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| 00:09.16 | herlo | DRM opinion I loved: http://gplv3.fsf.org/drm-dd2.html |
| 00:09.23 | herlo | not even done reading it yet |
| 00:15.23 | mindjuju | fungus |
| 00:15.45 | fungus | mindjuju: |
| 00:15.58 | mindjuju | a friend of mine sent me this, thought it was pretty cool |
| 00:15.59 | mindjuju | http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/ |
| 00:17.12 | fungus | interesting. |
| 00:17.20 | mindjuju | yup |
| 00:17.28 | fungus | I noticed there are no Utah lawyers in the list. :) |
| 00:17.40 | mindjuju | yeah, good ole' Orin |
| 00:18.05 | fungus | 16 days left until the Election. |
| 00:18.22 | mindjuju | are you working on the ashdown political campaign? |
| 00:18.51 | fungus | Not officially, but I pretty much talk to everyone I meet about him. |
| 00:21.28 | fungus | That is ok, as long as you do. |
| 00:25.55 | herlo | fungus: of course, sending in the papers tonight... |
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| 01:13.55 | timinator | nice |
| 01:37.14 | burnin | :) |
| 01:37.34 | timinator | Monster Magnet?!? |
| 01:37.37 | timinator | cool man |
| 02:23.16 | timinator | nice |
| 02:23.46 | burnin | great white buffalo!!! |
| 02:28.47 | mindjuju | this mix is devastating... i call it the long 'uns ... starts with LS Freebird (10:07) then the who - wont be fooled again (8:33) then Led Zep Kashmere (8:32) then beatles - I want you - she's so heavy (7:44) then Iron Butterfly Inna gadda de vida - full length (17:01) then deep pruple chld in time (10:18) then Nugent Stranglehold (8:24) then Frampton - do you feel (13:56) then pink floyd - comfortably numb (6:24) then Eagles - Hotel |
| 02:30.36 | timinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.21 | timinator | I'm a little embarrassed, but I'm now listening to some 80s DCTalk |
| 02:36.45 | mindjuju | i don't know if i know DCTalk |
| 02:37.35 | timinator | hmmm.... |
| 02:37.43 | timinator | do you have iTunes |
| 02:38.10 | mindjuju | i don't , i'll have to find the names of thier songs to see if i recognize any of them |
| 02:38.24 | mindjuju | what genre of music? |
| 02:38.33 | timinator | Christian |
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| 02:39.12 | mindjuju | Stryper is the only one that comes to mind |
| 02:39.21 | timinator | LOL.... Stryper |
| 02:40.07 | timinator | PHP question: |
| 02:42.02 | timinator | is there any way to do a ereg_replace for html chars like ' |
| 02:42.40 | timinator | I'm sanitizing all form input |
| 02:43.09 | timinator | but there's a drop down list later on that I'd like to simply remove those converted chars |
| 02:43.50 | mindjuju | ugh, i'm gonna have to bust out my oreilly's book on regex |
| 02:44.02 | mindjuju | i used to love regex, but haven't done it in a couple of years |
| 02:44.20 | timinator | no big... I can make a piped list |
| 02:44.29 | timinator | just wondered if there were a shortcut |
| 02:44.58 | mindjuju | well, is it all special chars or just that one? |
| 02:45.11 | Utah_Dave | you could use html_entity_decode(), and then strip out all html entities |
| 02:45.13 | mindjuju | seems like php does have one to handle special chars |
| 02:45.49 | timinator | html_entity_decode..... sounds easier that making a piped list and not missing anything |
| 02:45.51 | timinator | thanks |
| 02:47.35 | Utah_Dave | html_entity_decode just converts ' into it's entity |
| 02:47.40 | Utah_Dave | then you'd have to stip the entities |
| 02:47.44 | timinator | nice |
| 02:47.54 | timinator | that worked very well |
| 02:47.56 | timinator | thanks dude |
| 02:48.32 | Utah_Dave | no problem |
| 02:58.15 | Utah_Dave | I try to avoid regex when I can. regex is slow, so I only use it where I really have to |
| 02:59.03 | timinator | I hear ya |
| 03:01.15 | mindjuju | in that case i'd say your right, which is why i was asking if just that character or if there were others, but overall i've found regex to be very effective and fast in the right situations |
| 03:01.29 | mindjuju | like scanning strings for phone numbers, etc |
| 03:01.47 | timinator | in the right situations... I agree as well |
| 03:01.51 | Utah_Dave | yeah, mindjuju, I agree with you there. regex is very powerful |
| 03:02.26 | Utah_Dave | I just hate banging my head against the wall trying to figure them out! :) |
| 03:02.56 | mindjuju | know what you mean |
| 03:05.57 | timinator | Insane in the Membrane! :) |
| 03:06.10 | timinator | have you guys heard of Tech N9ne? |
| 03:06.26 | mindjuju | haven't. what's worse, guess what comes on after that |
| 03:06.35 | timinator | what's that? |
| 03:06.36 | mindjuju | Mama said knock you out - LL Cool J |
| 03:06.48 | timinator | NICE |
| 03:08.05 | mindjuju | what does tech n9n3 play? |
| 03:08.33 | timinator | rap... |
| 03:08.40 | timinator | I guess it's newer stuff though |
| 03:08.44 | timinator | not old school |
| 03:08.51 | timinator | so never mind |
| 03:10.39 | timinator | do you know the artist that sang the song: Let me clear my throat? |
| 03:11.11 | timinator | mindjuju: it's not that he's got great music.... I just simply met him in a store |
| 03:11.15 | Utah_Dave | I'm chilling to Jack Johnson |
| 03:11.32 | timinator | he's from Kansas City, and so am I... and I ran into him one day |
| 03:12.11 | mindjuju | dj kool - "let me clear my throat" |
| 03:12.23 | timinator | Utah_Dave: nice |
| 03:12.32 | timinator | thx mindjuju |
| 03:14.49 | mindjuju | bummer, looks like the jack johnson site is going to be rolling out some audio samples -- the page is there but no audio samples yet |
| 03:14.55 | mindjuju | i'll have to wait til the do |
| 03:15.01 | mindjuju | http://www.jackjohnsonmusic.com/main.asp?page=music.asp?Navid=7 |
| 03:15.08 | timinator | asp |
| 03:15.29 | timinator | :/ |
| 03:16.11 | mindjuju | now that's scary! |
| 03:16.18 | mindjuju | weird al is 47 years old? |
| 03:16.24 | timinator | eek |
| 03:30.06 | mindjuju | how cool is that! i forgot that Funky Cold Medina was on this (tone loc) |
| 03:30.21 | timinator | LOL |
| 04:04.25 | mindjuju | timinator, you still around? |
| 04:04.31 | timinator | y |
| 04:04.49 | mindjuju | you remember twisted sister, right? |
| 04:04.51 | mindjuju | i just got this link in an email |
| 04:04.52 | timinator | OH YA |
| 04:04.54 | mindjuju | http://www.twistedsister.com/ |
| 04:05.03 | mindjuju | click on the picture in the middle of the page |
| 04:05.10 | timinator | k |
| 04:05.19 | mindjuju | listen to the one , Oh come all ye faithful |
| 04:06.44 | timinator | LOL |
| 04:06.47 | timinator | I LOVE IT |
| 04:06.57 | mindjuju | yeah, it's hilarious! |
| 04:12.25 | timinator | I'm so buying this album dude |
| 04:12.37 | timinator | play it over and over for my wife |
| 04:12.43 | mindjuju | lol |
| 04:13.18 | timinator | we're going to her folks for Christmas, so I'll play it in the car during the drive to CA |
| 04:14.54 | timinator | and twistedsister.com uses PHP\ |
| 04:15.53 | mindjuju | i still remember the first time i saw the video for We Ain't gonna take it |
| 04:15.58 | mindjuju | a classic in music videos |
| 04:16.05 | timinator | no doubt |
| 04:17.06 | Utah_Dave | you guys burning the midnight oil again? I'm heading to bed |
| 04:18.28 | timinator | yep... few more lines to code |
| 04:18.35 | timinator | g'night Utah_Dave |
| 04:19.06 | mindjuju | cya utah_dave |
| 04:19.20 | mindjuju | i'm prolly here til 12a or 1 |
| 04:19.22 | mindjuju | not sure yet |
| 04:19.41 | timinator | I'll be out in a few |
| 04:20.58 | timinator | nite burnin |
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| 04:27.44 | timinator | mindjuju: how do you notice just w/ your name?? |
| 04:27.54 | timinator | do you have a notification system? |
| 04:28.01 | mindjuju | GAIM makes a noise when somebody says my name |
| 04:28.33 | timinator | ah |
| 04:29.08 | mindjuju | i know this is going to sound crazy, but i've got a computer that handles nothing but playing music. that computer is plugged into a cheap but loud soundsystem. GAIM is using my workdesktop speakers so it comes from a different speaker set and those i have loud so i can here when somebody IMs me |
| 04:29.29 | timinator | I see.... |
| 04:29.47 | timinator | Colloquy does the same... found the settings... that's cool |
| 04:30.01 | timinator | I'm jamming that Twisted Sister Christmas Album |
| 04:30.29 | mindjuju | nice! after i heard oh come all ye faithful, they had a part of a metallica song at the end |
| 04:30.34 | mindjuju | that's how i got to metallica |
| 04:31.20 | timinator | right on |
| 04:31.33 | timinator | I'm finished for the night dude |
| 04:31.37 | timinator | see you tomorrow |
| 04:32.21 | mindjuju | cy |
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| 04:50.13 | brasto | anyone available? |
| 04:50.57 | brasto | lol, ru good with mysql? particularly views? |
| 04:51.35 | brasto | i have a select statement that does not work as a view |
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| 14:38.30 | drip | hey.. it's morning time. |
| 14:39.39 | Utah_Dave | morning all |
| 14:39.46 | drip | gm Utah_Dave |
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| 14:58.41 | bigdog_ut | ~wave all |
| 14:58.42 | jbot | Bye, all |
| 14:59.07 | timinator | ~mornin bigdog_ut |
| 14:59.29 | timinator | ~morning bigdog_ut |
| 14:59.31 | jbot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping bigdog_ut in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 14:59.44 | bigdog_ut | ty |
| 15:05.45 | bigdog_ut | already feels like lunch time |
| 15:15.31 | wps | FC is up to 6? |
| 15:15.51 | Utah_Dave | yep, just released this morning |
| 15:16.16 | Utah_Dave | I'm downloading the dvd iso right now. |
| 15:16.35 | Utah_Dave | it would be faster at home on my comcast connection than our t-1 here at work |
| 15:16.42 | wps | same here |
| 15:16.45 | wps | my work connection sucks |
| 15:16.53 | wps | my home connection spanks it six times over |
| 15:16.53 | Utah_Dave | at doba? |
| 15:17.04 | wps | yeah… we share some crapo connection with the rest of the park |
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| 15:19.43 | Utah_Dave | so I guess you don't host doba.com onsite, huh? |
| 15:21.06 | bigdog_ut | anyone use any javascript formatting component that does like bold, italic, etc. |
| 15:21.13 | wps | oh no |
| 15:21.15 | wps | data center |
| 15:22.04 | _psychic_ | bigdog_ut: http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/ |
| 15:22.31 | bigdog_ut | ty _psychic_ that is exactly what i needed |
| 15:22.32 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: FCKEditor and tinyMCE do too |
| 15:22.46 | mindjuju | ~nyuk everyone |
| 15:22.47 | jbot | ACTION grabs everyone nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 15:23.03 | _psychic_ | this one is the best as far as cross-browser friendliness though |
| 15:23.05 | bigdog_ut | ty macnewbold i will check them out...aslong as it works on ie and firefox im cool |
| 15:23.08 | mindjuju | morning all |
| 15:23.18 | _psychic_ | we picked it because it at least works partly in safari |
| 15:23.22 | bigdog_ut | morning mindjuju |
| 15:23.23 | _psychic_ | morning mindjuju |
| 15:23.27 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 15:23.53 | macnewbold | yeah, those two I mentioned don't work in safari IIRC |
| 15:25.19 | bigdog_ut | _psychic_, is that free to use? |
| 15:25.26 | _psychic_ | with attribution |
| 15:25.31 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 15:25.37 | _psychic_ | the JS is compressed though |
| 15:25.44 | _psychic_ | so you pay if you want the open source |
| 15:25.50 | bigdog_ut | oh ok |
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| 15:37.20 | mindjuju | Sounds like the consensus on email is the AF - Thai Chili Garden on Nov 3rd. Is that cool with everybody here? |
| 15:37.41 | brasto | ~hi timinator |
| 15:37.42 | jbot | Many greetings, timinator, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 15:41.59 | macnewbold | mindjuju: is Thai Chili Garden in AF too? I know Thai Village is, but I may be mixed up about Thai Chili Garden. |
| 15:42.35 | mindjuju | oh, let me look at the email again to make sure i got the name right |
| 15:43.26 | mindjuju | oh, your right, Thai Village in Am Fork |
| 15:45.10 | timinator | hi brasto |
| 15:45.32 | mindjuju | brasto, did you ever get your mysql question answered? |
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| 15:47.37 | brasto | mindjuju: not yet. i posted it here as well, with no response yet: |
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| 15:48.36 | brasto | mindjuju: not yet. i posted it here as well, with no response yet: |
| 15:48.46 | brasto | http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?100,122988,122988#msg-122988 |
| 15:50.48 | brasto | does anyone here know why a self-join view might not work in MySQL? |
| 15:51.27 | brasto | it seems to break in the "from" clause |
| 15:51.35 | macnewbold | yeah, i just read that |
| 15:51.44 | macnewbold | does it work if you do it as a query rather than a view? |
| 15:51.49 | brasto | yes |
| 15:51.59 | macnewbold | what mysql version? |
| 15:52.18 | brasto | i did read, in the mysql manual a limitation on VIEWs for subqueries in the from clause |
| 15:52.25 | brasto | MySQL 5.0 |
| 15:52.43 | macnewbold | sounds like either a bug or a limitation |
| 15:53.01 | macnewbold | but this isn't a subquery even |
| 15:53.13 | macnewbold | it's just a join (self-join) |
| 15:53.17 | brasto | right |
| 15:53.57 | brasto | the subquery issue is a limitation until a future version |
| 15:55.08 | brasto | might a self join be a special kind of subquery, and therefore suffer the same limitation? |
| 15:55.48 | brasto | i doubt it since i'm pretty sure you can do a self join in MySQL 4.0 - before you could do subqueries... |
| 15:56.48 | macnewbold | no, self join isn't a subquery |
| 15:57.03 | macnewbold | it sounds like a bug with views to me |
| 15:57.11 | macnewbold | unless they mention a limitation with self joins |
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| 16:03.11 | brasto | the other annoying thing: I can't go to the VIEWS table and modify it |
| 16:09.47 | brasto | how to know you are a geek: |
| 16:10.15 | brasto | ==||===? is a question that makes sense to you. |
| 16:11.15 | timinator_BRB | brasto: I'm totally going to make that into a t-shirt |
| 16:11.37 | brasto | You hear, or say the phrase "pipe it into grep" frequently. |
| 16:11.38 | brasto | lol |
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| 16:15.42 | brasto | my gaim install is broken again, so i'm using kvirc. anyone know how to list available channels in kvirc? |
| 16:16.07 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.12 | brasto | i just tried something but it apparently closed all channels instead, which is why i just disconnected and reconnected... |
| 16:16.35 | brasto | thanks @mindjuju |
| 16:18.33 | brasto | ok, what command will filter the results? I'm looking for a suse/opensuse group so i can fix gaim |
| 16:18.41 | brasto | #gaim was not helpful |
| 16:36.53 | macnewbold | pipe it into grep? |
| 16:37.20 | macnewbold | I don't think gaim has a way to filter the list, you just get the whole thing |
| 16:46.29 | brasto | since gaim is broke, i'm currently using KVIrc |
| 16:47.05 | mindjuju | brasto, what channels you looking for |
| 16:47.11 | mindjuju | i can list and find here |
| 16:47.17 | mindjuju | might be easier |
| 16:47.32 | bigdog_ut | brasto how is gaim broke? |
| 16:47.33 | brasto | so i just chatted on KVIrc, and they found that the server load is too heavy right now, and that's why /list *suse* didn't work |
| 16:48.24 | brasto | i've been chatting on #gaim and #suse on it. it appears to be an issue with gaim on gnome - even though i'm using kde |
| 16:48.48 | brasto | it won't sign into any protocol |
| 16:48.54 | brasto | no error message |
| 16:49.51 | mindjuju | on freenode, i'm seeing several #suse, but only the #suse is english, the others appear to be suse channels but in different langs |
| 16:51.32 | bigdog_ut | i wish everyone did lunch up here...im still waiting for timinator_BRB to take me to lunch |
| 16:51.54 | mindjuju | we are planning a lunch in bountiful |
| 16:52.20 | mindjuju | might have considered it for nov 3, but timinator_brb says he way to busy right now, maybe next month |
| 16:52.46 | mindjuju | we've got an Italian place that several have recommended there in bountiful |
| 16:53.34 | timinator | bigdog_ut: are you free for lunch tomorrow? |
| 16:53.44 | bigdog_ut | perhaps |
| 16:53.53 | bigdog_ut | actually im always free |
| 16:53.57 | timinator | where would you like to go? |
| 16:54.04 | bigdog_ut | cause as everyone knows the bigdog loves lunch |
| 16:54.08 | bigdog_ut | we should do crown |
| 16:54.14 | bigdog_ut | in clearfield |
| 16:54.19 | timinator | yummmm ....crown |
| 16:54.23 | timinator | sounds good |
| 16:54.26 | timinator | what time? |
| 16:54.30 | timinator | noon? |
| 16:54.38 | bigdog_ut | that is fine...do you know where it is |
| 16:54.44 | timinator | yes... |
| 16:54.52 | timinator | had many a fine meal at Crown |
| 16:55.02 | timinator | or are there more than one? |
| 16:55.09 | timinator | I'm talking about the 1900 one |
| 16:55.25 | bigdog_ut | the one across from the kmart |
| 16:56.02 | timinator | that's the one |
| 16:56.14 | bigdog_ut | yeah...that is the only one i know if here |
| 16:56.19 | timinator | same here |
| 16:56.24 | timinator | you work in layton?? |
| 16:57.32 | bigdog_ut | clearfield |
| 16:57.39 | bigdog_ut | next to city offices |
| 16:57.47 | bigdog_ut | by drip's house |
| 16:57.47 | timinator | let's meet there... at noon |
| 16:57.50 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 16:57.53 | timinator | k |
| 16:57.55 | timinator | cool |
| 16:57.56 | bigdog_ut | remind me tomorrow too |
| 16:57.59 | timinator | k |
| 16:58.10 | timinator | drip lives in Clearfield??? |
| 16:58.13 | timinator | dang |
| 16:58.17 | bigdog_ut | he does and works in slc |
| 16:59.03 | timinator | too bad... was thinking there for a sec that we could do our own mini-geek-lunch |
| 17:01.54 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 17:02.48 | bigdog_ut | i dont think anyone else is up here though |
| 17:02.56 | timinator | dangit |
| 17:03.42 | drip | used to work in Clearfield |
| 17:03.52 | timinator | no doubt |
| 17:04.13 | bigdog_ut | drip you want to come and work with me again? |
| 17:04.25 | brasto | http://spinink.net/conversation-with-new-suse-user/ |
| 17:04.26 | drip | me.. work with you? |
| 17:04.39 | drip | like I would ever do that! |
| 17:04.43 | drip | lol |
| 17:04.43 | brasto | that link may help anyone out there who uses SuSE 10.1 |
| 17:05.02 | drip | Doug looking for another person or something? |
| 17:05.08 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:05.13 | bigdog_ut | he asked about you |
| 17:05.20 | bigdog_ut | but he said it is too expensive |
| 17:05.26 | bigdog_ut | though we did let 2 guys go |
| 17:06.00 | drip | what is too expensive? |
| 17:06.05 | drip | me? |
| 17:06.05 | drip | lol |
| 17:07.17 | bigdog_ut | yep you too much money!! (in asian accent) |
| 17:07.24 | drip | ha ha |
| 17:07.35 | drip | He can't afford $15k / year? |
| 17:07.38 | bigdog_ut | we did hire a new gis guru though...cause i cant do it |
| 17:07.48 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:07.51 | bigdog_ut | sure man |
| 17:08.03 | timinator | <asian accent> Oh, very expensive </asian accent> |
| 17:08.25 | drip | <girlyStyle>giggle</girlyStyle> |
| 17:08.53 | drip | now we'll see how many people have seen Thumb Wars. lol |
| 17:09.27 | bigdog_ut | +1 |
| 17:10.21 | brasto | btw, the above spinink.net link is also quite funny. here are a couple lines: |
| 17:10.43 | brasto | # Chris:It reported: ‘warning: /etc/ZMD/ZMD.conf saved as /etc/ZMD/ZMD.conf.rpmsave’ but I think it worked. Of course, I am not sure what i just did |
| 17:10.52 | brasto | # sPiN:You removed some packages which have caused 10.1 to be considered one of the worst SuSE releases ever. |
| 17:11.00 | brasto | lol |
| 17:18.13 | mindjuju | ugh, how embarrassing... i'm looking at some of my first pages of CSS and they are really bad. |
| 17:24.37 | brasto | mindjuju - i hear you. i try not to look at any of the first htm pages i wrote with frames, unclosed elements, no doctypes, etc. it's painful... |
| 17:31.47 | drip | what's a doctype? |
| 17:31.54 | drip | lol.. j/k |
| 17:35.01 | brasto | my trainer at verio said that |
| 17:35.12 | brasto | i said "um... nevermind" |
| 17:35.27 | timinator | that's a little scary |
| 17:38.11 | brasto | that's what i thought, but i realized later on that most verio techs are system admins, not web developers |
| 17:39.14 | brasto | most calls are not web development oriented, but sys admin oriented |
| 17:39.24 | brasto | then it made more sense |
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| 17:40.25 | mindjuju | sup fungus |
| 17:53.30 | fungus | In meeting w/ boss for catastrophic contingency planning. :) |
| 17:59.04 | macnewbold | fungus: doesn't it require money to carey out catastrophic contingency plans? |
| 17:59.08 | macnewbold | s/carey/carry/ |
| 17:59.12 | Utah_Dave | later |
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| 17:59.16 | macnewbold | see ya dave |
| 17:59.28 | mindjuju | yipes! macnewbold |
| 17:59.35 | mindjuju | his boss may be watching! |
| 17:59.58 | macnewbold | true, though I doubt it |
| 18:00.03 | macnewbold | if so, sorry, fungus |
| 18:00.08 | mindjuju | funny though |
| 18:00.28 | mindjuju | you know, we should have a meet on that -- catastrophic contingency |
| 18:00.36 | mindjuju | i'd be interested to see what people have in place |
| 18:02.00 | mindjuju | we've got that server at rackspace in texas with a mostly current version of the site, so if utah fell off the map from an earthquake, i could change the web server ip to rackspace box and be live in a few hours |
| 18:02.22 | mindjuju | i'd like to really shorten that, but i think doing so will take a lot of money |
| 18:05.29 | macnewbold | if you could change the IP :) |
| 18:05.33 | macnewbold | where are your dns servers? |
| 18:06.17 | mindjuju | most are network solutions. i can go in, modify the A record by web login |
| 18:06.24 | macnewbold | planning for stuff like that is always a matter of cost of the catastrophe * likelyhood of catastrophe vs cost of solution |
| 18:06.36 | macnewbold | if you can get to the web from where you are, that is |
| 18:07.04 | mindjuju | true that, but if worse comes to worse, i could always call a guy i know in colorado and have him do it, or another friend in texas and have him do it |
| 18:07.19 | mindjuju | course, the phone lines could be down, but there is only so much you can do |
| 18:07.34 | mindjuju | without getting into big bucks, methinks |
| 18:08.36 | mindjuju | on top of that, xmission has crazy redundancy, with diesel generators, backup lines, etc |
| 18:09.10 | mindjuju | so it'd have to be really devistating to knock them offline {i hope or at least that's what i'm counting on} |
| 18:15.03 | macnewbold | right, I agree |
| 18:15.11 | macnewbold | if you had to, you'd drive there and do it :) |
| 18:15.49 | macnewbold | the "weakest link" considerations are very important in that kind of planning, cause it's really easy to make assumptions that might not hold in an emergency |
| 18:16.03 | mindjuju | v true |
| 18:16.18 | mindjuju | what happens if i'm injured, who else knows how to change the A record? |
| 18:16.18 | macnewbold | cell phones would be most likely to go, and internet and phones are possibly going to be gone, depending on the crisis |
| 18:16.42 | mindjuju | so, there are obviously holes, sadly big ones |
| 18:16.47 | macnewbold | exactly - the "truck theory" - if the main guy gets hit by a truck, what happens |
| 18:16.54 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:17.15 | macnewbold | risk vs cost |
| 18:17.21 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 18:17.23 | macnewbold | we've considered some stuff for our place |
| 18:17.29 | macnewbold | but haven't bought anything yet |
| 18:17.46 | macnewbold | if we're offline here at the office it isn't the end of the world. hard, but not devastating completely. |
| 18:18.03 | macnewbold | if our power is out here (has happened repeatedly, sometimes for all afternoon) |
| 18:18.03 | mindjuju | yeah, we should have a meet on that |
| 18:18.05 | macnewbold | then it hits us harder |
| 18:18.16 | macnewbold | cause we can't do any work on the computers |
| 18:18.22 | mindjuju | yuck |
| 18:18.47 | mindjuju | yeah, my desktop has 1 hour before UPS fails. the email server also has 1 hour UPS backup |
| 18:18.59 | macnewbold | and that means we are losing out on hundreds of dollars an hour, not to mention getting behind schedule by 5 man hours per hour on all our projects |
| 18:19.01 | mindjuju | it's not a big UPS |
| 18:19.12 | mindjuju | ouch |
| 18:19.25 | macnewbold | I don't know if we could last a whole hour, but everything has a UPS, to handle the short outages that are much more common than they ought to be |
| 18:19.47 | macnewbold | all our computers and networks are on a UPS, except for the moment, the windows test box |
| 18:19.48 | mindjuju | we should have a meet on this -- maybe you and I could tag team and do research? |
| 18:20.14 | mindjuju | yeah, leave the windows box without a UPS! how racist! |
| 18:20.19 | macnewbold | sure, I'm great at thinking of the way out there situations and solutions and playing "what if" hehe |
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| 18:50.56 | herlo | jsmith: are you per chance at DFW Airport? |
| 18:51.31 | jsmith | herlo: Nope -- about twenty minutes east of there. |
| 18:52.06 | macnewbold | close, herlo, but no prize for you |
| 18:56.17 | herlo | macnewbold: thanx, I'll keep trying... |
| 18:56.34 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:56.44 | herlo | jsmith: your id came in with dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net, thought I'd give it a shot... |
| 18:56.50 | macnewbold | and where are you today, herlo, in your guru blue? |
| 18:56.55 | herlo | figured I'd be close... |
| 18:57.21 | jsmith | herlo: I'm in the Westin Park Central hotel ballroom, listening to a really good presentation at AstriCon |
| 18:57.34 | herlo | macnewbold: I'm in San Jose. lars-ut gave me a list of good restaurants up here, so I am planning on trying one of those out tonight |
| 18:57.40 | herlo | jsmith: sounds like fun |
| 18:59.24 | jsmith | herlo: Banana Leaf! |
| 19:00.02 | jsmith | www.bananaleaf-usa.com |
| 19:01.01 | herlo | jsmith: I think that's one of the one's lars-ut's email was mentioning... |
| 19:01.11 | jsmith | Cool. |
| 19:01.21 | jsmith | One of my favorites... |
| 19:01.26 | herlo | jsmith, we should really start our own menudb for restaurants. I saw restaurantdb.com, but it sucks... |
| 19:01.36 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 19:01.48 | jsmith | Even just a menuwiki |
| 19:04.03 | fungus | macnewbold: the catastrophe we are planning for is not technical, but financial. He is going to start a new company to take over the customers if ... err when, this company goes bankrupt. |
| 19:04.27 | herlo | jsmith, I own, travel.herlo.org, which has many a think like that, but I think I'll start a new one... |
| 19:05.09 | timinator | I own a couple URLs that I had planned on setting up for that |
| 19:05.28 | timinator | ogdennights.com slcnights.com provonights.com logannights.com |
| 19:05.55 | timinator | they've been back burner projects for a couple years now |
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| 19:49.45 | macnewbold | fungus: what makes him think the customers would stay with the new company? or that he'd be able to make the new company succeed where he couldn't take an already-running-well aros.net and keep it afloat? |
| 19:50.35 | macnewbold | but, it is an interesting idea, and definitely a contingency he should spend some time planning |
| 19:52.14 | fungus | I don't know. He is a bit off his rocker. |
| 19:54.47 | herlo | jsmith, I think I'll take the time to build that soon. I dig the whole idea of having menu's and locations online... |
| 20:08.43 | jsmith | Yeah! |
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| 20:16.13 | _psychic_ | wps: have you ever been able to get an element to do position:fixed in MSIE? |
| 20:16.34 | mindjuju | i have |
| 20:16.40 | mindjuju | though you have to specify top and left |
| 20:16.53 | _psychic_ | I need bottom center |
| 20:17.02 | _psychic_ | or bottom at least |
| 20:17.42 | wps | absolutely positioning something bottom in MSIE is not possible |
| 20:17.52 | _psychic_ | don't say that to me |
| 20:17.55 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 20:18.00 | wps | are you surprised? |
| 20:18.05 | _psychic_ | not really :/ |
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