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| 03:01.55 | bzob_l | bigdog_ut, wps are you guys around? |
| 03:02.33 | wps | i |
| 03:14.50 | bzob_l | wps, did you read the sidebar? |
| 03:14.57 | wps | sidebar? |
| 03:17.55 | bzob_l | sorry i opened up a seperate chat window with you. |
| 03:18.01 | bzob_l | at least i thought... |
| 03:18.31 | wps | oh? I never received any private messages |
| 03:18.36 | wps | sorry |
| 03:18.37 | bzob_l | ah. |
| 03:18.37 | wps | when? |
| 03:18.40 | bzob_l | my bad. |
| 03:18.47 | bzob_l | just ~5 minutes ago. |
| 03:19.31 | bzob_l | anyway. the week after i talked with you guys i moved from sysadmin to storage admin at my work and have been catching up ever since. |
| 03:19.53 | wps | I just sent you a PM |
| 03:19.55 | wps | did you get it? |
| 03:20.18 | bzob_l | i did |
| 03:20.23 | bzob_l | can you see me respond? |
| 03:20.28 | wps | nope |
| 03:20.43 | bzob_l | humm. i can see you typing. |
| 03:20.54 | bzob_l | <wps> like this? |
| 03:20.54 | bzob_l | <bzob_l> yes. |
| 03:20.54 | bzob_l | <wps> hello? |
| 03:20.54 | bzob_l | <wps> test |
| 03:20.59 | bzob_l | <bzob_l> yes. |
| 03:21.09 | wps | interesting |
| 03:21.13 | wps | nothing from you |
| 03:21.14 | bzob_l | oh well. |
| 03:22.33 | bzob_l | are you and bigdog_ut still interested in desiging/coding a site for me? |
| 03:23.43 | bzob_l | i've got a couple things written up and sketchec out but have trouble putting all the details in. |
| 03:24.30 | bzob_l | would you guys mind meeting for lunch and I'd explain what i'm trying to do? |
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| 15:18.58 | swb | morning |
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| 15:19.35 | swb | hey, I'm trying to install irssi in my home dir, but I can't seem to make a connection work |
| 15:20.45 | swb | irssi _seemed_ to install okay, but when I try to 'connect irc.freenode.net', it just says 'Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 ... Connection timed out' |
| 15:21.11 | jsmith | try chat.freenode.net or chat.us.freenode.net |
| 15:21.21 | jsmith | I think they were having some DNS trouble a week or so ago. |
| 15:23.25 | swb | chat.freenode.net gives the same result, so I don't know if I installed correctly (?) |
| 15:23.48 | swb | but the irssi binary was built, and I can call it... |
| 15:23.57 | jsmith | Can you telnet to irc.freenode.net on port 6667? |
| 15:24.43 | swb | checking... not too experienced with command line... but trying |
| 15:26.48 | swb | nope, can't telnet to irc.freenode.net, so does this sound like a server restriction? |
| 15:26.59 | jsmith | Or a firewall problem, or something. |
| 15:27.10 | jsmith | What does "host irc.freenode.net" give you? |
| 15:27.26 | swb | telnet says 'Connection timed out' and then it tries different ips but always times out |
| 15:27.28 | swb | one sec |
| 15:28.47 | swb | 'host irc.feenode.net' says irc.freenode.net is an alias for chat.freenode.net and then lists several ips |
| 15:29.57 | jsmith | OK, then it's not a DNS problem. |
| 15:30.02 | jsmith | Maybe IRC traffic is being blocked |
| 15:30.39 | swb | I'm shelling into my web host server, when I emailed them to ask if irc was installed they replied that it wasn't but that I could install it in my home directory |
| 15:30.52 | swb | do I need to ask for permissions to use irc or something? |
| 15:31.17 | jsmith | Naw.. they just may be blocking outbound IRC connections on their network, as a lot of botnets use IRC to communicate |
| 15:32.32 | swb | but why would they tell me I can install it if irc connections were blocked on the network |
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| 15:34.29 | jsmith | swb: No clue |
| 15:37.38 | swb | thanks for the help jsmith |
| 15:38.12 | jsmith | No problem. |
| 15:54.41 | bigdog_ut | mornin all |
| 15:54.51 | jsmith | Howdy bigdog_ut |
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| 16:29.14 | mindjuju | cool, MS is putting out a version of Firefox, suppose to be vista compatible. I guess that's why the firefox team went to redmond. |
| 16:29.15 | mindjuju | http://www.msfirefox.com/microsoft-firefox/index.html |
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| 16:38.00 | wps | mindjuju: that site is great :) |
| 16:38.00 | wps | there really is a download though |
| 16:38.00 | wps | is there a real app? |
| 16:38.37 | synic | woot, I now have 15TB of storage sitting here at my feet |
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| 16:44.01 | bigdog_ut | jsmith you there? |
| 16:44.12 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 16:46.31 | beandog | synic: thats nothing, Ive got a terabyte of cartoons! |
| 16:46.34 | beandog | take that! |
| 16:46.35 | beandog | :) |
| 16:46.46 | beandog | actually, I don't. *wishful thinking* |
| 16:46.59 | synic | haha |
| 16:47.04 | synic | do you have Eak the Cat at least? |
| 16:47.14 | beandog | Ive never seen it, actually |
| 16:47.42 | beandog | oh |
| 16:47.44 | beandog | Eek the Cat |
| 16:47.46 | beandog | I remember that one. |
| 16:47.54 | beandog | For some reason that registered as 'The Tick' |
| 16:47.54 | synic | er.. yeah |
| 16:47.59 | beandog | O_o |
| 16:48.11 | synic | hah, that was a good one too. |
| 16:49.58 | mindjuju | wps, download for was the new version of IE7, though i wouldn't download it from there |
| 16:50.14 | wps | ah |
| 16:50.31 | wps | do you know who made the site? |
| 16:50.47 | mindjuju | don't |
| 16:52.37 | beandog | mindjuju: youre the sql server guru, right? |
| 16:54.46 | synic | mindjuju: I think he's making fun of you. Are you going to take that? |
| 17:01.05 | mindjuju | sorry, stepped out to get something to drink |
| 17:01.19 | mindjuju | ugh, still sick from yesterday |
| 17:03.11 | mindjuju | beandog, did you have a question or where you just teasing? |
| 17:10.16 | beandog | gotta question |
| 17:10.35 | beandog | do you have anything you use in place of offset? |
| 17:10.52 | beandog | synic: we use it here at work too ... stay far away. |
| 17:11.53 | synic | hehe, I actually don't have any valid opinion. I've never even seen it, let alone know how to use it. |
| 17:12.22 | beandog | good jorb. :) |
| 17:14.01 | mindjuju | do you mean for pagination? |
| 17:14.03 | beandog | yah |
| 17:14.05 | beandog | pretty much |
| 17:14.54 | mindjuju | not really. ms sql sux for pagination and I haven't looked into 2k5 to see if they've setup anything |
| 17:15.08 | mindjuju | i actually use code to paginate thorugh the database. |
| 17:15.19 | mindjuju | off the primary key |
| 17:15.39 | beandog | ok |
| 17:15.52 | beandog | I know theres no "easy solution" anyway |
| 17:15.54 | beandog | stupid database. |
| 17:15.59 | beandog | tsql sucks. |
| 17:16.21 | mindjuju | yeah, it really makes me mad that such an obvious need of a database was overlooked |
| 17:17.12 | beandog | toties |
| 17:18.16 | jsmith | Why not user server-side cursors? |
| 17:19.12 | beandog | ? |
| 17:19.14 | beandog | hows that |
| 17:22.42 | jsmith | Pardon the flood, but google finds the following: |
| 17:22.44 | jsmith | PHP Classes (http://ionescuraul.users.phpclasses.org/browse/package/2832.html) |
| 17:22.45 | jsmith | SourceForge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/rc4php) |
| 17:22.46 | jsmith | Tigris (http://rc4php.tigris.org/) |
| 17:22.46 | jsmith | PHP Builder (http://www.phpbuilder.com/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=1322) (as a ZIP archive) |
| 17:22.46 | jsmith | Hot Scripts (http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/56264.html) |
| 17:22.46 | jsmith | CodeWalkers (http://codewalkers.com/seecode/603.html) |
| 17:22.47 | jsmith | Planet Source Code (http://www.planet-source-code.com/vb/scripts/ShowCode.asp?txtCodeId=1908&lngWId=8) |
| 17:23.19 | jsmith | Not sure if any of those help... I know several years ago I wrote a stored procedure to do pagination. |
| 17:26.35 | beandog | ok |
| 17:28.01 | beandog | most classes Ive run into completely skip over mssql pagination |
| 17:28.06 | beandog | that rc4php does |
| 17:28.28 | beandog | I wish theyd let you view the source online |
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| 18:11.56 | mindjuju | beandog |
| 18:12.03 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.27 | beandog | yomes |
| 18:12.28 | mindjuju | just checking to see if you were around. they've updated the article i based my code around, but it's still essentially the same thing |
| 18:12.28 | beandog | whats up |
| 18:12.33 | mindjuju | http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnpag/html/scalenethowto05.asp |
| 18:12.53 | beandog | oh yah |
| 18:12.56 | mindjuju | About 1/3 the way down, you'll see bolded SELECT TOP |
| 18:12.59 | mindjuju | that's what I do |
| 18:13.00 | beandog | I remember reading once that .NET has one built in |
| 18:13.04 | beandog | yah, thats what I settled on too |
| 18:13.11 | beandog | select top from (select top .. ) |
| 18:13.29 | mindjuju | yeah, exactly select top 20 where greater than lastIDpulled |
| 18:13.30 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:13.44 | mindjuju | it's a hack, not a good one, but... |
| 18:13.47 | beandog | it'll work |
| 18:13.54 | beandog | thanks, mindjuju |
| 18:14.03 | mindjuju | it's really stupid that ms sql doesn't have that functionality, it seems like 2k5 doesn't have it either |
| 18:14.27 | beandog | that sucks |
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| 20:08.39 | swb | hi, any irc experts around? |
| 20:12.40 | herlo | swb, you shouldn't ask that way, no one will admit to being an irc expert |
| 20:12.44 | herlo | ;) |
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| 20:14.36 | swb | I see! well, I'm trying to install irssi in my home directory on another server |
| 20:15.03 | swb | I did get a nice little binary and it *seems* to be working |
| 20:15.57 | swb | but I can't seem to connect to anything, I just get 'Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Connection timed out]' |
| 20:16.40 | swb | I don't think irc is blocked by the server... ? |
| 20:16.47 | fungus | Try testing your connection first. |
| 20:16.54 | fungus | telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 |
| 20:17.01 | fungus | It might be blocked. |
| 20:17.04 | swb | I can telnet and host |
| 20:17.20 | swb | maybe my irssi install is botched? |
| 20:18.06 | fungus | When you used telnet, did you get the ident stuff? |
| 20:18.11 | swb | wait, trying telnet again... doesn't seem to be working now |
| 20:18.14 | swb | trying... |
| 20:19.29 | swb | also getting 'Connection timed out' from telnet |
| 20:19.33 | swb | am I blocked? |
| 20:19.38 | fungus | probably |
| 20:22.34 | fungus | try `telnet irc.freenode.net 7000` |
| 20:22.41 | fungus | maybe they just blocked that one port. |
| 20:23.44 | swb | no luck |
| 20:23.54 | herlo | swb, set up tor |
| 20:24.00 | herlo | http://tor.eff.org |
| 20:24.11 | herlo | it works natively with irssi |
| 20:26.48 | swb | I'll check it out, thanks (um, it's blocked by my corp internet filter right now) |
| 20:27.43 | fungus | the tor website is blocked? |
| 20:27.49 | swb | yep |
| 20:27.55 | fungus | LOL, smart guys. |
| 20:28.18 | swb | most anonymizing stuff is blocked |
| 20:28.44 | fungus | If you can get an ssh connection out, you might be able to use an ssh tunnel. |
| 20:29.32 | fungus | but then if you could do that, I guess you could just run irssi from anywhere really. |
| 20:30.37 | swb | well, I'm running irc right from ssh, I just wanted to use a different server and nothing irc is installed... so I was trying to install it in my home dir |
| 20:31.09 | swb | not sure whether my install is the problem or if the ports or blocked {sigh} |
| 20:31.41 | fungus | well since your attempted connection using telnet failed, it probably isn't your install. |
| 20:31.52 | swb | right |
| 20:32.04 | swb | well, I figured out how to install it, and that's kinda cool |
| 20:33.02 | fungus | yeah, congrats. |
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| 20:54.15 | mindjuju | ~seen timinator |
| 20:54.28 | jbot | timinator <n=timinato@c-67-171-118-199.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 20h 48m 3s ago, saying: 'see ya next week'. |
| 20:54.47 | mindjuju | poor timinator, hope he's doing well |
| 21:41.41 | beandog | whered he go? |
| 22:17.05 | mindjuju | sorry, stepped out for a sec |
| 22:17.14 | mindjuju | timinator was launching his new site this weekend |
| 22:17.24 | mindjuju | so was just saying, he's prolly flooded busy |
| 22:18.47 | mindjuju | i'm presenting my new site Tuesday and rolling it thanksgiving weekend including installing new dl360, pulling the dl380 and turning that into straight sql server behind new cisco firewall |
| 22:19.26 | mindjuju | then taking a LONG vacation after that |
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| 22:52.11 | brasto | !!! |
| 22:55.31 | tierra | Is there any CSS present or in the works for say, modifying the brightness of an element (much like there is for opacity) |
| 22:55.47 | tierra | out of curiosity |
| 22:57.34 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:57.55 | mindjuju | i've got a pic that is at 50% that jumps to 100% on a mouse over |
| 22:58.03 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec, let me grab it for ya |
| 22:58.08 | tierra | nice, thanks |
| 22:58.39 | tierra | that's pretty much exactly what I want to use it for, heh |
| 22:58.53 | mindjuju | k, here it goes |
| 22:58.54 | mindjuju | .highlightit img{ filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Alpha(opacity=50); -moz-opacity: 0.5;} |
| 22:58.55 | mindjuju | .highlightit:hover img{ filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Alpha(opacity=100); -moz-opacity: 1; } |
| 22:59.11 | mindjuju | you can see the part for IE, then the part for mozilla browsers |
| 22:59.24 | mindjuju | this isn't official CSS so some browsers won't do anything with it |
| 22:59.59 | mindjuju | my breakdown for site visitors is 96% IE, 3.5% FF and the rest is what ever safari, opera, etc |
| 23:00.28 | tierra | I'll have to play with this, thanks |
| 23:00.37 | mindjuju | so i don't think it hurts the 10 people who visit the site to not get the effect |
| 23:00.44 | mindjuju | yup, fo sho |
| 23:00.46 | tierra | hehe, yeah |
| 23:19.15 | wps | we're almost up to 200 members on the mailing list |
| 23:19.40 | brasto | that's pretty cool - over 1/3 of total members? |
| 23:19.59 | wps | well… what constitutes a member? |
| 23:20.50 | brasto | i'm not sure, i'm just going off the email a few weeks ago that said we had reached 500 members. |
| 23:20.59 | wps | ah |
| 23:21.06 | wps | that was five hundred accounts on the website |
| 23:21.12 | wps | with our old CMS |
| 23:21.20 | brasto | how many on the new one? |
| 23:21.30 | brasto | did they not all migrate? |
| 23:21.39 | wps | 30 |
| 23:21.45 | wps | no |
| 23:21.49 | wps | we didn't migrate any |
| 23:22.09 | brasto | am i on the member list? |
| 23:22.21 | wps | http://uphpu.org/membership/ |
| 23:23.04 | brasto | hmmm, where's the link to become a member? |
| 23:23.14 | wps | http://uphpu.org/register/? |
| 23:23.57 | brasto | ok, now you have 31 members :) |
| 23:32.53 | tierra | wps: I've been meaning to ask if you've ever run into a company by the name of Perige for a while now. |
| 23:33.30 | wps | I haven't |
| 23:33.52 | tierra | they're in your line of work, but they like to use a lot more flash |
| 23:34.03 | tierra | (they're local to SLC) |
| 23:35.44 | tierra | they're total mac geeks too |
| 23:40.29 | tierra | wps: what are colo prices like at Tier Four? |
| 23:41.17 | wps | not sure, sorry |
| 23:41.27 | wps | they graciously colo us for free |
| 23:41.31 | wps | T4++ |
| 23:43.19 | beandog | :T |
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