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| 15:37.16 | alphahawk | can you use a include in a function so that it is only called in that function? |
| 15:38.56 | wps | I'm pretty sure you can, yes |
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| 15:45.59 | macnewbold | yes, you can |
| 15:46.19 | macnewbold | but it might have to compile the include file every time anyway, I'm not sure about that part. |
| 15:46.45 | alphahawk | ok |
| 15:47.50 | alphahawk | mac or wps know where I can find a good explination on the difference between a static and method call? |
| 15:49.41 | _psychic_ | static methods can be called without creating an instantiation of the class that features the method alphahawk |
| 15:50.45 | bigdog_ut | that is correct |
| 15:51.11 | alphahawk | nice copy and paste from php site hehe. |
| 15:52.19 | _psychic_ | is it? |
| 15:52.21 | _psychic_ | sweet |
| 15:52.22 | alphahawk | still not making a huge amount of sense |
| 15:52.23 | alphahawk | hehe |
| 15:52.25 | _psychic_ | well |
| 15:52.29 | _psychic_ | if you have a class |
| 15:52.33 | _psychic_ | called Monkey |
| 15:52.40 | _psychic_ | and you have a method in that class |
| 15:52.45 | _psychic_ | called eatBanana |
| 15:52.48 | _psychic_ | you're going to have to do |
| 15:52.54 | _psychic_ | $bob = new Monkey(); |
| 15:52.57 | _psychic_ | before you can |
| 15:53.02 | _psychic_ | $bob->eatBanana(), right? |
| 15:53.19 | _psychic_ | alphahawk: ? |
| 15:53.56 | alphahawk | ok |
| 15:54.00 | _psychic_ | so |
| 15:54.06 | _psychic_ | say you create another method |
| 15:54.21 | _psychic_ | called likes() |
| 15:54.23 | _psychic_ | that you want to be static |
| 15:54.26 | _psychic_ | meaning |
| 15:54.27 | _psychic_ | that |
| 15:54.39 | _psychic_ | you don't want to have to create a Monkey to use it, |
| 15:54.54 | _psychic_ | so instead of doing this: |
| 15:55.11 | _psychic_ | $bob = new Monkey; return $bob->likes($banana); |
| 15:55.12 | alphahawk | so a static I dont have to define a variable as a class. I can call the static function anywhere in the code |
| 15:55.21 | _psychic_ | you do |
| 15:55.34 | _psychic_ | return Monkey::likes($banana); |
| 15:55.48 | _psychic_ | static has to do with class functions |
| 15:55.54 | alphahawk | ahhh ok that makes sense now. |
| 15:55.56 | alphahawk | Thanks |
| 15:56.02 | _psychic_ | oh |
| 15:56.09 | _psychic_ | and you can't reference $this in static functions. |
| 15:56.57 | alphahawk | ok |
| 15:59.43 | alphahawk | functions inside a class work the same as a regular function? Meaning if I have a global variable I can still access it in the class function. |
| 16:00.09 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 16:00.09 | alphahawk | sorry for all the questions. Still kinda new to oop |
| 16:00.14 | _psychic_ | global is global |
| 16:00.23 | _psychic_ | you'll still have to preface it with the global keyword |
| 16:00.31 | _psychic_ | or reference a superglobal like you normally would |
| 16:01.30 | alphahawk | ok |
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| 17:01.46 | timothy_ | morning sucka's |
| 17:02.58 | alphahawk | in classes. when I define something like var $user and then in a function in the class I do a $this->$user=$monkey I never get $user set to monkey |
| 17:03.49 | timothy_ | take off the $ from user |
| 17:03.57 | timothy_ | $this->user=$monkey; |
| 17:04.12 | alphahawk | ok |
| 18:04.17 | burnin | macnewbold: did you receive my e-mail? |
| 18:04.36 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 18:04.41 | macnewbold | haven't had a ton of time to go through it all yet |
| 18:04.47 | macnewbold | but had some questions for you |
| 18:04.49 | burnin | k, np |
| 18:04.57 | macnewbold | do you want them here or in email? |
| 18:05.13 | burnin | either will work |
| 18:05.30 | macnewbold | k, it might be easier to reply to the email, so I'll do that |
| 18:05.37 | macnewbold | if you want to answer here (or not at all :) ) that's fine |
| 18:09.11 | macnewbold | k, sent |
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| 18:39.51 | burnin | macnewbold: response sent |
| 18:40.24 | burnin | macnewbold: if you want to see what I believe is an interesting example of what the project currently can do I can walk you through a running example. |
| 18:40.31 | burnin | macnewbold: if you have a minute :) |
| 18:40.47 | burnin | my lunch break is almost over |
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| 18:54.10 | macnewbold | burnin: just replid again |
| 18:54.25 | macnewbold | yeah, a walk through might help |
| 18:54.31 | macnewbold | there's just a few fundamental things I'm not getting |
| 18:54.51 | burnin | http://66.219.228.11/~phpgirder/ejournal |
| 18:55.11 | burnin | it is the girder framework with a simple encrypted journal module installed. |
| 18:55.23 | burnin | you can login as guest/guest |
| 18:55.47 | macnewbold | (I've gone through quite a lot of training in terms of spotting security weaknesses, and worked with some great experts, so I'm always a bit skeptical with new security stuff.) |
| 18:55.48 | macnewbold | k |
| 18:56.07 | burnin | select Edit Journal from the menu to create a new journal entry |
| 18:56.47 | macnewbold | ah |
| 18:57.01 | macnewbold | okay, so the user of the system is expected to put in keys/passphrases all over the place |
| 18:57.05 | burnin | since this is your first time you wont have a x509 key set so the first thing to do is scroll down and click on the Generate Phrase button, then click on the Generate Key button. |
| 18:57.39 | burnin | no only this ejournal example requires entering the entire key. |
| 18:57.41 | macnewbold | k, generated a phrase then a key |
| 18:57.46 | burnin | but that is an interesting idea |
| 18:57.58 | macnewbold | I'm not getting how you bootstrap |
| 18:58.12 | burnin | ok, now that you have a key set enter a title for your journal entry and enter some text for the journal. |
| 18:58.14 | macnewbold | the web server needs access to the decryption keys and passphrases |
| 18:59.03 | burnin | we'll probably have to go through the code to understand how the keys are saved and accessed. |
| 18:59.21 | burnin | once you have your journal entry done click on Save Entry |
| 18:59.33 | macnewbold | okay |
| 18:59.33 | macnewbold | done |
| 18:59.35 | macnewbold | then I hit cancel, |
| 18:59.36 | burnin | it should return to the same page but it will say it successfully saved the entry. |
| 18:59.37 | macnewbold | read entry |
| 18:59.39 | macnewbold | paste in my key |
| 18:59.44 | macnewbold | then click on my entry |
| 18:59.45 | burnin | yep, paste in your key |
| 18:59.48 | macnewbold | and it pulls it up |
| 18:59.48 | burnin | yes |
| 19:00.07 | macnewbold | okay, so that works - the user manages the keys/phrases in this example |
| 19:00.10 | burnin | ejournal is just a simple example of an add on module I slapped together. |
| 19:00.48 | burnin | I have an example of just girder running as well at http://66.219.228.11/~phpgirder/girder |
| 19:00.59 | burnin | and again you can login as guest/guest |
| 19:01.10 | burnin | or login as admin/admin to get a more interesting view |
| 19:01.29 | burnin | that site is girder running without any add on modules, just the bare framework. |
| 19:01.51 | macnewbold | right |
| 19:01.52 | macnewbold | okay |
| 19:02.06 | macnewbold | so I have to enter my Owner username/password every time |
| 19:02.09 | macnewbold | I want to do something? |
| 19:02.23 | Utah_Dave | burnin: did you write phpgirder? |
| 19:02.26 | burnin | only if you do something like add a user, delete a user |
| 19:02.30 | burnin | Utah_Dave: yes |
| 19:02.52 | burnin | Utah_Dave: http://phpgirder.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:03.58 | burnin | macnewbold: an authorized user can use the permissions of the authorized database user which is capable of updating records in the user tables, but that's it. |
| 19:04.20 | macnewbold | ah, records in the _user_ table only |
| 19:04.26 | burnin | to do anything serious like deleting stuff requires the owner username and password which is no where to be found. :) |
| 19:04.57 | macnewbold | so how does phpgirder decrypt all the other entries? Where does it get the original passphrase/key? |
| 19:04.59 | burnin | a user who is only active has up to the active database username and password but that user can only do selects. |
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| 19:06.13 | burnin | during the install and setup process you create an admin user, that user's password is used to create passphrase protected keys that encrypt all the database usernames and passwords. |
| 19:06.33 | burnin | then the admin propagates the database usernames and keys to other users as he creates them. |
| 19:07.00 | burnin | those users get their own set of passphrase protected keys that they then use to encrypt the database usernames and passwords they are given. |
| 19:07.34 | macnewbold | okay, I'm not explaining myself very well |
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| 19:07.37 | burnin | I should put together a better explanation on the website. :) |
| 19:07.51 | macnewbold | there's a read-only db user who's credentials are stored in a text file, right? |
| 19:08.05 | macnewbold | then the write-access user info is stored encrypted in the database |
| 19:08.13 | burnin | yes, the login database user, only has select access to the users table. |
| 19:09.08 | burnin | the active database user, who has select permission on all tables, is encrypted and stored in the users table. |
| 19:09.24 | macnewbold | how does phpgirder decrypt those to do write operations on the database? |
| 19:10.30 | macnewbold | say I want to write an online store system using phpgirder |
| 19:10.56 | burnin | the encrypted database username and password are stored along with the passphrase protected ssl keys. when a user logs in with their password it is used to unlock the ssl keys and the keys are then used to decrypt the database username and password. |
| 19:10.59 | timothy_ | question guys: is there an easy way to write a new file? I'm using fopen and the functions that go along with it for editing the existing files. |
| 19:11.16 | macnewbold | I've got to be able to save orders, so i need to be able to write them into the database |
| 19:11.25 | timothy_ | but those functions seem to be contingent on a file existing already |
| 19:11.35 | macnewbold | if I'm a new customer, buying something for the first time, how does it save my order? |
| 19:11.58 | macnewbold | timothy_: you can use fopen to give it a mode that requests creating the file if necessary |
| 19:12.05 | macnewbold | or to refuse to create one |
| 19:12.15 | macnewbold | see the "r", "w","a" etc. flags |
| 19:12.29 | macnewbold | (brb, got to run an errand real quick) |
| 19:13.07 | burnin | ah yes, the idea is to continue with the multiple database users when adding on modules to the girder framework, so if you are creating a shopping module you would have database tables and a database user, that database user would have the insert permissions |
| 19:13.24 | burnin | macnewbold: ok, we can talk later, I have to head back to work too :) |
| 19:13.27 | timothy_ | thanks mac |
| 19:13.30 | burnin | later |
| 19:22.00 | burnin | macnewbold: before I walk out the door, the ejournal module does inserts for the journal entries so it may be a good starting point for an explanation. I appreciate you taking the time to take a look and talk, its helping me think through how to write an explanation. :) |
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| 21:02.16 | bigdog_ut | anyone have a list of web safe colors?...in a file or something |
| 21:02.38 | bigdog_ut | im just looking for a list of rgb on the 216 colors |
| 21:04.39 | bigdog_ut | i got it |
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| 21:10.56 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: why do you need web safe colors? nobody uses 256-bit displays any more |
| 21:11.11 | bigdog_ut | places colors on a map |
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| 21:18.09 | Utah_Dave | bigdog_ut: I figured out how to add folders on the filesystem to my project in Eclipse. |
| 21:18.23 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 21:18.30 | Utah_Dave | I had to add a linked folder and then it worked just like I wanted it. The ftp thing was so slow |
| 21:18.47 | bigdog_ut | yeah linking the items is nice |
| 21:19.21 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it's working great. |
| 21:23.01 | bigdog_ut | Utah_Dave, how you liking eclipse overall? |
| 21:24.19 | macnewbold | placing colors on a map, like a geographical map? |
| 21:24.24 | macnewbold | you only need 4 colors for that |
| 21:24.37 | macnewbold | (and that's all they recommend for best comprehension) |
| 21:25.32 | macnewbold | oh, and the web safe colors are in your visibone laminated card collection, front page |
| 21:26.23 | bigdog_ut | they are colored points on a map to define locations of where something happened |
| 21:26.32 | bigdog_ut | so i need like 150 different colors |
| 21:27.49 | Utah_Dave | I'm liking elipse a lot. I still feel like there's some more functionality that I don't know how to access. But it's going well. Using the linked folder solved half my headaches |
| 21:29.07 | bigdog_ut | its a nice ide...tons of power |
| 21:39.31 | macnewbold | ah, okay. finding 150 that will all be easily distinguishable from one another will be another story though :) |
| 21:41.28 | timothy_ | I'm out guys - later |
| 21:43.37 | bigdog_ut | yeah that is what i am trying to do |
| 21:43.55 | drip | that sounds like fun. |
| 21:44.18 | bigdog_ut | it sucks...but it is alright |
| 21:44.27 | bigdog_ut | when im done it will be kinda cool |
| 21:45.20 | bigdog_ut | whatz funny is when they overlap each other |
| 21:45.37 | bigdog_ut | nice little color palette going on |
| 21:45.45 | drip | yeah, I bet that looks... precious. |
| 21:47.20 | bigdog_ut | like apple pie |
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