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| 14:18.16 | drip | gm |
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| 14:48.21 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 14:52.21 | mindjuju | my colleagues, i have found the absolute BEST THING EVAR on the internet |
| 14:52.38 | mindjuju | an awesome adaptation to google maps |
| 14:52.39 | synic | whitney huston fan site? |
| 14:52.48 | mindjuju | even better |
| 14:52.48 | mindjuju | http://www.isoma.net/games/goggles.html |
| 14:52.50 | synic | ! |
| 14:53.55 | synic | hrmm... I think it's broken |
| 14:54.00 | mindjuju | a - faster; z - slower; spacebar - gun; and the arrow keys to handle direction and pitch |
| 14:54.26 | mindjuju | really? |
| 14:54.31 | mindjuju | i'm playing it now |
| 14:55.04 | mindjuju | that's wierd, it's stuttering a litle. wasn't last night, maybe it's the load? |
| 14:55.13 | synic | you on lunix? |
| 14:55.21 | mindjuju | xp |
| 14:55.33 | synic | hrmm. I guess it's just busted in linux. |
| 14:55.56 | mindjuju | that sux! it requires flash 8, but i thought flash 8 was the first release for linux |
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| 15:12.21 | bigdog_ut | nope i dont think flash 8 is avail for linux yet |
| 15:12.27 | bigdog_ut | i checked about 2 weeks ago |
| 15:12.41 | mindjuju | oh, seems like i heard that somewhere, but don't know for a fact |
| 15:12.45 | mindjuju | good to know |
| 15:13.53 | bigdog_ut | kinda sucks...cause now i cant view some sites |
| 15:15.42 | mindjuju | hey bigdog_ut |
| 15:16.05 | bigdog_ut | morning sunshine |
| 15:16.10 | mindjuju | http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux |
| 15:18.26 | bigdog_ut | about time |
| 15:18.48 | mindjuju | i thought i read somewhere that it was out |
| 15:20.06 | synic | that's flash 7 still |
| 15:23.20 | bigdog_ut | ~pimpslap mindjuju |
| 15:23.22 | jbot | bigdog_ut pimpslaps mindjuju. ouch! |
| 15:23.33 | mindjuju | ~macattack bigdog_ut |
| 15:23.34 | jbot | ACTION jumps on bell rope, causing bell to hit bigdog_ut! |
| 15:58.06 | wps | sorry dude |
| 15:58.12 | wps | life's been insane |
| 15:58.23 | wps | our baby has been screaming for three days straight |
| 15:58.30 | wps | we finally figured it out last night |
| 15:58.40 | mindjuju | yup, i was going to ask how your baby was, wps |
| 15:58.47 | wps | violent, volcanic gas |
| 15:59.41 | bigdog_ut | oh man |
| 15:59.53 | wps | we've barely slept for three days |
| 15:59.59 | wps | the baby has wanted to eat every hour |
| 16:00.13 | bigdog_ut | i know how you feel..i remember the first time i took my baby in to primarys...she was up for 6 days |
| 16:00.13 | wps | and then would only sleep for about half an hour |
| 16:00.23 | wps | and then would scream whenever she woke up |
| 16:00.39 | bigdog_ut | is she still having problems? |
| 16:00.40 | wps | we were getting really worried because it was a complete change from how she was before (an absolute angel) |
| 16:00.53 | wps | I think we figured it out |
| 16:01.30 | wps | I ran to walmart last night at one in the morning and bought some baby gas medicine and the last report from my wife an hour ago was that it seems to be fixing it |
| 16:01.42 | mindjuju | way cool! |
| 16:02.08 | bigdog_ut | nice |
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| 16:07.57 | drip | bigdog_ut: I caught some fish for you over the weekend... |
| 16:08.06 | bigdog_ut | trout? |
| 16:08.17 | drip | brook trout |
| 16:08.23 | bigdog_ut | ;) |
| 16:08.25 | drip | 16 of them.. |
| 16:08.27 | drip | of course.. |
| 16:08.30 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 16:08.31 | drip | they were all <10" |
| 16:08.32 | drip | lol |
| 16:09.58 | bigdog_ut | how is work drip ? |
| 16:26.04 | bigdog_ut | ~wake drip |
| 16:26.07 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on drip and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 16:31.05 | drip | it's good |
| 16:31.28 | drip | got another load of books to peruse |
| 16:32.16 | drip | right now I'm playing with castor to do xml -> data object mapping. |
| 16:32.37 | drip | how's your work treating you? |
| 16:39.49 | bigdog_ut | good...im doing some email stuff and some mapping gis stuff |
| 16:39.59 | bigdog_ut | will be looking at a rules engine here pretty soon |
| 16:40.02 | bigdog_ut | so it is all good |
| 16:40.07 | bigdog_ut | and i got a new chari |
| 16:40.18 | bigdog_ut | chair...leather exec chair |
| 16:44.13 | macnewbold | oooh |
| 16:46.30 | bigdog_ut | its nice |
| 16:52.03 | macnewbold | these are the chairs we have around the office: http://domicilefurniture.com/Pages/Office/Chairs/Eurostyle/BungeHighBack/Enlarge/BungeHigh_Enlarge.htm |
| 16:54.59 | bigdog_ut | those are nice |
| 17:03.26 | Utah_Dave | we got these a while back: http://www.hermanmiller.com/CDA/SSA/Product/0,,a10-c440-p8,00.html |
| 17:03.55 | Utah_Dave | they're the trendy thing in gov't |
| 17:07.29 | macnewbold | yeah, I heard that among startups, the quantity of those chairs they owned was directly proportional to how fast they failed... |
| 17:07.34 | macnewbold | they're very pricey |
| 17:07.48 | macnewbold | and you probably have to be a rocket scientist to figure out all the right adjustments |
| 17:08.50 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it's a REAL pain when you take a day off and a co-worker sits in your chair and adjusts everything. |
| 17:09.09 | Utah_Dave | It's takes all morning to get it back just right. |
| 17:09.11 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 17:09.53 | drip | lol |
| 17:10.03 | drip | i thought they were issuing everyone battlechairs. =P |
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| 17:31.42 | mindjuju | ~lart everybody with fancy shmancy chairs |
| 17:31.50 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:32.02 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:32.22 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:49.17 | mindjuju | any NT admins in the house that is willing to admit it? if you're afraid to admit it in public, just PM me |
| 17:51.59 | Utah_Dave | I have to mess with NT a bit. what's up? |
| 17:54.04 | mindjuju | i just heard a security report about vista |
| 17:54.08 | mindjuju | very scary |
| 17:54.34 | mindjuju | don't know if your upgrading but the info in the report is enough to significantly delay deployment |
| 17:55.38 | mindjuju | here is the URL for the report --> http://www.twit.tv/sn51 |
| 17:55.50 | mindjuju | report by Leo Laporte from Tech TV |
| 18:04.21 | fungus | mindjuju: I would suggest crediting Steve Gibson as he has better security credentials than Leo does. |
| 18:05.07 | mindjuju | my bad, i was talking to my wife about what she was going to do today, didn't realize i didn't have him on the list |
| 18:05.21 | mindjuju | your right though, steve gibson from Shields Up and tons of other stuff |
| 18:06.03 | fungus | np, I love Leo, but he is just the host. |
| 18:06.04 | mindjuju | ~macattack fungus |
| 18:06.06 | jbot | ACTION jumps on bell rope, causing bell to hit fungus! |
| 18:06.18 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:06.36 | mindjuju | i think everybody should have a macattack! |
| 18:06.40 | fungus | IMHO, Vista shouldn't write their own TCP/IP stack, they should just steal the one from OpenBSD. |
| 18:06.58 | mindjuju | well, it's alleged in that report that 2k did that |
| 18:07.25 | fungus | No, 2k, and long before that windows was using a derivative of a FreeBSD stack. |
| 18:07.43 | fungus | Which is good, but not as over-the-top secure as OpenBSD. |
| 18:08.18 | mindjuju | that area of technology isn't my strong suite |
| 18:08.50 | mindjuju | netstacks that is |
| 18:09.08 | mindjuju | i understand the basics, but that is about it |
| 18:09.09 | fungus | OpenBSD is the BSD that takes security to the extreme. They encrypt their swap space, randomize TCP sequence numbers, use blowfish for password hashes, etc, etc. |
| 18:13.18 | mindjuju | wow, hope i didn't piss him off with that macattack, i was just playing around |
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| 19:02.48 | mindjuju | that pesky macnewbold, always adding those onjoin commands |
| 19:15.09 | mindjuju | ugh, i hate it when people don't know the rules of the bathroom |
| 19:15.48 | synic | the owner of our company hasn't quite figured out the "close and lock the door when you're in there" rule. |
| 19:15.56 | synic | this has led to a few embarassing moments. |
| 19:15.58 | mindjuju | the men's bathroom in our building has 3 stalls all in a line. everybody should know that you can't take the middle stall. cause nobody wants to sit next to somebody when they're in the crapper |
| 19:16.17 | mindjuju | unless, you've got an emergency and the far left and far right are already taken |
| 19:16.20 | mindjuju | then, it's ok |
| 19:16.29 | synic | he doesn't just not lock the door. |
| 19:16.33 | synic | often, he just doesn't close it. |
| 19:16.53 | mindjuju | synic: k, i admit it, that's much worse |
| 19:17.26 | synic | xilch|w: I think we need to have an intervention with him. |
| 19:18.12 | mindjuju | i think that may be illegal in some states |
| 19:18.40 | xilch|w | hehe |
| 19:18.56 | synic | I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing: sometimes you know he's in there because you can hear him talking on his cellphone, so you don't accidentally walk in there |
| 19:19.11 | xilch|w | sometimes I purposely break the urinal rules and take one right next to a guy - especially if there are like, 20 open stalls |
| 19:19.20 | xilch|w | "how's it going" |
| 19:19.20 | mindjuju | how does that make you feel to be talking to do the dude and here the toilet flush |
| 19:19.23 | synic | so basically he's in there pinching one off while he's on the phone. |
| 19:19.23 | xilch|w | that kind of stuff |
| 19:20.16 | mindjuju | xilch|w: i've never broken the urinal rule |
| 19:21.15 | xilch|w | I only do it if I'm feeling obnoxious and there are so many stalls that it seems impossible to break |
| 19:21.18 | mindjuju | i mean, you've got delicate equipment in your hands, last thing you need is for it to be zipped up along with your pants or something |
| 19:40.54 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 19:49.45 | mindjuju | anybody here heard of Hamachi ? |
| 19:51.21 | fungus | Yes, but they don't make a BSD version. |
| 19:51.30 | mindjuju | any good, secure? |
| 19:51.33 | fungus | And it got sold to some other company. |
| 19:51.39 | fungus | yes... secure. |
| 19:51.56 | fungus | non-Free |
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| 20:34.58 | Utah_Dave | hamachi looks pretty cool |
| 20:40.05 | mindjuju | yup, just installed it |
| 20:40.58 | Utah_Dave | how is it performance-wise |
| 20:40.59 | Utah_Dave | ? |
| 20:42.28 | mindjuju | haven't connected it with any computers |
| 20:42.31 | mindjuju | just installed it |
| 20:42.34 | _psychic_ | hallelujah for a job posting that actually advertises a salary range |
| 20:42.37 | mindjuju | have to get home to test it out |
| 20:42.43 | mindjuju | was there one? |
| 20:43.18 | _psychic_ | desired skills list seems a bit heavy and varied though |
| 20:44.24 | _psychic_ | graphic designer + sysadmin + coder + db admin :) |
| 20:44.44 | mindjuju | what's the wage, i'm not on that email list |
| 20:44.56 | _psychic_ | $45,000 - $55,000 (Negotiable) |
| 20:45.02 | _psychic_ | in Lehi |
| 20:45.12 | wps_ | I require salaries/benefit info or I won't let them through |
| 20:45.18 | _psychic_ | ?! |
| 20:45.21 | wps_ | I reject tons |
| 20:45.41 | wps_ | many have to submit them two or three times until they meet all the requirements for me to let them through |
| 20:45.41 | _psychic_ | That's the first one I've seen in a while |
| 20:45.41 | mindjuju | that's cool that you go through them |
| 20:45.45 | wps_ | (job postings) |
| 20:46.03 | _psychic_ | "Compensation depends on skill set and experience" |
| 20:46.03 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 20:46.09 | _psychic_ | that's not info :) |
| 20:46.09 | wps_ | I hate that line |
| 20:46.10 | wps_ | gag |
| 20:46.17 | _psychic_ | you let that one through, bro |
| 20:46.28 | wps_ | yeah… because the guy couldn't figure it out |
| 20:46.37 | wps_ | he tried submitting it four times and still didn't get it |
| 20:46.52 | wps_ | I was sick of telling him "YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE SALARY AND BENEFIT INFORMATION!!!" |
| 20:47.04 | wps_ | and half the people can't figure out what address to post to |
| 20:47.13 | wps_ | and half can't figure out that you have to be subscribed to the job list to post |
| 20:47.17 | wps_ | it's really annoying |
| 20:47.25 | wps_ | it's so simple and yet so many can't figure it out |
| 20:47.38 | _psychic_ | deny them then |
| 20:47.42 | wps_ | that's what I do |
| 20:47.53 | _psychic_ | why do I still get them, then? :P |
| 20:48.03 | wps_ | some have complained about the requirements being too harsh |
| 20:48.11 | wps_ | but I tell them that I want it to be this way |
| 20:48.18 | _psychic_ | I don't want a retarded employer |
| 20:48.28 | _psychic_ | if you're not even going to post a pay range, you're just playing games |
| 20:48.37 | wps_ | exactly |
| 20:48.38 | mindjuju | true that |
| 20:48.41 | wps_ | or running a sweat shop |
| 20:48.44 | _psychic_ | the last email on that list with actual numbers is July 11th |
| 20:48.48 | wps_ | I want people that subscribe to the UPHPU job announcement list to know that they are only going to get things that are worth your time |
| 20:49.02 | _psychic_ | yeah but most of them don't have pay ranges, wps_! |
| 20:49.49 | wps_ | yeah, I've been a little lax this past little bit and let a few slide through that had the "based on qualifications" ones that I could tell were at least salaried |
| 20:49.52 | wps_ | I'll do better |
| 20:49.54 | wps_ | sorry |
| 20:49.59 | _psychic_ | good man |
| 20:50.45 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: interestly, he posted the same (or similar?) job on 8/14 with "$50,000 - $60,000 (Negotiable)" |
| 20:50.57 | mindjuju | that's funny |
| 20:51.08 | _psychic_ | you'd think it would go up if he wasn't finding anyone.... |
| 20:52.03 | mindjuju | but then again, if he had to submit 3 times to get it posted, that may explain his adverse reactions to logic and logical thinking |
| 20:54.11 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 21:06.25 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
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| 21:52.47 | bigdog_ut | i am the bigdog |
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| 22:09.28 | mindjuju | Holy Shnikes! Steve Gibson is recommending everybody turn off JavaScript. he offers this page as proof of concept to how sophisticated JS malware has become |
| 22:09.29 | mindjuju | http://www.spidynamics.com/spilabs/js-port-scan/ |
| 22:11.28 | mindjuju | there goes bigdog_ut |
| 22:11.44 | fungus | what is the big deal with JS portscanning. |
| 22:16.15 | _psychic_ | some one might be able to... do something they can already do with lots of other web technologies... |
| 22:16.47 | _psychic_ | also according to this tool, most of the boxen on my network are running IIS.. :P |
| 22:19.47 | fungus | It could be a problem if your only security on the inside of your net is by IP, but who besides complete idiots rely on that. |
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| 22:25.41 | mindjuju | yeah, this stuff is pretty lame, but somehow was a topic of interest at the both blackhat 2k6 and defcon |
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| 22:29.36 | fungus | It isn't lame. It is a pretty cool technique. It is just over hyped. |
| 22:30.12 | mindjuju | i was being sarcastic about lame. i don't know about overhyped |
| 22:30.18 | fungus | The worst that this JS vuln can do is do GET's and POST's to an internal webserver. woop de do. |
| 22:31.01 | fungus | Internal web apps should be protected in other ways anyway. |
| 22:32.06 | mindjuju | there is a link on that page called security brief that talks about vectors from this point |
| 22:32.09 | mindjuju | http://www.spidynamics.com/assets/documents/JSportscan.pdf |
| 22:32.23 | fungus | This idea is a wake up call for those that only protect their intranets by IP only. |
| 22:32.25 | mindjuju | a prob for linux users, prolly not |
| 22:33.22 | mindjuju | but put this with the list of router exploits that he mentions in another podcast |
| 22:33.24 | mindjuju | maybe |
| 22:33.35 | fungus | security should be managed in layers, and this hack is a way to bypass one of those layers. a small one at that. |
| 22:33.44 | mindjuju | considering that most routers have web interface |
| 22:34.10 | fungus | You have a point, but everyone should have changed their routers admin password. |
| 22:34.27 | fungus | And disabled UPnP. |
| 22:34.39 | mindjuju | yeah, true on the uPnP |
| 22:34.57 | mindjuju | he listed like 10 linksys wireless routers that had major uPnP issues |
| 22:35.20 | fungus | those were dlink routers. not linksys. |
| 22:35.37 | mindjuju | were they? my bad |
| 22:35.48 | mindjuju | guess you heard the same podcast? |
| 22:36.09 | fungus | yup. I have been listening to it since the beginning. |
| 22:36.37 | mindjuju | man only started listening to them about a month ago. i'm backtracking to hear what has been going on |
| 22:37.08 | fungus | Good idea. Security Now is really good. Especially the stuff about crypto a while back. |
| 22:37.59 | fungus | oh yeah, don't forget the wifi security in the beginning. :) |
| 22:38.46 | mindjuju | don't use wifi at home -- to risky |
| 22:38.57 | mindjuju | and corporate policy here forbids it |
| 22:41.01 | fungus | I use wifi at home, and not in the most secure way I could. I really should try to find the time/energy to rework my network. |
| 22:42.14 | fungus | The wifi here at work is done well. It is on a separate network, and almost everyone on it uses an ipsec tunnel over it. |
| 22:42.45 | mindjuju | it's got to be nice to be able to run around the house without wires, but we've got a SAN going with everyone of my DVDs ripped to avi, all CDs ripped to MP3 (much to bigdog_ut chagrin, i'm sure), and just the normal docs and stuff, don't want people just downloading that stuff |
| 22:43.01 | mindjuju | now that's a good idea about using ipsec |
| 22:44.24 | fungus | If you take the right precautions you can do wifi at home, and be ok from a security standpoint. |
| 23:19.03 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 23:19.16 | mindjuju | man, that's like 3x for drip today |
| 23:19.20 | mindjuju | i wonder what up? |
| 23:32.08 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 23:32.14 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:32.34 | mindjuju | nice |