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| 14:55.18 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 15:08.31 | bigdog_ut | ~lart mindjuju |
| 15:09.34 | mindjuju | hey! it was the fates that decided! |
| 15:09.40 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
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| 17:45.47 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:46.37 | mindjuju | yipes, wps got rlart twice in a row... sure doesn't seem very random in light of it targeting ryane the other day |
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| 18:52.53 | brasto | jbot, was that message somehow queued for me so I'd see it right when i came back on the channel? |
| 18:56.31 | brasto | has anyone customized sf.net's "gallery" to use a custom login system, and/or to fit in a <div> tag in another page? |
| 18:59.18 | bigdog_ut | i think it is just happy |
| 19:29.17 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 19:29.46 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:29.53 | _psychic_ | ~lart mindjuju |
| 19:30.04 | _psychic_ | ~bdhit mindjuju |
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| 19:30.15 | mindjuju | ~macattack _psychic_ |
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| 19:30.21 | mindjuju | pow! |
| 19:30.29 | drip | ~dripslap mindjuju |
| 19:30.31 | jbot | ACTION pulls out his Pink Cookie Gun.. takes aim at mindjuju.. and fires... mindjuju DOWN! Can we get a medic over here?! |
| 19:30.31 | mindjuju | ~nosepick _psychic_ |
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| 19:30.45 | mindjuju | ~porkchop _psychic_ |
| 19:30.48 | jbot | ACTION spits on a porkchop and feeds it to _psychic_ Eat up! |
| 19:31.31 | mindjuju | yeah, i actually need to write up a proposal real quick |
| 19:31.44 | mindjuju | was just doing a rlart for fun |
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| 20:05.25 | brasto | i just sent a question to our think tank |
| 20:05.45 | brasto | actually, i sent 3 questions |
| 20:06.22 | mindjuju | what questions? |
| 20:07.20 | brasto | It's in an email to the list entitled "[UPHPU] customizing sf.net's "gallery" project" |
| 20:07.44 | brasto | I would like to integrate gallery into an existing website so it: |
| 20:07.55 | brasto | 1. Uses an existing, custom built login system. |
| 20:07.56 | brasto | 2. Fits in a <div> block element, so it's part of a page, but not the |
| 20:07.56 | brasto | whole page. |
| 20:08.13 | brasto | This software uses the GPL license, which means I can modify the code if I make the source available. We want to sell this adapted code as part of a larger website. |
| 20:08.25 | brasto | My questions: |
| 20:08.31 | brasto | 1. Has anyone done this before? |
| 20:08.36 | brasto | 2. Any ideas how to do this? |
| 20:08.42 | brasto | 3. Can we sell the modified code under GPL? |
| 20:09.22 | macnewbold | regarding 3: you can sell it, but if you redistribute the modified code you have to open source it, and depending on who you ask, you may have to open source the rest of your app too, which makes it hard to sell sometimes |
| 20:09.40 | macnewbold | if you run it as a service, i.e. they pay you a subscription to use the software on your server, |
| 20:10.06 | macnewbold | then you aren't redistributing modified code, so you don't have to open source your app |
| 20:10.31 | macnewbold | if it's in PHP, without using IonCube or Zend you can't send them a binary version anyway, so they'd have the source |
| 20:10.56 | brasto | yes, it's all in php. |
| 20:10.57 | macnewbold | I think the requirement is that anyone who gets a binary copy of the software can also get a copy of the source that corresponds to the binary |
| 20:11.14 | macnewbold | so if you sold the source for the modified gallery along with the rest of it, you may be covered |
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| 20:11.31 | brasto | thank you, that makes sense |
| 20:11.33 | wps | fungus: you still using RoundCub WebMail? |
| 20:11.35 | macnewbold | i.e. I don't think you have to make it public to everyone, just available tot hose that have the software |
| 20:11.50 | macnewbold | wps: try it at kittypee.com, I think he is |
| 20:12.00 | macnewbold | I'm considering installing it, actually |
| 20:12.01 | fungus | Kind of. I still have it running, but haven't updated it in a long time. |
| 20:12.08 | wps | k |
| 20:12.09 | macnewbold | so I'd like to know how you like it too |
| 20:12.12 | wps | they released an update recently |
| 20:12.20 | wps | I was wondering if some of it's weaknesses had been improved |
| 20:12.33 | fungus | cool. I'll have to update my copy and try it out. |
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| 20:53.18 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 20:59.54 | bigdog_ut | ~lart mindjuju |
| 21:00.56 | mindjuju | ~macattack bigdog_ut |
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| 21:02.16 | drip | ~lart bigdog_ut |
| 21:02.55 | drip | time for me to go celebrate my son's birth. cya later |
| 21:03.02 | mindjuju | laters drip |
| 21:03.43 | mindjuju | sup bigdog_ut |
| 21:03.53 | bigdog_ut | not much |
| 21:04.08 | bigdog_ut | just going to burn some cds |
| 21:04.16 | mindjuju | nice |
| 21:04.19 | mindjuju | anything good |
| 21:04.26 | bigdog_ut | nope just centos |
| 21:04.28 | mindjuju | dj baby anne by chance? |
| 21:04.33 | mindjuju | oh, linux distros |
| 21:04.36 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 21:04.56 | bigdog_ut | yeah i got a new server in |
| 21:05.02 | mindjuju | nice |
| 21:05.31 | mindjuju | hey bigdog_ut. i was going to set up scalix on this RHEL box i had, never seem to have the time to go through the mountains of documentation to put it together and have it be safe |
| 21:05.47 | mindjuju | when you deploy an MTA, what distro do you use and what MTA? |
| 21:05.54 | bigdog_ut | gentoo postfix |
| 21:06.10 | bigdog_ut | gentoo with selinux really |
| 21:06.25 | bigdog_ut | but postfix and dovecot for mail system |
| 21:08.05 | mindjuju | way cool. i found the sites for postfix and dovecot |
| 21:08.18 | mindjuju | i'll download gentoo distro and put over RHEL |
| 21:09.04 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: do you have 4 days to install gentoo? :) |
| 21:09.20 | mindjuju | i hate to sound like a cheapo, but i've just spent $2600 last week for the company. does gentoo charge for support where packages are part of support |
| 21:09.30 | mindjuju | well, it's more like have it up ASAP |
| 21:09.46 | mindjuju | truth told, i was swamped on some other projects and now this one is coming due soon |
| 21:10.08 | Utah_Dave | If you've never installed Gentoo before, I wouldn't try it unless you have a lot of time to burn |
| 21:10.16 | mindjuju | ugh realy? |
| 21:10.25 | _psychic__ | emerge with the infinite |
| 21:10.25 | mindjuju | what about ubuntu? |
| 21:10.50 | _psychic__ | ubuntu is pretty easy |
| 21:11.13 | Utah_Dave | ubuntu should be pretty good, Fedora Core 5 if you like Redhat |
| 21:11.48 | Utah_Dave | Gentoo is great once you get it set up, but it is takes a LOT more than just popping in some CDs and selecting which options to install |
| 21:12.07 | Utah_Dave | Serious, if you haven't done it before, Gentoo will take you a couple of days |
| 21:12.34 | mindjuju | _psychic_ is emerge a linux distro? |
| 21:12.49 | _psychic__ | no its a gentoo thing :) |
| 21:12.56 | mindjuju | gotcha |
| 21:13.07 | Utah_Dave | emerge is like yum or apt-get |
| 21:13.10 | _psychic__ | Utah_Dave isn't exaggerating |
| 21:13.32 | _psychic__ | a few days is about what you'll take to get it up and going |
| 21:14.06 | mindjuju | bummer, don't really have that much time. I think i'll go ubuntu and with postfix ande dovecot for an MTA |
| 21:18.23 | macnewbold | mindjuju: *cough* FreeBSD *cough* |
| 21:18.36 | mindjuju | sup macnewbold |
| 21:18.41 | mindjuju | i thought you were on vacation |
| 21:18.43 | macnewbold | I was |
| 21:18.46 | macnewbold | Fri and Sat |
| 21:18.54 | mindjuju | ah, way cool |
| 21:18.58 | macnewbold | went to Cedar City, saw three plays, and had a picnic in Zions |
| 21:19.07 | mindjuju | hey macnewbold, what you running for MTA? |
| 21:19.09 | macnewbold | too short, I say |
| 21:19.35 | macnewbold | I use sendmail because it's the FreeBSD default still, and is really easy to set up and configure, and very well known |
| 21:19.50 | macnewbold | and I'm familiar with it :) |
| 21:20.04 | mindjuju | i thought i read somewhere a long time ago that sendmail had security issues and that's why there was some new program |
| 21:20.10 | mindjuju | can't remember what it is called |
| 21:20.20 | mindjuju | is that no longer the case or did i get bad data? |
| 21:20.51 | macnewbold | sendmail has had security issues in the past |
| 21:21.09 | macnewbold | I've seen very few in the last 3 years or so though |
| 21:24.12 | mindjuju | how intuitive is freebsd |
| 21:24.20 | mindjuju | don't have tons of time to deploy the solution |
| 21:53.53 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, is this a production server? |
| 21:54.05 | mindjuju | yup |
| 21:55.17 | bigdog_ut | what distros are you familiar with? |
| 21:56.59 | mindjuju | ubuntu |
| 21:57.30 | mindjuju | RHEL a little |
| 21:58.21 | mindjuju | why, what you thinking? |
| 22:03.02 | bigdog_ut | one sec |
| 22:03.55 | bigdog_ut | well you have some options then: redhat, fedora, centos, ubuntu, debian, mandrake and perhaps a couple others |
| 22:04.06 | bigdog_ut | for cost and production i use: gentoo and centos |
| 22:04.29 | bigdog_ut | centos is one that i really like...it is rhel |
| 22:07.26 | mindjuju | bigdog_ut, with those distros, would you still keep the same MTA combo? dovecot and postfix? |
| 22:10.44 | fungus | BSD, BSD, BSD |
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| 22:16.14 | macnewbold | mindjuju: freebsd is pretty intuitive, IMHO |
| 22:16.41 | macnewbold | but I'll warn you that it can be addictive |
| 22:16.49 | macnewbold | once I used freebsd, I never looked back |
| 22:17.10 | fungus | I at least look back, but never for very long. :) |
| 22:17.10 | mindjuju | hate to be a cheapo, but does it cost to get packages on freebsd? |
| 22:17.14 | _psychic__ | what's the BSD equivalent of sorts of apt-get/yum/yAST |
| 22:17.22 | fungus | ports |
| 22:17.40 | fungus | or packages |
| 22:17.44 | fungus | portinstall lang/php |
| 22:17.49 | fungus | pkg_add -r php |
| 22:18.41 | fungus | mindjuju: you can get the packages for free. |
| 22:18.51 | mindjuju | way cool |
| 22:19.44 | mindjuju | so RHEL vs FreeBSD? who would win for a production email server with the requests on ease of use, security, deployment time? |
| 22:20.20 | _psychic__ | (or what are the advantages of BSD over Linux?) |
| 22:22.11 | fungus | mindjuju: if you already know RHEL stuff, then ease of use and deployment time would rule out BSD |
| 22:25.06 | fungus | http://www.linuxisforbitches.com/bsdvlinux.php |
| 22:25.15 | fungus | :) |
| 22:32.24 | mindjuju | yeah, i've heard about that lady running around being the bsd logo |
| 23:04.09 | bigdog_ut | i woudl do redhat or centos |