| 00:19.04 | timothy_ | I'm out guys, later |
| 00:19.12 | timothy_ | ~bye timothy_ |
| 00:19.13 | jbot | no |
| 00:19.17 | timothy_ | lol |
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| 00:26.29 | macnewbold | ~LOL is also means "laughing out loud" too |
| 00:26.32 | jbot | cannot alter locked factoids, macnewbold |
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| 15:10.05 | timothy_ | ~hi everyone |
| 15:10.21 | jbot | Many greetings, everyone, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 15:12.48 | timothy_ | does anyone mind a linux question? |
| 15:13.03 | timothy_ | along the lines of a question I had a few days ago |
| 15:13.08 | timothy_ | ?? |
| 15:13.35 | timothy_ | it started as a PHP question, if that helps |
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| 15:16.24 | timothy_ | ~hi _psychic_ |
| 15:16.26 | jbot | Many greetings, _psychic_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 15:17.54 | Utah_Dave | what's your question, timothy_? |
| 15:19.21 | timothy_ | I want to execute the command "pcmbatch P /var/www/vhosts/html/mylumbertradernet/pcmiler/route4.in 1 -t" on a regular interval |
| 15:19.29 | timothy_ | so I setup a crontab |
| 15:19.37 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 15:19.43 | timothy_ | w/ a file like this: |
| 15:19.45 | timothy_ | * * * * * pcmbatch P /var/www/vhosts/html/mylumbertradernet/pcmiler/route4.in 1 -t & |
| 15:20.15 | Utah_Dave | I think that would run it every second |
| 15:20.25 | timothy_ | pcmbatch converts the .in file to an .out file |
| 15:20.45 | timothy_ | and if I execute the command on the command line, it works |
| 15:20.56 | Utah_Dave | you might need to provide a full path to your executable |
| 15:21.01 | timothy_ | but in PHP and the cron file, it creates a blank .out file |
| 15:21.10 | timothy_ | oh.... I'll try |
| 15:21.39 | Utah_Dave | I had the same problem yesterday. Once I put in the full path to the script I wanted to run, it worked great. |
| 15:22.22 | Utah_Dave | Even within the script I wrote I had to use full paths because it seems the script got run from the crontab's perspective |
| 15:22.59 | Utah_Dave | my script pulled information from another file in the same directory, but when crontab ran it, it couldn't find the file because it was looking in the same folder as the crontab |
| 15:23.41 | timothy_ | I've set it up, and waiting for my minute to pass |
| 15:24.09 | timothy_ | but, if that were the case, wouldn't pcmbatch not run rather than create a blank file? |
| 15:24.14 | timothy_ | that's what's got me |
| 15:24.54 | timothy_ | but it doesn't operate like a normal command on the command line..... |
| 15:25.10 | timothy_ | usually you get a prompt IMMEDIATELY after issuing the command |
| 15:25.43 | timothy_ | pcmbatch appears to go into some sort of GUI (ASCI chars) and then back |
| 15:26.09 | timothy_ | I'm wondering if the cron (and PHP) run the command and see the GUI as a problem and then stop |
| 15:26.32 | timothy_ | have you ever encountered that? |
| 15:26.46 | Utah_Dave | I haven't |
| 15:27.13 | timothy_ | an example would be if you typed in "nano file.txt" |
| 15:27.21 | Utah_Dave | It might be simpler to create a bash script and get that working. |
| 15:27.21 | timothy_ | then it goes to the GUI for nano |
| 15:27.30 | Utah_Dave | and then have cron run that bash script |
| 15:27.45 | timothy_ | never done one... I'll research it |
| 15:28.00 | timothy_ | will that keep the command open until the GUI finishes? |
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| 15:29.27 | macnewbold | the "GUI" is in the terminal window, right? |
| 15:29.37 | timothy_ | The cron w/ the full path didn't run |
| 15:29.45 | timothy_ | yes mac |
| 15:29.45 | macnewbold | most programs like that detect whether or not they're attached to an actual terminal |
| 15:29.57 | timothy_ | oh |
| 15:30.05 | macnewbold | that might be what is freaking it out |
| 15:30.15 | timothy_ | is there a work-a-round? |
| 15:30.17 | macnewbold | does this program have any command-line switches or anything? |
| 15:30.31 | macnewbold | is this a program you paid for? any tech support available? |
| 15:30.46 | timothy_ | yes... paid big $$$.... |
| 15:31.01 | macnewbold | if you need to, you might be able to trick it using expect, or perhaps screen |
| 15:31.06 | timothy_ | they have tech support but they're not helping so far |
| 15:31.10 | macnewbold | figures |
| 15:31.21 | timothy_ | expect or screen? |
| 15:31.36 | timothy_ | I'm still fairly new to CLI |
| 15:31.45 | timothy_ | researching pleanty |
| 15:31.49 | timothy_ | are those commands? |
| 15:33.44 | macnewbold | yes, commands |
| 15:34.14 | macnewbold | expect is a tool based on the TCL language, that is designed to interact programmatically with other CLI programs |
| 15:35.23 | macnewbold | screen is a program that lets you run CLI programs, then put them on hold and reconnect to them later, while keeping them running and thinking they've still got a termina |
| 15:35.26 | macnewbold | l |
| 15:36.22 | timothy_ | I'm pulling most of my command info from here: http://www.ss64.com/bash/ |
| 15:36.28 | timothy_ | is there a better resource? |
| 15:37.48 | timothy_ | and "expect --help" gave this: "-su: expect: command not found" |
| 15:38.04 | timothy_ | is that something I need to install? or does it work differently |
| 15:38.48 | timothy_ | screen is there though |
| 15:39.13 | Utah_Dave | sometimes programs will have a switch to run completely from the command line. You might check for something like that. |
| 15:39.31 | timothy_ | I'll check |
| 15:40.34 | timothy_ | If I use screen in the cron job |
| 15:41.02 | timothy_ | what would the syntax be to make it wait a sec and then come back to it? |
| 15:51.27 | macnewbold | expect you'd probably need to install - it usually comes with tcl |
| 15:51.39 | macnewbold | (pronounced "tickle") |
| 15:52.42 | timothy_ | lol |
| 15:54.38 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 15:55.43 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 15:56.01 | macnewbold | I'm serious, the language TCL is pronounced in such a way that it rhymes with "pickle" |
| 15:56.10 | macnewbold | I don't recommend it for much, |
| 15:56.13 | macnewbold | but expect is pretty handy |
| 15:56.15 | drip | I'll provide you w/ an amen. |
| 15:56.21 | mindjuju | ah, that's funny |
| 15:56.50 | drip | bigdog_ut loves tcl |
| 15:56.51 | timothy_ | would expect be better than screen for something like this? |
| 16:00.08 | macnewbold | you might also find a tool in perl that does expect-like stuff |
| 16:00.27 | macnewbold | I don't know which is better, I'm just trying to find one that will let you run your program without actually having a terminal for it to use |
| 16:00.34 | macnewbold | so you could run it from Cron or whatever |
| 16:00.49 | timothy_ | I see, thanks |
| 16:00.52 | macnewbold | you may be able to make it happy by using ssh with the "force a pseudo-terminal" option |
| 16:01.14 | timothy_ | anybody know the emerge syntax for installing tcl on Gentoo? |
| 16:01.22 | timothy_ | emerge tcl? |
| 16:05.58 | macnewbold | probably |
| 16:06.06 | macnewbold | you might have to choose between 8.3 and 8.4 |
| 16:06.11 | macnewbold | if so, I'd try the newer one first |
| 16:06.33 | macnewbold | maybe emerge tcl84 |
| 16:07.43 | timothy_ | running, thx |
| 16:29.02 | timothy_ | brb |
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| 17:05.05 | timothy_ | Here ya go mac: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/TclTk-HOWTO-3.html |
| 17:05.39 | timothy_ | first line of the body text is: "Tcl is the acronym for "Tool Command Language" (it is pronounced "tickle")." |
| 17:12.06 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:12.09 | macnewbold | see mindjuju? |
| 17:12.54 | timothy_ | I've emerged tcl, but the command "tcl --help" said that tcl is not found |
| 17:13.05 | timothy_ | any ideas |
| 17:13.14 | macnewbold | sometimes you need to rehash or reload your path or something |
| 17:13.19 | macnewbold | try running it with an absolute path |
| 17:13.23 | macnewbold | like /usr/local/bin/tcl |
| 17:13.40 | macnewbold | you might need to try running tcl84 instead of just tcl |
| 17:14.13 | timothy_ | emerge tcl84 didn't work, emerge tcl did |
| 17:15.04 | macnewbold | ah |
| 17:15.07 | macnewbold | hm |
| 17:15.27 | fungus | if you are running a csh derivative, run 'rehash' |
| 17:16.14 | timothy_ | fungus: command not found |
| 17:16.30 | fungus | then you must be using an sh derivative. |
| 17:17.12 | timothy_ | I don't know |
| 17:17.22 | fungus | bash? |
| 17:17.27 | timothy_ | mac: tcl isn't in /urs/local/bin |
| 17:17.30 | fungus | probably, but that isn't important |
| 17:17.30 | timothy_ | yes, bash |
| 17:17.39 | fungus | emerge puts stuff in /usr/bin |
| 17:17.49 | fungus | BSD++ |
| 17:18.00 | fungus | /usr/bin/tcl |
| 17:18.09 | timothy_ | ah |
| 17:18.22 | timothy_ | tclsh and tclsh84 is under /usr/bin |
| 17:25.35 | fungus | so is that pronounced ticklish? |
| 17:26.22 | fungus | Did Elmo write TCL? |
| 17:26.28 | timothy_ | ~LOL |
| 17:26.29 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 17:26.48 | timothy_ | me ~LOL |
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| 17:49.02 | timothy_ | okay |
| 17:49.10 | timothy_ | so, my bash script looks like this |
| 17:49.12 | timothy_ | #!/bin/bash |
| 17:49.13 | timothy_ | tclsh |
| 17:49.13 | timothy_ | pcmbatch P /var/www/vhosts/html/mylumbertradernet/pcmiler/route4.in 1 -t |
| 17:49.13 | timothy_ | exit |
| 17:49.41 | timothy_ | and when I run that from the command line, it gives me a %prompt |
| 17:49.45 | timothy_ | and waits |
| 17:50.06 | timothy_ | so I typed in exit and then it ran PCMiler and exited |
| 17:50.10 | fungus | because the first line is executing the tclsh. which is a shell |
| 17:50.21 | timothy_ | ...... |
| 17:50.33 | timothy_ | what should I have there? |
| 17:50.39 | fungus | is the third line supposed to be TCL code? |
| 17:50.58 | timothy_ | the pcmbatch thing? |
| 17:51.03 | fungus | yes |
| 17:51.10 | timothy_ | no, that's the program that I'm trying to run |
| 17:51.31 | fungus | if it already is executable, just leave out the tclsh line |
| 17:51.45 | timothy_ | trying to run on a crontab first, then ultimately in PHP |
| 17:52.08 | Utah_Dave | yeah, like fungus said, take out the tclsh and try running it |
| 17:52.28 | timothy_ | k |
| 17:52.29 | Utah_Dave | if that works then your crontab should be able to run the script |
| 17:52.44 | Utah_Dave | of course if your crontab has the proper rights |
| 17:53.34 | timothy_ | rights to what? |
| 17:54.11 | Utah_Dave | permissions to run your bash script. |
| 17:54.25 | Utah_Dave | did running your bash script work from the command line? |
| 17:54.25 | timothy_ | I set the script to 777 |
| 17:55.35 | timothy_ | works from command line, not from cron |
| 17:55.54 | timothy_ | the problem is that this pcmbatch is a conversion software..... converts a .in file to .out |
| 17:56.11 | timothy_ | w/ the CLI, it works.... creates the .out and plugs in the data |
| 17:56.22 | timothy_ | w/ the cron, it just creates the .out |
| 17:56.26 | fungus | First 777 is bad. |
| 17:56.35 | fungus | unless you want the world modifying your file. |
| 17:56.55 | timothy_ | for testing purposes, I don't want to worry about permissions..... |
| 17:57.25 | timothy_ | second, how could the world modify the file if it's outside the web root |
| 17:57.32 | fungus | What user has rights, and should run the script? |
| 17:57.48 | timothy_ | shouldn't matter |
| 17:57.58 | fungus | You said it creates a .out file. |
| 17:58.05 | fungus | Who is allowed to create that file. |
| 17:58.14 | timothy_ | root or timothy or I can create a user just for this |
| 17:58.36 | timothy_ | I don't understand the question..... |
| 17:58.57 | timothy_ | If I run the pcmbatch command as timothy, it creates the file w/ timothy |
| 17:59.00 | fungus | who owns the directory you are writing the file to? |
| 17:59.03 | timothy_ | or root -- root |
| 17:59.09 | timothy_ | or whatever |
| 17:59.15 | timothy_ | 777 |
| 17:59.28 | fungus | oh the directory is 777 as well. |
| 17:59.34 | timothy_ | but timothy/apache |
| 17:59.43 | timothy_ | usr timothy, grp apache |
| 17:59.45 | timothy_ | yes |
| 18:00.08 | fungus | Well 777 means anyone can write to the directory. So anyone could run your script. |
| 18:00.27 | timothy_ | the script is not there... it's under /home/timothy |
| 18:00.44 | fungus | you said the script was 777 as well. |
| 18:00.45 | timothy_ | but that's temporary until I get the thing running |
| 18:00.52 | timothy_ | then It'll be a PHP script |
| 18:00.58 | timothy_ | it is |
| 18:01.19 | timothy_ | script == /home/timothy/pcmiler_script |
| 18:01.40 | fungus | don't worry about the crontab until you get it running the way you want it to run. |
| 18:01.49 | timothy_ | it calls pcmbatch P /var/www/vhosts/html/mylumbertradernet/pcmiler/route4.in 1 -t |
| 18:02.07 | timothy_ | it works fine from the CLI |
| 18:02.13 | timothy_ | but not PHP or cron |
| 18:02.28 | timothy_ | I'm just working w/ cron to eliminate the PHP side of things |
| 18:02.42 | fungus | Does it need a working directory? |
| 18:02.48 | timothy_ | ? |
| 18:02.55 | timothy_ | I don't know what you mean |
| 18:03.09 | fungus | where does the output go to? the current directory? |
| 18:03.24 | timothy_ | the same dir as the .in file it's converting |
| 18:03.31 | timothy_ | and it creates the .out file |
| 18:03.38 | timothy_ | on PHP and cron |
| 18:03.44 | timothy_ | but it's a blank file |
| 18:03.48 | fungus | Test that. change to /tmp and run your script. |
| 18:03.59 | timothy_ | did |
| 18:04.05 | timothy_ | no difference |
| 18:05.48 | fungus | who's crontab did you put that script into? |
| 18:06.11 | fungus | did it mail you any output? |
| 18:07.49 | timothy_ | in root and no |
| 18:08.00 | timothy_ | but I've tried timothy w/ the same result |
| 18:08.44 | fungus | if it is creating a blank .out file, then it is running. |
| 18:09.00 | fungus | that means pcmbatch is failing itself. |
| 18:10.00 | timothy_ | yes, but..... |
| 18:10.22 | timothy_ | pcmbatch breaks into a GUI for a sec or two |
| 18:10.52 | timothy_ | and I'm thinking that cron (and PHP) are viewing that break as a completion |
| 18:11.08 | fungus | So it's a GUI app. |
| 18:11.11 | fungus | ? |
| 18:11.21 | timothy_ | so, it creates the blank file, breaks into the conversion side to fill the .out file |
| 18:11.36 | timothy_ | it's a CLI interface to a GUI app |
| 18:12.01 | fungus | how does it connect to the GUI app? |
| 18:12.04 | fungus | X11 |
| 18:12.12 | timothy_ | I dunno |
| 18:12.21 | timothy_ | it looks like nano or something |
| 18:12.40 | timothy_ | 1 min |
| 18:12.51 | fungus | That is what you need to tshoot, not unix permissions. |
| 18:13.48 | fungus | Possibilities include: Environment variables (DISPLAY?), sockets, etc. |
| 18:14.02 | fungus | does pcmbatch have a verbose output option? |
| 18:15.43 | timothy_ | tech support just called back.... on the line |
| 18:15.56 | timothy_ | 1 min |
| 18:19.30 | bigdog_ut | timothy_, try running the command with the -z option |
| 18:20.15 | timothy_ | -z worked |
| 18:20.27 | bigdog_ut | ^5 bigdog_ut |
| 18:20.42 | timothy_ | thanks guys |
| 18:20.44 | bigdog_ut | try it with php |
| 18:20.53 | timothy_ | I did, it worked |
| 18:21.04 | timothy_ | sorry to bug you guys w/ something so simple |
| 18:21.10 | bigdog_ut | ^5 fungus |
| 18:21.20 | fungus | lol, you gotta tell me what -z does. |
| 18:21.31 | bigdog_ut | suppress startup screen |
| 18:21.41 | timothy_ | -z forces the entire process on the command line |
| 18:22.30 | fungus | heh, so it hung on displaying the startup screen. because $DISPLAY was missing. |
| 18:22.35 | timothy_ | thanks a ton for your help guys |
| 18:23.02 | fungus | np, good luck on your project. |
| 18:23.09 | timothy_ | ty |
| 18:23.21 | bigdog_ut | yep that was the issue |
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| 18:27.14 | timothy_ | Thanks bigdog, mac, fungus, Utah_Dave |
| 18:27.46 | timothy_ | if we were somewhere else, I'd order drinks all around |
| 18:28.29 | timothy_ | but since I'm in an office..... Office Supplies all around |
| 18:28.44 | bigdog_ut | ~smack timothy_ |
| 18:28.45 | jbot | ACTION smacks timothy_ upside the head. |
| 18:28.54 | bigdog_ut | all around |
| 18:28.56 | timothy_ | lol |
| 18:29.07 | timothy_ | ~lol |
| 18:29.09 | jbot | i guess lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 18:31.43 | brasto | what if it stands for "Laugh Out Loud"? |
| 18:32.02 | brasto | Then it could have an implied "I" at the beginning. |
| 18:32.22 | brasto | or... what if it were Lots Of Love... ugh... |
| 18:32.29 | timothy_ | ugh |
| 18:32.35 | brasto | LOL |
| 18:32.40 | brasto | oops... |
| 18:39.41 | brasto | i registered my user name (brasto) with freenode, and it worked for that session. do i need to re-register it ever single time i connect? |
| 18:40.07 | drip | you need to authenticate when you log in |
| 18:40.14 | drip | your client should allow you to provide the password |
| 18:40.21 | drip | either by a script or some type of perform |
| 18:40.27 | drip | when you log in |
| 18:41.04 | brasto | i put the password in the client, but it doesn't seem to put me in as a registered user. i'll retype the password and try again then. thank you drip. |
| 18:42.04 | drip | np.. |
| 18:42.22 | drip | just have your client send the msg to nickserv identify <yourpassword> on login. |
| 18:52.24 | brasto | got it: /msg nickserv identify MYPASSWORD |
| 18:52.32 | brasto | I added it to custom commands |
| 18:53.36 | brasto | drip, that's the first time i think i've ever called someone "drip"... :) |
| 18:58.39 | brasto | anyone ever been here: http://www.juvalamu.com/qmarks/ |
| 18:59.00 | brasto | The Gallery Of "Misused" Quotation Marks |
| 19:04.11 | drip | =) |
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| 20:45.47 | brasto | I would like to present to UPHPU on RSS parsing with PHP5 vs PHP4 in a couple months. Does this seem a good topic? |
| 20:46.03 | brasto | Any thoughts/comments? |
| 20:56.11 | fungus | great idea |
| 20:56.47 | wps | absolutely |
| 20:57.06 | wps | december is open |
| 20:58.40 | brasto | I'll take a tentative on December |
| 20:58.52 | brasto | need to check with my boss first |
| 20:58.59 | wps | k |
| 20:59.03 | brasto | $boss== "wife"; |
| 20:59.19 | wps | send me an email with your name, contact info, and a brief description of what you will present on |
| 20:59.21 | wps | admin@uphpu.org |
| 21:24.04 | Utah_Dave | wps, macnewbold, do you guys have any idea of how many people to expect at tonight's meeting? |
| 21:24.51 | macnewbold | well, not me, not brasto, I know that much :) |
| 21:25.12 | wps | I don't |
| 21:25.15 | brasto | utah_dave et al, i won't be there this time, my wife also has a meeting |
| 21:26.15 | brasto | so, initial count is at 2: wps (just a guess) and utah_dave |
| 21:26.38 | wps | I am planning on being there this evening |
| 21:26.52 | wps | although that cuts into work time for bigdog_ut :) |
| 21:27.00 | wps | so I guess I should get permission from him |
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| 21:32.41 | brasto | wps, i sent the requested email for December presentation. |
| 21:32.41 | wps | thanks |
| 21:33.45 | brasto | need any more info? |
| 21:33.46 | Utah_Dave | does bigdog_ut work with you wps? |
| 21:34.03 | wps | not 9-5, no |
| 21:34.11 | wps | we consult together |
| 21:34.36 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 21:35.05 | wps | occasionally… I have been busy lately moving and having a baby |
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| 21:58.01 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 21:59.24 | bigdog_ut | ~slacker wps |
| 21:59.58 | wps | I started your thing last night, but am not done |
| 22:00.04 | wps | I will be working on it again tonight |
| 22:00.11 | bigdog_ut | sweet |
| 22:00.28 | bigdog_ut | mine sucks |
| 22:00.33 | wps | can I get a better description of what kind of content/features then want on the home page? |
| 22:00.40 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 22:03.18 | *** part/#uphpu brasto (n=brasto@71-213-52-23.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:23.31 | wps | what do you guys think? |
| 22:23.38 | wps | I don't want to discourage employers from posting |
| 22:23.49 | wps | should I let job postings through that state the salary as DOE? |
| 22:24.38 | wps | I have tried not to in the past |
| 22:27.21 | bigdog_ut | i think that if you let them through they need to have a salary range |
| 22:27.31 | wps | I agree |
| 22:29.10 | wps | hah |
| 22:29.12 | wps | here's one with 25-75K DOE |
| 22:29.20 | wps | that's just as good as not putting one |
| 22:29.22 | wps | sheesh |
| 22:29.44 | wps | pay is $1 - $400,000 anually |
| 22:29.47 | wps | blah… blah… blah |
| 22:29.59 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:30.48 | Utah_Dave | I agree. Please require a salary range |
| 22:32.43 | wps | job postings that describe every technology, platform, language, and skill… expecting the individual to be a technological swiss army knife crack me up |
| 22:33.09 | bigdog_ut | yep those are the best |
| 22:33.40 | wps | especially ones that are for web developers and list HTML as a requirement |
| 22:33.45 | wps | no-freaking-duh |
| 22:33.52 | bigdog_ut | expert skillz with ajax, javascript, dhtml, php, perl, python, tcl/tk, ruby, java, c/c++/c#, gtk, qt |
| 22:33.58 | wps | exactly |
| 22:33.59 | bigdog_ut | those are my favorit |
| 22:34.30 | bigdog_ut | man kvm switches are so expensive |
| 22:34.39 | bigdog_ut | you would think the price would go down |
| 22:45.55 | bigdog_ut | i want a job where i do javascript and css all day everyday |
| 22:46.13 | bigdog_ut | 25-75k is a big difference |
| 22:46.19 | bigdog_ut | especially in experience |
| 22:46.39 | bigdog_ut | i doubt they will do above 50k though |
| 22:46.50 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, you should apply and see how much you can get |
| 22:46.52 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:52.12 | bigdog_ut | ~whip mindjuju |
| 23:26.56 | Utah_Dave | wps: The time for the meeting tonight isn't posted in the announcement on the uphpu website. It's 7:00 to 8:30, right? |
| 23:27.20 | timothy_ | I'm out |
| 23:27.20 | wps | yes |
| 23:27.25 | timothy_ | see ya guys |