| 00:00.05 | synic | which sucks because dual monitors is totally worth it. |
| 00:02.27 | cyco|w | so did we find the eclipse yet? |
| 00:03.01 | synic | http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20050623220028938 |
| 00:03.02 | cyco|w | nevermind.. i found it.. |
| 00:15.23 | cyco|w | ooh.. eclipse is pretty.. |
| 00:19.14 | synic | yeah, but all your ram are belong to it |
| 00:19.59 | cyco|w | i gots a couple gigs i think.. |
| 02:51.45 | mindjuju | yo bigdog_ut el_gaucho and any other nicks that mean bigdog_ut |
| 03:13.17 | macnewbold | oh noes, he's self-replicating! |
| 03:13.21 | macnewbold | ~fend off bigdog_ut |
| 03:15.22 | synic | cyco|w: you liking eclipse? |
| 04:06.01 | bigdog_ut | what? |
| 04:07.13 | bigdog_ut | eclipse rocks |
| 04:07.58 | macnewbold | Chuck Berry rocks da house |
| 04:08.14 | bigdog_ut | as does the BIGDOG!!! |
| 04:56.00 | macnewbold | the bigdog rocks the house whenever he walks... |
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| 06:13.25 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, you have hurt my feelings |
| 06:13.47 | bigdog_ut | ~fart macnewbold |
| 06:13.52 | jbot | ACTION farts in macnewbold's general direction |
| 06:13.53 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: check out www.gradefix.com |
| 06:13.53 | macnewbold | we just launched it |
| 06:14.35 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 06:14.39 | bigdog_ut | is it any good |
| 06:15.41 | bigdog_ut | i wish i could get my daughter to use it |
| 06:15.50 | bigdog_ut | lol she is always missing homework |
| 06:18.45 | bigdog_ut | synic, how is eclipse treating you? |
| 06:19.09 | synic | oh I dunno. Haven't used it much. I did just install it with pydev on my work machine, though |
| 06:19.17 | synic | I'll probably fiddle with it more tomorrow |
| 06:19.36 | bigdog_ut | let me know if you have any questions...i use it all the time and really like it |
| 06:19.57 | synic | actually, the only appeal for me is that it points out my stupid syntax errors. |
| 06:20.13 | synic | i'm almost sure I can get vim to do that too... |
| 06:20.35 | bigdog_ut | yeah it has some killer stuff to...the way it outlines projects, team development (cvs, subversion) and how you can automate tons of stuff |
| 06:20.57 | bigdog_ut | yeah vim is a great editor...eclipse is a great ide |
| 06:21.45 | synic | for some reason I've just never gotten into the whole IDE thing. I don't know why. I'm sure it would help me a lot... |
| 06:22.13 | bigdog_ut | yeah i use to think that until i started really using eclipse |
| 06:22.43 | bigdog_ut | its okay in a single dev environment...but really starts to rock when dealing with various projects and multiple developers |
| 06:22.55 | bigdog_ut | the svn plugin is really killer and some of the other tools |
| 06:23.22 | bigdog_ut | the only thing i found it cant really do is a great vim editor inside it |
| 06:23.28 | bigdog_ut | when it has that it will be killer |
| 06:23.30 | synic | have you seen project.vim ? |
| 06:23.36 | synic | http://synic.ath.cx/gvim.png |
| 06:24.05 | synic | or just: http://synic.ath.cx/vim.png |
| 06:24.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah ive used it |
| 06:27.19 | synic | so there isn't a vim keystrokes plugin for eclipse? |
| 06:28.33 | bigdog_ut | there is one but it is not very good...really does nothing |
| 06:28.52 | bigdog_ut | but (this is for mac) it does have great emac keystroke support |
| 06:29.06 | bigdog_ut | but i hate emac |
| 06:29.13 | bigdog_ut | so i just deal with it |
| 06:29.14 | synic | heh, I've never given it a try. |
| 06:29.32 | synic | only really actually started using vim recently |
| 06:29.34 | bigdog_ut | i guess it would be beneficial for me to learn |
| 06:30.02 | synic | been using it to edit configs and stuff for years, but only for the past three months have I been using as an actual code editor |
| 06:30.04 | bigdog_ut | i love vim..i use it all the time editing certain files |
| 06:30.05 | synic | and I'm totally hooked. |
| 06:32.40 | synic | ok... time to hit the sack. cya. |
| 07:05.13 | bigdog_ut | night all |
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| 15:22.34 | fungus | POP3 on saturn was down for about an hour |
| 15:22.42 | fungus | doh, wrong window |
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| 16:29.46 | _psychic_ | http://www.zend.com/store/education/certification/yellow-pages.php?cid=1&sid=UT&submit=search&orderby=ExamDate&form_name=Zend_VUE_Search_Form |
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| 17:04.57 | el_gaucho | ~wake mindjuju |
| 17:04.58 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 17:05.11 | jsmith | Just a barrel-full? |
| 17:39.43 | wps | nice ode to gifs |
| 17:39.44 | wps | http://www.myspace.com/gifshow |
| 17:40.33 | wps | be sure to turn your speakers up |
| 17:42.30 | _psychic_ | omg ponies |
| 18:23.35 | mindjuju | those gifs are pretty cool, but i dont' think it tops hampsterdance |
| 18:23.46 | mindjuju | el_gaucho, sup |
| 18:27.26 | el_gaucho | y |
| 18:31.41 | mindjuju | i'm surprised you ain't said nothin' on this mysql v postgresql war in the email |
| 18:32.10 | jsmith | There's a database war? |
| 18:32.13 | jsmith | Where? |
| 18:32.27 | mindjuju | in the UPHPU email list |
| 18:32.32 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 18:32.41 | mindjuju | you should see it, it's getting really good and personal |
| 18:33.11 | mindjuju | somebody just took lonnie / fungus arguments to town and wrote responses to his assertsions |
| 18:35.36 | mindjuju | hmmm... steve dibb just brought out some URLs about how pgsql is better than mysql |
| 18:35.40 | mindjuju | sounds pretty convincing |
| 18:37.04 | mindjuju | well, there's el_gaucho / bigdog_ut responding to a general db question |
| 18:39.34 | macnewbold | Roberto went off on PG's undeniable technical superiority, and why that should make it the right choice for everyone |
| 18:40.04 | macnewbold | basically saying there's no reason why a technically inferior product (mysql) should ever be the right choice for anyone, no matter what their circumstances or considerations |
| 18:40.35 | mindjuju | yeah, it was pretty high impact email though |
| 18:40.39 | fungus | Yeah, that one was totally lame, not even deserving of return fire. |
| 18:40.41 | macnewbold | I can tell you right now that MySQL is almost always going to be the right choice for me, because I'm far more familiar with it, and have servers that run it, etc, where I don't for PG |
| 18:40.51 | mindjuju | prolly could have said the thing he did less intensely |
| 18:41.01 | macnewbold | he's a good guy, but on that one he was way out in left field |
| 18:41.48 | mindjuju | on the other hand, a good and rowdy conversation gets the blood going |
| 18:42.52 | fungus | lol |
| 18:42.54 | mindjuju | that sure would be funny |
| 18:43.16 | fungus | I don't think it would get anywhere. No one would believe you. |
| 18:43.29 | mindjuju | yeah, but it sure would spark a heck of a conversation |
| 18:43.31 | el_gaucho | im not sure i got those emails |
| 18:43.57 | el_gaucho | or sqllite |
| 18:43.57 | mindjuju | el_gaucho, send me your email addy, i'll forward you the digest |
| 18:44.00 | el_gaucho | sqlite |
| 18:44.08 | el_gaucho | is it off the uphpu? |
| 18:44.12 | fungus | yup |
| 18:44.14 | mindjuju | yup, off uphpu |
| 18:44.26 | el_gaucho | ~smack wps |
| 18:44.28 | jbot | ACTION smacks wps upside the head. |
| 18:44.32 | fungus | Suggest sqlite as a replacement for PgSQL to Roberto |
| 18:44.34 | el_gaucho | wps am i off the list |
| 18:44.36 | fungus | :) |
| 18:44.39 | el_gaucho | lol |
| 18:44.45 | el_gaucho | or derby or berkley |
| 18:44.54 | fungus | oh yeah, berkley, even better. |
| 18:45.22 | wps | you're not receiving UPHPU list emails? |
| 18:45.33 | macnewbold | oh boy |
| 18:45.44 | el_gaucho | nope |
| 18:45.57 | wps | then sign up |
| 18:46.03 | el_gaucho | i am |
| 18:46.05 | macnewbold | s/perfect for/perfect for fending off/ |
| 18:46.06 | wps | :) |
| 18:46.06 | el_gaucho | that is the issue |
| 18:46.11 | wps | just kidding |
| 18:46.13 | wps | what address? |
| 18:46.17 | macnewbold | ~wake jbot |
| 18:46.18 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on jbot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 18:46.40 | el_gaucho | someone is about to get a punch via tcp/ip |
| 18:46.52 | macnewbold | hawaiian puch? |
| 18:46.58 | wps | hmm… you are subscribed |
| 18:47.04 | wps | I don't see any reason you would not receive them |
| 18:47.12 | el_gaucho | not sure |
| 18:47.32 | el_gaucho | which email list are we using? |
| 18:47.42 | el_gaucho | i guess i can look on the site |
| 18:47.58 | wps | uphpu@uphpu.org |
| 18:49.28 | el_gaucho | oh that is the stupid utah mysql user group thread |
| 18:49.33 | el_gaucho | i deleted that one |
| 18:49.48 | wps | huh? |
| 18:50.07 | el_gaucho | i didnt even read them |
| 18:50.21 | el_gaucho | we had that same dicussion about a year ago |
| 18:52.03 | mindjuju | way cool! I'm going to throw in some crap about how MS SQL is the database of the future, el_gaucho is going to write about pgsql, this will really get the emails flowing! |
| 18:52.33 | el_gaucho | i dont knock mysql cause it is good for somethings |
| 18:52.38 | fungus | and I'll respond w/ MySQL fanboism |
| 18:52.41 | el_gaucho | lightweight, fast, simple to use |
| 18:53.06 | el_gaucho | pgsql allows for additional functionality |
| 18:53.08 | el_gaucho | if you need it great if not then use mysql or sqlite |
| 18:53.25 | el_gaucho | if you want embedded db - derby is really good or berkley |
| 18:53.26 | fungus | el_gaucho: I agree that mysql and pgsql are good for their own things. That is what I explained in my first response. |
| 18:53.59 | fungus | sqlite can do embedded too. |
| 18:54.01 | el_gaucho | it is the age old freebsd vs. linux, vim vs. emac, mysql vs. pgsql |
| 18:54.16 | el_gaucho | syndrome |
| 18:54.32 | fungus | Yup, recycled fanboi flame war. but they sure are fun. :) |
| 18:54.45 | el_gaucho | and for those with no brains there is ms sql |
| 18:55.02 | mindjuju | yeah, i saw that |
| 18:55.09 | mindjuju | wait til you see my email |
| 18:55.16 | el_gaucho | fungus, yes they are indeed, especially when they take it to heart |
| 18:55.54 | el_gaucho | thats like _psy_[soccer] telling me that php can handle o/r mappings with objects...i dont buy it...but he does |
| 18:56.38 | el_gaucho | is roberto on the channel |
| 18:58.17 | fungus | I don't think so, but he might be in #utah |
| 18:58.48 | fungus | php can do o/r mapping... in a back-asswards way, but it can. |
| 19:05.39 | mindjuju | in order to send to the list, you have to be on the list, don't you? |
| 19:09.08 | _psychic_ | ~dhit el_gaucho |
| 19:09.09 | jbot | ACTION manages to land Gentoo Install Time on el_gaucho, freezing him for days |
| 19:11.02 | _psychic_ | ~lart el_gaucho |
| 19:12.48 | el_gaucho | welcome back _psychic_ |
| 19:13.35 | _psychic_ | howdy |
| 19:25.23 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:28.30 | el_gaucho | thanks mindjuju |
| 19:28.34 | el_gaucho | nice email |
| 19:30.24 | mindjuju | did you see it? |
| 19:30.40 | mindjuju | wait, i mean, that wasn't me |
| 19:30.44 | mindjuju | must have been somebody else |
| 19:30.47 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:35.15 | mindjuju | did you see that email just come through about pradox? |
| 19:37.39 | el_gaucho | now who sent that one |
| 19:37.49 | el_gaucho | i have always been a big firebird fan too |
| 19:38.00 | mindjuju | john anderson? |
| 19:40.10 | el_gaucho | im all about the flatfile dbs...i love xml bloated dbs the best...they rock...queries with xpath..who cant do those |
| 19:42.00 | _psychic_ | Its usually good if you can write a simple Assembly program that listens on a socket to do database queries on a flat file (serialized object) database on your iPod that you've mounted via wifi. |
| 19:42.15 | _psychic_ | Then do ORM |
| 19:42.20 | _psychic_ | with Java *of course* |
| 19:42.50 | el_gaucho | let us not forget the php convertor for ui presentation |
| 19:43.00 | el_gaucho | and wps wacky ideas of css functionality |
| 19:43.18 | _psychic_ | dude the front end is easily done in PIC-Basic |
| 19:43.24 | wps | eh? |
| 19:43.33 | el_gaucho | lol |
| 19:43.52 | el_gaucho | or we can store all that in the db...pseudo-oracle-forms |
| 19:44.04 | el_gaucho | alias for oracle-cartridge |
| 19:44.53 | _psychic_ | lol Scott Hill took the bait |
| 19:46.35 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 19:46.43 | _psychic_ | who's Ray? |
| 19:46.53 | el_gaucho | some ahole |
| 19:46.54 | wps | you've been chatting with him |
| 19:47.08 | _psychic_ | we paradox fans have to stick together |
| 19:47.17 | _psychic_ | an elite few in the midst of lackeys |
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| 19:57.24 | _psy_awa | I dare ya |
| 19:57.46 | _psy_awa | 'aint no one that can bring down the Paradox, baby |
| 19:59.53 | _psychic_ | the only way to kill a flame war is to start one that's more absurd :) |
| 20:39.47 | _psychic_ | another one takes the bait |
| 20:46.14 | _psychic_ | is Jon Jensen in here? |
| 21:06.46 | macnewbold | someone invoke Godwin's law... |
| 21:12.59 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: ? |
| 21:13.10 | macnewbold | try wikipedia... :) |
| 21:13.23 | macnewbold | it's got to do with flame wars |
| 21:13.51 | macnewbold | we need someone (bandito.masked?) to compare PGSQL to something related to Hitler or Nazis, and then it's all over |
| 21:16.12 | _psychic_ | I think maybe the masked bandit is an acquaintance of mindjuju |
| 21:17.09 | macnewbold | kinsman I think |
| 21:17.30 | _psychic_ | ~bdhit mindjuju |
| 21:17.36 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at mindjuju's pain |
| 21:20.18 | mindjuju | uh, we aren't really related, it's just that when ever I seem to leave the room, the masked.bandit always appears |
| 21:20.33 | mindjuju | me brb |
| 21:20.39 | _psychic_ | coincedentally, of course |
| 21:20.56 | masked | ta da! |
| 21:21.24 | _psychic_ | lol |
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