| 00:00.24 | mindjuju | http://bstout.securesites.net/g2/main.php?g2_itemId=19 |
| 00:01.24 | brasto | lol, yep, that's me and my wife - when she still didn't like me in high school |
| 00:01.40 | brasto | i had hair back then |
| 00:02.53 | brasto | pictures of me 16 years later: |
| 00:03.00 | brasto | http://gallery.flfn.org/main.php?g2_itemId=95 |
| 00:03.56 | brasto | picture of my most recent hair style: |
| 00:03.57 | brasto | http://gallery.flfn.org/main.php?g2_itemId=440 |
| 00:12.18 | Utah_Dave | brasto: isn't that more of a "style" than a "hair style" :) |
| 00:17.36 | mindjuju | cool pics! |
| 00:25.33 | timinator | I'm out for a bit guys |
| 00:25.49 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 01:17.13 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 01:21.05 | mindjuju | PM sent to Utah_Dave |
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| 01:52.17 | Utah_Dave | I'm trying to use preg_match to test if there are any alpha characters in a string. |
| 01:52.32 | Utah_Dave | I'm having trouble with it |
| 01:52.39 | Utah_Dave | any regex gurus here? |
| 01:55.37 | timinator | alpha chars? |
| 01:55.42 | Utah_Dave | I think I got it. |
| 01:55.56 | Utah_Dave | preg_match('`[a-z]`',$password) |
| 01:55.56 | timinator | k |
| 01:56.07 | Utah_Dave | preg_match('`[A-Z]`',$password) |
| 01:56.19 | Utah_Dave | both of those work, but I was trying to combine them into one |
| 01:56.30 | Utah_Dave | preg_match('`[a-zA-Z]`',$password) |
| 01:56.32 | Utah_Dave | didn't work |
| 01:56.37 | timinator | ah |
| 01:57.20 | Utah_Dave | Oh, wait. It does work |
| 01:57.26 | timinator | it should |
| 01:57.30 | Utah_Dave | I must have mistyped something the first time |
| 01:57.34 | timinator | *shrugs |
| 01:57.35 | timinator | ya |
| 01:59.35 | mindjuju | utah_dave, i don't think that is the one you want |
| 02:00.06 | mindjuju | Tip: Do not use preg_match() if you only want to check if one string is contained in another string. Use strpos() or strstr() instead as they will be faster. |
| 02:00.11 | mindjuju | that's from the php.net page |
| 02:00.25 | timinator | ya dude |
| 02:00.38 | timinator | a preg_match looks at each char and then backs out |
| 02:00.57 | timinator | from my understanding, it's as involved as a for loop |
| 02:01.12 | Utah_Dave | yeah, but I want to check for a bunch of different things |
| 02:01.24 | timinator | right on |
| 02:02.03 | Utah_Dave | I agree with you guys. I avoid regex as much as possible. I find them confusing and the php docs talk about how the str functions are so much faster |
| 02:02.13 | mindjuju | are you testing it for length, alphanumeric? |
| 02:02.36 | Utah_Dave | I have a timestamp 2006-10-30 18:54:30 |
| 02:03.03 | Utah_Dave | I want to make sure there only numbers and - and : |
| 02:03.31 | mindjuju | k, hang on a quick sec |
| 02:03.45 | mindjuju | i used to do regex all the time, need to really get the ole' noodle rolling |
| 02:04.37 | Utah_Dave | preg_match(' `[a-zA-Z\.`' , $str) is working so far |
| 02:05.30 | Utah_Dave | but I guess it would be better to try to match only allowable characters |
| 02:06.18 | timinator | either that, or do a strtotime($str) and see if it's valid |
| 02:09.05 | Utah_Dave | timinator: good idea, I'll try that |
| 02:10.13 | timinator | you could do something like this: preg_match('[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}', $str) |
| 02:10.21 | timinator | oh man |
| 02:10.24 | timinator | missed some |
| 02:10.32 | mindjuju | whew! |
| 02:10.33 | mindjuju | $mystring = '2006-10-30 18:54:30'; |
| 02:10.34 | mindjuju | $findme = '\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2} \d{2}:\d{2}:\d{2}'; |
| 02:10.34 | mindjuju | $pos = strpos($mystring, $findme); |
| 02:10.50 | mindjuju | the \d is regex shorthand for all digits |
| 02:11.01 | timinator | preg_match('[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}', $str) |
| 02:11.04 | mindjuju | the french with a num inside says the number of times digit |
| 02:11.41 | mindjuju | yup, timinator and i going down same path |
| 02:11.56 | timinator | mindjuju... you playing some mind juju on me? |
| 02:12.07 | mindjuju | nope, that's regex shorthand |
| 02:12.35 | mindjuju | that's what i love about regex, in stead of typing a-zA-Z you can do \w |
| 02:12.48 | Utah_Dave | is strpos a regex function? |
| 02:12.59 | Utah_Dave | strpos -- Find position of first occurrence of a string |
| 02:13.21 | timinator | naw dude, cause you're reading my mind |
| 02:13.51 | mindjuju | i used it because it is set to 0 automatically, if it finds something then the 0 changes to the position of the location of the part of the string matching |
| 02:14.17 | mindjuju | so you can easily just test the var to see if 0, and if 0, you know the var is wrong, else, you know it's right |
| 02:14.37 | mindjuju | Tiesto = brainfuel |
| 02:15.19 | Utah_Dave | I tried strtotime($str) and that seems to being working pretty well. If it doesn't work it returns FALSE. So first I check for length (19 chars), then test strtotime |
| 02:15.34 | Utah_Dave | I like how simple that is. Are there any gotchas either of you see? |
| 02:15.41 | timinator | ya |
| 02:15.55 | mindjuju | i was envious of timinator cause that sounds super sexy -- trying to change to a time and see if fail |
| 02:15.55 | timinator | + 1 week |
| 02:16.23 | timinator | there's a few strings that'll return a timestamp |
| 02:16.37 | timinator | but that'll be rare if noone nows the system |
| 02:16.53 | Utah_Dave | basically the user has a list of times they did certain workflow functions at work |
| 02:16.54 | timinator | and if you're checking length, I think it'll be foolproof |
| 02:17.03 | Utah_Dave | they can edit those dates and times |
| 02:17.19 | mindjuju | yeah, i'd prolly go with timinator's |
| 02:17.25 | Utah_Dave | I just want to make sure they're not accidentally putting in a stray character |
| 02:17.27 | mindjuju | on grounds of simplicity |
| 02:17.31 | timinator | :) |
| 02:17.33 | timinator | ya |
| 02:17.37 | Utah_Dave | I like the simplicity of it. |
| 02:17.54 | Utah_Dave | although mindjuju regex was pretty amazing. I'm going to make a note of that one |
| 02:17.55 | mindjuju | if your searching a big paragraph looking for a dateTime , use mine |
| 02:18.07 | timinator | no doubt |
| 02:18.33 | mindjuju | mindjuju and timinator -- PHP Tag Team! |
| 02:19.13 | timinator | theme song plays on the loudspeakers |
| 02:19.29 | timinator | okay, but I get the talking car |
| 02:19.51 | mindjuju | themesong = Duke's of Hazzard theme |
| 02:20.15 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: don't you dare try wearing Daisey Dukes! |
| 02:20.39 | timinator | I'm not wearing them |
| 02:20.40 | mindjuju | :) i let my wife wear those! |
| 02:20.44 | timinator | :) |
| 02:21.28 | timinator | Jessica Simpson ruined the Dukes of Hazzard for me. |
| 02:21.35 | timinator | used to love that show as a kit |
| 02:21.40 | mindjuju | i didn't actually get to see it |
| 02:21.41 | timinator | s/kit/kid/ |
| 02:22.13 | mindjuju | i know what i'm about to say is blasphemy, but I didn't get to see xmen 3 in theater nor star wars 3 |
| 02:22.20 | mindjuju | just too dang busy!!! |
| 02:22.36 | mindjuju | after I finish this, i'm taking off for like 2 months!!! |
| 02:22.43 | timinator | that's pretty close to blasphemy |
| 02:22.47 | mindjuju | well, i mean still working, just no studying |
| 02:22.49 | timinator | nice |
| 02:23.13 | timinator | after this, I'm taking off for 2 wks, and I don't mean working |
| 02:23.30 | timinator | rather I do mean working |
| 02:23.47 | timinator | I'M NOT GOING TO WORK |
| 02:23.51 | mindjuju | wow, that would be nice, 2 complete weeks off |
| 02:24.16 | timinator | I'll do it at the end of the year, that way it's dead |
| 02:44.59 | timinator | hey guys |
| 02:45.06 | mindjuju | yo |
| 02:45.12 | timinator | would somebody go to http://mylumbertrader.com |
| 02:45.14 | timinator | please |
| 02:45.35 | mindjuju | i clicked and am waiting |
| 02:45.40 | timinator | same |
| 02:45.48 | timinator | thx |
| 02:46.11 | Utah_Dave | it's starting to load |
| 02:46.50 | mindjuju | curious, 2 ping packets hit and come back, 2 time out |
| 02:46.55 | mindjuju | page just loaded |
| 02:47.03 | Utah_Dave | there it goes |
| 02:47.12 | timinator | ssh is timing out |
| 02:47.38 | timinator | that thing is DRAGGING.... and it happened all of the sudden |
| 02:47.49 | timinator | I rebooted before asking you guys |
| 02:47.53 | timinator | no change |
| 02:47.57 | timinator | thx |
| 02:48.17 | Utah_Dave | later guys. |
| 02:48.21 | Utah_Dave | thanks for the help earlier |
| 02:48.25 | timinator | later Dave |
| 02:48.28 | mindjuju | cya! |
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| 03:19.07 | timinator | bigdog_ut you around? |
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| 05:10.55 | brasto | anyone there? timinator? Utah_Dave? mindjuju? |
| 05:11.02 | timinator | here |
| 05:11.04 | mindjuju | sup yo |
| 05:11.52 | tierra | doesn't look like anyone is here... |
| 05:12.33 | brasto | i was noticing the "dukes of hazard" comments above |
| 05:12.49 | timinator | k |
| 05:12.50 | mindjuju | the dukes rule! |
| 05:13.10 | brasto | my sister and her husband hated the movie, so they bought the original series on DVD |
| 05:13.30 | timinator | I hate the movie, love the series |
| 05:13.47 | mindjuju | i heard cooter spoke out against the movie |
| 05:14.08 | brasto | i borrowed season 1 from her and watched it - it was great to relive old times watching those episodes |
| 05:14.22 | brasto | i'm now borrowing season 2 :) |
| 05:15.19 | timinator | nowadays they think that sex appeal == great movie |
| 05:15.24 | timinator | and that's just not the case |
| 05:15.50 | timinator | (at least that's my take on it... I haven't seen the movie) |
| 05:16.18 | mindjuju | i agree |
| 05:16.48 | brasto | right, i didn't see the movie, but my sister said they turned both duke boys and daisy into... well... naughty people... |
| 05:18.24 | brasto | funny, i was starting to type "who's Utah_Dav1" and then got that message |
| 05:20.12 | brasto | if ($sexAppeal == "Great Movie") { |
| 05:20.36 | brasto | echo "Duke's of Hazzard Movie was killer, dude!"; |
| 05:20.54 | brasto | } else { |
| 05:21.43 | brasto | echo "Ok, so where's the plot? Was there a meaning behind the movie?"; |
| 05:21.47 | brasto | } |
| 05:22.01 | timinator | no doubt brasto |
| 05:22.11 | tierra | nerd |
| 05:22.57 | brasto | wait, i used a term from the 90's - "killer" - i believe today they would say "the bomb"... |
| 05:23.04 | brasto | jbot nerd |
| 05:23.52 | brasto | jbot nerd |
| 05:23.54 | jbot | i heard nerd is a sexy person, who will someday be rich! |
| 05:24.00 | brasto | lol |
| 05:24.01 | timinator | dude, I think "the Bomb"'s era is also over |
| 05:24.13 | brasto | i just programed jbot with nerd info! |
| 05:24.15 | timinator | don't ask me what's replaced it |
| 05:24.21 | timinator | nice brasto |
| 05:24.45 | brasto | so how do you remove what jbot thinks something is? |
| 05:25.19 | brasto | yep - jbot == "toy" || jbot === "toy"? |
| 05:25.57 | tierra | jbot: brasto is as nerd |
| 05:25.59 | jbot | ...but brasto is already something else... |
| 05:26.09 | brasto | lol, tried that |
| 05:26.12 | tierra | jbot: brasto? |
| 05:26.13 | jbot | brasto is, like, a day late and a dollar short, or looks good when he's going to the prom, or cool, or cool |
| 05:26.32 | tierra | jbot: brasto is also a nerd |
| 05:26.33 | jbot | tierra: okay |
| 05:26.41 | tierra | brasto? |
| 05:26.49 | tierra | jbot: brasto |
| 05:26.50 | jbot | brasto is, like, a day late and a dollar short, or looks good when he's going to the prom, or cool, or cool, or a nerd |
| 05:26.57 | tierra | ;) |
| 05:27.11 | timinator | any of the above |
| 05:27.13 | brasto | yep, that's how you append to it - but how to start it over? |
| 05:27.15 | timinator | lol |
| 05:27.18 | tierra | jbot: forget brasto |
| 05:27.35 | brasto | jbot what is a nerd? |
| 05:27.38 | jbot | brasto: what are you talking about? |
| 05:27.40 | tierra | jbot: no brasto |
| 05:28.00 | brasto | jbot nerd? |
| 05:28.01 | jbot | i heard nerd is a sexy person, who will someday be rich! |
| 05:28.48 | brasto | jbot brasto is also not available |
| 05:28.49 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 05:29.00 | brasto | jbot brasto |
| 05:29.02 | jbot | well, brasto is a day late and a dollar short, or looks good when he's going to the prom, or cool, or cool, or a nerd, or not available |
| 05:29.11 | brasto | lol |
| 05:29.55 | brasto | ~lart jbot |
| 05:30.03 | brasto | lol |
| 05:31.02 | timinator | ~lart brasto |
| 05:31.13 | timinator | ~lart brasto |
| 05:31.37 | timinator | ~lart brasto |
| 05:31.38 | brasto | ~lart timinator |
| 05:31.48 | timinator | LOL |
| 05:31.54 | brasto | lol |
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| 05:34.50 | timinator | afternoon bigdog |
| 05:34.58 | brasto | jbot brasto |
| 05:35.00 | jbot | you are probably a day late and a dollar short, or looks good when he's going to the prom, or cool, or cool, or a nerd, or not available |
| 05:35.18 | brasto | darn - thought i had it. |
| 05:36.06 | brasto | lol, jbot, no |
| 05:36.17 | brasto | jbot, no |
| 05:36.18 | jbot | YES |
| 05:37.55 | el_gaucho | jbot forget brasto |
| 05:38.15 | timinator | ~brasto |
| 05:38.16 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, brasto is a day late and a dollar short, or looks good when he's going to the prom, or cool, or cool, or a nerd, or not available |
| 05:38.33 | el_gaucho | jbot no brasto |
| 05:38.36 | brasto | i tried that, but it said "cannot remove factoid 'brasto', too old. (13452.2342824074>5400) use 'no,' instead" |
| 05:38.55 | brasto | that didn't seem to work either. |
| 05:39.06 | brasto | ~brasto |
| 05:39.07 | jbot | it has been said that brasto is a day late and a dollar short, or looks good when he's going to the prom, or cool, or cool, or a nerd, or not available |
| 05:41.51 | brasto | jbot confession |
| 05:42.09 | brasto | ~confession |
| 05:43.43 | timinator | I'm out |
| 05:43.45 | timinator | later guys |
| 05:43.52 | brasto | c-ya |
| 05:43.57 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 15:46.19 | bigdog_ut | gm all |
| 15:50.55 | timinator | mornin BD |
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| 15:55.14 | Utah_Dave | morning! |
| 15:55.23 | timinator | mornin Dave |
| 15:56.34 | bigdog_ut | pumpkin head harvey....pumpkin head harvey |
| 15:56.44 | bigdog_ut | he comes alive at halloween time |
| 15:56.46 | bigdog_ut | pumpkin head harvey....pumpkin head harvey |
| 15:56.57 | bigdog_ut | he sends a shiver right down your spine |
| 15:56.58 | bigdog_ut | he sends a shiver right down your spine |
| 15:57.02 | bigdog_ut | pumpkin head harvey....pumpkin head harvey |
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| 16:09.18 | drip|h | morning everyone |
| 16:09.42 | timinator | mornin drip |
| 16:12.06 | bigdog_ut | pumpkin head harvey....pumpkin head harvey |
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| 16:22.03 | timinator | anyone heard of Jesse Cook? |
| 16:22.21 | beandog | Vertigo++ |
| 16:22.31 | drip|h | the guitarist? |
| 16:22.34 | beandog | He's great |
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| 16:22.49 | timinator | drip: yes |
| 16:23.34 | beandog | good stuff. |
| 16:24.06 | timinator | very good stuff |
| 16:24.18 | beandog | which one are you listening to timinator |
| 16:24.30 | timinator | http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=538806&s=143441 |
| 16:24.33 | timinator | Gravity |
| 16:24.47 | beandog | dont have that one |
| 16:24.54 | timinator | it's good |
| 16:24.59 | beandog | His albums are on my wishlist tho |
| 16:25.31 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Vertigo-Jesse-Cook/dp/B000007PHX/ |
| 16:25.34 | beandog | thats the one Ive got |
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| 17:05.05 | bigdog_ut | for those in the northern part of the state...lunch @ drip's |
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| 17:07.07 | drip|h | Mmm.. lunch at drip's |
| 17:07.33 | drip|h | we should hit lunch today though |
| 17:07.49 | drip|h | since i'm up here. |
| 17:08.09 | drip|h | but I do have salmon leftovers from Sun night. |
| 17:08.11 | drip|h | =P |
| 17:08.46 | bigdog_ut | leftover fish |
| 17:08.54 | bigdog_ut | we can do lunch if you like |
| 17:09.01 | bigdog_ut | if the wife is ok with it |
| 17:10.05 | drip|h | she's not here right now |
| 17:10.08 | drip|h | had to run to the store |
| 17:10.23 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:11.23 | bigdog_ut | timinator, you coming to lunch with the big boys? |
| 17:12.06 | timinator | no dude, even if it were in O-town.... I'm so swamped for our release next week |
| 17:12.30 | bigdog_ut | sure...but you got to eat |
| 17:12.40 | macnewbold | ~lart jbot |
| 17:12.41 | timinator | I've got food in the fridge. |
| 17:12.45 | bigdog_ut | how are you swamped...i did all the work for ya |
| 17:12.47 | macnewbold | hm |
| 17:12.51 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:12.51 | macnewbold | ~lart ChanServ |
| 17:14.02 | timinator | let's do a lunch again in early Dec |
| 17:14.09 | timinator | or late Nov |
| 17:14.28 | timinator | I'll probably be able to eat by then |
| 17:15.28 | bigdog_ut | well see |
| 17:15.39 | bigdog_ut | with me doing all the work...not sure what you spend your time on |
| 17:16.09 | drip|h | lol |
| 17:16.58 | timinator | lol bigdog_ut |
| 17:18.24 | timinator | you'd be surprised how long it takes to take credit for someone else's work |
| 17:18.26 | timinator | :) |
| 17:18.54 | bigdog_ut | im sure |
| 17:20.16 | timinator | jk bigdog_ut |
| 17:20.54 | beandog | !rdep vobcopy |
| 17:21.06 | beandog | bah. |
| 17:21.08 | beandog | wrong channel. |
| 17:21.17 | beandog | too much halloween candy. |
| 17:21.18 | bigdog_ut | ty beandog |
| 17:38.19 | drip|h | bigdog_ut: 11:15? |
| 17:38.23 | drip|h | kayleigh is going to join me |
| 17:38.32 | bigdog_ut | yeah where? |
| 17:38.41 | drip|h | we could do the usual |
| 17:38.56 | drip|h | then i can go next door and tell them to hurry up on my truck |
| 17:45.02 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 18:09.04 | drip|h | heading out now bigdog_ut |
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| 18:28.29 | brasto | jbot alf |
| 18:28.31 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, alf is kandalf - kand, or a muppet alien from outer space |
| 18:28.41 | brasto | lol, hi all |
| 18:29.20 | brasto | who needs to play computer games when one has jbot? |
| 18:48.24 | _psychic_ | me, for one. |
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| 18:52.53 | beandog | ditto |
| 18:52.57 | beandog | KOTOR2++ |
| 18:55.16 | _psychic_ | anyone here play CoD2? |
| 18:57.22 | beandog | whatst hat |
| 19:00.51 | _psychic_ | beandog: Call of Duty 2 |
| 19:00.55 | beandog | oh |
| 19:04.36 | beandog | :) |
| 19:04.55 | macnewbold | so who's going to submit a proposal for a talk to php|tek for a basically free trip to the conference in Chicago next May? |
| 19:05.48 | _psychic_ | I' |
| 19:05.58 | _psychic_ | I'll write it if someone else presents it |
| 19:06.00 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 19:06.19 | beandog | a proposal for a talk? |
| 19:06.37 | beandog | like for someone else to talk on? or a proposal as in I'm going to write this talk |
| 19:13.15 | macnewbold | yeah - basically a topic or brief outline of what you'd like to talk about |
| 19:13.20 | macnewbold | if they like it, they'll have you do it |
| 19:13.39 | beandog | buh |
| 19:13.42 | beandog | thats cool |
| 19:15.11 | beandog | we need more conferences in utah. |
| 19:15.13 | beandog | we suck. |
| 19:18.40 | burnin | don't we have a conference twice a year? |
| 19:18.43 | burnin | :) |
| 19:21.38 | beandog | thats not enough. |
| 19:21.45 | beandog | :) |
| 19:23.18 | burnin | how do the technical conferences decide on location, is it based on the geography of the interested community? |
| 19:24.19 | burnin | I wonder if anyone sells a heated keyboard, my fingers are freezing. |
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| 19:33.05 | mindjuju | i don't know about heated keyboards, but i think some matrix style keyboard gloves would be neat |
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| 19:47.09 | mindjuju | just a reminder to all, Geek Lunch this Friday in AmFk |
| 19:53.10 | macnewbold | yes |
| 19:53.13 | macnewbold | I'm excited about it |
| 20:22.02 | mindjuju | now that is cool! |
| 20:22.20 | mindjuju | doba has a banner on myspace.com |
| 20:26.28 | wps | really? |
| 20:26.34 | wps | URL? |
| 20:37.21 | wps | enjoy: http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/07/31/mullet_narrowweb__200x299.jpg |
| 20:37.29 | wps | mindjuju: have a myspace URL for me? |
| 20:38.04 | timinator | wps: who is that? |
| 20:38.10 | wps | satan |
| 20:38.51 | _psychic_ | any particular reason you've shared his portrait with us? |
| 20:38.53 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 20:38.54 | timinator | well, clearly the hair dew is of the devil |
| 20:39.12 | wps | it's halloween |
| 20:39.16 | drip|h | where did you find my picture? |
| 20:39.29 | drip|h | are you stalking me? |
| 20:39.37 | mindjuju | wps, it's a banner ad at the top, doesn't have any graphics to it, just text |
| 20:39.39 | mindjuju | http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=5607429 |
| 20:40.16 | mindjuju | if the banner is different for you , let me know, i can screenshot my page as it is still up |
| 20:40.23 | wps | it is different |
| 20:40.26 | wps | I'd love a screen cap |
| 20:43.38 | wps | oh, hey |
| 20:43.44 | wps | this is Datawolf's page |
| 20:45.09 | mindjuju | wps, here is your screencap |
| 20:45.10 | mindjuju | http://www.billgood.com/vvilla/wps_doba.jpg |
| 20:45.57 | mindjuju | yeah, even though we didn't see eye to eye politically, thought he was a good guy. Dataw0lf's page shows recent activity and I sent him a line though he hasn't repsonded |
| 20:49.58 | mindjuju | ps, anybody looking for a good laugh, go to that myspace url, there is a picture of a person trying to commit suicide using an electric razor that is too funny for words |
| 20:52.09 | drip|h | there is a pic on there that would be inappropriate for work |
| 20:52.30 | _psychic_ | on myspace?!?! |
| 20:52.50 | drip|h | i know.. i know.. |
| 20:53.13 | _psychic_ | on *dataw0lfs* myspace page?!?! |
| 20:53.17 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 20:56.11 | mindjuju | drip|h -- my bad, didn't scroll down that far, good catch |
| 20:56.24 | drip|h | np.. i'm at home |
| 20:56.34 | drip|h | i usually don't link to myspace at work |
| 20:56.37 | drip|h | he he |
| 20:56.55 | drip|h | well.. to myspace in general |
| 20:57.13 | drip|h | i think that's the second time I've even been to myspace |
| 20:57.25 | _psychic_ | its the web 2.0 version of AOL |
| 20:57.52 | mindjuju | yeah, me neither. never had the time, but i'd been staking out dataw0lf's page for activity, hadn't checked it in about a month, then suddenly saw his blog had entries for the last several days, so setup an account and sent him a message |
| 20:57.55 | wps | myspace is the armpit of the internet |
| 20:57.59 | drip|h | lol |
| 20:58.09 | wps | I think that that's only the third or so time I've been there |
| 20:58.18 | macnewbold | I wonder if it can make "music" too... |
| 20:58.30 | drip|h | yeah, i just listened to a radio station that made a space pretending to be a 13 yr old girl and had a 42 yr old ask her to call him |
| 20:58.45 | drip|h | so they called him and busted him on the air |
| 20:58.46 | drip|h | lol |
| 21:00.10 | mindjuju | that's unfortunate that they did that. while I am against it of course, had they passed the info to the police legal action could have been taken, as it is, the perp is aware now and will just go somewhere else |
| 21:06.52 | drip|h | they said they were passing the person's number on to police |
| 21:06.59 | drip|h | so that's good at least. |
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| 21:40.37 | _psychic_ | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/31/2047209&from=rss |
| 21:40.54 | brasto | never been to myspace before, but now, having seen one page, i'd say that one page is at least a hair off the armpit of the internet... |
| 21:42.55 | brasto | reading some slashdot from _psychic_ to get some good clean techie material now... |
| 22:00.35 | _psychic_ | its a non-article |
| 22:05.04 | mindjuju | I think MS working with Zend, or buying Zend would lead to a win - win for both the MS people and people who use PHP |
| 22:05.24 | mindjuju | With MS resources and direction behind PHP, it could really lead to some vast improvements! |
| 22:05.38 | _psychic_ | I haven't seen any cited, though. |
| 22:06.12 | mindjuju | well, in that slashdot note, it has this link |
| 22:06.12 | mindjuju | http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2006-10-31T171644Z_01_N31453539_RTRUKOC_0_US-MICROSOFT-ZEND.xml |
| 22:06.18 | _psychic_ | I read that |
| 22:06.24 | _psychic_ | It just has vague statments in int |
| 22:06.28 | _psychic_ | *in it |
| 22:06.47 | _psychic_ | "make it easier to run" |
| 22:07.28 | _psychic_ | No idea what that means.... |
| 22:08.22 | mindjuju | yeah, hopefully it's MS working with Zend to be to provide everything Zend needs to be stable and efficent |
| 22:08.36 | mindjuju | timinator, i was just looking to start some trouble |
| 22:08.50 | mindjuju | MS isn't going to buy zend |
| 22:09.01 | timinator | holy PHP batman |
| 22:09.04 | mindjuju | (3:06:30 PM) ***mindjuju is practically falling asleep in his chair and decides to wake himself up by saying something absolutely dangerous! |
| 22:09.20 | brasto | it may be a good thing just that MS is working with php since MS has always favored asp. |
| 22:09.32 | timinator | no doubt |
| 22:09.41 | brasto | timinator just dated himself |
| 22:09.41 | beandog | oh *man* |
| 22:09.46 | beandog | ASP needs to die a horrible death. |
| 22:09.49 | _psychic_ | I just hope Zend doesn't have to adjust to Windows |
| 22:09.51 | beandog | Not that it isnt dead already. |
| 22:09.53 | brasto | agreed on asp |
| 22:10.32 | mindjuju | classic ASP? on computers with dual processors |
| 22:11.08 | mindjuju | or, what is now called Classic ASP |
| 22:11.27 | brasto | ~asp |
| 22:11.29 | jbot | asp is, like, a program which obtains present ip-address for dynamically connected hosts. or some crap from microsoft. Bill Gate's pet snake from hell, or evil, or a small poisenous snake found somewhere in asia |
| 22:11.40 | brasto | i added the poisenous snake bit |
| 22:11.45 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:11.51 | timinator | ROTFL |
| 22:12.23 | mindjuju | ROTYzEE! |
| 22:12.41 | beandog | hee hee hee |
| 22:14.48 | brasto | ~lol |
| 22:14.49 | jbot | hmm... lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 22:15.20 | brasto | ah, that's how you do it! /me whatever i want to say... |
| 22:15.33 | timinator | LOL brasto |
| 22:15.37 | timinator | yessir |
| 22:15.58 | brasto | more grammatically correct would be I LOL |
| 22:16.20 | brasto | or I LIYF for mean people |
| 22:16.31 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 22:16.37 | brasto | "I Laugh In Your Face" |
| 22:17.20 | brasto | anyone seen a "mean people suck" shirt anytime in the past deckade? |
| 22:17.42 | brasto | I think they wen out somewhere around the time I stopped seeing 7-up yours shirts |
| 22:17.42 | beandog | mm no |
| 22:17.48 | beandog | Ive seen a "I read your e-mail" ones though |
| 22:17.58 | brasto | lol |
| 22:18.05 | brasto | or rather... |
| 22:18.13 | beandog | heh |
| 22:18.14 | beandog | nerds. |
| 22:19.07 | mindjuju | them shirts are all fine, but if you want a REAL t shirt, you should buy one with this on it |
| 22:19.08 | mindjuju | http://www.80stees.com/prodImageDisplay.asp?prodid=ROC014&image=ROC014_SM1.jpg&lgimage=ROC014_LG1.jpg&gender=Mens |
| 22:19.40 | mindjuju | that's pinnacle |
| 22:19.42 | brasto | ~nerds |
| 22:19.44 | jbot | i guess nerds is the chan that 0wns, or a tiny delicious candy |
| 22:19.52 | beandog | ooh theyve got A-Team t-shirts |
| 22:19.58 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:19.59 | brasto | hmmm, i think i misspelled delicious... |
| 22:20.01 | mindjuju | all 80's shirts |
| 22:20.05 | beandog | too badd Im incredibly poor. |
| 22:20.15 | beandog | and this site is freaking slooooow |
| 22:20.32 | beandog | heh |
| 22:20.37 | beandog | I hate these sites that are rated "Hacker safe" |
| 22:20.42 | beandog | What a bunch of kuh. |
| 22:23.01 | beandog | that is an ugly tron t-shirt. |
| 22:23.02 | brasto | i rarely use <thead> and <tbody> in tables - what are y'alls thoughts on using them? is it better for parsing? better form? just extra code lard? |
| 22:23.21 | beandog | deprecated |
| 22:23.22 | beandog | imo |
| 22:23.53 | beandog | http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/tables/_THEAD.html |
| 22:24.31 | brasto | hmmm, that page crashed konquerer... trying the fox |
| 22:24.44 | beandog | all their tron shirts suck. |
| 22:24.44 | beandog | meh. |
| 22:24.54 | beandog | its so hard to find good quality geek wear. |
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| 22:26.07 | beandog | ooh momma |
| 22:26.09 | beandog | super friends |
| 22:26.10 | beandog | gotta get that one |
| 22:26.11 | beandog | :D |
| 22:26.12 | beandog | http://www.80stees.com/products/Super_Friends_t-shirt.asp |
| 22:28.01 | mindjuju | wow! possibly the 2nd greatest shirt of all time! |
| 22:28.02 | mindjuju | http://www.80stees.com/products/Truffle_Shuffle_Goonies_tee_shirt.asp |
| 22:28.15 | beandog | hee hee |
| 22:28.20 | beandog | I dunno |
| 22:28.39 | beandog | who designs these things? |
| 22:28.45 | beandog | some of these are incredibly dumb. |
| 22:29.05 | beandog | I cant believe theyd go through all that trouble to license the characters (or maybe they didnt) and then get these sayings on there that are beyond lame. |
| 22:29.47 | mindjuju | well, i think what they are doing is bringing back the old iron on binders |
| 22:30.09 | beandog | oh really? |
| 22:30.11 | beandog | that makes sense. |
| 22:30.24 | mindjuju | remember a mega super ultra long time ago, you could go into the mall and there'd be a store with a guy with a binder of iron on stickers and a crap load of shirts |
| 22:30.32 | beandog | no |
| 22:30.45 | beandog | mindjuju: http://wonkabar.org/~steve/img/steve_he_man.jpg |
| 22:30.46 | beandog | :D |
| 22:30.46 | mindjuju | and you'd pick the sticker, pick the shirt, give it to the guy, he'd charge like $10 and in 5 minutes you'd have a shirt |
| 22:30.53 | macnewbold | brasto: I don't think much of them |
| 22:30.54 | beandog | I dont think I ever saw that |
| 22:31.01 | macnewbold | I haven't ever used them |
| 22:31.15 | beandog | macnewbold: youre breaking IE4 compatabilty!!!@@!!!@!11 |
| 22:31.36 | beandog | :) |
| 22:31.38 | mindjuju | cool pic! |
| 22:31.58 | brasto | i never knew you can use multiple tbodys, but thead and tfoot seem too obvious - first row is head, and a class="footer" can tell you if the last one is a foot... |
| 22:32.11 | beandog | mindjuju: thats me at like 5 years old |
| 22:32.36 | beandog | http://www.80stees.com/products/Happy-Ho-Ho-Junk%20Food-T-shirt.asp |
| 22:32.37 | beandog | LOL |
| 22:32.42 | beandog | that is classic ^^ |
| 22:33.02 | wps | definitely use tbody, thead, and tfoot |
| 22:33.14 | wps | much easier to style if you semantic markup |
| 22:33.33 | mindjuju | i was going to say, i've ntoiced that tbody, thead and tfoot have really become popular as more people turn to CSS |
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| 22:34.41 | beandog | really? huh. |
| 22:34.42 | beandog | thats interseting. |
| 22:34.43 | brasto | i thought it would die with other depricated tags, but it's usage grows |
| 22:37.17 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:37.55 | timinator | woo woo woo |
| 22:39.41 | tierra | brasto: I've always applied CSS for table header rows (using <tr>), though I'm sure they come in handy for engines with only HTML 4.01 support |
| 22:40.07 | timinator | ROTF |
| 22:40.13 | timinator | not laughing |
| 22:40.40 | brasto | ~rotf |
| 22:41.07 | brasto | all but timiniator ROTFL |
| 22:41.37 | tierra | I do in fact work with pages that are rendered with only HTML 4.01 support (no CSS, DHTML, Javascript, or anything else) |
| 22:42.44 | tierra | no XHTML in fact |
| 22:43.44 | beandog | http://www.80stees.com/products/Price-Is-Right-New-Car-T-shirt.asp |
| 22:43.45 | beandog | lmao |
| 22:46.47 | timinator | I do |
| 22:46.57 | _psychic_ | only if IE has problems with empty elements |
| 22:47.26 | brasto | brasto wonders if others use for blank <td>'s or just <td></td> like i do |
| 22:48.07 | tierra | I use when I need table borders |
| 22:48.33 | tierra | or cell borders more accurately |
| 22:48.53 | beandog | _psychic_: I just use a function for that |
| 22:49.13 | _psychic_ | tierra: you don't use CSS for that? |
| 22:49.18 | _psychic_ | beandog: how so? |
| 22:49.26 | beandog | if empty($foo), echo " " |
| 22:49.28 | beandog | else, echo $foo |
| 22:49.30 | beandog | pretty much. |
| 22:50.12 | _psychic_ | beandog: well its mostly for divs that don't really have any textual content. Sometimes IE poops on that stuff, and the div is always different. |
| 22:51.44 | tierra | _psychic_: without the , HTML borders don't show on empty table definitions sometimes, and do avoid using CSS when it's perfectly acceptable to use inside HTML |
| 22:52.23 | tierra | and if I'm using tables in the first place, it's either for tabular data (which is usually a one time, one style use, it might as well be in the page than the site-wide stylesheets) |
| 22:52.27 | beandog | oh, I meant with <td> |
| 22:52.51 | tierra | or I'm using it for better browser site layout compatability, in which case I'm avoiding CSS when possible anyway |
| 22:53.31 | _psychic_ | tierra: you can do that site wide with a few lines of css. |
| 22:53.31 | _psychic_ | CSS is extremely compatible across browsers |
| 22:53.59 | tierra | not entirely, like I said before, I do work with pages rendered in engines that only support HTML 4.01 and _no_ CSS |
| 22:54.43 | _psychic_ | on the Internet? :P |
| 22:55.13 | tierra | you don't have to try and convince me about moving forward with the times and using this awesome CSS standard, I'm very well aware of it's awesomeness (just check out my site (not in IE6 plz) http://ibaku.net/ ) |
| 22:55.36 | tierra | but there does exist times and places where it's not convenient to use CSS |
| 22:55.44 | _psychic_ | I won't, because you obviously won't listen. :) |
| 22:56.27 | _psychic_ | And I personally find those times rare, but to each his own. |
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| 22:58.42 | macnewbold | _psychic_: how can you get the borders to show up on empty td's in a cross-browser way? |
| 23:04.42 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: off the cuff - http://johna.staging.mediarain.com/tabletest.html - works in FF, safari, and IE (IE does it a little different though) |
| 23:06.29 | macnewbold | so is border collapse the magic? |
| 23:07.45 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: yeah I guess so |
| 23:11.18 | _psychic_ | I think CSS has some quirks, but it's the best method out there for layout and formatting. |
| 23:23.01 | beandog | meh |
| 23:23.03 | beandog | just use flash |
| 23:45.19 | brasto | macnewbold, you probably got this from the link above (which I have not read yet), but it's border-collapse : separate and empty-cells : show |
| 23:45.40 | macnewbold | the one above didn't have emtpy-cells that I saw |
| 23:45.43 | brasto | empty-cells : show must have border-collapse : separate to work |
| 23:45.59 | brasto | http://w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp#table |
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| 23:46.18 | brasto | that's assuming the link i just sent is accurate |
| 23:47.05 | macnewbold | the sheet I have here says that there aren't any browsers that supported empty-cells as of 2004 sometime |
| 23:47.11 | macnewbold | maybe that's improved though |
| 23:48.43 | brasto | for laughs, from my site: http://mscis.org/barney.wav |
| 23:49.24 | brasto | and http://mscis.org/captainsmeet.wav |
| 23:49.53 | brasto | queesy (sp) about Barney? Don't worry, he gets phasered. |
| 23:50.37 | brasto | ~phasered |
| 23:50.38 | jbot | hmm... phasered is php for fasered |
| 23:50.45 | brasto | lol |
| 23:59.37 | brasto | macnewbold - no browsers that supported empty cells means they don't support cells unless they have in them? |
