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| 01:14.06 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 01:15.44 | brasto | grits... jbot's been down south |
| 01:15.52 | mindjuju | true that |
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| 01:22.20 | riri | hi |
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| 01:23.54 | riri | good luck |
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| 01:28.28 | brasto | brasto is glad to be of service to riri... |
| 01:29.03 | brasto | and thanks riri for the luck wish... |
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| 04:25.41 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 04:33.25 | burnin | environmentally friendly |
| 04:35.03 | mindjuju | v true |
| 04:56.16 | mindjuju | anybody around |
| 04:56.50 | burnin | the older I get the more around I get |
| 04:57.02 | mindjuju | lol |
| 04:57.28 | mindjuju | hey, i was wondering, do you do any fun eye candy ajax style stuff? |
| 04:57.33 | mindjuju | here's what i got |
| 04:58.29 | burnin | haven't done any ajax myself. |
| 04:58.39 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 04:58.53 | mindjuju | was looking for somehting like an inline div |
| 04:59.11 | mindjuju | that only shows when you click on something, and disappears when you click on the activator again |
| 05:00.17 | burnin | google? :) |
| 05:00.37 | burnin | the closest I've ever come to writing anything like ajax is http://www.aros.net/~burnin/supply/ |
| 05:00.41 | mindjuju | yeah, doing that now |
| 05:00.41 | burnin | and its incomplete. |
| 05:01.34 | mindjuju | that's pretty cool, reminds me of civ |
| 05:02.26 | burnin | along with scrolling you can click on the map and a menu opens |
| 05:02.32 | burnin | if you dump a load it changes a tile on the map. |
| 05:03.17 | mindjuju | yeah, i noticed that effect |
| 05:03.25 | mindjuju | is it going to be an online game? |
| 05:04.34 | burnin | yeah, that was the plan, it was a continuation of http://www.aros.net/~burnin/war/ |
| 05:06.43 | mindjuju | looks like you've been working on it off and on for a long time |
| 05:06.50 | mindjuju | that's cool! |
| 05:07.11 | burnin | I worked on it quite a bit for awhile, had a game going with several players... |
| 05:07.35 | burnin | but there were many things I didn't like about the interface so I started to work on a complete rewrite. |
| 05:07.45 | burnin | I started on the rewrite and then got busy with other stuff. |
| 05:12.06 | mindjuju | yeah, i know how that goes |
| 05:12.40 | mindjuju | came home from a year study abroad, went to visit my sis in provo, planning on being here 6 months, met this girl, got married, been here practically the rest of the time |
| 05:13.02 | mindjuju | that was back in 1999 |
| 05:13.52 | burnin | what were the plans after 6 months that went on hold? |
| 05:14.37 | mindjuju | college degree, a trip to Machu Picchu |
| 05:18.57 | burnin | do you have kids now? |
| 05:19.13 | mindjuju | 1 - he's 3 and a half |
| 05:19.44 | burnin | so maybe in a few years take the tribe to Machi Picchu? :) |
| 05:20.25 | mindjuju | yeah, its possible. i've changed since my college days |
| 05:20.41 | mindjuju | back when i was in China, i toured all of china jumping from hostel to hostel for nearly 30 days |
| 05:21.18 | mindjuju | saw guilin, chengdu, lhasa, Mt Everest, xi'an, beijing |
| 05:21.31 | burnin | thats cool, I haven't even left the country, I've been to Canada but that's hardly leaving the country. :) |
| 05:21.34 | mindjuju | now, my idea of traveling is going to moutainside marriott in park city on the off season |
| 05:22.05 | mindjuju | you got kids? |
| 05:22.23 | burnin | no kids, married in '95 |
| 05:23.01 | mindjuju | congrats, you just past your 11th year! |
| 05:23.10 | mindjuju | we just clicked past our 6th anniversary |
| 05:23.35 | mindjuju | i tell my wife, it seems like it was just yesterday we got married, and we all know what a good day yesterday was |
| 05:23.55 | mindjuju | she really hates it when i say that, but she knows i'm just kidding |
| 05:24.02 | burnin | lol |
| 05:30.19 | mindjuju | burnin, if you want to see some pics go to |
| 05:30.19 | mindjuju | http://www.billgood.com/vvilla/everest.jpg |
| 05:30.34 | mindjuju | http://www.billgood.com/vvilla/monks.jpg |
| 05:31.08 | mindjuju | the monks one is my fav -- those guys were hilarious |
| 05:32.33 | burnin | so the chinese still allow the monks to practice their religion? |
| 05:32.49 | burnin | or was that not in china? |
| 05:33.26 | mindjuju | depends on who you ask. It's Tibet. To the Tibetans, it's their country, to the Chinese, Tibet is theirs |
| 05:33.28 | mindjuju | sadly |
| 05:33.51 | mindjuju | The can practice their religion but it isn't the same |
| 05:34.09 | mindjuju | it is heavily regulated by the Chinese gov |
| 05:34.41 | mindjuju | i personally think they keep the monks around because it is good for Tourism, it didn't appear to me to have anything to do with respect for them or their culture |
| 05:36.01 | mindjuju | there are chinese military depots all accross Tibet, armed guards at all the gov buildings |
| 05:36.59 | mindjuju | the funny thing though, is that the Tibetan people are without a doubt the happiest people i've ever met, even though they are occupied. The really cool thing is that as I traveled to Everest, all the gas stations are combo like i mean, hotel, resturant and gas |
| 05:37.14 | mindjuju | and when you go inside the resturant, they are always playing Mr. Bean |
| 05:39.01 | burnin | If I had pictures of my wedding online I'd share, it was a Cambodian buddhist ceremony. :) |
| 05:39.11 | burnin | a few monks as well |
| 05:39.25 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 05:39.58 | burnin | I didn't have a clue what I was doing, but they helped me through it. |
| 05:41.26 | mindjuju | yup, there are so many things going on during the ceremony and then being excited about being married, it's hard to keep your head straight |
| 05:52.27 | burnin | work in the morning, time to hit the sack, nite... |
| 05:53.37 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 15:19.07 | _psychic_ | ~wake mindjuju |
| 15:19.10 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 15:19.44 | mindjuju | thx a heap! |
| 15:19.53 | _psychic_ | anytime |
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| 17:44.34 | mindjuju | macnewbold, are we stil planning on meeting at Himalyan Kitchen? |
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| 18:02.17 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 18:03.12 | mindjuju | i've got a page that has some downloads where the download div is hidden until you click on the link. the link is the word, Download |
| 18:03.51 | mindjuju | for some reason, the boss doesn't like the word Download, so i need a word for a link that is going to show this div where the downloads are, but can't be downoad, any ideas? |
| 18:04.35 | timinator | what are the files to be downloaded? |
| 18:05.13 | mindjuju | some pdfs and some exes |
| 18:05.34 | mindjuju | i just checked iTunes and they use the word Get, i wonder if there is anything else? |
| 18:05.44 | _psychic_ | "Show Whatevers" |
| 18:05.58 | _psychic_ | View Files? |
| 18:06.13 | _psychic_ | Maybe just 'Continue' ? |
| 18:06.31 | timinator | did the boss say what he prefers, or did he say why he doesn't like the word download? |
| 18:06.42 | _psychic_ | yeah make him pick :) |
| 18:06.43 | mindjuju | nope, and he couldnt' think of anything |
| 18:06.50 | mindjuju | i think i'm going with iTunes |
| 18:06.53 | mindjuju | they use Get |
| 18:07.09 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 18:07.16 | timinator | or you could name it something more specific.... like "Direct File Access" |
| 18:07.37 | timinator | or File Vault |
| 18:08.17 | timinator | or Document Connection |
| 18:08.29 | timinator | File Cabinet |
| 18:09.12 | timinator | File Repository |
| 18:09.26 | timinator | or hit a Thesaurus |
| 18:09.41 | timinator | for files or documents |
| 18:10.37 | timinator | I like "poop sheets" |
| 18:10.38 | timinator | :) |
| 18:31.39 | burnin | EM pulse duplication |
| 18:32.01 | mindjuju | pacetize and transport, now that's cool |
| 18:36.05 | drip | I think you should just make up a new term for it. Then you can say you coined it. |
| 18:36.19 | mindjuju | download 2.0 |
| 18:36.28 | timinator | NICE |
| 18:36.30 | drip | lol |
| 18:36.32 | timinator | I'm going to steal it |
| 18:36.40 | timinator | use it in my apps... |
| 18:36.46 | timinator | there's no proof that you coined it |
| 18:37.09 | timinator | lol |
| 18:38.15 | mindjuju | besides this IRC |
| 18:38.53 | timinator | dangit |
| 18:38.53 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:39.03 | timinator | I almost had you for millions |
| 18:40.31 | drip | ThemTharFileThingeys would be nice. |
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| 19:46.16 | macnewbold | mindjuju: sorry about the Kitchen... our server didn't work so well |
| 19:46.26 | macnewbold | some motherboard problem that was causing all sorts of grief |
| 19:46.31 | macnewbold | had to send it back today |
| 19:46.41 | macnewbold | but hoping to get it back, then install it down at XM next week |
| 19:46.48 | timinator | not good |
| 19:47.16 | macnewbold | yeah, you could turn it off with the power button, |
| 19:47.26 | macnewbold | but then it wouldn't turn back on unless you unplugged it and plugged it back in |
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| 19:48.31 | mindjuju | no worries, i got called into an emergency meet plus couldn't remember if we finalized everythign |
| 19:48.35 | mindjuju | so i didn't go down there yet |
| 19:49.01 | mindjuju | sorry to hear about your server |
| 19:49.45 | macnewbold | they're being really good about taking care of it though, so that's good at least |
| 19:49.51 | macnewbold | www.abmx.com if anyone needs servers |
| 20:01.02 | timinator | thx for the link |
| 20:03.19 | tierra | macnewbold: what is pricing like for colo with XM? |
| 20:27.29 | fungus | macnewbold: thanks for the link. They look pretty cool, and they pre-install FreeBSD! :) |
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| 21:44.09 | macnewbold | tierra: sorry for the delay - they've restructured pricing a little lately, but I think what I'm about to say is still true |
| 21:44.22 | macnewbold | they now have three parts to the charges: space, power, and bandwidth |
| 21:45.12 | macnewbold | in the open rack space (not in a cabinet), it is $15/RMU per month, and $15/power supply per month for power. |
| 21:45.19 | macnewbold | so a 1U box is $30/month for space and power |
| 21:45.31 | macnewbold | (unless it has dual power supplies and you use both) |
| 21:46.43 | macnewbold | the bandwidth plans start at 64Kbps (they're all burstable to 100Mbps) which is about 19GB/month I think |
| 21:47.01 | macnewbold | they all come with 3yr, 2yr, 1yr, or month-to-month contracts and pricing |
| 21:47.57 | macnewbold | I think the 3yr contract rate on 64Kbps starts at about $65/month |
| 21:53.46 | macnewbold | if you irc to ircd.xmission.com and go to #xmlounge, john or others can get you a full price list |
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| 21:55.57 | macnewbold | timinator has a current price list too, with all the goods |
| 21:58.44 | timinator | here is an email I received from xmission detailing a high-end dedicated hosting plan and the colo pricing grid: http://mylumbertrader.com/downloads/xmission.txt |
| 22:03.24 | mindjuju | yup, that's the price list i've got for them |
| 22:03.39 | mindjuju | we've got 4u out there |
| 22:09.08 | macnewbold | for space, the other option is a locking cabinet |
| 22:09.40 | macnewbold | they've got 14U (1/3 rack), 20U (1/2 rack) or full rack (about 40-44U) |
| 22:10.00 | macnewbold | the power pricing is a little different for them |
| 22:10.27 | timinator | how much bandwidth do you all think a big site like digg.com gets? |
| 22:10.49 | timinator | s/gets/runs through |
| 22:17.29 | timinator | I ask because I would like to benchmark those numbers to speculate on how much bandwidth my own humble, industry specific, web 2.0 startup will need |
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| 22:34.49 | macnewbold | timinator: start small, get the littlest plan |
| 22:34.53 | macnewbold | you can upgrade at any time |
| 22:35.00 | macnewbold | on 0 advance notice |
| 22:35.04 | macnewbold | or even after the fact |
| 22:35.26 | macnewbold | the contract lets you upgrade at any time, you just can't downgrade until the end of your contract term when you do the next contract |
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| 22:36.11 | macnewbold | fungus is back again |
| 22:36.15 | macnewbold | you're having a rough day it looks like |
| 22:36.32 | tierra | thanks macnewbold, timinator |
| 22:36.38 | timinator | np dude |
| 22:36.46 | timinator | thanks macnewbold |
| 22:36.50 | macnewbold | their service is great, and rock solid, fwiw |
| 22:36.58 | macnewbold | and the tech support guys are wonderful |
| 22:37.14 | macnewbold | once I forgot to add myself to sudoers before installing a server, and they happily went down and did it for me |
| 22:37.22 | timinator | I'm with Linode now.... and can add bandwidth as needed.. |
| 22:37.54 | tierra | yes, I've always known that XM has a great staff (I've known a few of them personally from time to time) |
| 22:37.58 | timinator | I've got 200 GB now, but did some math and got ##s from 100 GB - 650 GB |
| 22:37.58 | macnewbold | that's a good option if you don't need the whole server, but do need root, and don't need to be able to choose your own hardware or get to it physically |
| 22:38.04 | tierra | XM is still way expensive though :( |
| 22:38.21 | tierra | timinator: I've been with Linode for over 2 years now |
| 22:38.28 | timinator | cool |
| 22:38.33 | timinator | you like them I guess |
| 22:38.39 | tierra | yes, very much |
| 22:39.02 | timinator | but you were asking about xmission to begin with... are you planning on switching? |
| 22:39.31 | tierra | I'm always keeping an eye open for an upgrade to either dedicated or colo |
| 22:39.57 | tierra | VPSs just don't cut it when it comes to RAM |
| 22:40.49 | timinator | oh |
| 22:40.51 | timinator | gotcha |
| 22:41.22 | tierra | though the jump from VPS to colo is up around $100/mo more than I pay now, which hurts unless I have other funding coming in |
| 22:41.54 | timinator | I hear ya |
| 22:42.06 | tierra | I'm probably going to end up moving to some dedicated solution first, which you can usually find some decent stuff around $80/mo |
| 22:42.29 | timinator | what linode are you on? |
| 22:42.39 | tierra | I'd love XM if bandwidth wasn't so expensive |
| 22:42.46 | tierra | I've got a 200 right now |
| 22:42.59 | _psychic_ | 200 Mb ? ;) |
| 22:43.46 | tierra | _psychic_: yeah, Linodes are numbered by RAM included in plan |
| 22:44.00 | timinator | http://www.linode.com/products/linodes.cfm |
| 22:44.59 | macnewbold | tierra: is it just for your own stuff, or do you resell it or otherwise use it for a business or for-pay venture? |
| 22:45.30 | timinator | ya, what do you do tierra? |
| 22:45.41 | tierra | personal stuff right now, hehe |
| 22:46.14 | tierra | I've got a business that's techinically in web design / hosting, but we haven't done any of that in the last 3 years |
| 22:48.06 | tierra | We've been working with cross-platform application development the last 3 years... |
| 22:51.16 | timinator | cool |
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