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| 00:19.39 | mindjuju | Anybody around? |
| 00:21.40 | beandog | sup mindjuju |
| 00:21.58 | mindjuju | yo, have you ever used a CMS like mambo or something? |
| 00:22.08 | beandog | mm nope |
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| 00:46.28 | Utah_Dave | I've used Joomla some |
| 00:47.35 | mindjuju | did you like it? |
| 00:47.39 | mindjuju | was it flexible |
| 00:47.46 | Utah_Dave | it's not too bad. |
| 00:48.11 | Utah_Dave | I found it to be confusing sometimes. But overall it's working pretty well for my HOA website |
| 00:49.04 | mindjuju | do you get to use your designed GUI or do you have to use a pre-made template? |
| 00:53.12 | Utah_Dave | I used a pre-made template. |
| 00:53.41 | Utah_Dave | it worked fine and I had already put too much time into a free site |
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| 15:39.24 | timothy_ | ~hi bigdog_ut |
| 15:39.25 | jbot | Many greetings, bigdog_ut, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 15:39.25 | drip | are you sure? |
| 15:39.34 | bigdog_ut | oh im sure |
| 15:39.43 | bigdog_ut | tired as can be...but im here |
| 15:39.47 | drip | amen to that. |
| 15:42.37 | mindjuju | ugh, worked 12hr days over the weekend, went to sleep at 2a and got here at 8 |
| 15:44.29 | bigdog_ut | yeah i went to sleep at 3am then up at 7am |
| 15:46.23 | drip | sleep is overrated. |
| 15:46.47 | drip | it's so late 90's. |
| 15:47.33 | bigdog_ut | yep that was the last time i got a good night sleep |
| 15:47.37 | bigdog_ut | 1993 i think |
| 15:47.44 | drip | lol.. no kidding. |
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| 15:49.13 | bigdog_ut | oh...megadeth...gotta love it baby |
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| 16:27.46 | bigdog_ut | ^5 mindjuju |
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| 18:57.59 | bigdog_ut | drip scares me |
| 18:58.57 | bigdog_ut | drip is an uber ethug |
| 18:59.21 | mindjuju | hey bigdog_ut, did you see that article i posted on Friday about Salesforce saying they were going to put Oracle out of business? |
| 18:59.43 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 19:06.42 | mindjuju | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=e-thug |
| 19:06.49 | mindjuju | Electronic thug. A pale, pimple faced, skinny white kid who would most likely burn up if he came into contact with natural sunlight. Spends all of his time threatening people over the internet to compensate for his lack of a life and hatred of humanity for not accepting him. |
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| 19:07.53 | timothy_ | mindjuju: what was the article link? |
| 19:08.05 | mindjuju | to eThug? |
| 19:08.14 | mindjuju | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=e-thug |
| 19:08.35 | timothy_ | no, to the Salesforce vs. Oracle article |
| 19:12.26 | mindjuju | timothy_ |
| 19:12.29 | mindjuju | found it |
| 19:12.34 | mindjuju | here is the direct quote |
| 19:12.34 | mindjuju | Former Oracle exec: 'We will destroy Oracle' |
| 19:12.42 | mindjuju | http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/15/technology/disruptors_salesforce.biz2/index.htm |
| 19:12.51 | timothy_ | thx mindjuju |
| 19:13.19 | mindjuju | they state they actually pose a threat to more than oracle |
| 19:13.39 | mindjuju | but since there's some bad blood between saleforce and oracle, i think he just limited his threats to just oracle |
| 19:14.30 | timothy_ | do you think they pose a legitimate threat? |
| 19:15.07 | mindjuju | well, that article is actually one in a series of 12 about innovations that could be as revolutionary as the telephone or internet |
| 19:15.29 | mindjuju | really cool ideas, but as to the REAL power of the invention, who knows? |
| 19:16.02 | mindjuju | i'd be interested to see what bigdog_ut thinks |
| 19:16.07 | mindjuju | he's the real SQL pro |
| 19:16.57 | bigdog_ut | oracle has deep pockets...i dont think it will pose a problem to orac |
| 19:17.44 | mindjuju | the invention that has me interested is this one |
| 19:17.45 | mindjuju | http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/15/technology/disruptors_coghead.biz2/index.htm?postversion=2006092014 |
| 19:18.51 | mindjuju | course though, these are all concepts that while implemented and tested, haven't really met the public, so who knows what will happen |
| 19:19.31 | macnewbold | what is salesforce doing that could hurt oracle? |
| 19:19.36 | macnewbold | making a competing db? |
| 19:20.48 | timothy_ | from the article, it appears that they are using their own DB and Language |
| 19:20.51 | timothy_ | is that right? |
| 19:20.52 | mindjuju | With AppExchange 2.0, which Benioff plans to unveil this month, Salesforce.com will begin to close that gap. The details are mind-numbing, but Benioff's engineers have come up with a way to enable AppExchange to host both the data and the logic. "We are going to show you why you don't need to buy a database," Benioff vows. AppExchange, he explains, will be the database and the tools all rolled into one; it also, he says, will go |
| 19:22.49 | mindjuju | with the direction that MS SQL 2k5 is headed, being able to throw c# or other .net lang into the sql server itself, he's not unique in the approach |
| 19:23.13 | mindjuju | what they do have is that model in SaaS format |
| 19:25.29 | mindjuju | On the other hand, my understanding is that Oracle / Siebel were suppose to release some kind of super CRM this quarter |
| 19:25.52 | mindjuju | supposedly a "salesforce killer" |
| 19:28.49 | mindjuju | as a side note on that CNN series, this article takes a few minutes to read, but has some cool info on REAL alternative power solutions for cars |
| 19:28.51 | mindjuju | http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/15/technology/disruptors_eestor.biz2/index.htm |
| 19:29.47 | mindjuju | ugh, 1 minute left for lunch |
| 19:29.54 | mindjuju | oh well, back to work! |
| 19:53.35 | bigdog_ut | how was lunch? |
| 20:03.16 | bigdog_ut | ~fart macnewbold |
| 20:03.25 | jbot | ACTION farts in macnewbold's general direction |
| 20:03.43 | bigdog_ut | ~fart macnewbold "how's lunch?" |
| 20:03.46 | jbot | ACTION farts in macnewbold "how's lunch?"'s general direction |
| 20:03.46 | macnewbold | ~bonk bigdog_ut |
| 20:03.47 | jbot | ACTION bonks bigdog_ut over the head |
| 20:12.39 | mindjuju | lunch, it was alright |
| 20:12.46 | mindjuju | had a burger from apollo burger |
| 20:12.55 | mindjuju | i'd much had rather eaten chinese food though |
| 20:14.21 | mindjuju | yo, sup! we ought to have a uphpu lunch out again |
| 20:14.42 | bigdog_ut | that would be cool |
| 20:15.11 | mindjuju | macnewbold, fungus, herlo, utah_dave (i think), dataw0lf |
| 20:15.20 | mindjuju | who else was there |
| 20:15.22 | macnewbold | howdy, mindjuju |
| 20:15.29 | macnewbold | ah |
| 20:15.38 | mindjuju | sup, bidog_uit and I were saying we gots to do another lunch |
| 20:15.49 | macnewbold | a couple of people that dataw0lf knows were there too |
| 20:16.07 | mindjuju | let's do it this friday |
| 20:16.10 | macnewbold | but I don't think we'll see dataw0lf there |
| 20:16.12 | mindjuju | that way everybody can plan for it |
| 20:16.17 | macnewbold | nominations for a location? |
| 20:16.48 | macnewbold | I know a great indian place at 8800 S State (Sandy) with a very nice $8 lunch buffet |
| 20:17.19 | mindjuju | i thought i knew all the Indian resturants in the SLC |
| 20:17.27 | macnewbold | India House |
| 20:17.33 | macnewbold | very tasty stuff |
| 20:17.45 | macnewbold | have you been to Bangkok Express on 3300 S and 700 E? |
| 20:18.17 | mindjuju | love indian food. the absolute best is Himalayan Kitchen, 2 doors down from xmission main office / colo |
| 20:18.34 | mindjuju | haven't been to bangkok express |
| 20:18.34 | macnewbold | I was sad to lose New Delhi Palace (3300 S Redwood), but I think India House is related somewhere |
| 20:18.48 | macnewbold | Ah, I've never been to Himlayan Kitchen - I'll have to try it next time I'm down there |
| 20:18.53 | macnewbold | what are their prices like? |
| 20:19.03 | mindjuju | $8.95 lunch buffet |
| 20:19.17 | macnewbold | nice |
| 20:19.25 | macnewbold | sounds like a plan for our next server install :) |
| 20:19.30 | macnewbold | do they have parking nearby? |
| 20:19.56 | mindjuju | i know this sounds funny, but i used to be like... "wow! i need to patch the server! I better go down there and do it there physically because who knows what'll happen if i do it by remote" |
| 20:20.05 | mindjuju | go down for a quick patch job, then have lunch |
| 20:20.21 | mindjuju | parking is on the road, no parking lot |
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| 20:20.50 | mindjuju | k, so Indian Food from India House on Friday |
| 20:20.52 | mindjuju | what time? |
| 20:21.25 | mindjuju | and who else is coming? |
| 20:26.58 | macnewbold | does 12:30p sound good to everyone? |
| 20:27.33 | mindjuju | ~wake everybody |
| 20:27.34 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everybody and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:27.57 | timothy_ | I would if I could |
| 20:28.11 | mindjuju | need a ride? |
| 20:28.22 | timothy_ | I'm in Ogden |
| 20:28.29 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 20:28.41 | timothy_ | :) |
| 20:28.43 | timothy_ | thanks though |
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| 20:29.36 | mindjuju | herlo, just in time |
| 20:29.46 | herlo | for? |
| 20:29.53 | mindjuju | didn't you go to the uphpu lunch thing about 3 or 4 months ago? |
| 20:30.03 | herlo | um, maybe, why? |
| 20:30.05 | xilch|w | I'm down for the lunch - I bet U can get synic and cyclone to come too |
| 20:30.09 | xilch|w | mebbe even com4 |
| 20:30.10 | mindjuju | cause we are doing another one |
| 20:30.16 | herlo | when? |
| 20:30.23 | xilch|w | er, that U should be an I |
| 20:30.28 | mindjuju | Indian Food from India House on Friday |
| 20:30.35 | mindjuju | 12:30p |
| 20:30.51 | herlo | hmm, well, I'll be in Chicago on Friday, but let me know when the next one is... |
| 20:31.06 | mindjuju | synic |
| 20:31.15 | herlo | well, actually, I should say, I'll *still* be in Chicago on Friday... |
| 20:31.47 | synic | woot. |
| 20:32.03 | synic | the foodz |
| 20:32.03 | mindjuju | yup |
| 20:32.03 | mindjuju | you in? |
| 20:32.07 | synic | for sure |
| 20:32.40 | mindjuju | where you eating at tonight? |
| 20:32.44 | xilch|w | so yeah, all the aforementioned kids are in as well |
| 20:32.57 | mindjuju | way cool |
| 20:33.05 | mindjuju | what about tierra? |
| 20:33.14 | tierra | ? |
| 20:33.29 | mindjuju | eats on Friday |
| 20:33.36 | mindjuju | Indian Food @12:30 |
| 20:33.59 | tierra | hmmm, I'm down, eco? |
| 20:36.40 | mindjuju | maybe we should change the channel info to mention the lunch |
| 20:37.49 | tierra | hmmm, Sandy... that's quite the drive from the office |
| 20:38.03 | synic | pansy. |
| 20:38.07 | tierra | actually, scratch that... it's friday |
| 20:38.13 | tierra | we don't work friday |
| 20:38.22 | tierra | that's works out perfect then |
| 20:38.29 | tierra | since I live in sandy |
| 20:38.30 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 20:38.31 | tierra | hehe |
| 20:39.06 | timothy_ | tierra?!? .... are you a girl? ....on a PHP list??? |
| 20:39.27 | mindjuju | it's too bad its lunch not dinner, cause if dinner, we could have a LAN party afterwords |
| 20:39.28 | synic | rofl. |
| 20:39.34 | xilch|w | sounds like this'll be a pretty big gathering - Will the venu hold all of us comfortably? |
| 20:39.35 | synic | yes, he's a girl. |
| 20:39.46 | timothy_ | LOL |
| 20:40.08 | xilch|w | he's a girl you don't want to invite to a lan party though |
| 20:40.14 | xilch|w | because he will clean your clock |
| 20:40.21 | timothy_ | If I had the name tierra, my friends would beat me up |
| 20:40.28 | xilch|w | oh, we do |
| 20:40.32 | timothy_ | LOL |
| 20:40.43 | synic | er... tierra |
| 20:40.46 | synic | but you get one too. |
| 20:40.55 | timothy_ | back at ya synic |
| 20:41.25 | mindjuju | we could go consoles and comps |
| 20:42.04 | mindjuju | halo 2 / SW battlefront 2 for consoles and what ever for comps |
| 20:45.23 | timothy_ | see, how could a guy flick a boog at someone w/ a girl in the room?!? |
| 20:45.45 | timothy_ | It just wouldn't be right |
| 20:55.58 | macnewbold | xilch|w: yeah, we'll be fine there - the place has room for everyone, and for lunch, no waiting either |
| 20:56.48 | Utah_Dave | anybody ever have a problem with an exclamation point in a MySQL password? |
| 20:57.02 | macnewbold | not yet, but I'm not sure I've tried it :) |
| 20:58.04 | Utah_Dave | hm |
| 20:58.32 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Geek Lunch: 12:30pm Friday 9/29 @ India House (8660 S State St, Sandy) |
| 20:58.55 | macnewbold | okay, so how many do we know of for lunch Friday so far? |
| 20:59.15 | macnewbold | mindjuju, me, xilch|w, synic, tierra, anyone else? |
| 21:01.22 | xilch|w | com4 and cyclone |
| 21:01.35 | xilch|w | what about eco? |
| 21:02.10 | xilch|w | I bet fungus would come too |
| 21:02.29 | xilch|w | if his lunch works out that way |
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| 21:10.23 | *** topic/#uphpu is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Geek Lunch: 12:30pm Friday 9/29 @ India House (8660 S State St, Sandy) |
| 21:28.36 | Utah_Dave | I might be able to make lunch on Friday. |
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| 22:11.33 | mindjuju | this is going to be cool |
| 22:11.40 | mindjuju | fungus, do you think you'll be able to go? |
| 22:29.36 | fungus | What is going to be cool? |
| 22:31.43 | mindjuju | eating Indian food as a php group |
| 22:31.45 | mindjuju | in Sandy |
| 22:32.08 | mindjuju | think you can go? |
| 22:33.27 | fungus | Maybe. it sounds interesting. |
| 23:10.47 | macnewbold | fungus: if you wanted to meet me at work, I could drive out to sandy and back, but that might take longer than just driving direct, only savings would be on gas. |
| 23:10.55 | macnewbold | either way we'll be gone over an hour probably |
| 23:11.40 | timothy_ | wishing I didn't live so far north |
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| 23:14.30 | mindjuju | what hours you work on Friday? |
| 23:14.36 | mindjuju | timothy_ ? |
| 23:14.45 | timothy_ | sun up to sun down |
| 23:14.48 | timothy_ | LOL |
| 23:14.58 | timothy_ | seriously, I run my own gig |
| 23:15.20 | timothy_ | but there's too much going on to take a couple hour lunch right now |
| 23:15.47 | timothy_ | no big |
| 23:18.55 | mindjuju | a bummer though |
| 23:19.14 | mindjuju | are you able to LAN on like a saturday night? |
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| 23:20.11 | timothy_ | not likely |
| 23:20.24 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 23:20.40 | mindjuju | was going to say, i'm going to really try to launch that cause i think it would be a blast |
| 23:21.14 | timothy_ | a LAN party? how does that work? |
| 23:21.38 | mindjuju | well, if you got a console like xbox, bring it and a tv |
| 23:21.48 | mindjuju | i've got a switch we all plug into |
| 23:22.03 | mindjuju | if your running comps, then some people have crazy souped up laptops |
| 23:22.12 | mindjuju | or you can do it the old skool way |
| 23:22.20 | mindjuju | pack your monitor and box, keyboard and mouse |
| 23:22.36 | timothy_ | and play games? |
| 23:22.40 | mindjuju | yup |
| 23:22.43 | timothy_ | cool |
| 23:23.01 | mindjuju | yeah, when we did it in houston for halflife |
| 23:23.26 | mindjuju | we used to get the maps and everything ready beforehand |
| 23:23.35 | timothy_ | cool |
| 23:23.39 | mindjuju | that way people could load it, look at th emap and plan |
| 23:23.51 | mindjuju | yeah, loads of fun. we'd play near 10 hours some times |
| 23:23.57 | timothy_ | haha... sounds like a blast |
| 23:24.05 | synic | omg - you've never been to a LAN party? |
| 23:24.08 | synic | you're missing out |
| 23:24.14 | timothy_ | never been |
| 23:24.34 | timothy_ | but I'm on a PB 15" w/ Majesty, Tropico and The Sims |
| 23:24.36 | timothy_ | only |
| 23:24.42 | timothy_ | LOL |
| 23:24.50 | timothy_ | most of those are OS 9 anyway |
| 23:26.14 | timothy_ | oh, and chess |
| 23:26.26 | timothy_ | LOL |
| 23:26.51 | mindjuju | i'd even be willing to send my wife to my father in law's house for a friday-saturday and will have it on a friday night til sat morn |
| 23:27.06 | mindjuju | that way yeah, can crawl back home and recover and gives me time to clean up before she gets back |
| 23:27.30 | timothy_ | haha |
| 23:27.38 | mindjuju | could have gaming from fri - 7ish till when you get tired and either leave or fall asleep |
| 23:27.49 | mindjuju | i push people out at 9a |
| 23:28.17 | mindjuju | say like $4 cover charge for sodas or pizza |
| 23:28.26 | mindjuju | which should get you must of a little casesrs |
| 23:28.31 | mindjuju | will have to figure it out |
| 23:28.42 | macnewbold | the place to do the party |
| 23:28.50 | macnewbold | is someplace with Utopia 30Mbps internet... |
| 23:28.52 | mindjuju | cause dude, when your gaming like crazy, you get hungry |
| 23:29.03 | timothy_ | LOL |
| 23:29.26 | timothy_ | what's a good comp for this? |
| 23:29.27 | mindjuju | and it get's loud too, cause people are yelling and stuff |
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| 23:30.04 | mindjuju | really depends on the games your playing |
| 23:30.26 | mindjuju | so like halflife has really LOW demands so you can run a p3 and have a killer time |
| 23:30.34 | timothy_ | what would be played besides half life? |
| 23:30.59 | mindjuju | really depends on the crowd, if they like FPS or RTS |
| 23:31.15 | mindjuju | if fps - first person shooter, then halflife, duke, etc |
| 23:31.32 | mindjuju | if rts - real time strategy, then red alert, warzone 2100, etc |
| 23:31.42 | mindjuju | course though that was games from several years ago |
| 23:31.50 | mindjuju | i've gone console now so i'm mainly xbox |
| 23:32.41 | mindjuju | so the absolute best way to do it is get like 10 - 15 people to commit to going |
| 23:32.49 | mindjuju | have everybody agree on what games |
| 23:33.00 | mindjuju | get all the maps and put them on CD and pass them out or put them for download |
| 23:33.10 | mindjuju | and all that happens like a good week prior to lan party |
| 23:33.41 | mindjuju | that give you time to check things out on some of the maps cause they'll be new, or in some cases where you haven't played the game, give you time to load it, get it working, and get used to the controls |
| 23:33.52 | timothy_ | I see |
| 23:34.28 | mindjuju | so all you have is a mac? |
| 23:34.38 | mindjuju | any pc or xbox? |
| 23:35.50 | timothy_ | nope |
| 23:35.52 | timothy_ | mac only |
| 23:35.56 | timothy_ | it rocks |
| 23:36.21 | synic | quake3 works on a mac |
| 23:36.23 | synic | and UT |
| 23:36.28 | synic | two good games at a LAN party |
| 23:36.32 | timothy_ | I should be saying it to you: "All you have is a PC?!?" |
| 23:36.35 | timothy_ | I'm sorry |
| 23:36.45 | timothy_ | :) |
| 23:36.50 | synic | heh, I hate OS X. |
| 23:36.56 | synic | HATE it. |
| 23:37.07 | timothy_ | haha |
| 23:37.08 | mindjuju | synic, if he plays quake on mac and ya'll on PC, he'll be able to interface? |
| 23:37.20 | synic | mindjuju: I think so... never tried. |
| 23:37.32 | timothy_ | why do you hate os x? |
| 23:38.01 | mindjuju | hmmm... if not, i prolly could wrestle something up, though he wouldn't get to play or get used to the controls until then |
| 23:38.03 | synic | well, first off, I hate the MDI interface they have for everything. I hate the dock, I hate the apple OS X server |
| 23:38.15 | synic | I hate that there's no multiple desktops |
| 23:38.43 | synic | I hate that it costs money, and I hate Apple's business tactics - like you HAVE to have a firewire port to upgrade to the latest version of OS X |
| 23:38.48 | timothy_ | and a PC is better at those things? |
| 23:38.48 | synic | even if you don't ever use the firewire port. |
| 23:39.05 | synic | it sure is. |
| 23:39.46 | synic | ... that's my 2 cents :) |
| 23:41.23 | timothy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.34 | synic | yeah, I owned an iBook |
| 23:41.43 | timothy_ | ya? clamshell? |
| 23:41.52 | synic | no, the later ones. It was a G4 |
| 23:42.05 | timothy_ | but they had Firewire |
| 23:42.26 | synic | they sure did. It just made me mad that it was a requirement |
| 23:43.08 | synic | probably this all stems from me just being used to Linux. I wanted it to be like Linux. |
| 23:43.16 | synic | ... and it's just not. |
| 23:43.34 | timothy_ | I see..... and in that regard, it's not better |
| 23:43.50 | timothy_ | If you're looking for an OS that you setup each part |
| 23:44.05 | timothy_ | and have the options to keep it under a gig |
| 23:44.10 | timothy_ | it's not right for ya |
| 23:44.22 | timothy_ | but if you're looking for something that just works, it's great |
| 23:44.30 | timothy_ | plug and play |
| 23:45.03 | timothy_ | linux can't boast that.... and the ones that try (ex. Madrake) don't cut it like a mac |
| 23:45.27 | synic | how long since you tried? It's getting much better in that area. |
| 23:46.04 | timothy_ | I run a linux webserver now, but I'm still a novice in controls |
| 23:46.09 | timothy_ | but I see the value |
| 23:47.14 | timothy_ | I set one up a year ago w/ a GUI and everything... Gentoo distro |
| 23:47.29 | timothy_ | and it's nice for what it is, but it's not a mac |
| 23:47.38 | synic | ok, I'm off. Work is over. ttyl |
| 23:47.45 | timothy_ | late |