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| 13:55.09 | drip | ~wake bigdog_ut |
| 13:55.16 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on bigdog_ut and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 14:38.15 | bigdog_ut | morning drip |
| 14:40.20 | drip | gm |
| 15:05.20 | bigdog_ut | all is good in the neighborhood |
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| 16:03.43 | bigdog_ut | man very quiet today |
| 16:03.50 | bigdog_ut | ~seen mindjuju |
| 16:04.08 | jbot | mindjuju <n=Administ@65-121-75-195.dia.static.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 2d 23h 29m 1s ago, saying: ':)'. |
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| 16:56.31 | drip | been amazingly lart free since mindjuju hasn't been here. |
| 17:21.03 | Utah_Dave | yep |
| 17:23.52 | wps | isn't it nice? |
| 17:24.13 | wps | (lart-free… not not having him around) |
| 17:24.38 | cyco|w | so mean... |
| 17:25.07 | wps | perhaps that was not communicated clearly |
| 17:25.32 | wps | k |
| 17:25.35 | wps | :) |
| 17:25.36 | wps | ~lart rlarts |
| 17:25.48 | cyco|w | so wps, when do you become an english professor? |
| 17:25.55 | wps | eh? |
| 17:26.00 | cyco|w | joking again.. |
| 17:26.44 | drip | lol |
| 17:28.03 | cyco|w | your copious assertions are far to sagatious for my diminutive comprehension.. |
| 17:30.06 | cyco|w | yeah, pretty sure i spelled sagacious abhorrently.. |
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| 17:47.11 | macnewbold | yeah, not to mention that you meant "too"... ;) |
| 17:48.26 | cyco|w | ooh.. good point.. i missed that'n.. |
| 17:48.26 | macnewbold | btw, fungus: I've got a laminated card collection for you |
| 18:10.29 | fungus | cool, you going to the meeting tonight? |
| 18:10.48 | wps | what meeting? |
| 18:10.49 | fungus | err, next week. |
| 18:26.41 | burnin | so what tools does everyone use for the php development? |
| 18:26.55 | burnin | most of the time I just use vi, but lately I've been playing with quanta |
| 18:28.22 | burnin | the quanta editor is decent, you can edit your projects over an ssh connection to the web server, and it can do variable completion and show parameter requirements as your editing a line. |
| 18:29.51 | fungus | When I am really digging into a project I use Eclipse. The Team Synchronization is awesome. |
| 18:30.14 | fungus | Most day to day stuff I just use Emacs |
| 18:30.22 | burnin | is Eclipse java based? |
| 18:30.41 | drip | burnin: yes, Eclipse is java based. |
| 18:30.45 | fungus | yes, available on all platforms |
| 18:30.51 | burnin | nice |
| 18:31.28 | burnin | so how is the responsiveness of the Eclipse interface? sometimes the java widgets can slow down some VMs. |
| 18:31.54 | fungus | It takes forever to load, but once it loads, it is very responsive. Sometimes it feels almost native. |
| 18:32.44 | burnin | is there something like a php plugin/addon to make Eclipse recognize PHP code, or does is it just built in? |
| 18:33.00 | fungus | You have to install the PHPeclipse plugin |
| 18:33.28 | fungus | It takes a while to get used to eclipse. It isn't your mom's editor. |
| 18:33.35 | burnin | team synchro sounds interesting, so I assume multiple people can edit the same code simultaneously? |
| 18:34.00 | fungus | It is pretty much a really good interface to your CVS or SVN repositories. |
| 18:34.08 | burnin | yeah, I think I started to look at eclipse before quanta and it seems like it was going to take some time to learn. |
| 18:34.27 | fungus | It does commits, updates, diffs, compares, etc. all really easily. |
| 18:34.30 | burnin | ooh, a direct interface to CVS would be nice. :) |
| 18:34.58 | bigdog_ut | and there is the svn plugin that works good with team sync too |
| 18:35.02 | burnin | heh, just for the CVS stuff I'm going to look into Eclipse :) |
| 18:35.27 | fungus | It does have a WebDAV/FTP plugin, but I have never used it. |
| 18:35.53 | cyco|w | um, didn't you guys make a custom php eclipse? |
| 18:35.57 | fungus | oh, and just remember, bigdog_ut is the eclipse expert. |
| 18:36.05 | fungus | :) |
| 18:36.18 | bigdog_ut | and drip too |
| 18:36.52 | burnin | so this team sync, is it real time, you see what others are editing, or what? |
| 18:37.20 | bigdog_ut | team sync is used to sync your stuff with the team via cvs, eclipse and other repositories |
| 18:37.33 | bigdog_ut | like fungus mentioned webdav, ftp and other stuff |
| 18:37.47 | burnin | k |
| 18:38.39 | burnin | I'm a noob with CVS, I've been learning very basic usage with the sourceforge repo |
| 18:38.59 | burnin | I've made a few mistakes :O |
| 18:39.16 | burnin | and on sourceforge you have to request deletes, can't do them yourself. |
| 18:41.09 | wps | I'd skip CVS and learn SVN |
| 18:41.22 | wps | CVS is a dinosaur |
| 18:41.29 | Utah_Dave | bigdog_ut: how do you set up team sync to use ftp? I only have options for svn and cvs right now |
| 18:41.32 | bigdog_ut | burnin, you can use eclipse to learn svn or cvs |
| 18:42.15 | bigdog_ut | Utah_Dave, you have to have the plugin installed |
| 18:42.21 | bigdog_ut | which is the webdav/ftp plugin |
| 18:42.34 | bigdog_ut | install that and then i can help you |
| 18:43.02 | bigdog_ut | there was an sftp/ssh plugin but they are not maintaining it...eclipse might come out with one in a while |
| 18:43.13 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 18:43.35 | fungus | yeah, I tried a few sftp plugins, they were really hokey, and didn't work too well. |
| 18:43.37 | bigdog_ut | burnin, in your console you can have the commands displayed for svn, cvs and you can learn from that |
| 18:43.57 | bigdog_ut | you can set up a tunnel and then run it all through that too |
| 18:44.04 | burnin | that's cool, definitely going to give Eclipse another look. |
| 18:44.13 | drip | bigdog_ut: I got a call from Mike yesterday |
| 18:44.17 | burnin | I have it installed, just not sure if I have the PHP module. |
| 18:44.22 | bigdog_ut | drip, for? |
| 18:44.31 | bigdog_ut | come back to work? |
| 18:44.38 | bigdog_ut | i know that they are getting bill back |
| 18:45.01 | drip | bigdog_ut: they want me to.. but they didn't get any of those things they were trying for.. so they have $$ for 4 months. |
| 18:45.11 | drip | bill is starting back today. |
| 18:45.21 | bigdog_ut | getting what things? |
| 18:45.34 | drip | air |
| 18:45.45 | drip | adding stuff to 1.2.2 release |
| 18:45.47 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah...they have nothing jdog said |
| 18:46.09 | bigdog_ut | he says it is killer slow...they have nothing...he will be leaving too in a few |
| 18:46.12 | drip | and now they want to release 1.7 doehrs |
| 18:46.16 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 18:46.19 | bigdog_ut | that crap sucks |
| 18:46.24 | drip | but still haven't even gotten 1.6 up yet in dev env |
| 18:46.42 | bigdog_ut | lol, im suprised they have not called me |
| 18:46.49 | bigdog_ut | i doubt sus would want too |
| 18:46.59 | drip | they've called me like 3 times now for the same thing. |
| 18:47.09 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 18:47.12 | drip | she said they should have it up by now.. |
| 18:47.18 | drip | that is would only take a few hours.. |
| 18:47.26 | bigdog_ut | j said sus stiffed him his bonus |
| 18:47.28 | drip | and that our last times only took a couple of hours |
| 18:47.36 | drip | pfft |
| 18:47.47 | bigdog_ut | yeah, cause the dog aint on the trail |
| 18:47.54 | drip | ..and they wonder why we left |
| 18:47.56 | drip | lol |
| 18:48.20 | Utah_Dave | bigdog_ut: I'm having trouble finding the webdav/ftp plugin |
| 18:48.55 | bigdog_ut | one sec |
| 18:49.10 | bigdog_ut | Utah_Dave, is your eclipse up and running? |
| 18:49.29 | bigdog_ut | drip, yeah i think it all sucks and his going to get really bad when jason leaves |
| 18:49.47 | bigdog_ut | maybe i should call and offer my services...$160/hr |
| 18:50.09 | bigdog_ut | i could pay off my tv in like 1 week |
| 18:50.10 | Utah_Dave | well, I was hoping to find a download for it because I need to use it on our internal (not connected to the internet) network |
| 18:50.23 | bigdog_ut | is yoru eclipse up? |
| 18:50.27 | bigdog_ut | im going to tell you |
| 18:50.34 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 18:50.47 | bigdog_ut | help -> software updates |
| 18:51.00 | bigdog_ut | -> find and install |
| 18:51.23 | bigdog_ut | select search for new features -> next |
| 18:51.33 | bigdog_ut | select all check boxes |
| 18:51.45 | bigdog_ut | the click finish |
| 18:52.09 | Utah_Dave | almost there |
| 18:52.15 | bigdog_ut | after it downloads all the stuff then it will give you a window with all the new stuff |
| 18:52.43 | bigdog_ut | there should be a webdav/ftp plugin somewhere there |
| 18:53.10 | Utah_Dave | I'm getting errors about not finding "feature.xml" I'm using the UPHPU version you put out a while back. Should I use a stock version? |
| 18:53.26 | drip | that is a pretty old version. |
| 18:53.35 | drip | is that even 3.0? |
| 18:53.43 | Utah_Dave | 3.1.2, I think |
| 18:53.44 | bigdog_ut | yeah i think it is like 3.1 |
| 18:53.53 | bigdog_ut | yeah grab the new 3.2 version for your os |
| 18:54.27 | Utah_Dave | ok, I already have it. It's coming up right now |
| 18:54.53 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 18:55.15 | drip | wow.. tomcat was eating up almost a gig of my resources with only 2 small apps deployed in it. bad tomcat. |
| 18:55.25 | bigdog_ut | ~wipe tomcat |
| 18:55.33 | jbot | # dd if=/dev/zero of=tomcat |
| 18:55.54 | bigdog_ut | i have not been to impressed with tomcats deployment strategy for root applications |
| 18:55.57 | bigdog_ut | kinda sucks |
| 18:57.11 | drip | yeah |
| 18:58.47 | Utah_Dave | bigdog_ut: I followed your instructions above and don't see anything about webdav or ftp |
| 18:58.55 | drip | bigdog_ut: have you ever used xfire to expose web services? |
| 18:59.17 | bigdog_ut | no, but i have been looking at it with myeclipse |
| 18:59.52 | Utah_Dave | I wonder if I need to add another search site or something |
| 19:00.10 | bigdog_ut | i thought it was already added to the core |
| 19:00.23 | bigdog_ut | did you download the full eclipse sdk? |
| 19:00.47 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I think I did |
| 19:01.05 | Utah_Dave | eclipse-SDK-3.2-win32 |
| 19:01.27 | bigdog_ut | yeah that is the one...check and see if you have ftp support |
| 19:01.42 | bigdog_ut | go to file -> import |
| 19:01.52 | bigdog_ut | then type ftp |
| 19:01.59 | bigdog_ut | should show other -- ftp |
| 19:02.12 | Utah_Dave | oh, it does have ftp in the team synchronizing |
| 19:02.18 | Utah_Dave | I'm an idiot |
| 19:02.19 | bigdog_ut | there you go |
| 19:02.36 | bigdog_ut | if you check out the help section it will tell you how to use team sync and ftp |
| 19:02.37 | Utah_Dave | bigdog_ut: so can I just copy the whole eclipse folder to my other machine? |
| 19:02.45 | Utah_Dave | and run eclipse from there? |
| 19:02.48 | bigdog_ut | you can |
| 19:03.13 | Utah_Dave | ok, cool. |
| 19:03.56 | bigdog_ut | drip, are you guys looking at xfire for web services? |
| 19:04.13 | drip | Yeah, have implemented a couple of them using xfire |
| 19:04.27 | Utah_Dave | one other question. Is there a view to navigate the filesystem? My coworker uses Aptana for html/css stuff and he uses that all the time. I haven't been able to find that in the stock eclipse |
| 19:04.48 | drip | it's pretty slick for basic webservice deployment. |
| 19:04.50 | bigdog_ut | yeah it is called navigator |
| 19:05.04 | bigdog_ut | but it does not do the entire filesystem |
| 19:05.18 | bigdog_ut | cause eclipse is project based |
| 19:05.24 | bigdog_ut | everything needs a project |
| 19:05.57 | Utah_Dave | it's kind of a pain that way sometimes. |
| 19:06.20 | bigdog_ut | kinda |
| 19:06.34 | bigdog_ut | if its not in the project then you can just open an explorer window |
| 19:09.05 | drip | i keep forgetting to eat lunch. |
| 19:09.11 | drip | that's two days in a row now. |
| 19:10.33 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:10.41 | bigdog_ut | ~feed drip |
| 19:10.44 | jbot | ACTION offers drip some horseraddish |
| 19:10.59 | drip | Mmm.. goes well w/ the cookie I just ate. |
| 19:11.29 | bigdog_ut | yes it does |
| 19:11.37 | drip | have you gotten any of _'Reilly's Missing Manual books? |
| 19:12.19 | drip | s/_/O |
| 19:12.32 | bigdog_ut | not sure if i have |
| 19:12.36 | bigdog_ut | i dont think so |
| 19:13.02 | bigdog_ut | fungus, hit some pvp hard and got sarg in a week |
| 19:13.19 | bigdog_ut | got my sarg cloak and it is killer added +32 armour to it too |
| 19:13.37 | bigdog_ut | stone guard here i come |
| 19:14.08 | drip | does fungus in the same server as you? |
| 19:14.34 | bigdog_ut | no he is on another |
| 19:27.38 | bigdog_ut | drip you still using gentoo? |
| 19:30.12 | drip | yes |
| 19:30.19 | bigdog_ut | how you liking it? |
| 19:30.26 | drip | it's been good to me. |
| 19:30.56 | drip | i have gentoo, suse and fc5 installed on different boxes. |
| 19:30.59 | drip | this is my fav |
| 19:31.10 | bigdog_ut | gentoo? |
| 19:31.18 | drip | yeah |
| 19:31.33 | bigdog_ut | i like it alot |
| 19:31.40 | bigdog_ut | i have been using centos which is okay too |
| 19:32.06 | drip | going to redo my server at home |
| 19:32.37 | bigdog_ut | i need to do that...i might try hit debian up on my new server though |
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| 19:33.09 | cyco|w | did they make a lot of changes in FC5? |
| 19:33.31 | drip | first fc I've used so I can't say. |
| 19:33.39 | drip | just installed it a few days ago. |
| 19:33.44 | drip | and haven't spent much time in it yet. |
| 19:33.48 | cyco|w | ahh.. gotcha.. they run some FC4 and SLES 9 servers here.. |
| 19:34.12 | cyco|w | i installed the latest ubuntu on my workstation.. it's not too bad.. |
| 19:34.27 | cyco|w | (once i got both lcds to work properly) |
| 19:34.57 | drip | that's always fun. |
| 19:35.43 | cyco|w | it was all automatic almost with suse 9.3.. thus ubuntu was all manual config man.. |
| 19:36.12 | drip | yeah.. gentoo was a manual config for the lcd screens |
| 19:36.32 | bigdog_ut | but very easy to do |
| 19:36.43 | drip | yeah, didn't take long. |
| 19:37.20 | bigdog_ut | my new video card under gentoo rocks nice |
| 19:38.40 | drip | i haven't tried mine in linux yet. |
| 19:38.51 | drip | too much stuff going on to find time to dual boot it yet. |
| 19:39.07 | drip | and of course I had to test it out on my games. =) |
| 19:39.17 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 19:39.35 | drip | although I do wish I had a 64 bit op sys for my cpu |
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| 20:17.01 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
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| 20:47.26 | drip | i guess there's a big fire up in the layton foothills |
| 20:49.12 | synic | maybe this storm will go put it out. |
| 20:49.15 | Utah_Dave | is it raining up there right now? It's pouring down here in Lehi |
| 20:50.27 | drip | it's raining a little here at about 40th south |
| 20:50.34 | drip | don't know about up there. |
| 20:50.38 | drip | ask bigdog_ut |
| 20:52.12 | bigdog_ut | it is not raining and it is a raging fire |
| 20:55.46 | cyco|w | it's not raining at the mouth of big cottonwood.. |
| 21:00.05 | wps | raining in Orem |
| 21:00.07 | wps | thunder in Orem |
| 21:00.23 | cyco|w | yeah, sounds like it may start here any minute now.. |
| 21:00.55 | macnewbold | raining on Foothill |
| 21:00.57 | cyco|w | sadly, my office has no window.. (cause it's the reception desk that they don't use. lame!) |
| 21:00.59 | macnewbold | has been for a while |
| 21:01.12 | Utah_Dave | It's kind of tapered off in Lehi now |
| 21:01.21 | cyco|w | this is like the weather channel |
| 21:01.24 | macnewbold | the next person we hire will have a desk by a window... |
| 21:01.33 | macnewbold | ~weather kslc |
| 21:01.41 | cyco|w | sweet.. |
| 21:01.46 | cyco|w | you should hire me.. |
| 21:01.54 | macnewbold | sweet.. |
| 21:01.58 | macnewbold | you should send me a resume.. |
| 21:02.07 | cyco|w | sweet.. |
| 21:02.08 | cyco|w | alright |
| 21:02.13 | macnewbold | sweet.. |
| 21:02.17 | cyco|w | pdf alright? |
| 21:02.25 | macnewbold | we really are always looking for good people, in all seriousness |
| 21:02.29 | macnewbold | yeah, pdf is great |
| 21:02.34 | macnewbold | much better than a word doc |
| 21:02.42 | cyco|w | here here |
| 21:02.46 | macnewbold | that's almost enough to put someone out of the running right there... |
| 21:02.56 | macnewbold | you looking for part time or full time? |
| 21:03.15 | cyco|w | probably full time.. |
| 21:03.21 | macnewbold | cool |
| 21:03.28 | cyco|w | depends on the type of work mostly |
| 21:09.36 | macnewbold | php/mysql web dev |
| 21:09.49 | cyco|w | sweet.. |
| 21:09.50 | macnewbold | html/css, sometimes some js, ajax, etc. |
| 21:09.53 | cyco|w | that's what i want to do.. |
| 21:09.58 | cyco|w | learned it from synic |
| 21:19.45 | drip | have a good weekend everyone |
| 21:19.52 | cyco|w | latah |
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| 23:19.40 | cyco|w | alright.. one of the programmers here just asked me if i wanted to go to the .net users group meeting with him tonight.. |
| 23:20.33 | cyco|w | then he said it's on regular expression.. |
| 23:26.40 | synic | you should totally go |
| 23:26.52 | synic | besides all the .NET crap, regex is usually the same in every language |
| 23:28.00 | cyco|w | i was kinda thinking that.. |
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