| 00:08.48 | macnewbold | devhen: if you don't mind a commute, we don't mind someone who lives in the wrong valley... ;) |
| 00:09.21 | devhen | what type of web sites are you guys working on? |
| 00:13.11 | macnewbold | www.codegreene.com/portfolio.php |
| 00:13.23 | macnewbold | mostly larger ones, but some small stuff too |
| 00:13.28 | macnewbold | almost all of them have some programming |
| 00:16.23 | devhen | not bad |
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| 03:00.15 | Utah_Dave | has anyone used PHPeclipse lately? |
| 03:03.52 | macnewbold | not I |
| 03:06.12 | Utah_Dave | I'm giving it another try. |
| 03:06.23 | Utah_Dave | I'm just getting it set up right now. |
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| 14:39.17 | el_gaucho | i use it all the time |
| 14:40.36 | Utah_Dave | el_gaucho: are you talking about phpeclipse? |
| 14:40.48 | el_gaucho | ye[ |
| 14:40.50 | el_gaucho | yep |
| 14:42.36 | Utah_Dave | I started getting it installed last night. I'm going to finish it today and go through their tutorials. I'm interested in the debugging |
| 14:44.48 | el_gaucho | cool |
| 15:08.27 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 15:10.59 | mindjuju | el_gaucho, you around? |
| 15:12.26 | mindjuju | anybody running a web based admin for postfix? |
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| 15:28.58 | el_gaucho | yes |
| 15:29.03 | el_gaucho | postfixadmin |
| 15:29.09 | el_gaucho | nice utility |
| 15:29.29 | mindjuju | k, that's the one i just downloaded and installing |
| 15:29.35 | el_gaucho | u use a db behind it like mysql/pgsql and then you do virtual mailboxes and domains with it |
| 15:29.37 | mindjuju | just making sure it was good |
| 15:29.46 | mindjuju | yup mysql |
| 15:29.56 | el_gaucho | it is pretty good to use |
| 15:30.27 | el_gaucho | had some issues last night with it and the sasl auth against it...so i can help you with that if you run into issue |
| 15:30.30 | el_gaucho | isssues |
| 15:30.50 | mindjuju | sounds good. |
| 15:30.55 | mindjuju | thx |
| 15:31.03 | el_gaucho | np |
| 15:31.23 | el_gaucho | if timothy ever pops his head in ask him how he likes it...i set it up for him |
| 15:53.30 | _psychic_ | what's everyone using for XML parsing? |
| 15:55.15 | macnewbold | the only thing I've used, besides regular expressions for rudimentary tasks, is the XML parsing stuff in php4 |
| 15:55.23 | macnewbold | it's not great, but it works if you know what you're looking for |
| 15:56.44 | _psychic_ | what stuff? |
| 15:57.10 | _psychic_ | http://us2.php.net/xml |
| 15:57.12 | _psychic_ | I guess |
| 15:57.57 | macnewbold | http://us2.php.net/xml |
| 15:58.04 | macnewbold | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.xml-parse-into-struct.php |
| 15:58.11 | macnewbold | into a struct was what I used |
| 15:58.55 | el_gaucho | i use a couple different type of parsers what are you looking for? |
| 16:02.07 | _psychic_ | fast |
| 16:02.08 | _psychic_ | easy |
| 16:02.11 | _psychic_ | elegant |
| 16:02.22 | _psychic_ | makes doughnuts |
| 16:02.27 | _psychic_ | plays mp3s |
| 16:02.38 | _psychic_ | and nintendo games |
| 16:02.44 | _psychic_ | dispenses cash |
| 16:02.47 | el_gaucho | eclipse |
| 16:02.48 | _psychic_ | ... the usual.... |
| 16:03.51 | el_gaucho | what lang do you want to use? |
| 16:04.08 | _psychic_ | php |
| 16:04.15 | el_gaucho | then you have only 2 options |
| 16:04.23 | _psychic_ | wow only 2 |
| 16:04.32 | el_gaucho | expat (php4) and xml2 (php5) |
| 16:04.54 | el_gaucho | and you have the domxml |
| 16:05.01 | el_gaucho | with both |
| 17:00.51 | Utah_Dave | CSS question |
| 17:01.10 | Utah_Dave | I want all h1's to be a certain font within the #document div |
| 17:01.32 | Utah_Dave | in the css it's #document h1 {bla bla } is that correct? |
| 17:01.36 | _psychic_ | #document h1 {font-family..... |
| 17:02.34 | Utah_Dave | ok. Thanks, _psychic_ |
| 17:02.43 | _psychic_ | np |
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| 18:25.15 | mindjuju | wow, 2 flame wars in one month? IE7 and now postgreSQL v mySQL |
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| 18:26.03 | fungus | nah, that was no flame war, that was quite mild (relatively) |
| 18:26.27 | mindjuju | yeah, sadly i get the digest so i'm never right on the topic, but a day late |
| 18:26.48 | fungus | ahh, yes digests are annoying. |
| 18:27.38 | mindjuju | wait? oracle bought mysql? |
| 18:27.42 | mindjuju | when did this happen? |
| 18:28.32 | fungus | They bought the storage engines, not the company itself. |
| 18:30.29 | mindjuju | way to go macnewbold with an article |
| 18:32.50 | mindjuju | yup sql server 2k is not feature rich |
| 18:34.41 | fungus | yeah, I had to touch MSSQL once and about went into a coma. |
| 18:42.30 | el_gaucho | mindjuju, pgsql all the way |
| 18:43.05 | el_gaucho | ~lart mysql |
| 18:54.50 | mindjuju | ah, nothing like having extensive email archives. somebody in my company just tried to pull a fast one. had to lay the smack down by quoting the date / time of an email of his that proves he's lying. |
| 18:55.19 | el_gaucho | sounds like a smack down on fungus |
| 18:56.24 | mindjuju | from the other day? |
| 18:56.37 | el_gaucho | oh yeah |
| 18:57.00 | el_gaucho | he needed that smack down...sometimes he gets a little cocky |
| 18:57.13 | el_gaucho | i think it is the freebsd that does it too him |
| 18:57.32 | el_gaucho | gentoo makes you calm...collective...patient...to many emerges |
| 18:58.36 | fungus | lol |
| 18:58.46 | mindjuju | while freebsd does have that icon, i didn't think freebsd was worthy of that chick that dresses up |
| 18:59.01 | el_gaucho | lol |
| 19:02.02 | el_gaucho | funny thing i got in trouble at work for having the freebsd image on my background |
| 19:02.46 | mindjuju | i'm guessing it was the chick background? |
| 19:11.05 | mindjuju | to bad MS doesn't have a cool icon. all we ever got was some dude dressed up as a butterfly |
| 19:11.54 | mindjuju | a that frickin' paperclip thing in MS office |
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| 19:25.18 | mindjuju | sup macnewbold |
| 19:39.42 | macnewbold | sup |
| 19:52.35 | el_gaucho | it was this one -> http://i.iinfo.cz/r/photos/freebsd/devil_penguin.jpg |
| 19:52.57 | fungus | lol, I like that one. |
| 19:53.14 | el_gaucho | it is great...i took it and made it a killer background |
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| 20:02.38 | Utah_Dave | :) |
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| 20:03.42 | macnewbold | my xmms just switched from Vivaldi's Spring from the 4 seasons (first movement) to Simon and Garfunkel's sound of silence |
| 20:09.31 | macnewbold | now playing: Paul Simon - Under African Skies |
| 20:12.43 | macnewbold | ~whaleslap mindjuju |
| 20:12.45 | jbot | ACTION beats mindjuju upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:12.46 | macnewbold | paul simon rocks |
| 20:12.53 | macnewbold | but now we're on to abba: Dancing Queen |
| 20:13.05 | macnewbold | one of sweden's best exports, I must say :) |
| 20:13.13 | macnewbold | way better than Ace of Bass |
| 20:13.13 | _psychic_ | I like Ladysmith Black Mambazo better than Paul Simon now. :) |
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| 20:30.58 | synic | mindjuju: are you a fan of the Timo Maas? |
| 20:34.21 | mindjuju | nope |
| 20:35.25 | mindjuju | and that better not be that ranchera-hip hop monstrosity |
| 20:36.05 | mindjuju | cause that's just sick and wrong |
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| 20:58.49 | mindjuju | _psychic_ what up with your router? |
| 20:59.06 | _psychic_ | keep losing my lease from the router |
| 20:59.11 | _psychic_ | and the wireless here is unreliable |
| 20:59.41 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 21:03.00 | synic | mindjuju: hehe, no... he's a techno artist. |
| 22:21.44 | mindjuju | yo, el_gaucho |
| 22:22.12 | el_gaucho | yep |
| 22:22.53 | mindjuju | i'm not finding anything on a command that allows me to see what postfix is doing. like a little console showing a client logging in to send an email |
| 22:23.32 | el_gaucho | mindjuju, you have to do a couple things |
| 22:23.49 | el_gaucho | you need to edit postfix/main.cf file and add a -v after smtpd |
| 22:24.04 | el_gaucho | sorry that is master.cf |
| 22:24.23 | el_gaucho | then edit main.cf and find a debug level and set it to like 5 |
| 22:24.28 | el_gaucho | restart postfix |
| 22:24.38 | el_gaucho | tail -f <postfix> log file |
| 22:24.45 | el_gaucho | and you will see stuff fly by |
| 22:24.57 | mindjuju | k, cool |
| 22:24.58 | mindjuju | tx |
| 22:26.21 | el_gaucho | did that make sense im good friend |
| 22:26.42 | mindjuju | i'm looking for the files now |
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| 23:38.01 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 23:41.10 | cyco|w | maybe |
| 23:44.15 | fungus | Barely |
| 23:45.24 | mindjuju | i'm reading a couple of sites talking about security |
| 23:45.43 | mindjuju | every one of them is advising against a GUI on ubuntu though they are short on the details as to why |
| 23:45.45 | mindjuju | any ideas? |
| 23:45.56 | fungus | GUI on a server? |
| 23:46.03 | mindjuju | yup |
| 23:46.20 | fungus | The general idea is that the more you have on the server, the more can go wrong. |
| 23:46.36 | fungus | IE Xorg exploits and such. |
| 23:46.46 | synic | cyco|w: did you try that eclipse build? |
| 23:47.14 | fungus | I would leave the GUI stuff off. |
| 23:47.25 | mindjuju | fungus: that's the only point i got out of it. I can see the argument, the more software loaded, the wider the exploit windo |
| 23:47.28 | mindjuju | w |
| 23:47.36 | fungus | If you don't just make sure every service running is securely locked down. |
| 23:47.37 | mindjuju | k, thx for the info fungus! |
| 23:48.29 | fungus | That is a good thought anyway. Every service running should be locked down as much as possible. |
| 23:48.48 | fungus | Especially those with open UDP/TCP ports. |
| 23:50.07 | fungus | I am gonna start pedaling home, C-U L8R |
| 23:50.14 | cyco|w | i generally don't even install any desktop envronment on a [linux] server.. i usually end up using suse though cause i like how yast2 works the same in the console.. |
| 23:50.43 | synic | you and your suse. |
| 23:50.44 | synic | weirdo. |
| 23:51.12 | cyco|w | hey, so where is that eclipse build anyway? |
| 23:51.47 | synic | bigdog_ut: ? |
| 23:53.26 | cyco|w | you no likey suse synic? |
| 23:53.39 | synic | no, it's not my fav |
| 23:54.11 | cyco|w | i've been using this new ubuntu for a week now and it's not bad.. especially since i got the dual monitors set up on it.. |
| 23:54.51 | synic | are you just using twinview? |
| 23:55.06 | cyco|w | well yes.. but it's nice.. |
| 23:55.37 | synic | what video card are you using? |
| 23:55.49 | cyco|w | it's just some GeForce 4 MX420 or 440 that was in this computer they had here.. |
| 23:57.56 | cyco|w | http://www.rememberthemilk.com/ <-- sweet man! |
| 23:58.46 | synic | cyco|w: I have a 5700 and twinview just swamps the performance for some reason |
