pretty nice book. |
| 20:26.32 | timinator | :) |
| 20:26.50 | jsmith | Plus, the PDFs are available for free at asteriskdocs.org |
| 20:27.04 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 20:27.14 | dataw0lf | oh, wait, I knew that already. |
| 20:28.46 | timinator | is Astrisk a pain to setup? (should I hire out or buy the book and go to town) |
| 20:28.57 | beandog | I would hire out |
| 20:29.00 | beandog | personally |
| 20:29.03 | beandog | Since I couldnt figure it out. |
| 20:29.08 | beandog | And I'm not a telecommunications guru. |
| 20:29.15 | beandog | but |
| 20:29.17 | beandog | thats just me. |
| 20:29.18 | beandog | :) |
| 20:29.23 | timinator | me either, I'll heed your advise |
| 20:29.33 | beandog | We ended up going with Skype |
| 20:29.35 | beandog | Which was a major mistake. |
| 20:29.39 | beandog | Death to crappy hacks. |
| 20:29.40 | macnewbold | depends on several things: available cash vs available time, your desire to learn vs your desire to have it done properly/faster/etc. |
| 20:30.30 | timinator | available time is nill.... anyone got a reference? |
| 20:30.40 | timinator | :) |
| 20:31.11 | beandog | Whee, its snowing outside! |
| 20:31.33 | timinator | where are you at beandog? |
| 20:31.40 | beandog | West Jordan |
| 20:31.43 | timinator | (not snowing here in Ogden) |
| 20:32.04 | dataw0lf | no kidding, so I can hit the slopes! |
| 20:32.12 | mindjuju | i have work snow days, it's called salary |
| 20:32.21 | dataw0lf | we get to come in late 2 days out of the week for carving the slopes up though :) |
| 20:32.37 | timinator | nice |
| 20:32.45 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: yea, but I've been bemoaning salary after working 12 hours every day for the past 2 weeks. |
| 20:33.31 | dataw0lf | har har |
| 20:33.55 | dataw0lf | I got private clients I gotta satisfy too, dang it. |
| 20:34.08 | dataw0lf | I'm leaving early today, though, so I probably shouldn't whine. |
| 20:34.10 | mindjuju | come on, that was funny |
| 20:34.19 | dataw0lf | I'm laughing on the inside. |
| 20:34.53 | dataw0lf | I'm probably going to be at the December UPHPU meeting, flying down to visit. |
| 20:35.10 | dataw0lf | I'm noting that I owe you a karate chop, mindjuju. |
| 20:36.27 | beandog | heh |
| 20:36.49 | mindjuju | gaim is crashing like crazy!!! |
| 20:37.07 | beandog | that's not all, it seems. :) |
| 20:37.19 | dataw0lf | probably using gaim as his IRC client. |
| 20:37.45 | dataw0lf | or he was just so scared of the thought of my karate chop he shut down his computer and ran out of the office like a frightened rabbit! |
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| 20:37.56 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 20:39.43 | com4 | dataw0lf: you have a case of the super gay i hear |
| 20:39.51 | com4 | you should probably get yourself checked out, you might be contagious |
| 20:40.23 | beandog | mindjuju: make sure your hdd isnt full |
| 20:40.40 | mindjuju | it's got 2g, checked it this morn |
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| 20:42.11 | mindjuju | hey swb |
| 20:42.25 | swb | hiya |
| 20:42.28 | swb | what's new? |
| 20:42.50 | mindjuju | not much. that guy that was wondering who you are a long time ago is here again |
| 20:43.16 | mindjuju | swb, meet dataw0lf, and vise versa |
| 20:43.39 | swb | we've met b4 |
| 20:43.42 | swb | hi dataw0lf |
| 20:52.53 | dataw0lf | sup com4 |
| 20:52.54 | dataw0lf | sup swb |
| 20:52.57 | dataw0lf | we've met swb? |
| 20:53.33 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I was wondering who swb was? |
| 20:53.35 | dataw0lf | man |
| 20:53.45 | macnewbold | swb is our resident Webmistress |
| 20:53.45 | swb | yep, I'm easy to remember... pretty much the only femail persuasion at UPHPU meetings |
| 20:53.52 | dataw0lf | ooooooooh |
| 20:53.54 | dataw0lf | yea, we've met |
| 20:53.57 | swb | s/femail/female/g |
| 20:54.17 | swb | hi! how's it goin'? |
| 20:54.20 | macnewbold | long flowing tresses, intoxicating smile, etc. - surely you remember her? |
| 20:54.41 | dataw0lf | oh, I thought that was you mac! |
| 20:54.48 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 20:54.51 | drip | lol |
| 20:55.11 | dataw0lf | swb: pretty good, just working on some JavaScript, Python, and PHP |
| 20:55.48 | swb | ah, your favorite things |
| 20:56.47 | dataw0lf | oh, no, no, my favorite things involve running at walls at full speed and jumping on VPs' desks. |
| 20:57.31 | swb | I don't believe you ever done either of those things (errhm, maybe the wall one I believe) |
| 20:57.56 | dataw0lf | that doesn't mean they're not some of my favorite things! |
| 20:58.02 | swb | lol |
| 20:58.10 | dataw0lf | I hold onto my dreams dearly. |
| 20:59.20 | swb | you're crazy fun, wish you were still around, didn't you move to NV? |
| 20:59.36 | swb | hey, when is the next lunch btw? |
| 20:59.59 | bigdog_ut | just missed it... |
| 21:00.05 | swb | DOH! |
| 21:00.18 | bigdog_ut | my new disk array is here today |
| 21:00.28 | bigdog_ut | 7.5tb |
| 21:00.29 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Sure, you just had to say that, didn't you ;-) |
| 21:00.37 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 21:01.42 | dataw0lf | swb: Yup, living in Reno. |
| 21:01.54 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: What manufacturer? |
| 21:02.08 | dataw0lf | swb: I'm coming to the December PHP Meeting, though, hopefully. |
| 21:02.13 | swb | neat |
| 21:02.16 | bigdog_ut | oh we just went with dell for this one...we already had a server from them |
| 21:02.45 | drip | just park it at my house. |
| 21:02.48 | drip | thanks. |
| 21:03.38 | dataw0lf | 7.5 tbs isn't as hard to fill up as you might think. |
| 21:04.03 | bigdog_ut | oh that is just the first one...we can have a total of 3 hanging off this server |
| 21:04.19 | bigdog_ut | we plan to purchase 1 7.5tb every 2 months |
| 21:04.30 | bigdog_ut | for about a year or so |
| 21:04.51 | dataw0lf | now that's nice. |
| 21:05.00 | dataw0lf | still shoulda went with old StorageWorks stuff. |
| 21:05.08 | bigdog_ut | yeah...problem is that we dont have room for it |
| 21:05.50 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 21:05.54 | bigdog_ut | yeah if money was not an option |
| 21:06.10 | bigdog_ut | i wouldnt mind an xp120000 |
| 21:06.19 | dataw0lf | got a good climate control system? |
| 21:06.21 | bigdog_ut | or hell an xp10000 |
| 21:06.39 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i drilled a hole through the ceiling...summer will suck though |
| 21:06.57 | dataw0lf | heh, you better get plans together to get some AC units in there, brotha |
| 21:07.28 | dataw0lf | getting a good climate scheme going is the worst problem I ran into with large scale storage. |
| 21:07.30 | bigdog_ut | actually we got one put in a couple weeks ago |
| 21:07.42 | dataw0lf | nice. |
| 21:08.36 | dataw0lf | make sure you got good airflow too. |
| 21:08.36 | bigdog_ut | i got management for that |
| 21:08.44 | dataw0lf | hehe. |
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| 21:12.59 | dataw0lf | dude Perforce is laggggggggging |
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| 21:14.48 | macnewbold | question for everyone (or for mindjuju if nobody else answers): When is the next geek lunch? Fri. Dec. 1st I think? At Robintino's in Bountiful? What time? |
| 21:15.48 | dataw0lf | dang, you mentioning that reminds me of that chinese we had at the first one. God that was some good stuff. |
| 21:16.16 | jsmith | Yeah, it was. |
| 21:22.52 | timinator | spaghetti here |
| 21:24.47 | wps | wheat thins are great with cheese ball |
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| 21:33.27 | dataw0lf | wps: oh man, I love cheese balls. |
| 21:33.47 | wps | my wife makes a mean cheese ball |
| 21:36.49 | dataw0lf | you're a lucky man |
| 21:37.12 | dataw0lf | my girlfriend won't even fetch a beer from the fridge for me. |
| 21:38.28 | beandog | any good jabber servers out there |
| 21:38.33 | beandog | that anyone would recommend |
| 21:39.02 | fungus | http://talk.google.com |
| 21:39.07 | beandog | besides that one |
| 21:40.15 | fungus | I have one at jabber.org, but I don't recommend it. |
| 21:40.17 | dataw0lf | xmppd.py, yea buddy. |
| 21:40.25 | beandog | yah I kind of remember that one not being too stable |
| 21:40.45 | fungus | Are you looking to run your own server, or use a public one? |
| 21:40.50 | beandog | use a public one |
| 21:41.04 | dataw0lf | ask com4 politely. |
| 21:43.06 | fungus | Google is the only public one I have liked. |
| 21:43.59 | fungus | I ran my own for a while, but gave up, because I didn't use it. |
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| 21:44.53 | dataw0lf | 'Black_Chaos' |
| 21:45.06 | dataw0lf | as opposed to 'White_Chaos'? |
| 21:45.17 | dataw0lf | I had no idea chaos was color coordinated. |
| 21:45.18 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 21:45.43 | dataw0lf | anyone use (g)vim for Windows? |
| 21:45.48 | beandog | hmm ok |
| 21:46.41 | dataw0lf | beandog: Don't use Google Talk. There are plenty out there that are good enough for usage. |
| 21:49.35 | fungus | Crap, looks like WIPO got Russia to cave. http://digg.com/tech_news/Allofmp3_to_be_closed |
| 21:50.42 | dataw0lf | awww man. |
| 21:51.59 | dataw0lf | I hate <?= usage |
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| 21:56.34 | dataw0lf | Jeez... bigdog_ut, you ever had issues with the Perforce Client hogging resources? |
| 21:56.53 | bigdog_ut | from time to time...you on windows box? |
| 21:56.57 | dataw0lf | Yar. |
| 21:57.50 | bigdog_ut | yep then i have |
| 21:57.59 | bigdog_ut | srry...yes i have seen it on windows |
| 21:58.13 | dataw0lf | it's killing me over here, crikey. |
| 22:00.27 | dataw0lf | http://devzone.zend.com/node/view/id/1283 |
| 22:01.09 | bigdog_ut | i lived by fort collins |
| 22:01.13 | bigdog_ut | that is a nice area |
| 22:01.17 | bigdog_ut | i lived in longmont |
| 22:01.24 | dataw0lf | I loved by Naperville for a while. |
| 22:01.28 | dataw0lf | s/loved/lived |
| 22:01.30 | bigdog_ut | cause im of the blessed people |
| 22:01.37 | dataw0lf | probably did some lovin' there too, though |
| 22:01.53 | bigdog_ut | boise has need of php developers |
| 22:02.05 | bigdog_ut | i think they all work for the same company and all get paid 8.50/hr |
| 22:02.10 | dataw0lf | pay is crap though. |
| 22:02.10 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 22:02.25 | dataw0lf | 36k average salary? that's ridiculous. |
| 22:02.26 | bigdog_ut | drip love NC though |
| 22:02.52 | bigdog_ut | that cracks me up...there are like 10 people in boise |
| 22:02.59 | bigdog_ut | and they need 29 developers |
| 22:03.03 | bigdog_ut | wow that is alot |
| 22:03.20 | dataw0lf | it's because they're offering em 36k a year |
| 22:03.33 | dataw0lf | they can't get anyone stupid enough to hire on. |
| 22:03.41 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:03.46 | bigdog_ut | tru da |
| 22:04.42 | macnewbold | that's the great thing about the market - supply and demand determine price |
| 22:05.00 | macnewbold | not enough programmers to meet your demand? price of a programmer goes up |
| 22:05.11 | dataw0lf | true. |
| 22:05.18 | macnewbold | cost of living might be a little lower there than in Utah, too |
| 22:05.18 | bigdog_ut | or 2 for 1 |
| 22:05.32 | macnewbold | so 36K there may be like 42K here |
| 22:05.34 | bigdog_ut | and you get a free camel ride |
| 22:05.43 | macnewbold | but you sure won't get anoyne to move there for 36K/year |
| 22:05.45 | dataw0lf | 44k average salary for php developers in Reno |
| 22:05.56 | bigdog_ut | wow that sucks |
| 22:06.05 | dataw0lf | 41k average salary in SLC |
| 22:06.12 | dataw0lf | and I'd say COL in Reno is cheaper than SLC. |
| 22:06.13 | macnewbold | according to where? |
| 22:06.32 | dataw0lf | indeed.com/salary |
| 22:06.44 | macnewbold | 41K for an average sounds low for SLC - for utah valley, that might be right though |
| 22:07.01 | macnewbold | 41K is starting salary here for someone decent and right out of college |
| 22:07.11 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 22:07.13 | macnewbold | approximately - sometimes it is higher |
| 22:07.20 | dataw0lf | it should be. |
| 22:07.57 | dataw0lf | doesn't factor in benefits, either. |
| 22:11.17 | Utah_Dave | hey, dataw0lf. I need to make a link in my cron.daily to the bash script you helped me with earlier. Should I do a hard link or a symbolic link? |
| 22:12.44 | macnewbold | ah, yeah |
| 22:13.18 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: symbolic |
| 22:13.21 | macnewbold | even health insurance alone as a benefit can be worth $3600-12,000 per year |
| 22:13.37 | Utah_Dave | ok, thanks. |
| 22:13.45 | dataw0lf | np |
| 22:13.46 | Utah_Dave | why is that better than a hard link? |
| 22:14.41 | dataw0lf | because then you don't have duplicates |
| 22:15.18 | dataw0lf | a symbolic link is just an inode that contains the name of a 'hard link' |
| 22:15.56 | bigdog_ut | can soemone help me with my dropdown list |
| 22:16.05 | Utah_Dave | so ' ln -s /var/backupscripts/mysql_backup.sh ' |
| 22:16.21 | Utah_Dave | ok, that's working great. Thanks again dataw0lf |
| 22:16.37 | dataw0lf | ln -s /var/backupscripts/mysql_backup.sh linkname.sh |
| 22:16.39 | dataw0lf | yar, np |
| 22:18.48 | macnewbold | http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Web+Designer&l1=utah&q2=Web+Designer+AJAX&l2=utah&q3=Web+Developer&l3=utah&q4=Web+Developer+PHP&l4=utah&q5=Web+Developer+MySQL&l5=utah&q6=Web+Developer+AJAX&l6=utah |
| 22:19.29 | macnewbold | previous is for Utah. Now here's nationally: http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Web+Designer&q2=Web+Designer+AJAX&q3=Web+Developer&q4=Web+Developer+PHP&q5=Web+Developer+MySQL&q6=Web+Developer+AJAX |
| 22:20.02 | macnewbold | looks similar, but the scale is different |
| 22:20.17 | macnewbold | PHP/MySQL web dev is $41K in utah |
| 22:20.23 | macnewbold | with AJAX, 49K |
| 22:20.37 | dataw0lf | what about PYTHON, sir! |
| 22:20.38 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 22:23.26 | macnewbold | http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Web+Designer&l1=Salt+Lake+City%2C+UT&q2=Web+Designer+AJAX&l2=Salt+Lake+City%2C+UT&q3=Web+Developer&l3=Salt+Lake+City%2C+UT&q4=Web+Developer+PHP&l4=Salt+Lake+City%2C+UT&q5=Web+Developer+MySQL&l5=Salt+Lake+City%2C+UT&q6=Web+Developer+AJAX&l6=Salt+Lake+City%2C+UT |
| 22:23.29 | synic | bah, I feel underpaid. |
| 22:23.32 | macnewbold | SLC is higher than Utah in general |
| 22:23.43 | synic | even though I think I make enough. |
| 22:23.54 | macnewbold | haha |
| 22:23.59 | macnewbold | and SLC is way higher than Provo: |
| 22:24.01 | macnewbold | http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Web+Designer&l1=Provo%2C+UT&q2=Web+Designer+AJAX&l2=Provo%2C+UT&q3=Web+Developer&l3=Provo%2C+UT&q4=Web+Developer+PHP&l4=Provo%2C+UT&q5=Web+Developer+MySQL&l5=Provo%2C+UT&q6=Web+Developer+AJAX&l6=Provo%2C+UT |
| 22:24.13 | synic | hah, that's BYU's fault. |
| 22:24.39 | macnewbold | Provo: PHP/MySQL web dev: $35K |
| 22:24.44 | macnewbold | in SLC, $43-44K |
| 22:25.07 | synic | I wonder why that's the case. |
| 22:25.18 | macnewbold | Ajax web dev in Provo, $42K - in SLC, $52K |
| 22:25.29 | dataw0lf | lesser openings so the average is probably slanted a bit |
| 22:25.38 | macnewbold | in utah, PHP/MySQL is $41K, and AJAX is $49K |
| 22:25.50 | dataw0lf | that's amusing |
| 22:25.53 | synic | what's a sysadmin? |
| 22:26.10 | dataw0lf | your natural enemy |
| 22:26.26 | jsmith | It's a terrible job -- that's what it is ;-) |
| 22:26.47 | synic | I didn't want the definition. I wanted to know what the average salary in SLC is for being one. |
| 22:26.48 | dataw0lf | when you've got a bunch of snotty programmers on your network, it sure is. |
| 22:26.51 | synic | turds. |
| 22:27.32 | dataw0lf | probably 5k or so higher |
| 22:27.37 | dataw0lf | my guess |
| 22:28.08 | synic | ok, I guess I don't feel so underpaid then. |
| 22:28.57 | dataw0lf | http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=system+administrator+unix&l1=salt+lake+city%2C+ut&q2=system+administrator+linux&l2=salt+lake+city%2C+ut&q3=network+administrator&l3=salt+lake+city%2C+ut&q4=network+administrator+cisco&l4=salt+lake+city%2C+ut&tm=1 |
| 22:30.24 | dataw0lf | synic: you're still worthless, though. FYI. |
| 22:30.34 | dataw0lf | and the Pixies rock. |
| 22:30.39 | synic | but I smell nice. |
| 22:30.47 | synic | ok, that's a lie too. |
| 22:32.02 | beandog | lols |
| 22:32.47 | dataw0lf | now to move on to this log parsing and modification script |
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| 23:12.47 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: you played with Python yet? |
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| 23:38.03 | macnewbold | ~lart python |
| 23:39.22 | macnewbold | mindjuju: you around? |
| 23:39.29 | macnewbold | need some details on geek lunch |
| 23:39.44 | macnewbold | we ought to get those on the web site or in the UPHPU calendar feed |
| 23:41.58 | com4 | i dunno dude, python is pretty great |
| 23:42.15 | synic | <3 Python |
| 23:42.15 | com4 | when you were giving that database talk i was rofling at you guys arguing what to call the primary key |
| 23:42.21 | com4 | should we call it pid? product_id? |
| 23:42.29 | com4 | there is such a thing as name spaces |
| 23:42.37 | synic | dataw0lf might be wrong about everything else that comes out of his mouth |
| 23:42.38 | com4 | and python uses them :D |
| 23:42.41 | synic | but python rocks. |
| 23:42.43 | com4 | might and probably |
| 23:42.49 | com4 | synic knows what's up |
| 23:42.52 | com4 | fagbinned and all |
| 23:42.57 | synic | hehe |
| 23:45.38 | _psychic_ | UPHPU, the PHP Therapy Group |
| 23:50.39 | synic | hehe |
| 23:56.54 | swb | macnewbold, yes, get lunches on the calendar please! |
| 23:57.16 | beandog | that'd be nice |
