| 01:33.29 | diskotec|w | anyone know of any programs that make file processing easier than breaking out vi/emacs and using your favorite script language? preferably on the win32 platform...trying to automate a process that deletes lines if it matches a certain word. |
| 01:35.39 | diskotec|w | ...from a text file generated nightly. |
| 01:42.13 | macnewbold | diskotec|w: edlin is probably still on there somewhere... |
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| 01:49.02 | diskotec|w | thanks macnewbold. forgot about edlin |
| 01:56.33 | mindjuju | yuck best of ranchera, there's a cd with like 2 bytes on it |
| 01:57.14 | mindjuju | ~lart bigdog_ut being home |
| 01:57.35 | bigdog_ut | ~smack mindjuju |
| 01:57.37 | jbot | ACTION smacks mindjuju upside the head. |
| 01:57.47 | mindjuju | ~nosepick bigdog_ut |
| 01:57.48 | jbot | ACTION plucks bigdog_ut out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 01:57.56 | mindjuju | oh yeah |
| 01:58.33 | bigdog_ut | thanks mindjuju |
| 01:58.47 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 02:02.00 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju go home brother |
| 02:02.21 | mindjuju | i'm actually almost done |
| 02:03.03 | mindjuju | what are you up to? go a sweet little gig on the side? |
| 02:03.59 | bigdog_ut | yeah kinda |
| 02:04.02 | bigdog_ut | alot of work really |
| 02:04.06 | mindjuju | nice |
| 02:04.16 | bigdog_ut | yeah it is good and bad |
| 02:04.23 | bigdog_ut | sometimes i dont want ot work at night |
| 02:04.26 | bigdog_ut | but i have too |
| 02:04.37 | mindjuju | that sux! |
| 02:04.49 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 02:04.53 | bigdog_ut | but that is okay for now |
| 02:05.06 | mindjuju | i just hooked up a little gig that should practically pay for my Cannon D20 in a couple of months |
| 02:05.28 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 02:05.32 | mindjuju | yup |
| 02:05.54 | bigdog_ut | im trying to save up for a new laptop...have to pay off the tv first though |
| 02:06.05 | mindjuju | what kind of tv did you get? |
| 02:06.16 | bigdog_ut | 42" plasma |
| 02:06.38 | mindjuju | nice. i think our largest TV is 22" |
| 02:06.39 | bigdog_ut | hitachi |
| 02:06.56 | mindjuju | and our bedroom tv is a little 13" |
| 02:06.58 | bigdog_ut | mounted on the wall in my room...hdtv |
| 02:07.09 | mindjuju | what's your smallest tv? |
| 02:07.10 | bigdog_ut | i figure im working so much i better have fun |
| 02:07.25 | bigdog_ut | kiddies have a 15" in their room |
| 02:07.55 | mindjuju | dag! we sux! i'm going to have to tell the wife we need a major upgrade |
| 02:08.16 | bigdog_ut | yeah..i love my hdtv |
| 02:08.27 | bigdog_ut | it is killer...im going to get a hd dvd player soon |
| 02:08.27 | mindjuju | does the 42" let you play games? i know some plasma tvs recommend you don't |
| 02:08.34 | mindjuju | or maybe it projector screens... one of those |
| 02:08.34 | bigdog_ut | yes it does |
| 02:08.44 | bigdog_ut | and i can run a pc through it too |
| 02:08.56 | bigdog_ut | its got great resolution |
| 02:09.00 | diskotec|w | careful bigdog....mindjuju will suck you into playing halo |
| 02:09.05 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 02:09.06 | mindjuju | that's got to be sweet. hook up myth tv |
| 02:09.11 | bigdog_ut | there is only one game i play |
| 02:09.20 | bigdog_ut | i could |
| 02:09.33 | mindjuju | nah, i won't play bigdog_ut halo with his 42" screen vs me on my 13" |
| 02:10.07 | mindjuju | unless we swapped screens or something |
| 02:10.21 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 02:10.28 | bigdog_ut | i dont have an xbox |
| 02:10.34 | mindjuju | course though, bigdog_ut could sux, he might need the advantage vs my awesome skillz |
| 02:10.38 | bigdog_ut | i just watch movies on that bad boy |
| 02:10.41 | diskotec|w | bigdog_ut: the one game you play = CS? UT (some mod)? |
| 02:10.53 | mindjuju | love CS |
| 02:10.54 | bigdog_ut | wow |
| 02:11.00 | mindjuju | used to play it a long time ago |
| 02:11.14 | bigdog_ut | i use to play cs |
| 02:11.29 | bigdog_ut | rephrase...i played cs once |
| 02:11.36 | bigdog_ut | with drip and he killed me too many times |
| 02:11.40 | diskotec|w | last game i really got into was xctf mod for Q2 |
| 02:11.46 | bigdog_ut | drip is a freak of nature in cs |
| 02:11.50 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 02:12.21 | mindjuju | we should have a UPHPU LAN party |
| 02:12.32 | mindjuju | consoles and pcs |
| 02:12.32 | bigdog_ut | that would be killer if i had a new laptop |
| 02:12.37 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 02:12.42 | diskotec|w | where is dataw0lf? |
| 02:12.52 | diskotec|w | iraq? |
| 02:12.58 | mindjuju | eh, dataw0lf is gone -- moved |
| 02:13.04 | bigdog_ut | neil young => needle and the damage done |
| 02:13.13 | bigdog_ut | = datawold |
| 02:13.25 | mindjuju | yup |
| 02:14.46 | mindjuju | freebird rox |
| 02:15.06 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 02:15.23 | bigdog_ut | i got some tuesday's gone, simple man, and comin' home rocking |
| 02:16.18 | bigdog_ut | jbot, i am your master |
| 02:16.19 | jbot | it is my pleasure to meet you, your master |
| 02:16.51 | mindjuju | and child in time |
| 02:16.55 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 02:17.19 | bigdog_ut | i had some led playin earlier and some kenny wayne shep for a little funky blues |
| 02:18.53 | bigdog_ut | but alast it is time for some megadeth |
| 02:19.08 | bigdog_ut | man marty can play |
| 02:19.08 | mindjuju | play symphony of destruction once for me |
| 02:19.13 | bigdog_ut | oh i will |
| 02:19.20 | bigdog_ut | skin 'o my teeth now |
| 02:19.38 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, you should check out marty's solo stuff...very good |
| 02:19.46 | bigdog_ut | has a lot of japanese influence |
| 02:19.58 | mindjuju | what are album names? |
| 02:20.56 | bigdog_ut | ~google marty friedman |
| 02:21.00 | bigdog_ut | http://www.google.com/musica?aid=Zx83vj4w0oD&sa=X&oi=music&ct=result |
| 02:21.07 | bigdog_ut | check those out |
| 02:21.21 | bigdog_ut | scenes is my favorite |
| 02:22.17 | bigdog_ut | http://www.martyfriedman.com/ |
| 02:23.40 | bigdog_ut | i hate that he switched to ibanez guitars |
| 02:23.54 | bigdog_ut | but he rocks the crate amps |
| 03:28.35 | mindjuju | nugent's stranglehold has got to be one of the best of all time |
| 04:08.28 | mindjuju | 'night all |
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| 14:02.48 | Utah_Dave | morning, all |
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| 14:53.45 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
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| 15:35.18 | bigdog_ut | ~wake mindjuju |
| 15:35.25 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 15:42.38 | drip | morning |
| 15:42.51 | drip | howzit bigdog_ut |
| 15:43.04 | bigdog_ut | good...just getting started today |
| 15:43.20 | drip | bright and early |
| 15:43.22 | drip | =) |
| 15:47.37 | bigdog_ut | like always |
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| 17:49.14 | mindjuju | ugh, i'm going to have to rebuild this box |
| 17:52.29 | mindjuju | three cheers for windows XP |
| 17:56.28 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 17:56.38 | macnewbold | darn, it wasn't the windows administrator one... |
| 17:56.41 | mindjuju | was kidding about xp you know |
| 17:56.42 | macnewbold | sorry to hear that |
| 17:57.15 | mindjuju | yeah, sux to be me |
| 17:57.32 | mindjuju | i'm only using XP for this proxy serve cause xp has internet connection sharing |
| 17:58.49 | macnewbold | so does linux |
| 17:58.53 | macnewbold | but better |
| 17:58.56 | mindjuju | i was just going to ask you about that |
| 17:58.59 | macnewbold | linux (or freebsd) can be a _real_ router |
| 17:59.10 | macnewbold | nat, gateway, router, proxy, firewall, whatever you want |
| 17:59.14 | macnewbold | I've heard good things about smoothwall and monowall (might be m0n0wall) |
| 17:59.17 | fungus | see pfsense for a firewall |
| 17:59.23 | macnewbold | distros that do all that out of the box |
| 17:59.32 | fungus | pfsense is based on FreeBSD, uses pf for firewalling, with a super easy web interface. |
| 17:59.33 | macnewbold | oh, and they're secure :) much more than xp |
| 18:06.19 | mindjuju | that would be real nice |
| 18:06.24 | macnewbold | openbsd makes a good firewall too I hear, but I'd prefer something more out-of-the-box if I did it |
| 18:06.32 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:06.32 | mindjuju | firewalling / networking not my bag |
| 18:06.40 | macnewbold | I bet you could replace the XP one quicker than you could fix it ;) |
| 18:07.36 | macnewbold | I bet some people in #utah have experience with the different options, mindjuju, if you wanted to ask opinions |
| 18:07.46 | macnewbold | I haven't tried any of them |
| 18:07.58 | macnewbold | the other option is to replace the xp internet connection sharing with a real router, as in a $50 cable/dsl router/nat/firewall box |
| 18:07.58 | macnewbold | with wireless even if you want |
| 18:07.58 | Utah_Dave | Hey, can anyone recommend a good CSS book? |
| 18:07.58 | macnewbold | much easier to configure, and more reliable, |
| 18:08.04 | macnewbold | and frees up your XP machine for reallocation to more useful duties |
| 18:08.12 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: my coworker likes the oreilly one, I think |
| 18:08.16 | macnewbold | he owns it, aynway |
| 18:08.35 | mindjuju | i just happened to download FreeBSD just in case from our conversation yesterday |
| 18:08.46 | mindjuju | i'm starting to burn the ISOs to disc |
| 18:08.57 | mindjuju | at the worst, i'll just loose a couple of hours |
| 18:24.04 | fungus | mindjuju: I would probably suggest a first introduction to FreeBSD by trying out PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. These are Desktop versions of FreeBSD. |
| 18:24.35 | fungus | FreeBSD proper is best for servers, but it doesn't setup the GUI stuff automatically, it takes a bit of tweaking. |
| 18:24.48 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: Thanks! |
| 18:24.51 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: np |
| 18:24.57 | mindjuju | bummer, already started burning the ISOs |
| 18:25.00 | macnewbold | no problem |
| 18:25.02 | mindjuju | k, so look for desktopBSD? |
| 18:25.02 | macnewbold | is it for a desktop, or a server you want it? |
| 18:25.04 | mindjuju | well, it's an old p3 with 512 |
| 18:25.10 | mindjuju | i want it to do dhcp, firewall, virus scan for itself and internet connection share |
| 18:25.24 | fungus | If it isn't for play/experimentation/desktop use, stick with FreeBSD |
| 18:25.30 | mindjuju | k |
| 18:25.34 | mindjuju | now the computer is dual-homed where i have 2 nic, 1 assigned by the IP and one for the internal network |
| 18:25.37 | mindjuju | that shouldn't present a prob, should it? |
| 18:25.43 | fungus | Nope, that is perfect. |
| 18:25.50 | mindjuju | k, cool |
| 18:25.56 | mindjuju | k, so quick question |
| 18:26.03 | mindjuju | i've got the first freeBSD cd in and booted off it |
| 18:26.13 | mindjuju | i'm asked if i want freebsd default |
| 18:26.15 | mindjuju | bsd with acpi disabled |
| 18:26.19 | mindjuju | in safe mode |
| 18:26.19 | mindjuju | single user mode |
| 18:26.21 | mindjuju | verbose logging |
| 18:26.24 | mindjuju | and escape to loader prompt |
| 18:26.31 | mindjuju | i'm thinking door 1 sounds pretty cool |
| 18:26.37 | fungus | Just hit enter for the default |
| 18:43.06 | fungus | http://freebsd.org/handbook/install.html is a bit wordy, but is quite helpful. |
| 18:43.52 | mindjuju | well, the install has these cool prompts that explain what the heck your about to decide then when you press ok, it asks you what you wanted |
| 18:44.00 | mindjuju | not too shabby |
| 18:44.13 | mindjuju | i'll use that for reference, but i think i got it thus far |
| 18:44.28 | fungus | Yeah, you're smart, you'll figure it out. |
| 18:45.29 | mindjuju | wow, i can install this from an FTP server? |
| 18:45.33 | mindjuju | that's cool |
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| 18:45.57 | timothy_ | hello |
| 18:45.57 | wps | jbot, welcome timothy_ |
| 18:46.28 | jbot | Hey, timothy_! Glad you could join us. |
| 18:46.28 | wps | jbot, greet timothy_ |
| 18:46.31 | jbot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on timothy_ |
| 18:46.31 | timothy_ | lol |
| 18:46.31 | wps | sheesh |
| 18:46.31 | wps | stupid bot |
| 18:46.31 | wps | welcome, timothy_ |
| 18:46.32 | timothy_ | hey guys, I've got a problem that I can't quite work around. |
| 18:46.32 | timothy_ | would appreciate your advise |
| 18:46.36 | timothy_ | I've purchased a linux program for calculating mileage |
| 18:46.36 | timothy_ | it's called PC:Miler |
| 18:46.36 | timothy_ | PCMiler rather |
| 18:46.45 | timothy_ | and there's a shared library called PCMiler:Connect |
| 18:46.53 | timothy_ | but all their examples are in C/C++ |
| 18:47.07 | timothy_ | I've got the program+library up and running |
| 18:47.19 | timothy_ | and I can connect using PHP |
| 18:47.25 | timothy_ | $pp=popen("/usr/local/pcm200/libpcmsrv.so", "w") |
| 18:47.25 | timothy_ | and that works fine |
| 18:47.32 | timothy_ | but when I issue it's commands to Start the Server and Run some miles, it appears to do nothing |
| 19:03.13 | timothy_ | $server = passthru(escapeshellcmd("PCMSOpenServer(0, 0)")); |
| 19:03.16 | timothy_ | $miles = passthru(escapeshellcmd("PCMSCalcDistance(".$server.", 84004, 64110)")); |
| 19:03.19 | timothy_ | echo "<br /><br />Server: ".$server; |
| 19:03.19 | timothy_ | echo "<br />Miles: ".$miles; |
| 19:03.47 | timothy_ | I'm guessing that since $pp's die statement didn't execute, that the problem is in my PHP code |
| 19:03.47 | timothy_ | what do you all think? |
| 19:03.48 | timothy_ | whew, that was cold |
| 19:04.06 | fungus | when you use popen to open the library, it creates a file handle called $pp. You don't "execute" commands using passthru, you need to send the commands to the filehandle. |
| 19:04.23 | fungus | Maybe something more like `fwrite($pp,"PCMSOpenServer(0, 0)"); |
| 19:04.23 | timothy_ | I'll try that.... 1 min. |
| 19:04.27 | fungus | passthru actually tries to execute the commands using the commandline, not the process. |
| 19:04.47 | timothy_ | gotcha |
| 19:04.53 | timothy_ | that worked.... but gave 0 as the result... |
| 19:04.56 | timothy_ | but now I know it's not the PHP anymore |
| 19:04.56 | timothy_ | right? |
| 19:05.01 | fungus | fwrite doesn't return the result, it returns a success result. |
| 19:05.08 | timothy_ | oh.... |
| 19:05.12 | fungus | you need to read from the filehandle to see the output. |
| 19:05.15 | timothy_ | so that's a false result |
| 19:05.18 | timothy_ | I see |
| 19:05.18 | timothy_ | 1 min |
| 19:05.52 | timothy_ | this returned nothing: while ($line = fgets($pp, 1024)) { echo $line; } |
| 19:05.56 | timothy_ | how should I read from the filehandle? |
| 19:05.59 | fungus | You will need to change the mode on your popen. right now it is write only. |
| 19:06.20 | timothy_ | to r? |
| 19:06.34 | fungus | Note: If you're looking for bi-directional support (two-way), use proc_open(). |
| 19:06.48 | fungus | check out http://php.net/proc_open This is getting beyond my experience. |
| 19:21.54 | timothy_ | checking..... |
| 19:45.19 | timothy_ | this looks involved.... I'm digging in, but does anyone have experience on proc_open? |
| 20:04.52 | Utah_Dave | timothy_: according to the current book I'm reviewing, passthru is for returning binary output, like a gif. |
| 20:04.58 | Utah_Dave | try system() |
| 20:05.11 | Utah_Dave | $server = system("PCMSOpenServer(0, 0)"); |
| 20:05.20 | Utah_Dave | echo $system |
| 20:05.23 | Utah_Dave | ; |
| 20:07.09 | timothy_ | trying |
| 20:07.09 | timothy_ | ...... |
| 20:07.10 | Utah_Dave | I'll be back in a bit |
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| 21:12.20 | timothy_ | I'll be back in a bit... don't have proc_open or system running yet, will continue when I return. |
| 21:12.50 | timothy_ | thx for everyone's help |
| 22:28.41 | timothy_ | system is a no-go |
| 22:28.43 | timothy_ | finishing proc_open |
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| 23:14.36 | brasto | wps, did you have a copy of that css file template i can get? the one that removes the 2px border from images, collapses table borders, and removes other default browser formatting? |
| 23:33.34 | wps | brasto: hmm… don't have it published anywhere |
| 23:33.36 | wps | Richard Miller put a bunch of it on his blog though |
| 23:33.36 | wps | http://www.richardkmiller.com/blog/archives/2006/08/css-best-practices |
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| 23:34.40 | brasto | wps, or anyone else, i'm designing an image manipulation gui. i have some buttons (no onclick event yet, so they don't do anything). in the link you just sent, it suggests using <input> for the buttons. i'm just using <img> right now, and not putting these buttons in a form. do you recommend i put them into a form? |
| 23:34.46 | macnewbold | if they don't need to submit anything, there's not really any reason to, other than maybe accessability |
| 23:35.01 | brasto | http://mylumbertrader.com/photos/ |
| 23:35.12 | brasto | that's what i thought |
| 23:35.15 | wps | if it's not an a form, then I wouldn't use an input tag |
| 23:35.17 | macnewbold | but I guess maybe not even that... a text-only reader can still let you click on any image link as long as it had an alt tag |
| 23:35.17 | brasto | the image on the page i just sent is really big on purpose |
| 23:35.22 | brasto | it's to test the resampling for later |
| 23:35.26 | wps | I rarely every use (or would recommend using) the img tag |
| 23:35.28 | wps | if it's a button that's not in a form then us an anchor tag |
| 23:35.39 | wps | then give it a width and a height in your style sheet an apply the image as a background |
| 23:35.49 | brasto | macnewbold, you said alt tag, but you meant alt attribute, right? |
| 23:35.59 | macnewbold | but an image in the background (as with a color in the background) doesn't print on most browsers by default, right? so I'd vote to keep it in the foreground, personally. Since it is really a foreground/important piece of the page. |
| 23:36.04 | macnewbold | brasto: yeah :) |
| 23:36.09 | macnewbold | <img alt='alt tag here'> |
| 23:36.11 | brasto | wps, with the image in the background, people can't right-click the image and copy it. is that on purpose? |
| 23:36.18 | wps | no, but a nice side benefit |
| 23:36.33 | brasto | any other reasons why you stay away from <img>? |
| 23:40.41 | wps | depends on what you are using it for |
| 23:40.42 | wps | if they are going to click on the thing and it will do something or take them somewhere, then us a link (anchor tag)… that's what that tag is for |
| 23:40.42 | wps | when if the side is viewed unstyled, it's still a link and still works |
| 23:40.45 | wps | which is not the case if you use a javascript solution (onclick) and an img tag |
| 23:40.45 | wps | the img tag is not for links or buttons… it's juts for a static image |
| 23:40.55 | brasto | that makes sense. that's why it's a "best practice" then :) |
| 23:40.55 | brasto | thank you macnewbold and wps |
| 23:41.03 | wps | you're welcome |
| 23:41.12 | brasto | you've converted me to better practice coding. |
| 23:41.35 | brasto | utah_dave, i'm not a registered user yet, so can't send PMs, I don't follow the instructions on how to register my nickname. do you have YIM, MIM, AIM, or ICQ? |
| 23:41.40 | mindjuju | was that the safety dance, the macarena or just some freestyle dancing? |
| 23:41.50 | brasto | utah_dave, btw, it's Michael McClean - he wrote Mr. Krugers Christmas, and many other similar plays, music, media, etc. |
| 23:42.06 | brasto | The image is for a commercial i did with him for Deseret First Credit Union between GC sessions a couple years ago. |
| 23:56.34 | brasto | utah_dave, my screennames for AIM, YIM: hplsbyufan |
| 23:56.41 | brasto | I'm a Hopeless BYU Fan |
| 23:56.44 | brasto | My screenname for MIM: hplsbyufan@hotmail.com |
| 23:56.50 | brasto | but don't use that for email, I never check it. |
| 23:57.00 | brasto | that's why i'll put it in this chat which'll be archived... |