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| 00:55.17 | macnewbold | timinator: you still around? |
| 00:55.26 | timinator | y |
| 00:56.03 | macnewbold | did you get your auth.net stuff resolved? |
| 00:56.09 | timinator | nope |
| 00:56.51 | macnewbold | anything I can do to help? |
| 00:57.41 | timinator | I need to do reoccurring billing and I don't want to store the card #s on my server |
| 00:57.59 | timinator | but they don't seem to have a system for that |
| 00:58.14 | macnewbold | yeah, it's called ARB |
| 00:58.15 | timinator | unless I want to manually set the cards up |
| 00:58.19 | macnewbold | Automated recurring billing |
| 00:58.28 | macnewbold | ah, yes, they're about to turn the API loose, but it isn't out ye |
| 00:58.29 | macnewbold | tt |
| 00:58.30 | macnewbold | t |
| 00:58.45 | macnewbold | yeah, I know, it's kinda lame |
| 00:58.46 | timinator | yes, and I have that.... |
| 00:58.46 | timinator | huh |
| 00:58.51 | macnewbold | we just do ours by holding on to the cards on the server, and running them again |
| 00:58.55 | timinator | that's weird |
| 00:58.59 | macnewbold | ARB costs extra too, if I remember right? |
| 00:59.13 | timinator | I've approved the charges |
| 00:59.17 | macnewbold | yeah, they were doing it for a different market - mom&pop shops and MOTO at first |
| 00:59.25 | timinator | but I don't want to store the cards on my server |
| 00:59.36 | macnewbold | but then they realized that other merchants would use it if they had an API to set it up |
| 00:59.45 | timinator | I see |
| 00:59.48 | timinator | still though |
| 01:00.00 | timinator | they're uncooperative |
| 01:00.01 | macnewbold | it should be coming out soon I bet, but yeah, it's kind of pointless for most of us until they have one |
| 01:00.20 | macnewbold | what are your issues with storing the cards? the security risk, or are there others? |
| 01:00.21 | timinator | I'm going to be forced to switch to another company |
| 01:00.27 | timinator | security |
| 01:00.35 | timinator | I'm on a Linode.... UML |
| 01:00.48 | timinator | not to mention, I don't want the liability |
| 01:00.58 | timinator | and I don't think I should have to have it |
| 01:01.35 | timinator | anyway |
| 01:01.35 | macnewbold | yeah, it's nice when the gateway makes it easy to be secure |
| 01:01.36 | macnewbold | but in this case, they're not quite there yet |
| 01:01.44 | timinator | do you know of another company that is there |
| 01:01.47 | timinator | already |
| 01:01.56 | macnewbold | what part(s) of the security most concern(s) you? |
| 01:02.36 | timinator | that I'll be hacked simply because I'm storing 5000 credit card numbers |
| 01:02.50 | macnewbold | I haven't investigated recurring billing with other processors at all. I've used Versign before, but they're an arm and a leg, and I don't know if they can do it anyway. Cybersource is another option I've heard about, but never tried. |
| 01:03.11 | macnewbold | they won't target you just cause of 5000 cards (They won't know how many you have anyway) |
| 01:03.16 | macnewbold | they'll target bigger people if they can, |
| 01:03.31 | macnewbold | and only target you if they think it will be easy enough that it is worth the payoff |
| 01:03.56 | timinator | I'm on User Mode Linux... sharing the box w/ a couple other guys... |
| 01:04.27 | macnewbold | so the guys that could most easily compromise you are not trusted much? |
| 01:04.41 | timinator | I don't know |
| 01:04.57 | timinator | but I'd rather not take a liability that I don't have to take |
| 01:05.01 | macnewbold | how tight are the boundaries between you and the other UML areas? |
| 01:05.15 | timinator | should be very tight... |
| 01:05.25 | macnewbold | if it's worth the money to go with something more secure, you could get a dedicated server, where you're all alone on the box |
| 01:05.31 | macnewbold | and the only one with root |
| 01:05.43 | timinator | that's my 6mo-1yr plan |
| 01:05.54 | timinator | but I need CC processing in the next few days |
| 01:05.56 | macnewbold | I don't know a lot about what other places offer, but we offer it for $150/month |
| 01:06.02 | macnewbold | yeah, that's a problem |
| 01:06.14 | macnewbold | well, how long will it take oyu to grow your base up to the 5000 you mention? |
| 01:06.45 | timinator | perhaps a few days... we launch the company at a major trade conference in 2 wks |
| 01:06.48 | macnewbold | oh |
| 01:06.50 | macnewbold | hm |
| 01:06.58 | macnewbold | if I were in your shoes, |
| 01:07.05 | timinator | and ther'll be several thousand guys that represent thousands more |
| 01:07.15 | macnewbold | I'd tighten it up as much as I could on security, within reason, |
| 01:07.24 | macnewbold | then just take the cards on my current setup, |
| 01:07.32 | timinator | really? |
| 01:07.34 | macnewbold | and step up the plans to do something better |
| 01:07.43 | timinator | rather than switch to another processor |
| 01:07.45 | macnewbold | yeah, we've got some that we do that store cards |
| 01:08.10 | macnewbold | well, if you're all ready to go on auth.net, then reimplmenting another API would take time |
| 01:08.29 | macnewbold | I've liked auth.net for what I've used them for, they're just still growing their feature list |
| 01:09.01 | timinator | I don't know |
| 01:09.09 | macnewbold | it's not an easy decision, |
| 01:09.14 | timinator | I'm VERY hesitant about storing cards |
| 01:09.18 | macnewbold | but I guess I wouldn't be as worried about getting hacked as you are |
| 01:09.27 | macnewbold | maybe I should be a little more worried, I don't know |
| 01:09.40 | macnewbold | we do make sure that there's no way at all to get the card numbers back out through the web |
| 01:10.20 | macnewbold | but of course, that can be affected by SQL injection if they find a hole somewhere |
| 01:10.26 | timinator | ya, but still.... If you have nothing in the vault of value, it's less likely to get broken into |
| 01:10.41 | macnewbold | unless they _think_ there's something there of value |
| 01:10.51 | macnewbold | really, I'd say that 5000 cards is a drop in the bucked |
| 01:10.56 | macnewbold | s/bucked/bucket/ |
| 01:11.12 | macnewbold | they'd be much more likely to go after someone bigger who wasn't doing things right with their security |
| 01:11.22 | macnewbold | but I know where you're coming from |
| 01:11.59 | macnewbold | or they'd go for attacks they can easily apply to a bunch of places at once - like phpmyadmin holes or something |
| 01:12.02 | timinator | I'm doing everything right, that I know to do, from a security point of view |
| 01:12.04 | timinator | but still |
| 01:12.25 | macnewbold | or a rootkit or something |
| 01:12.25 | timinator | ya |
| 01:12.25 | macnewbold | yeah, it's not worth being kept up at night worrying about |
| 01:12.51 | timinator | ya |
| 01:13.11 | timinator | I'm going to take off in a sec |
| 01:13.23 | timinator | my pregnant wife needs a prescription filled |
| 01:13.30 | timinator | are you still at work??? |
| 01:14.58 | macnewbold | fun |
| 01:14.59 | macnewbold | yeah, well, |
| 01:15.01 | macnewbold | back at work |
| 01:15.06 | macnewbold | went to my boy's soccer game and came back |
| 01:15.11 | macnewbold | to do some gradefix stuff |
| 01:15.23 | macnewbold | tonight or tomorrow we're going to start storing credit cards |
| 01:15.26 | macnewbold | for recurring billing |
| 01:15.29 | macnewbold | :/ |
| 01:15.32 | macnewbold | :-/ |
| 01:15.36 | timinator | :/ |
| 01:16.19 | timinator | I don't know... still thinking of switching to another processor that'll store the cards for us.... |
| 01:16.26 | timinator | then it's on their shoulders |
| 01:17.20 | macnewbold | either way you'll have a real mess on your hands with your customers |
| 01:17.40 | timinator | true |
| 01:18.21 | macnewbold | but it's nice to have it be someone else's fault, if you think they can do it better, or you just don't want the liability |
| 01:18.43 | timinator | I just don't want the liability |
| 01:19.00 | timinator | I actually think I could do a better job (except for the UML stuff) |
| 01:19.08 | macnewbold | hehe, well, |
| 01:19.15 | macnewbold | that's a good reason not to stay up at night worrying about it |
| 01:19.19 | timinator | but my plan B is to store encrypted card numbers |
| 01:19.36 | timinator | using my own keys that would be built at random |
| 01:19.38 | macnewbold | and check your merchant agreement to see what your financial liability is in case of fraud |
| 01:19.39 | timinator | for each card |
| 01:19.52 | macnewbold | timinator: but then you're just dependent on the security of the key(s) |
| 01:20.00 | timinator | yes.... |
| 01:20.09 | timinator | but it would be much more comples |
| 01:20.12 | macnewbold | if they're stored anywhere the web server can use them, then you're just as vulnerable |
| 01:20.20 | timinator | s/comples/complex/ |
| 01:20.24 | macnewbold | more complex isn't always better |
| 01:20.32 | timinator | true |
| 01:20.42 | macnewbold | raises the bar some, but might just be more obscurity |
| 01:21.19 | timinator | yes |
| 01:21.42 | macnewbold | anyway, it's not an easy problem, |
| 01:21.53 | timinator | ya |
| 01:21.58 | timinator | I'll sleep on it |
| 01:22.04 | macnewbold | I ought to check with my sis-in-law and see when they're coming out with that API for ARB, |
| 01:22.09 | macnewbold | maybe you can beta test for them or something |
| 01:22.19 | timinator | that would be nice |
| 01:22.26 | burnin | don't keep the encryption key on the server, setup recurring billing once a month and enter the key for processing but don't save it. |
| 01:23.04 | timinator | the prob comes in when the user wants to change his card and there's no way to retrieve it from the processor |
| 01:23.17 | timinator | otherwise |
| 01:23.31 | burnin | why would you need to retrieve the old card? |
| 01:23.45 | timinator | to remove it.... |
| 01:23.54 | timinator | so they are not double charged |
| 01:24.08 | timinator | and I need to retrieve the approvals on each card anyway |
| 01:24.44 | macnewbold | but you can delete it while it is still encrypted |
| 01:24.48 | timinator | to attribute that approval/withdraw to their account |
| 01:24.49 | macnewbold | you don't need to decrypt to remove it |
| 01:25.19 | timinator | no, I mean if I manually setup the card in authorize.net for monthly billing |
| 01:25.24 | macnewbold | if the processor is holding the card for you, |
| 01:25.34 | macnewbold | then there'd be a token for that customer that you could store, |
| 01:25.37 | macnewbold | instead of the card itself |
| 01:25.47 | macnewbold | maybe partial card number or the md5 of a card number would work |
| 01:25.48 | timinator | that's what I'd think |
| 01:25.54 | timinator | but it doesn't seem to be that way |
| 01:26.01 | timinator | perhaps I missed something |
| 01:26.14 | timinator | ya |
| 01:26.16 | macnewbold | well, since ARB has no public API yet, that's a big chunk missing, but |
| 01:26.30 | timinator | I had planned on storing the last 4 digits of the card |
| 01:26.35 | macnewbold | it would at least be associated with the customer, |
| 01:26.43 | timinator | and an unique id |
| 01:26.43 | macnewbold | so you could look up the customer, delete the old card, and put in the new one |
| 01:26.50 | macnewbold | right, that would work |
| 01:27.09 | timinator | I'll look into it a bit more in the morning |
| 01:27.14 | timinator | I have to run now though |
| 01:27.20 | timinator | thanks for the help |
| 01:27.23 | macnewbold | no prob |
| 01:27.25 | macnewbold | see you tomorrow |
| 01:27.42 | timinator | ya, see you guys |
| 01:27.49 | burnin | cya |
| 01:27.51 | macnewbold | take care of that wife |
| 01:28.10 | timinator | no doubt |
| 02:31.16 | Utah_Dave | man, I am in the zone right now |
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| 02:32.49 | herlo | Utah_Dave: really, whatcha working on? |
| 02:32.53 | burnin | Utah_Dave: writing some inspiring code? |
| 02:35.11 | Utah_Dave | I'm working on my scheduling/tracking app at work. |
| 02:35.23 | Utah_Dave | and now that most everyone else has gone home and it's quiet |
| 02:35.31 | Utah_Dave | I am seriously kicking it butt. Big time |
| 02:35.57 | Utah_Dave | I got my chips... I got my Dr. Pepper and Rage Against the Machine |
| 02:36.13 | burnin | Woot! |
| 02:36.51 | Utah_Dave | yep! I'm in that zone where I write a new function or class and BAM! it just works. |
| 02:37.11 | herlo | boo ya!! |
| 02:38.49 | Utah_Dave | Code Igniter rocks the house. |
| 02:39.04 | Utah_Dave | or maybe it's just MVC in general, but it's rocking the house |
| 02:39.46 | Utah_Dave | In about a week, I've rewritten what took me probably 4 months to write 2 years ago |
| 02:39.58 | burnin | nice |
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| 02:40.26 | burnin | feels good when the code just flows |
| 02:41.44 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 02:45.01 | burnin | http://66.219.228.11/~burnin/Screenshot.png |
| 02:45.02 | burnin | ;) |
| 02:46.32 | Utah_Dave | dang, I just did it again. |
| 02:47.11 | macnewbold | nice, you rock Dave |
| 02:47.16 | macnewbold | did Lorin get stuff figured out? |
| 02:47.25 | Utah_Dave | pretty much. |
| 02:47.30 | macnewbold | good |
| 02:47.31 | Utah_Dave | I hope I didn't step on your toes |
| 02:47.38 | macnewbold | he's got really high hopes for someone with a small budget |
| 02:47.51 | macnewbold | I tried and tried to give budget-sensitive solutions, but often he wouldn't take them |
| 02:48.00 | Utah_Dave | yeah. He wants the world for $500 |
| 02:48.08 | Utah_Dave | he wants exactly what he wants, huh? |
| 02:48.10 | macnewbold | or changes the plan often enough that you have to backtrack, undo, etc |
| 02:48.33 | Utah_Dave | he kept coming to me during my lunch break and paying me $100 bucks to do this or that on his website. |
| 02:48.33 | macnewbold | yeah, but that's a privilege only enjoyed by those who can do it themselves or pay someone to do it for them ;) |
| 02:48.41 | macnewbold | nice |
| 02:49.05 | macnewbold | I hope it does a lot better for him than I think it will |
| 02:49.34 | Utah_Dave | yeah, $100 bucks in cash the wife doesn't know about! gotta take it. Plus I've almost got him trained to focus on a few important items |
| 02:50.06 | macnewbold | haha |
| 02:50.08 | macnewbold | that's great |
| 02:50.11 | Utah_Dave | He wanted me to go in on another dating site with him |
| 02:50.32 | Utah_Dave | but I would go nuts being a partner with him, plus there's a lot of dating sites out there |
| 02:51.13 | macnewbold | yeah, and I don't think they do as well in the mormon market anymore as he wants to think they'll do |
| 02:52.07 | Utah_Dave | I hope he does well. I don't mind quick updates and small changes. |
| 02:52.29 | Utah_Dave | sometimes he'll ask me to do something for him and he'll ask me how much. I'll say $75 bucks. |
| 02:52.44 | Utah_Dave | Then he'll say, OK, how about $150 if you do it today. |
| 02:52.49 | macnewbold | nice |
| 02:52.50 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 02:52.57 | Utah_Dave | And sometimes it's really not a ton of work, but he doesn't know how to do it. |
| 02:53.00 | macnewbold | it's expensive to be impatient |
| 02:54.38 | Utah_Dave | yep |
| 02:57.22 | burnin | http://66.219.228.11/~burnin/bb/ |
| 02:57.40 | burnin | not much, just learning and expanding on what I have so far. |
| 02:58.51 | macnewbold | kinda cool, burnin |
| 02:58.59 | macnewbold | the browse menu behaves a bit funny on my firefox |
| 02:59.20 | macnewbold | (some stuff overlaps, and it gets worse when it goes bold and makes them wrap to two lines) |
| 02:59.38 | Utah_Dave | nice |
| 02:59.47 | Utah_Dave | starting to look good, burnin |
| 03:00.04 | burnin | macnewbold: yeah, need to work on that, looks okay on my browser but I've seen the same issue on other boxes and other browsers. |
| 03:00.55 | macnewbold | my browser has a wider-than-most font (bitstream vera sans) |
| 03:01.09 | macnewbold | if you made the column just 10-20px wider, it would probably be fine |
| 03:01.20 | macnewbold | or if it was a table instead or something |
| 03:01.47 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: good thing wps wasn't around to hear you saying that! :) |
| 03:02.15 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah, I'd be in trouble |
| 03:02.18 | burnin | as it is the width is just enough with my browser setup, it doesn't take much to push it over the edge. |
| 03:02.30 | macnewbold | and now that you said wps, he's going to look back and see what he was mentioned for |
| 03:02.35 | macnewbold | and I'll be busted |
| 03:02.36 | macnewbold | :( |
| 03:03.06 | macnewbold | the thing about divs is that they don't always keep everything inside them. Once they're floated, they don't push containers around them to be any bigger when necessary, |
| 03:03.10 | macnewbold | but tables do that just fine |
| 03:03.28 | burnin | dynamically? |
| 03:04.19 | burnin | as the width requirement is changed the browser will rerender the table width and the container next to it? |
| 03:05.25 | macnewbold | yeah, they redraw it |
| 03:05.37 | macnewbold | like if a cell changes size, it reshuffles everything when necessary |
| 03:05.39 | macnewbold | at least , I think so |
| 03:05.57 | macnewbold | I don't usually do it with javascript, but when it renders the page the first time, at least it does it right |
| 03:06.11 | macnewbold | with divs, if you're off on the width and it wraps, it's going to drop out the bottom almost for sure |
| 03:06.47 | burnin | I'll have to try it |
| 03:07.57 | macnewbold | they're a little old school, and a bit out of style, but I find them more robust than layouts based on floated divs |
| 03:08.05 | macnewbold | sorry, wps :) |
| 03:08.30 | burnin | lol |
| 03:09.01 | burnin | I have little experience with them but I'm finding it very difficult to get them rendering the same in all browsers. |
| 03:09.20 | Utah_Dave | it can definitely be tough to do. |
| 03:09.30 | Utah_Dave | I struggle with all this css stuff |
| 03:11.06 | macnewbold | yeah, that's always an issue |
| 03:11.18 | Utah_Dave | If I stray too far from the really easy stuff I fall into the pit of despair |
| 03:11.18 | macnewbold | it gets a little better if you use a doctype that says xhtml of some kind, |
| 03:11.33 | macnewbold | cause then MSIE and some others come out of "quirks mode" and go into normal mode |
| 03:11.53 | macnewbold | there are some real oddities with the ways MSIE measures things, among other things |
| 03:11.54 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I do that because I've heard it helps |
| 03:12.46 | macnewbold | it doesn't solve much, but it fixes a few of the stupidest problems it seems |
| 03:12.47 | burnin | heh, I've noticed some strange IE quirks |
| 03:12.55 | macnewbold | quirksmode.org is helpful |
| 03:13.21 | burnin | have to go back and look at my css, but there was some weird 2x margin bug in css that was eliminated by adding some nonsense css parameter. |
| 03:13.47 | Utah_Dave | so burnin, how is it coding in Quanta? |
| 03:13.57 | burnin | and ie doesn't have the problems with the menu width becuase it does some weird rendering of the border and what not. |
| 03:14.15 | burnin | I like quanta, sec gotta grab the dinner plate... |
| 03:16.55 | burnin | I like the code completion and sftp in quanta. |
| 03:17.19 | burnin | it actually recognizes variables in your code and can do code completion on those. |
| 03:17.38 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 03:17.50 | burnin | and I like keeping my project on the server and using ssh in quanta to edit the project off the server. |
| 03:18.42 | burnin | however, if not for the project management over ssh and the code completion I'd probably just use vi. :) |
| 03:20.05 | Utah_Dave | that's cool. vi rocks |
| 03:21.24 | Utah_Dave | I've been using Eclipse for a couple of months now. It was a bit of a pain at first, but I love it now. |
| 03:21.39 | Utah_Dave | Now if only I could get the vim key bindings to work in Eclipse |
| 03:21.54 | burnin | yeah, I need to try eclipse, I hear alot about it |
| 03:22.35 | Utah_Dave | it's pretty cool. My biggest hangup at first was that it's very "project" oriented. |
| 03:22.57 | Utah_Dave | you have to create a project, which doesn't correlate to the filesystem |
| 03:23.24 | Utah_Dave | but once I figured out how to create a folder that links to a folder on the file system, that fixed the last hangup I had with it. |
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| 03:51.50 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: you just getting to work? slacker! :) |
| 03:52.09 | mindjuju | :) |
| 03:52.21 | mindjuju | been here since 9a, just been in meets most of the day |
| 03:52.57 | mindjuju | hows your day been utah_dave? |
| 03:54.51 | Utah_Dave | my day has been great. I'm working late at the office and I have gotten a TON done. |
| 03:55.26 | Utah_Dave | one of those days where every function works right the first try. |
| 03:55.37 | mindjuju | that cool! |
| 03:55.42 | Utah_Dave | I've been in the zone all evening. but I'm winding down. about to go home. |
| 03:55.43 | mindjuju | did you find an answer for Access? |
| 03:56.01 | Utah_Dave | Um, kind of |
| 03:56.14 | Utah_Dave | there's a Web services SDK that looks like it can do what I want |
| 03:56.27 | Utah_Dave | so I can to xml-rpc calls from Access to my web server |
| 03:56.50 | Utah_Dave | but we may be able to eliminate Access by doing it all from our intranet |
| 03:57.01 | Utah_Dave | it's going to take a while to get it all done though |
| 03:57.56 | mindjuju | anyway that you can avoid using access is a win |
| 03:58.59 | Utah_Dave | so true. I know the basics of Access, but haven't used it for anything for like 10 years. |
| 03:59.19 | mindjuju | lucky you, i'm at like 180 days of not using access |
| 03:59.35 | Utah_Dave | when our access guy comes over asking for advice, I'm continually shocked at it's limitations and also the guy's stupidity |
| 03:59.38 | burnin | postgresql ;)\ |
| 04:00.09 | Utah_Dave | I'm trying to offload any thinking to my server so he can just display it in his pretty forms. |
| 04:00.27 | Utah_Dave | otherwise his access frontend is dog slow |
| 04:00.44 | Utah_Dave | thanks for helping the other night, mindjuju |
| 04:00.53 | Utah_Dave | I'm heading home now. Have a good one. |
| 04:00.56 | mindjuju | fo sho, anything i can do |
| 04:01.01 | mindjuju | you too! |
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| 04:05.09 | macnewbold | mindjuju: you going home soon? |
| 04:05.31 | mindjuju | nope, but i'm taking off tomorrow |
| 04:05.37 | mindjuju | what about you? |
| 04:05.38 | macnewbold | nice |
| 04:05.40 | macnewbold | that's good |
| 04:05.45 | macnewbold | I'm winding down, I think I'll go home |
| 04:06.04 | macnewbold | I thought my partner might come by to go over some stuff, but he didn't, so no point waiting around |
| 04:06.18 | mindjuju | fo sho. how's gradefix? |
| 04:08.19 | macnewbold | pretty good |
| 04:08.22 | macnewbold | we get new users every day |
| 04:08.26 | macnewbold | without even trying |
| 04:08.33 | macnewbold | and we're in at least 20 countries now |
| 04:08.47 | macnewbold | every continent except for africa and antartica |
| 04:08.54 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 04:09.02 | macnewbold | yeah, it's pretty exciting to see it grow |
| 04:09.23 | macnewbold | we expected a little bit maybe from some of the english-speaking foreign countries, but we've gotten a ton from everywhere that we never expected |
| 04:09.40 | macnewbold | there's one particular school in china that keeps having student after student sign up |
| 04:10.06 | mindjuju | that's awesome! what part of china? |
| 04:11.09 | mindjuju | or can you? |
| 04:13.48 | macnewbold | I haven't tried much |
| 04:13.52 | macnewbold | the school is xis.com |
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| 05:33.31 | beandog | anyone still awake |
| 05:33.32 | macnewbold | wahoo |
| 05:33.39 | beandog | macnewbold: go to bed |
| 05:33.43 | macnewbold | I just finished up |
| 05:33.47 | macnewbold | heading home now, finally |
| 05:34.00 | macnewbold | I got here at 7:30am this morning |
| 05:34.03 | macnewbold | haha |
| 05:34.03 | beandog | its worth going to see it in 3-D |
| 05:34.06 | macnewbold | good stuff |
| 05:34.15 | beandog | yah |
| 05:34.19 | beandog | they didnt change anything either. |
| 05:35.56 | el_gaucho | sounds cool |
| 05:36.04 | el_gaucho | i might take my girls to go see it |
| 06:08.18 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.21 | beandog | holy crap. |
| 06:08.32 | mindjuju | wrong chat window? |
| 06:08.37 | beandog | no, thats fast. |
| 06:08.43 | beandog | went back down to 560kbps |
| 06:08.45 | beandog | :C |
| 06:09.00 | mindjuju | what are you on? |
| 06:09.08 | beandog | comcast |
| 06:09.21 | mindjuju | how much does it cost? |
| 06:09.34 | beandog | $55/mo |
| 06:09.37 | beandog | too freaking much. |
| 06:09.58 | mindjuju | i sure wish Airswitch was still round |
| 06:10.13 | mindjuju | I never got above 1 M/s but it was $20 a month |
| 13:50.09 | macnewbold | good morning, all |
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| 14:42.08 | bigdog_ut | gm everyone |
| 14:42.18 | bigdog_ut | ~hail bigdog_ut |
| 14:42.21 | jbot | ACTION bows down to bigdog_ut and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:42.36 | bigdog_ut | ~hail bigdog_ut bigdog_ut |
| 14:42.40 | jbot | ACTION bows down to bigdog_ut bigdog_ut and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 15:11.06 | timinator | la la la |
| 15:11.15 | timinator | I have voooiiiiiicccceeeeee |
| 15:16.40 | _psychic_ | what exactly is that for? |
| 15:17.14 | timinator | I don't know... just a little goofy before I get coffee in me and know better |
| 15:17.56 | _psychic_ | maybe its the coffee in the first place |
| 15:18.04 | timinator | perhaps |
| 15:18.06 | timinator | lol |
| 15:18.22 | _psychic_ | ~wake timinator |
| 15:18.31 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on timinator and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 15:19.05 | timinator | okay, I'm awake now |
| 15:19.17 | timinator | holy moly, did I say those things out loud? |
| 15:28.58 | timinator | anybody here work at bluehost? |
| 15:30.15 | Utah_Dave | I use bluehost, but don't work there |
| 15:30.38 | timinator | right on |
| 15:30.42 | timinator | do you like them? |
| 15:31.44 | macnewbold | I've worked with bluehost before too |
| 15:31.59 | macnewbold | their "ssh access" is a joke, but otherwise, it's been decent from what I've seen |
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| 15:34.19 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I like them a lot. |
| 15:34.39 | Utah_Dave | I agree with macnewbold, it's kind of lame how they make you jump through hoops to get ssh access |
| 15:36.19 | macnewbold | yeah, and even then, it's crippled |
| 15:36.29 | macnewbold | they try to get you to use this in-browser java thingy for your ssh, |
| 15:36.54 | macnewbold | and you can't ssh in and run a program, it's interactive login only, (so rsync won't work) |
| 15:37.10 | macnewbold | and you can't ssh out, and as far as I can tell, they don't allow any tunneling either |
| 15:37.11 | _psychic_ | yuck |
| 15:37.33 | bigdog_ut | ive come to love xmission for hosting |
| 15:37.48 | bigdog_ut | i dont mind paying $$$ for the extra love they give |
| 15:37.59 | bigdog_ut | right timinator |
| 15:38.16 | timinator | extra love is always good |
| 15:39.22 | macnewbold | yeah, XM rocks |
| 15:39.33 | timinator | :) |
| 15:50.43 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, you ever install mod_geoip on freebsd? |
| 15:50.51 | macnewbold | nope, not yet |
| 15:51.11 | macnewbold | but you'd do it quite simply like this |
| 15:51.45 | macnewbold | cd /usr/ports/www/mod_geoip/ or cd /usr/ports/www/mod_geoip2/ |
| 15:51.50 | macnewbold | then sudo make install |
| 15:51.52 | macnewbold | tada |
| 15:52.06 | macnewbold | ~three cheers for the ports collection |
| 15:57.17 | timinator | so guys |
| 15:57.27 | timinator | I still do not want to house CC #s on my server |
| 15:57.41 | timinator | and authorize.net is not up to speed |
| 15:57.45 | timinator | so |
| 15:58.10 | timinator | does anyone have a recommendation on another credit card processing company? |
| 16:10.16 | Utah_Dave | I've never had the need to use one. I had one client that wanted to use Paypal and that was pretty easy. But I don't think it has all the features you want |
| 16:11.08 | beandog | PayPal |
| 16:11.16 | beandog | Lets just flush our $$$ into the great ether |
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| 16:15.49 | timinator_ | what the heck |
| 16:16.17 | timinator_ | did you guys get my messages before I left? |
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| 16:22.35 | Utah_Dave | what's up herlo? what part of the country are you in this week? :) |
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| 16:27.27 | herlo | Utah_Dave: Santa Clara, California. Coming home tonight..woot! |
| 16:27.50 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 16:28.14 | herlo | What you up to lately besides the work projects...? |
| 16:28.19 | herlo | family good? |
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| 16:39.00 | Utah_Dave | family's doing great. kids are excited about Halloween |
| 16:39.57 | timinator | herlo: what do you do that requires the travel? |
| 16:41.01 | herlo | timinator: I train linux |
| 16:41.12 | herlo | Utah_Dave: my son is going to be "the Devil" |
| 16:41.18 | herlo | ;-P |
| 16:41.25 | herlo | just like his old man ;_) |
| 16:41.53 | timinator | lol |
| 16:42.10 | timinator | herlo: nice |
| 16:44.19 | herlo | timinator: thanx |
| 16:44.57 | herlo | I just wish I'd be in town for it. Maybe I'll book a flight from SF just to go see him, wonder how long it would take to get there on a Tuesday night |
| 16:45.05 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 16:45.25 | Utah_Dave | probably not more than an hour or so |
| 16:46.07 | herlo | yeah, that's what I was thinking, I could probably get there by 7pm, and fly out the next morning.... |
| 16:46.11 | timinator | SF to SLC isn't a bad flight... I've done it a few |
| 16:46.12 | herlo | or on a red-eye |
| 16:46.20 | herlo | but its SF to LGB |
| 16:46.22 | Utah_Dave | my 8 year old is going to be Batman, 7 year old is "Karate Girl", and 5 year old is "Super Kid" |
| 16:46.23 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 16:46.30 | herlo | sweet! |
| 16:47.06 | timinator | my 20mo girl kept growling at all the costumes |
| 16:47.14 | timinator | so she's a tiger this year |
| 16:47.34 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 16:47.40 | timinator | it was pretty funny, cause we'd hold up a unicorn costume and she'd growl |
| 16:48.02 | timinator | care bear - she growled |
| 16:48.09 | Utah_Dave | I just noticed that I have 5 smiley's viewable on this irc screen right now |
| 16:48.12 | timinator | clown - she growled |
| 16:48.20 | Utah_Dave | I think I'm going on a smiley fast for a while... |
| 16:48.29 | timinator | :) |
| 16:51.35 | Utah_Dave | herlo: what are you going to be for halloween? |
| 16:52.00 | herlo | a Linux Instructor |
| 16:52.18 | herlo | Utah_Dave: and you? |
| 16:52.42 | Utah_Dave | Cape man! |
| 16:53.16 | Utah_Dave | My mother-in-law made me a cape a couple of years ago. I'm just going to wear my normal clothes and the cape! |
| 16:53.39 | Utah_Dave | yes, my wife thought it was weird too |
| 16:54.37 | timinator | I'm going to have to side with your wife |
| 16:54.40 | timinator | sorry dude |
| 16:56.04 | Utah_Dave | I know, but I like capes and I'm not going to have enough time to get a real costume together |
| 16:56.22 | beandog | cape man? |
| 16:56.45 | herlo | Utah_Dave: nice, I was once, something like that, I think I called it "Masked Glory" |
| 16:56.56 | herlo | I was 13 or 14 or something... |
| 16:57.08 | timinator | what color is this cape |
| 16:57.13 | Utah_Dave | black cape |
| 16:57.17 | timinator | are we talking about a teal cape man? |
| 16:57.19 | timinator | okay |
| 16:57.28 | timinator | at least that's something |
| 16:57.31 | timinator | black is good |
| 16:57.34 | Utah_Dave | no, it's not Gay Cape Man |
| 16:57.39 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:57.47 | herlo | lol |
| 16:58.56 | Utah_Dave | when I was like 10 I was the Hulk. My dad helped me put it together. I thought I was the bomb. |
| 16:59.24 | Utah_Dave | then, not too long ago I saw some pictures from that halloween. It was the ugliest nastiest thing. |
| 16:59.41 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:59.56 | Utah_Dave | All I was wearing were some ratty jeans, my dad had painted my upper body in green and I had this huge stupid looking black wig on |
| 17:00.19 | Utah_Dave | It was horrible. really horrible. I wish I had a copy of that picture I could post somewhere |
| 17:00.49 | beandog | hehehe |
| 17:00.52 | beandog | that would be classic |
| 17:03.26 | Utah_Dave | when my mother-in-law made that cape for me a few years ago I was a dracula. It was a pretty sweet costume. I had the flashy dress shirt and everything |
| 17:03.51 | herlo | looks like I am not going to LGB for Halloween, it'll cost about $650 |
| 17:04.08 | Utah_Dave | $650????? really? |
| 17:04.28 | Utah_Dave | That same Halloween my wife decided to go along with the drawing blood theme and made herself a nurse costume |
| 17:04.44 | Utah_Dave | :) I loved it. |
| 17:04.59 | timinator | herlo: try something other than 1st class w/ the bottle of wine |
| 17:05.03 | timinator | :) |
| 17:05.25 | timinator | Utah_Dave: that's awesome |
| 17:05.49 | herlo | timinator: That's on expedia via Delta, coach only |
| 17:06.21 | timinator | huh |
| 17:06.59 | Utah_Dave | there has got to be a cheaper flight than that. although I guess you aren't buying the ticket very far in advance |
| 17:07.36 | timinator | perhaps that's why |
| 17:07.36 | timinator | and the holiday |
| 17:08.00 | timinator | 650 bucks though |
| 17:08.10 | timinator | highway robbery |
| 17:08.21 | herlo | Utah_Dave: yeah, I think it sucks too, and because I searched on there, it should have given me the cheapest deal |
| 17:09.54 | Utah_Dave | making your kid feel special because you made it to Halloween probably would be worth it though |
| 17:09.55 | timinator | try orbits or travelocity |
| 17:10.05 | Utah_Dave | how about Frequent Flier Miles? |
| 17:11.31 | timinator | hey everybody |
| 17:12.01 | timinator | any recommendations on a CC Processing Gateway? |
| 17:12.01 | timinator | other than authorize.net |
| 17:12.18 | timinator | comeon... I'm going to have to pick one at random |
| 17:18.40 | timinator | no takers? |
| 17:18.44 | timinator | dangit |
| 17:20.13 | Utah_Dave | sorry,man. wish I could help |
| 17:20.22 | timinator | no prob |
| 17:21.13 | herlo | Utah_Dave: probably, but I don't think I can afford $650 |
| 17:21.25 | herlo | Utah_Dave: paypal |
| 17:22.26 | herlo | sorry guys, I am administering a test right now, so I am up and down.... |
| 17:27.28 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I might possibly be able to use FF miles, but it seems like such a waste for a short trip like that |
| 17:28.01 | timinator | miles are miles dude |
| 17:28.53 | timinator | better to use them on the flights that are more $$/mi |
| 17:32.27 | herlo | timinator: true, checking now. problem is, that Delta doesn't fly direct, which means I won't get in until 9pm, that seems more pointless... |
| 17:33.03 | herlo | I should try Orange County Airport... |
| 17:34.05 | herlo | I also have miles on American, maybe I can use them... |
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| 17:34.19 | timinator | ya |
| 17:34.25 | timinator | I hear ya |
| 17:43.22 | herlo | looks like I might be able to pull it of with American, but I am only unsure of how long it takes to get to SF airport |
| 17:53.22 | bigdog_ut | herlo, from where? |
| 17:54.29 | herlo | bigdog_ut: near the bay bridge |
| 17:54.48 | herlo | probably by train/taxi since I won't have a vehicle |
| 17:54.51 | bigdog_ut | about a couple hours |
| 17:55.05 | bigdog_ut | depends on traffic |
| 17:55.53 | herlo | hmm, that won't work then... |
| 17:56.13 | herlo | I've got to be at the airport by 6 and I can't really leave class until almost 5.... |
| 17:56.27 | timinator | I love SF |
| 17:56.29 | bigdog_ut | yeah you wont make it i dont think |
| 17:56.40 | bigdog_ut | i really enjoyed it there when i went last time |
| 17:56.51 | bigdog_ut | had a blast at the ports |
| 17:56.56 | bigdog_ut | and the chocolate factory |
| 17:57.10 | herlo | bigdog_ut: this link http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=50+3rd+St,+San+Francisco,+CA+94103&daddr=sfo&ie=UTF8&z=12&om=1 says it's only 20 mins from my hotel |
| 17:57.48 | herlo | not sure what it'd be by train... |
| 17:58.24 | bigdog_ut | i was a little north than you are now and it took me a couple hours to drive it myself |
| 17:58.40 | bigdog_ut | i also drove down lombard str too |
| 17:58.44 | bigdog_ut | that was fun |
| 17:58.49 | Utah_Dave | the train would be more reliable as far as time goes |
| 17:59.07 | herlo | Utah_Dave: right |
| 17:59.26 | herlo | I was planning on going by train...I bet it'll take 20-30 mins by train... |
| 17:59.57 | bigdog_ut | yeah it would be faster by train |
| 18:00.03 | bigdog_ut | i hate driving in sf |
| 18:00.06 | bigdog_ut | that really sucked |
| 18:00.07 | herlo | well since I have no car |
| 18:00.23 | bigdog_ut | yeah, they got me a car...i drove it 3 times when i was there |
| 18:00.51 | bigdog_ut | and it was so expensive to park it |
| 18:02.11 | herlo | right, which is my guess as to why I don't have one. I don't see the need anyway, usually pretty easy to get around in a big city without a vehicle |
| 18:02.45 | Utah_Dave | when I travel I try to get a hotel within walking distance, then I use the car in the evenings to go have fun |
| 18:03.14 | Utah_Dave | there's been a few times I didn't have to refill the tank because I hardly drove the car |
| 18:03.17 | herlo | yeah, that's the normal routine, but downtown usually has everything you need close by, plus you can always grab a taxi |
| 18:03.19 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, you around? |
| 18:03.35 | bigdog_ut | herlo, yeah i used the trolly |
| 18:03.48 | herlo | I am looking forward to that... |
| 18:03.49 | bigdog_ut | ~wake mindjuju |
| 18:03.52 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 18:04.03 | bigdog_ut | herlo, you going for training? or something? |
| 18:05.06 | herlo | training |
| 18:06.02 | bigdog_ut | for? |
| 18:06.05 | herlo | check out this web page: cool penguin: http://www.sf-lug.org/ |
| 18:06.55 | herlo | bigdog_ut: Linux |
| 18:07.01 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 18:07.07 | herlo | bigdog_ut: I am teaching it |
| 18:07.17 | bigdog_ut | oh sweet |
| 18:07.55 | herlo | bigdog_ut: that's what I do |
| 18:08.02 | bigdog_ut | teach linux? |
| 18:08.20 | herlo | bigdog_ut: yep |
| 18:08.55 | herlo | bigdog_ut: it's a fun job...I like it a lot |
| 18:09.11 | bigdog_ut | that would be fun..i use to teach solaris certs |
| 18:09.19 | bigdog_ut | back about 2-3 yrs ago |
| 18:09.36 | herlo | bigdog_ut: that'd be useful... |
| 18:09.52 | herlo | I used to work with Solaris, but not to the extent I do with these classes... |
| 18:10.07 | bigdog_ut | who do you work for? |
| 18:10.12 | herlo | mostly setup apache/php and networking on a Solaris box, let the client do the rest... |
| 18:10.18 | herlo | I was a trainer there too... |
| 18:21.06 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, where you at? |
| 18:21.22 | herlo | bigdog_ut: I work for Guru Labs |
| 18:21.42 | bigdog_ut | i was going to ask that...i thought about working there a few years back |
| 18:22.13 | bigdog_ut | talked to dax and man is he a smart cookie |
| 18:23.34 | herlo | yes, he is. I love working there because everyone is very smart and has something to contribute |
| 18:23.45 | herlo | I am learning a ton every day, that's why I even applied.... |
| 18:23.59 | bigdog_ut | yeah it seems like it would be fun |
| 18:25.01 | herlo | it is |
| 18:26.15 | beandog | http://www.boingboing.net/200610270943.jpg |
| 18:26.23 | Utah_Dave | herlo: do they have jobs that don't require so much travel? |
| 18:26.50 | herlo | nope |
| 18:26.59 | herlo | everybody would work there if that were the case |
| 18:27.06 | bigdog_ut | do they have jobs for dumb people like me? |
| 18:27.15 | Utah_Dave | I don't think I'd be married very long traveling that much! |
| 18:27.17 | herlo | because a lot of people are skilled, just don't want to travel. |
| 18:27.37 | herlo | I regularly hear "If they ever offer a job without so much travel, let me know" |
| 18:28.07 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I expect to be married longer (when I get married again) because I travel... It'll "make the heart grow fonder"... |
| 18:29.03 | Utah_Dave | sometimes it works that way. But at least when you get married she'll already know and be accustomed to you traveling a lot |
| 18:29.20 | herlo | right, that's my point... |
| 18:29.50 | herlo | that, and I think the amount of children we'll have will be manageable by one of us at any one time. Which will be nice too... |
| 18:29.58 | herlo | at least that's my opinion |
| 18:32.36 | macnewbold | If they ever offer a job that lets me take my family with me all the time when I travel, let me know |
| 18:32.37 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 18:33.14 | herlo | macnewbold: I'd do that too... |
| 18:33.16 | herlo | but that's a fair request, I'll let you know if they "ever" do that |
| 19:07.04 | timinator | that would be pricey for the bossman |
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| 19:25.06 | timinator | mindjuju: where have you been? |
| 19:25.18 | timinator | bigdog_ut was looking for you |
| 19:25.23 | mindjuju | meets for last 2 days |
| 19:25.33 | timinator | well you missed out |
| 19:25.34 | mindjuju | bigdog_ut, sup |
| 19:25.39 | timinator | Gay Cape Man |
| 19:25.41 | mindjuju | was there a big fight? |
| 19:25.50 | timinator | no |
| 19:25.51 | mindjuju | that sounds like fun! |
| 19:26.05 | mindjuju | what up with Gay Cape Man? |
| 19:26.24 | timinator | that's Utah_Dave's halloween costume |
| 19:26.40 | timinator | it's crazy |
| 19:27.38 | mindjuju | well, all be. i guess you do learn something new everyday |
| 19:28.17 | mindjuju | so, are there pictures? |
| 19:28.38 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, you there? |
| 19:28.43 | mindjuju | yo sup |
| 19:29.03 | bigdog_ut | how do you export from sql server to another sql server? |
| 19:29.32 | mindjuju | on a regular basis ( replication / subscription ) or as a 1x ? |
| 19:29.56 | bigdog_ut | 1x |
| 19:30.10 | mindjuju | are both servers on the same network? |
| 19:30.15 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 19:30.28 | mindjuju | sql server 2k or 2k5? |
| 19:30.42 | bigdog_ut | 2k to 2k5 |
| 19:31.29 | herlo | bigdog_ut: you punt |
| 19:31.35 | herlo | :-P |
| 19:31.46 | mindjuju | uno momento, por favor |
| 19:32.51 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 19:34.38 | mindjuju | k, funny thing is, i've actually never migrated data from 2k to 2k5. i've done 2k to 2k, but not up. Now I do have to do this, and actually was planning to do it this weekend, lucky you, so let's just look at it now and it'll save me from having to do it tomorrow |
| 19:34.55 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 19:35.08 | bigdog_ut | herlo, what? |
| 19:35.15 | mindjuju | first things first, you can't access your 2k5 server from enterprise manager from 2k, so go ahead and open MS SQL S3erver Management Studio for 2k5 |
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| 19:35.42 | bigdog_ut | k, one sec |
| 19:36.28 | mindjuju | i don't know about you, but i'm going to make a fake database on the server so if i fubar something, it won't screw up my other data |
| 19:36.52 | herlo | bigdog_ut: I was joking around about your sql server transition, sorry to interrupt |
| 19:36.56 | mindjuju | also, quick backup of thing that are important to me, luckly this is a pretty fast box, so shouldn't take more than a few sec |
| 19:38.03 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 19:38.37 | mindjuju | in managment studio, right click on the database that is going to recieve the data |
| 19:38.45 | bigdog_ut | i created a backup of the DB on the 2000 server, saved as flat file, and then tried to restore it to the DB on the 2005, it crapped out |
| 19:38.48 | mindjuju | choose tasks then import data |
| 19:39.20 | mindjuju | yup, i actually tried that last week! that's why planned this weekend to mush through the process and find out wth |
| 19:39.47 | mindjuju | k, so right click database, choose tasks then import data |
| 19:40.18 | bigdog_ut | k, which data source now |
| 19:40.26 | mindjuju | data source - v likely going to be sql native client |
| 19:40.48 | bigdog_ut | these two servers dont see each other |
| 19:41.10 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec |
| 19:43.12 | mindjuju | k, got it |
| 19:43.18 | bigdog_ut | do we need to get these two machines to talk to each other first? |
| 19:43.19 | mindjuju | for server name, put in the ip address of the server |
| 19:43.21 | bigdog_ut | kk |
| 19:43.58 | mindjuju | i'm using sql auth so that's what i'm using to log into it, and if everything goes right, when you hit refresh, it shouldn't throw error |
| 19:44.10 | mindjuju | but rather list the databases available in the select menu to the left |
| 19:44.19 | mindjuju | let me know if you've hit a prob |
| 19:44.19 | bigdog_ut | got an error when i hit refresh |
| 19:44.54 | mindjuju | what error did it give? |
| 19:45.23 | bigdog_ut | login failed |
| 19:45.33 | mindjuju | bad user pass? |
| 19:45.40 | bigdog_ut | using different windows users on each box |
| 19:45.48 | bigdog_ut | not in a domain |
| 19:46.30 | mindjuju | can you use a sql server account? |
| 19:46.31 | bigdog_ut | yes, bad user and pass |
| 19:47.01 | bigdog_ut | i didnt set this box up, i think it was setup using windows authentication instead of SQL |
| 19:47.16 | mindjuju | ugh... thinking.... |
| 19:47.17 | bigdog_ut | i dont think there is a SA pass etc. |
| 19:50.21 | mindjuju | can you log into the enterprise manager for sql 2k? |
| 19:50.44 | bigdog_ut | these are actually both 2005 |
| 19:51.28 | mindjuju | oh? k, so the backup your trying to restore, did it come from 2k or 2k5? |
| 19:51.34 | bigdog_ut | 2k5 |
| 19:52.25 | mindjuju | k, go to the box with the data you want to copy from |
| 19:52.33 | mindjuju | we need to build a sql auth account on that box |
| 19:52.55 | bigdog_ut | kk |
| 19:52.57 | bigdog_ut | rdy |
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| 19:53.03 | speedleader | hi all |
| 19:53.30 | mindjuju | k, go to SECURITY folder |
| 19:53.34 | mindjuju | click on Logins |
| 19:53.43 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 19:53.51 | mindjuju | Right Click login and choose new login |
| 19:53.58 | bigdog_ut | got it |
| 19:54.53 | mindjuju | choose sql server auth, choose database , i wouldn't spend a whole lot of time here cause likely after data transfer you'll likely just come back and kill the account |
| 19:55.10 | bigdog_ut | kk |
| 19:55.33 | mindjuju | so, now that you have account, go back to the one that will store data and use the newly created creditentials |
| 19:55.40 | bigdog_ut | kk, hang on |
| 19:57.53 | bigdog_ut | keep getting login failed error |
| 19:58.04 | mindjuju | user pass? |
| 19:58.35 | bigdog_ut | when i hit refresh or try to select the database to import from i get login failed, nothing about pass |
| 19:59.13 | bigdog_ut | hang on, got it |
| 19:59.22 | bigdog_ut | had to give that user sysadmin roles |
| 20:00.19 | bigdog_ut | looks like it is working, thanks man |
| 20:00.27 | mindjuju | yup, let me know if you need more help |
| 20:00.33 | mindjuju | hey, bigdog_ut, one last thing |
| 20:00.38 | bigdog_ut | yah |
| 20:01.25 | mindjuju | in the next couple of screens you get to select what tables / views you get data from |
| 20:01.28 | mindjuju | it is going to say Edit |
| 20:01.33 | bigdog_ut | k |
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| 20:01.46 | mindjuju | click on Edit and make sure you verify the data type that it is going to write into |
| 20:01.53 | bigdog_ut | kk cool |
| 20:02.05 | mindjuju | when using this process 2k really suxed and would use nvarchar for practically everyting |
| 20:02.18 | bigdog_ut | ahh, yah that would suck |
| 20:03.06 | bigdog_ut | thnx again man' |
| 20:04.04 | mindjuju | yup |
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| 20:40.58 | timinator_ | is this thing on? |
| 20:41.04 | herlo | timinator_: yes |
| 20:41.05 | timinator_ | test 1 2 3 |
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| 20:41.15 | timinator_ | lol |
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| 21:17.57 | timinator | lalala.... voooiicceeeee |
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| 21:21.09 | bigdog_ut | lalala.....no voooiicceeeee |
| 21:21.22 | timinator | dangit |
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| 21:22.51 | timinator | oh, come on bigdog |
| 21:22.55 | timinator | geez |
| 21:22.56 | bigdog_ut | lol |
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| 21:24.11 | timinator | ty bigdog_ut |
| 21:24.29 | bigdog_ut | yw timinator |
| 21:24.37 | timinator | I guess I'll only moderately make fun of you |
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| 21:49.16 | bigdog_ut | later dave!!! |
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