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| 00:16.21 | beandog | Ok Im outta |
| 00:16.23 | beandog | seeya guys tonight |
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| 00:25.05 | timinator | that was quick beandog |
| 00:25.21 | beandog | I work across the street |
| 00:26.04 | timinator | did you type /exit leaving to show an exit message? |
| 00:26.15 | beandog | I think I just did /quit |
| 00:26.34 | beandog | why did I have a message? |
| 00:26.40 | timinator | yep |
| 00:26.50 | timinator | reason "Leaving" |
| 00:26.54 | beandog | oh |
| 00:27.00 | beandog | I think it was my default x-chat settings |
| 00:27.12 | timinator | cool |
| 00:27.16 | beandog | usually I just close it |
| 00:27.34 | timinator | tell me if this has a message when I leave |
| 00:27.37 | cyco|w | hey, how would you eregi and ip looking for 192.168.40.* |
| 00:27.45 | cyco|w | not just *.*.40.* |
| 00:28.13 | beandog | hmm |
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| 00:28.27 | cyco|w | sorry, and=an |
| 00:28.36 | timinator | so? |
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| 00:29.01 | beandog | /(\d{1,3}\.){3}\d{1,3}/ would be the preg |
| 00:29.09 | timinator | dangit |
| 00:29.24 | beandog | er, wait. |
| 00:29.27 | beandog | that's all ips |
| 00:29.27 | beandog | heh |
| 00:30.11 | timinator | how bout this |
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| 00:31.07 | beandog | same thing timinator |
| 00:31.17 | timinator | dang |
| 00:32.04 | synic | cyco|w: wait, what exactly needs to match? |
| 00:32.26 | beandog | yah |
| 00:32.31 | cyco|w | the 192 part, the 168 part, and the 40 part.. the last octet can be whatever.. |
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| 00:32.44 | timinator | how bout that?\ |
| 00:32.55 | cyco|w | nope |
| 00:32.56 | beandog | /192\.168\.40\.\d{1,3}/ |
| 00:33.02 | cyco|w | sweet |
| 00:33.07 | timinator | for crying out loud |
| 00:33.09 | beandog | oh wait. |
| 00:33.12 | beandog | that'd match 256 |
| 00:33.13 | beandog | poop. |
| 00:33.14 | beandog | uh. |
| 00:33.18 | beandog | hold on. |
| 00:33.28 | beandog | /192\.168\.40\.[1-255]/ |
| 00:33.38 | cyco|w | sweet again |
| 00:33.43 | beandog | I *think* |
| 00:33.49 | cyco|w | i'll give it a shot.. |
| 00:33.50 | beandog | yah |
| 00:33.51 | beandog | should be right. |
| 00:33.52 | timinator | that should work |
| 00:34.05 | cyco|w | i'm just so terrible with the regex stuff.. |
| 00:34.11 | beandog | You know ... postgres has an ip address field type |
| 00:34.12 | cyco|w | thanks.. i'll let you know.. |
| 00:34.14 | beandog | postgres++ |
| 00:34.14 | beandog | :D |
| 00:40.03 | mindjuju | MS SQL 2k5 Rules, all the other DBs drool! |
| 00:40.09 | beandog | heh |
| 00:41.09 | beandog | woots |
| 00:43.01 | beandog | I installed the free versions of DB2, SQL Server 2005, Oracle and Firebird on my computer once |
| 00:43.09 | beandog | that poor thing crawled. |
| 00:43.13 | mindjuju | i bet |
| 00:45.45 | beandog | firebird is by fair the biggest pain to setup |
| 00:45.48 | beandog | even on windows. |
| 00:46.03 | beandog | well, I should say test |
| 00:46.04 | beandog | not setup. |
| 00:46.04 | beandog | Actually they were all a pain. |
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| 01:09.51 | licyeus | meeting tonight still at 12393 gateway park? is there a room i should look for, or is it pretty explanatory? |
| 01:10.16 | mindjuju | licyeus, 12393 is a business park |
| 01:10.29 | mindjuju | the office is towards the back of the business park |
| 01:10.58 | licyeus | okay, cool. thank you. |
| 01:11.01 | mindjuju | fo sho |
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| 01:43.09 | timinator | g'night guys |
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| 02:32.46 | mindjuju | ~lart swb |
| 02:36.04 | swb | hey! |
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| 05:12.45 | beandog | huzzah |
| 05:12.46 | beandog | good meeting |
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| 15:32.02 | beandog | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005010.php |
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| 15:33.31 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold did a great job last night presenting on databases. |
| 15:33.37 | Utah_Dave | Thanks a lot, mac! |
| 15:34.21 | beandog | Utah_Dave: was that you in the back |
| 15:35.36 | Utah_Dave | yep! where were you sitting? |
| 15:35.53 | beandog | I thought so, I cant remember what anyone looks like anymore |
| 15:36.00 | beandog | I came in late, around 8:15 |
| 15:36.09 | beandog | sat on the side |
| 15:36.37 | beandog | I was gonna stick around, but my friend had to get home so I rushed out once it finished |
| 15:37.01 | Utah_Dave | cool. There were a lot of people there |
| 15:37.44 | beandog | yah, that was cool |
| 15:40.15 | WaltHaas | Mac taught me some good stuff. I'm sitting here revising a schema as a result of his talk. |
| 15:40.53 | Utah_Dave | sweet |
| 15:48.49 | beandog | is the presentation online yet? |
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| 15:57.22 | Utah_Dave | http://uphpu.org/2006/11/14/database-design/ |
| 15:58.15 | timinator | morning guys |
| 16:03.00 | beandog | thanks |
| 16:03.00 | beandog | hey tim |
| 16:03.04 | beandog | Casino Royale is out :D |
| 16:03.04 | beandog | woots |
| 16:11.00 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, nice presentation notes |
| 16:12.15 | beandog | bah |
| 16:12.22 | beandog | I wish the KDE ebuilds would create symlinks |
| 16:12.29 | beandog | So 'kpdf' isn't always a moving target. |
| 16:12.41 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:12.46 | bigdog_ut | dont use kde |
| 16:12.54 | beandog | I dont |
| 16:13.05 | beandog | xfce4 ftw!! |
| 16:13.17 | beandog | but I use that as my 'helper app' in mozilla |
| 16:13.37 | beandog | and everytime I upgrade, I need to change the path to /usr/share/foo/kde/something/some/version/3.4.5/82.9/333/kpdf |
| 16:13.52 | beandog | instead of having a nice clean symlink to /usr/bin/kpdf |
| 16:14.56 | beandog | oh well, Ill just use xpdf. :) |
| 16:15.08 | bigdog_ut | or use acroread |
| 16:15.13 | bigdog_ut | that is what i use |
| 16:15.14 | beandog | blah |
| 16:15.16 | beandog | That thing is nasty. |
| 16:15.17 | bigdog_ut | or ggv |
| 16:15.20 | beandog | UI wise |
| 16:15.25 | beandog | ggv reads em too? |
| 16:15.36 | bigdog_ut | or the gnome one |
| 16:15.42 | bigdog_ut | i think ggv is just images |
| 16:15.49 | beandog | gpdf would always cause problems for me, dont remember why |
| 16:16.36 | beandog | maybe it was pulling in those 500 gnome deps just for one package |
| 16:16.37 | beandog | heh |
| 16:18.28 | beandog | its not even in portage anymore? |
| 16:18.36 | bigdog_ut | what? |
| 16:18.40 | bigdog_ut | gpdf? |
| 16:18.51 | beandog | doesnt look like it |
| 16:19.12 | beandog | $ eix -S pdf | grep -i gnome |
| 16:19.13 | beandog | nada |
| 16:19.36 | beandog | thats odd. |
| 16:20.45 | beandog | I know it had some security vulns not too long ago |
| 16:20.50 | beandog | but I thought those were xpdf related |
| 16:21.12 | bigdog_ut | thats why i just use acroread |
| 16:21.47 | beandog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gpdf |
| 16:21.48 | beandog | evince |
| 16:22.15 | beandog | where do they get these weird names |
| 16:23.14 | bigdog_ut | cause they want to be cool |
| 16:24.06 | beandog | Hmm, they plan on being able to view more than PDFs and stuff |
| 16:24.08 | beandog | Very cool, actually. |
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| 16:49.06 | beandog | heh |
| 16:49.07 | beandog | I love databases. |
| 16:49.11 | beandog | http://wonkabar.org/~steve/nephi/random_bom_chapter.php |
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| 17:46.13 | swb | ah! crazy morning |
| 17:46.26 | swb | I have 15 min. until my next meeting |
| 17:46.32 | swb | let's talk podcasts |
| 17:47.00 | timinator | I love podcasts |
| 17:47.12 | swb | meee tooo |
| 17:47.18 | mindjuju | fo sho, what were those seo podcasts and stuff you were talking about |
| 17:47.20 | timinator | podcasts are best on iTunes w/ an iPod |
| 17:47.32 | swb | k, this is the best SEO podcast (IMO)... |
| 17:47.33 | timinator | me? |
| 17:47.34 | swb | http://dailysearchcast.com/ |
| 17:47.39 | timinator | ah |
| 17:48.03 | swb | Danny Sullivan = SEO authority, runs SES |
| 17:48.19 | swb | or rather he used to run SES, but he might not after 2007 |
| 17:49.08 | timinator | why's that. |
| 17:49.13 | timinator | they giving him the boot? |
| 17:51.54 | swb | basically, his company was sold and they couldn't come to terms on contracts |
| 17:52.02 | swb | http://daggle.com/060829-112950.html |
| 17:52.23 | timinator | huh |
| 17:52.44 | swb | read link |
| 17:53.35 | swb | this one wins the best foreign language podcast category (actually, it's the only foreign language one I've looked at...) |
| 17:53.39 | swb | http://www.chinesepod.com/ |
| 17:54.02 | swb | I've only listened a couple times, but it's extremely cool if you want to learn Chinese |
| 17:54.13 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:54.32 | macnewbold | we've got plenty of people in here now, after so much IRC publicity last night... |
| 17:54.39 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 17:54.45 | macnewbold | that was for mindjuju |
| 17:54.49 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 17:54.56 | macnewbold | (it doesn't count if it hits you) |
| 17:55.28 | swb | favorite tech news podcast: http://www.publicradio.org/columns/futuretense/ |
| 17:56.01 | swb | it's interesting and short... I always find out about nifty new websites on future tense |
| 17:58.30 | swb | shoot, where is herlo? |
| 17:59.35 | swb | well, on to meeting 3 (bleh), I'll catch up with you guys later around 2ish :) |
| 18:42.07 | macnewbold | ~shoot herlo |
| 18:42.16 | jbot | ACTION shoots herlo in the ear with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 18:42.37 | mindjuju | hey, what about securitynow from twit? |
| 18:42.45 | mindjuju | that one rox! |
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| 18:52.42 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 18:52.52 | beandog | doh. |
| 18:53.05 | beandog | random, my buns. :) |
| 18:53.43 | timinator | ~lart beandog |
| 18:54.02 | timinator | ~lart beandog |
| 18:54.20 | timinator | ~lart beandog |
| 18:54.58 | timinator | ~lart beandog |
| 18:55.19 | timinator | ~lart beandog |
| 18:55.35 | timinator | looks pretty random |
| 18:55.38 | timinator | :) |
| 18:56.35 | _psychic_ | ~lart timinator |
| 18:56.43 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 18:56.48 | beandog | heheh |
| 18:56.53 | _psychic_ | laaaame |
| 18:57.24 | macnewbold | ~lart _psychic_ |
| 18:57.35 | timinator | lol |
| 18:57.39 | _psychic_ | better, but still lame |
| 18:57.42 | _psychic_ | ~lart macnewbold |
| 18:57.48 | macnewbold | eww |
| 18:57.55 | timinator | that's nasty dude |
| 18:58.00 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: do you have a relative named Jared? |
| 18:58.25 | timinator | dude, he's still wiping noodle snot off his shirt |
| 18:58.40 | _psychic_ | ~lart timinator |
| 19:02.03 | macnewbold | _psy[lunch]_: doh, I missed him |
| 19:02.23 | macnewbold | Jared? yeah, I have/had a relative named Jared, but he didn't have the same last name. |
| 19:03.03 | atoponce | beandog: what? you come to the meet last night, but you don't say hi? |
| 19:03.21 | beandog | atoponce: my dork friend had to get home to the wifey, so we had to rush out. |
| 19:03.41 | atoponce | ahh |
| 19:04.10 | atoponce | macnewbold: good meet last night, btw. |
| 19:04.26 | atoponce | really good to go over the normal forms again. it has been a while... |
| 19:04.29 | macnewbold | thanks atoponce |
| 19:04.44 | macnewbold | yeah, it had been for me too, I had to do some reading to put that together |
| 19:05.04 | beandog | Which form is it where you have just one key and one attribute for each table? |
| 19:05.12 | macnewbold | ugly form |
| 19:05.15 | beandog | Like, customers_name, customers_address, customers_foo |
| 19:05.31 | macnewbold | ONF |
| 19:05.38 | macnewbold | Over-Normalized Form |
| 19:05.40 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 19:05.47 | beandog | heh |
| 19:05.53 | beandog | Yah. |
| 19:06.03 | beandog | I can imagine doing 25 INNER JOINs just to get a customer's basic info. |
| 19:06.05 | beandog | Eep. |
| 19:06.32 | atoponce | any suggestions for dealing with > 3GB *.dbf tables? everything i have can't deal with them |
| 19:06.45 | atoponce | *properly, i should say |
| 19:07.52 | atoponce | we wrote c++ hack to chop the table in 500MB sizes. from there we can convert to *.csv, and go from there, but i don't think that is the best way to go about it |
| 19:07.59 | atoponce | but it works |
| 19:08.00 | macnewbold | dbf... what db is that from? |
| 19:08.09 | atoponce | foxpro mainly, i think |
| 19:08.10 | beandog | wtf |
| 19:08.12 | beandog | :) |
| 19:08.14 | macnewbold | okay |
| 19:08.22 | atoponce | beandog: tell me about it. it sucks |
| 19:08.24 | macnewbold | there's a php extension that can read them, |
| 19:08.34 | macnewbold | at least when they're normal sized :) |
| 19:08.52 | macnewbold | if they're that big, and nothing will read them directly to send them into CSV or whatever, |
| 19:09.00 | macnewbold | then splitting them up might be the only way |
| 19:09.08 | beandog | atoponce: arent you migrating away? |
| 19:09.12 | atoponce | yeah. these tables are voter files from specific states |
| 19:09.13 | beandog | I would hope... |
| 19:10.12 | atoponce | they contain millions of rows and 200+ fields, which most are heavily populated |
| 19:10.43 | atoponce | it's what our client deals with, so we have to deal with them from time to time |
| 19:11.05 | atoponce | beandog: yeah. we're putting them in mysql tables, which is *much* nicer, if you ask me |
| 19:11.18 | beandog | Ah, thats good. |
| 19:11.46 | atoponce | it's just paradox and fox pro can't handle them properly, so i was wondering if anyone know of another tool |
| 19:15.53 | beandog | I gotta go find an apartment / condo in SLC |
| 19:15.56 | beandog | Anyone know of any good place |
| 19:19.29 | timinator | I messed w/ DBF files about 2.5 yrs ago.... |
| 19:19.41 | timinator | and Navicat had an import function |
| 19:20.02 | timinator | that could pull DBF tables and put them into MySQL |
| 19:20.41 | timinator | I was dealing w/ 50+ MB files though |
| 19:21.00 | timinator | but it worked fairly well |
| 19:21.37 | synic | beandog: are you married? |
| 19:21.44 | beandog | nope |
| 19:21.55 | synic | how do you feel about roommates? |
| 19:22.17 | beandog | as long as they dont have ferrets, I dont mind. |
| 19:22.25 | synic | hah. |
| 19:22.36 | synic | I ask because I'm thinking about either moving or getting a roommate |
| 19:23.15 | synic | heh... I don't have a ferrett, though I do have a pug. |
| 19:23.16 | beandog | oh yah? whens that |
| 19:23.19 | beandog | a pug? |
| 19:23.23 | beandog | whats a pug? |
| 19:23.30 | synic | http://binary.twi.gs/riddick.jpg |
| 19:23.37 | synic | beandog: sometime this month or early next |
| 19:23.56 | beandog | ooh, doggies |
| 19:24.00 | beandog | doggies++ |
| 19:24.06 | synic | yeah, small funny looking dog |
| 19:24.09 | synic | he's great. |
| 19:24.37 | synic | brb |
| 19:24.45 | beandog | k |
| 19:27.30 | macnewbold | beandog: I have a friend who has been looking for a roommate |
| 19:27.37 | macnewbold | lives near 500 East and 4500 South |
| 19:27.40 | beandog | well Ive got a friend Im going to room with already |
| 19:27.50 | beandog | Im looking for a 2 or 3 bedroom place |
| 19:27.51 | macnewbold | ah |
| 19:28.01 | macnewbold | you're looking for apartments only, for two of you |
| 19:28.06 | beandog | The craziest part though is all these complexes are closed on saturday! |
| 19:28.17 | beandog | well I was looking for a house to rent, too, but couldnt find one I liked. |
| 19:28.19 | beandog | or big enough. |
| 19:28.21 | beandog | etc. |
| 19:28.26 | macnewbold | I know of some places in my neighborhood, though I don't know the vacancies at the moment |
| 19:28.55 | macnewbold | a 3bdrm where I used to live goes for about $650-700/month I think now, with covered parking |
| 19:29.01 | macnewbold | they have 2bdrm too, for a little less |
| 19:29.14 | beandog | bah, thats cheap. |
| 19:29.16 | beandog | freak. |
| 19:29.21 | macnewbold | and there are a lot of other places in the area similarly priced |
| 19:29.48 | macnewbold | downtown I know some 2-3 bedrooms for I think about 800, I'm not sure |
| 19:29.53 | macnewbold | I could check though |
| 19:30.07 | macnewbold | my dad manages some down there |
| 19:30.11 | beandog | macnewbold: really? yah if you dont mind, that'd rock ... Im having the hardest time |
| 19:30.24 | macnewbold | sure, you more interested in downtown or the sugarhouse area? |
| 19:30.31 | beandog | either one |
| 19:30.35 | macnewbold | (those are the only two I have any real knowledge of) |
| 19:30.36 | fungus | Ooh, I have to chime in about podcasts. I am an addict too. Especially all of the Twit.tv podcasts. |
| 19:30.42 | fungus | http://share.opml.org/viewsharedfeeds/?user_id=1789 |
| 19:31.35 | beandog | alright, im gonna go look at some places, bbls |
| 19:31.43 | macnewbold | there are a lot of buildings between 2100 S and 2700 S from 500 E to about 900 E or Highland Dr. |
| 19:31.51 | macnewbold | I'll msg you some contact info |
| 19:31.53 | beandog | ok |
| 19:31.56 | beandog | sweet, thanks |
| 19:35.19 | synic | macnewbold: wait, who's your friend that's looking for a roommate? |
| 19:35.23 | synic | details man, details! |
| 19:36.06 | macnewbold | synic: he's about your age, really nice guy, probably open to relocating even |
| 19:36.17 | macnewbold | works as an interpreter for the hearing impaired |
| 19:36.21 | macnewbold | up at the UofU mostly |
| 19:36.31 | macnewbold | I'll msg you his detalis |
| 19:45.10 | mindjuju | macnewbold, how accurate are you on meeting your deadlines on contracts you do |
| 19:45.18 | mindjuju | just a question in general |
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| 20:04.08 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 20:08.46 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: I just started a project, and one of the team members is named Jared Newbold |
| 20:13.16 | macnewbold | mindjuju, _psychic_: I'm back |
| 20:13.24 | macnewbold | don't know a Jared Newbold |
| 20:13.31 | mindjuju | macnewbold, how accurate are you on meeting your deadlines on contracts you do |
| 20:13.54 | macnewbold | we're usually very accurate as long as the client keeps up their end |
| 20:14.11 | mindjuju | asking because this guy i know doing some contract work for the company said everybody is bad at deadlines and that it's not feasible |
| 20:14.22 | mindjuju | i was calling him on it, but he said i didn't know |
| 20:14.29 | macnewbold | you just have to be careful in how you set them |
| 20:14.52 | macnewbold | If we think it will take 40-60 hours for a project, we never ever tell the client that it will take a week or two |
| 20:15.13 | macnewbold | cause it isn't realistic that an entire person's time will be devoted to 8 hrs/day of productive work on one project |
| 20:15.24 | macnewbold | nor that we'll get answers immediately when we need them |
| 20:16.00 | macnewbold | most projects that aren't a huge rush will have a two week turnaround, or a month or two if they are bigger projects |
| 20:16.23 | macnewbold | if it is a rush for someone we like, and the task is well defined and they've gotten us everything we need, |
| 20:16.45 | macnewbold | we can often put in 10-15 hours a day of work on their project, for up to a day or two |
| 20:17.05 | macnewbold | unless we;ve already got lots of other deadlines |
| 20:18.19 | macnewbold | your guy is partly right, though - if the problem isn't well defined, or you're heading into uncharted territory, or you run into problems you didn't expect, sometimes you have to renegotiate the deadline, and sometimes it isn't anyone's fault |
| 20:18.43 | macnewbold | but it is important to keep the client up to date on what's going on |
| 20:19.04 | macnewbold | you have to play the deadlines conservatively usually |
| 20:19.14 | macnewbold | especially if it isn't your only project |
| 20:35.10 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 20:39.15 | _psychic_ | underpromise and overdeliver |
| 20:44.07 | macnewbold | hear hear |
| 20:46.19 | _psychic_ | Mr. Scotty's Law |
| 21:29.01 | mindjuju | anybody here doing streaming audio? |
| 21:31.19 | mindjuju | ~wake all |
| 21:31.25 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on all and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 21:32.13 | timinator | I'm not |
| 21:32.16 | timinator | sorry dude |
| 21:32.23 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 21:32.24 | timinator | would love to though |
| 21:32.45 | timinator | but that doesn't help you much |
| 21:41.54 | _psychic_ | I've used QTSS and icecast I think |
| 21:49.36 | mindjuju | never used qtss, well, i was stream audio which is easy enough, but now i need to try to have slides be sync with live audio. doesn't seem to be possible without software available on the speakers' computer |
| 21:49.42 | mindjuju | just wondering if anybody knew otherwise |
| 22:00.32 | swb | or, software on the audiences' computers |
| 22:00.39 | swb | like gotomeeting.com right? |
| 22:00.53 | mindjuju | well, in know some use smil 2 like RM |
| 22:01.05 | mindjuju | oh yeah, duh, yup, that requires RM on client computer |
| 22:08.56 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: Flash? |
| 22:11.33 | mindjuju | needs a flash media server |
| 22:11.43 | _psychic_ | not necessarily |
| 22:11.51 | _psychic_ | Can't you just stream an mp3 |
| 22:12.00 | beandog | you have to have a server to display flash? |
| 22:12.13 | _psychic_ | and have Flash fire JS events when you get to certain places in the music? |
| 22:12.41 | mindjuju | well, the catch is that it is a live feed |
| 22:13.10 | mindjuju | so not streaming an mp3 file from server |
| 22:14.40 | _psychic_ | you wanna time slides or something with a live feed? |
| 22:14.50 | mindjuju | even worse |
| 22:15.01 | mindjuju | the speaker wants to be able to control the slides on a live feed |
| 22:15.09 | _psychic_ | you wanna serve custard via ethernet? |
| 22:15.30 | mindjuju | so if he all decides that he wants to go back 3 slides and hit a point, he wants to be able to do that on a live feed |
| 22:15.55 | mindjuju | i'm thinking it is impossible by streaming, going to need something like livemeeting |
| 22:16.02 | _psychic_ | seems like you'd have to poll the server quite often to see what the current slide is or something |
| 22:16.30 | mindjuju | i'm really close on it |
| 22:16.51 | mindjuju | here is the whole picture |
| 22:17.03 | mindjuju | i've got streaming audio, a chat room and slides |
| 22:17.16 | mindjuju | the chatroom has our clients where they can pose questions to the speaker |
| 22:17.34 | mindjuju | everything is handwritten so i have full control of the code (which should make it easy) |
| 22:17.58 | mindjuju | i've slipped some code into the chatroom (hidden) so that it piggy backs off of that |
| 22:18.09 | mindjuju | if the slide changes, the chatroom dialog knows |
| 22:18.25 | mindjuju | the hidden script calls a js function in the parent window that then changes the location of the slide |
| 22:18.44 | _psychic_ | when? |
| 22:18.56 | _psychic_ | does it check during every new dialog entry? |
| 22:19.36 | mindjuju | well, it doesn't check per se, rather as part of the dialog entry, hidden from the viewer, it says what the current slide should be |
| 22:20.09 | mindjuju | the js function knows what the current slide it has and if the chat dialog is reporting a slide other than what it knows, it updates the slide location and updates the current slide var |
| 22:20.29 | mindjuju | it actually works ok, except 1 little problem |
| 22:20.49 | mindjuju | i'm streaming through windows media services and there is a 20 sec delay |
| 22:21.32 | mindjuju | so the slide on the client's end changes before the speaker gets to that part (from the client's perspective) due to 20 sec latency |
| 22:21.49 | mindjuju | what a pisser! i'm sooooo close! |
| 22:22.16 | mindjuju | and the groovy part is that it is all JS, images and mms so it is like 99.9999999999% firewall friendly |
| 22:23.35 | mindjuju | with no client installs |
| 22:23.41 | mindjuju | ~lart latency |
| 22:26.37 | macnewbold | ~lart something |
| 22:29.09 | olds | hmmm |
| 22:29.58 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: video or audio? |
| 22:30.02 | mindjuju | audio |
| 22:30.16 | _psychic_ | can you fake it out by timing the JS events different? |
| 22:30.32 | olds | you should be able to turn down the buffering to reduce the lag |
| 22:30.40 | mindjuju | ii thought about that, settimer() |
| 22:30.55 | mindjuju | well, the audio is streaming at 16kb |
| 22:30.55 | olds | I'm pretty sure there's some option within windows media services |
| 22:30.58 | mindjuju | so not very big |
| 22:31.15 | olds | so why is there a 20 sec delay? |
| 22:31.18 | beandog | thats pretty low |
| 22:31.20 | olds | I don't quite understand |
| 22:31.58 | mindjuju | not sure why the delay |
| 22:32.08 | olds | that's odd imo |
| 22:32.40 | olds | It seems like you should be able to create a static 'delay |
| 22:32.44 | mindjuju | i'll have to look at windows media service to see if i can lower the delay |
| 22:32.48 | olds | a static 'delay' amount |
| 22:33.09 | olds | and if you can, you can just code that into the js |
| 22:34.02 | mindjuju | well, i could do that with the setimer function, the prob i see with that is that latency is probably relative to the session. so 1x it may be 20 seconds off, next time could be 10 seconds off |
| 22:34.16 | mindjuju | in which case i've just now bumped myself 10 seconds behind the speaker |
| 22:34.23 | olds | yea |
| 22:34.43 | olds | what software are the people using to 'listen' to the stream |
| 22:34.52 | mindjuju | windows media player |
| 22:34.59 | olds | yea hmmm |
| 22:35.14 | mindjuju | i'll have to check if wmp has some kind of slide provision |
| 22:35.26 | mindjuju | oh wait, scrub that |
| 22:35.53 | mindjuju | cause then windows media encoder would have to be on the speaker's computer |
| 22:36.12 | mindjuju | i think i'll just have to work on the latency |
| 22:36.40 | olds | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/howto/articles/introwmmeta.aspx |
| 22:37.04 | _psychic_ | buy fiber connections for all the users |
| 22:37.18 | _psychic_ | or fly them all in and have them sit in the adjacent room... |
| 22:37.20 | mindjuju | yeah, i think flash comm server would be cheaper |
| 22:41.05 | mindjuju | maybe i'll just put in some Ali G segments when latency is the worst to distract our clients |
| 22:42.09 | olds | lol |
| 22:42.12 | olds | awesome |
| 22:47.52 | _psychic_ | anybody looking for a job? |
| 22:48.24 | olds | me |
| 22:48.32 | olds | <-- |
| 22:48.39 | _psychic_ | come interview then |
| 22:48.43 | olds | where |
| 22:48.52 | _psychic_ | Orem |
| 22:49.02 | olds | what company |
| 22:49.03 | beandog | Provo's Evil Twin |
| 22:49.58 | mindjuju | my company is hiring tech support people if anybody is looking |
| 22:50.31 | macnewbold | do they get their picture on the wall? |
| 22:51.05 | mindjuju | jk |
| 22:51.17 | mindjuju | as a matter of fact, they would |
| 22:55.02 | _psychic_ | I think working tech support was the single greatest contributor to my FPS skills. |
| 22:56.56 | beandog | lols |
| 22:57.10 | beandog | that must be where I went wrong |
| 22:57.59 | mindjuju | yeah, tech support sux, but we all got to pay our dues |
| 23:00.54 | _psychic_ | Dude, I loved it. Quake. All. Day. Long. |
| 23:01.28 | _psychic_ | "Yeah, um.... <dang!>... uh.... reset the computer, and..... <w00t!> ... are you still there?" |
| 23:23.30 | timinator | mindjuju: NICE |
| 23:25.42 | macnewbold | ~garfunkel mindjuju |
| 23:26.17 | beandog | heh |
| 23:26.30 | beandog | Jonny Mathis, ftw |
| 23:27.37 | timinator | which other artists are setup? |
| 23:27.48 | timinator | ~queen mindjuju |
| 23:28.04 | timinator | ~aerosmith mindjuju |
| 23:28.19 | timinator | hmmm |
| 23:28.50 | mindjuju | what you spinning over there timinator? |
| 23:33.05 | timinator | I'm importing a John Grisham |
| 23:33.07 | timinator | so... |
| 23:33.14 | timinator | my processor is at 100% |
| 23:33.25 | timinator | so I'm not playing anything right now |
| 23:34.11 | timinator | although, I've been playing the new Hinder album a lot lately |
| 23:35.15 | timinator | and when I switch off that, I've been playing James Blunt, You're Beautiful |
| 23:36.03 | olds | Unless you're female under the age of 17, there's no reason anyone should listen to that song. |
| 23:36.13 | timinator | :) |
| 23:36.15 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 23:36.17 | swb | ha |
| 23:36.23 | timinator | FYI, I don't qualify then |
| 23:36.26 | mindjuju | zztop - sharp dressed man |
| 23:36.40 | timinator | OOOHHHHH zztop, sharp dressed man |
| 23:36.50 | timinator | I love zztop |
| 23:36.58 | mindjuju | zz top = native texan (houstonians even) |
| 23:37.13 | timinator | I've perfected the LaGrange howl |
| 23:37.49 | olds | Texan eh? |
| 23:37.57 | olds | I lived in Wichita Falls for a few years. |
| 23:38.03 | mindjuju | ain't no state finer in the Union |
| 23:38.17 | _psychic_ | Is Texas still in the Union these days? |
| 23:38.37 | _psychic_ | People who live there seem to think it's sovereign. ;) |
| 23:38.38 | olds | I think technically, yes, practically, no. |
| 23:38.39 | timinator | well, it's been invaded |
| 23:51.03 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 23:51.09 | macnewbold | happy weekend, y'all |
| 23:51.15 | mindjuju | cya mac |
| 23:51.19 | beandog | Hmm |
| 23:51.26 | beandog | Is there an easy way to get the last key of an array |
| 23:51.34 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 23:51.40 | beandog | I guess I could do end(array_keys($arr)) |
| 23:51.41 | macnewbold | array_shift or array_pop will do it |
| 23:51.41 | timinator | later mac |
| 23:51.44 | macnewbold | (one of the two |
| 23:51.44 | beandog | ok |
| 23:51.45 | macnewbold | ah |
| 23:51.46 | macnewbold | key |
| 23:51.56 | macnewbold | array_pop(array_keys($arr)) |
| 23:51.57 | macnewbold | yeah, sure |
| 23:52.00 | timinator | thanks for the windows cd there dude |
| 23:52.00 | macnewbold | end might do it too |
| 23:52.16 | macnewbold | huh? |
| 23:52.20 | macnewbold | must be talking to mindjuju |
| 23:52.39 | timinator | naw... |
| 23:52.45 | timinator | you did the ~rlart |
| 23:52.58 | timinator | no matter |
| 23:53.08 | mindjuju | ~lart timinator |
| 23:53.34 | timinator | thx mindjuju |
| 23:54.00 | timinator | ~rlart mindjuju |
| 23:54.09 | mindjuju | can't rlart a person |
| 23:54.13 | mindjuju | can only lart |
| 23:54.14 | mindjuju | like this |
| 23:54.18 | mindjuju | ~lart timinator |
| 23:54.22 | mindjuju | see, can't do this |
| 23:54.26 | timinator | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:54.27 | mindjuju | ~rlart timinator |
| 23:54.37 | beandog | heh |
| 23:54.37 | mindjuju | just in case your confused, i'll do it again |
| 23:54.39 | beandog | thats a good onde |
| 23:54.40 | beandog | one |
| 23:54.42 | mindjuju | ~lart timinator |
| 23:55.04 | timinator | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:55.14 | timinator | NICE |
| 23:55.46 | mindjuju | ~dhit timinator |
| 23:55.47 | jbot | ACTION appears right behind timinator and slaps him in the back of the head |
| 23:56.20 | timinator | let's see if I remember correctly |
| 23:56.21 | timinator | ~nuk mindjuju |
| 23:56.32 | timinator | guess not |
| 23:56.47 | mindjuju | ~nyuk timinator |
| 23:56.48 | jbot | ACTION grabs timinator nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 23:56.48 | timinator | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:57.00 | timinator | OH RIGHT |
| 23:57.07 | timinator | ~nyuk mindjuju |
| 23:57.09 | jbot | ACTION grabs mindjuju nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 23:57.17 | timinator | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:57.33 | beandog | dhit? |
| 23:57.46 | mindjuju | dhit was programmed in honor of dataw0lf |
| 23:57.52 | beandog | oh okay |
| 23:57.58 | mindjuju | i recorded his battles with bigdog_ut |
| 23:58.05 | mindjuju | who also has a command, though i forget what it is |
| 23:58.12 | timinator | ~dhit mindjuju |
| 23:58.13 | jbot | ACTION performs Dog Collar of the Heavens on mindjuju |
| 23:58.15 | mindjuju | ~bd_hit ~timinator |
| 23:58.32 | timinator | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:58.35 | mindjuju | ~bdhit timinator |
| 23:58.36 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at timinator's pain |
| 23:58.43 | mindjuju | yup, there it is |
| 23:58.55 | mindjuju | one day, i'll get around to doing _psychics_'s |
| 23:59.04 | mindjuju | mac has one i wrote |
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| 23:59.11 | mindjuju | ~macattack timinator |
| 23:59.12 | jbot | ACTION uses jumper cables to stun timinator! |
| 23:59.21 | timinator | ouch |
| 23:59.23 | mindjuju | sort of a take on macgyver |
| 23:59.23 | timinator | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:59.28 | mindjuju | ~macattack timinator |
| 23:59.29 | jbot | ACTION jumps on bell rope, causing bell to hit timinator! |
