| 00:00.04 | mindjuju | or 5 abnormal form i should say |
| 00:00.13 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 00:00.17 | bigdog_ut | eclipse can fix that for you |
| 00:00.46 | mindjuju | really? |
| 00:01.19 | bigdog_ut | http://www.eclipse.org/datatools/ |
| 00:03.54 | mindjuju | yeah! 6p, now i get to spend 2 hours patching all of my win 2k3 boxes ( a weekly event every Tuesday at 6p) |
| 00:04.41 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, that has a sql modeler that is nice |
| 00:04.51 | bigdog_ut | i have been using that alot |
| 00:04.57 | bigdog_ut | for modeling and then creating my ddls |
| 00:05.29 | mindjuju | how's it compare to ERWIN or dare i saw Visio for Enterprise Architects? |
| 00:05.48 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 00:05.56 | bigdog_ut | that is like say free vs. $4000 |
| 00:06.07 | bigdog_ut | erwin is the be all end all in db modeling |
| 00:06.33 | mindjuju | yeah, my PO for that was rejected |
| 00:06.39 | mindjuju | prolly not till next year |
| 00:06.47 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 00:06.49 | mindjuju | else, it would have wiped out my budget |
| 00:06.56 | bigdog_ut | not many companies get those tools |
| 00:07.18 | bigdog_ut | i have used erwin a couple times and visio arch...great tools |
| 00:07.40 | mindjuju | yeah, i have the MSDN so i get visio for enterprise architects |
| 00:08.43 | mindjuju | i only got a 30 day trial of ERWIN and most of that time, i didn't even get to use it cause i got assigned a crazy big project so it just sat until the time expired |
| 00:12.37 | bigdog_ut | ~wake wps |
| 00:12.39 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on wps and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 00:12.52 | mindjuju | he took off like 30 min ago |
| 00:13.00 | bigdog_ut | man |
| 00:14.03 | brasto | how do i access imagemagick via php? |
| 00:14.21 | bigdog_ut | you need the prce stuff in php5 i think |
| 00:14.39 | bigdog_ut | not sure with php4 |
| 00:14.59 | brasto | i think i found it: http://www.magickwand.org/download/php/ |
| 00:15.27 | mindjuju | i actually sent commands to image magic through the command line |
| 00:16.09 | bigdog_ut | i would check the prce and see what they have |
| 00:17.23 | bigdog_ut | or pecl |
| 00:17.47 | bigdog_ut | http://pecl.php.net/package/imagick |
| 00:23.11 | bigdog_ut | brasto, dont worry too much about it...i will fix it for you |
| 00:25.30 | brasto | lol, i'll take a look at it |
| 00:26.28 | brasto | gotta go, but if anyone wants to send me offline comments, email me: brandon dot stout at gmail dot com |
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| 00:28.07 | bigdog_ut | lol...i guess he did not get my message that i would fix it |
| 00:28.55 | mindjuju | yup |
| 00:29.00 | mindjuju | you scared him |
| 00:29.08 | mindjuju | plus, my way is more fun |
| 00:29.13 | bigdog_ut | right after he posted...he boss called me cause i admin the box |
| 00:29.16 | bigdog_ut | roflol |
| 00:33.30 | macnewbold | huh? which box? |
| 00:33.48 | bigdog_ut | he is doing some work for a guy and i admin the box that he will be deploying on |
| 00:34.07 | bigdog_ut | so i should have it all done in like 10 minute |
| 00:34.11 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 00:34.25 | bigdog_ut | just funny that right after he posts i get a phone call asking the same question |
| 00:34.48 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 00:35.06 | bigdog_ut | so i asked if brasto did work for him and he said yes |
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| 14:49.06 | mindjuju | yo |
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| 15:03.23 | Utah_Dave | morning |
| 15:04.19 | _psychic_ | g'morning |
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| 16:05.05 | drip | mid-mornin' on ya |
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| 16:31.37 | bigdog_ut | drip nice to see you leaking all over |
| 16:32.05 | bigdog_ut | when are you going to invite me over for some of the the other pink meat - salmon |
| 16:44.52 | drip | we'll have to do it sometime soon |
| 16:45.08 | drip | i'm hungry for some salmon |
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| 17:48.09 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:49.12 | tierra | AOL should distribute those search stats on their free AOL cds... |
| 17:52.35 | mindjuju | i can't say how much CD art i've made with those things |
| 17:54.29 | tierra | I've seem them tossed in front of the doors of apartments and actually sent to people more often than in stores these days |
| 18:34.23 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 18:38.55 | wps | jbot, lart rlarts |
| 18:39.30 | mindjuju | that's a lot of firepower there |
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| 19:28.10 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 19:28.23 | mindjuju | ~frenchassault jbot |
| 19:28.25 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! jbot, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 19:28.46 | mindjuju | serves jbot right |
| 19:28.58 | mindjuju | ~frenchassault bigdog_ut |
| 19:28.59 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! bigdog_ut, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 19:36.38 | macnewbold | ~bonk mindjuju |
| 19:36.40 | jbot | ACTION bonks mindjuju over the head |
| 19:37.12 | mindjuju | ~nosepick macnewbold |
| 19:37.13 | jbot | ACTION plucks macnewbold out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch! |
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| 20:08.02 | brasto | bigdog_ut , do you have all three things we will need for lumbertrader.com to use? I mean you have step 1 - php installed, and step 2 - imagemagick installed I'm sure. We also need either the imagick PECL or magickwand (from imagemagick), right? |
| 20:08.22 | bigdog_ut | already done |
| 20:08.33 | brasto | cool |
| 20:10.34 | brasto | i was chatting with tim just now, and he said he bought his Linux guy dinner to get imagemagic installed. so i asked him about those things, and he said, why don't you ask him? you were chatting with him just yesterday... |
| 20:10.51 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 20:11.11 | bigdog_ut | after you posted he called me with the same questions |
| 20:11.14 | brasto | that's another reason why i like the open source community |
| 20:11.19 | brasto | lol |
| 20:11.19 | bigdog_ut | so i asked if you were doing work for him |
| 20:11.27 | bigdog_ut | it was funny |
| 20:11.36 | mindjuju | yup |
| 20:12.11 | brasto | gentoo, cool. i have to print the manual on gentoo sometime so i can get it installed |
| 20:12.27 | brasto | it's not so gui user friendly |
| 20:12.46 | mindjuju | the commandline on imagemagick is absolutely awesome |
| 20:12.49 | brasto | but i'm betting it's "get a better job" friendly since it isn't gui friendly |
| 20:13.13 | brasto | does php allow access to the imagemagick cli? |
| 20:13.30 | mindjuju | yup |
| 20:14.01 | brasto | if i play with it on my local host - i'm using php5, will there be any major differences? |
| 20:14.35 | mindjuju | shouldn't be as long as you make sure the version that is installed on the server is the same one your using locally |
| 20:15.00 | mindjuju | when i was using it, we were thumbnailing and watermarking images for photogs |
| 20:15.31 | mindjuju | photogs would upload anywhere from 100 - 200 images, all needing thumb and watermark |
| 20:15.39 | brasto | you have 4.4.2, which is the production server |
| 20:15.41 | mindjuju | imagemagick was very quick no probs that i remember |
| 20:15.52 | brasto | my local host, i want to use for test server, and it's php 5.1.x |
| 20:16.30 | mindjuju | bigdog_ut prolly fell asleep or something |
| 20:16.36 | mindjuju | might have to slap him around to wake him |
| 20:16.44 | mindjuju | ~macattack bigdog_ut |
| 20:16.46 | jbot | ACTION uses jumper cables to stun bigdog_ut! |
| 20:18.16 | mindjuju | ~macattack bigdog_ut |
| 20:18.18 | jbot | ACTION jumps on bell rope, causing bell to hit bigdog_ut! |
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| 20:22.45 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: hey, check your email. I sent you a comment about gradefix |
| 20:23.33 | brasto | how do i register my nickname so i can send PMs? |
| 20:23.52 | brasto | the documentation doesn't make much sense |
| 20:25.09 | mindjuju | if i remember it is /register TYPEPASSWORDHERE |
| 20:25.36 | mindjuju | it will register to you the nick your currently using provided itn's not registered already |
| 20:26.43 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: thanks! I just replied |
| 20:29.15 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: cool. It looks good now! |
| 20:29.21 | macnewbold | great! |
| 20:29.41 | macnewbold | I think we sent an email to your brother, and to mindjuju's brother, yesterday about it |
| 20:29.49 | mindjuju | coo |
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| 20:36.31 | wps | anyone know attribute to use to call my javascript (would go in the opening body tag) every time the browser is refreshed |
| 20:37.53 | wps | onresize? |
| 20:38.13 | mindjuju | <body onLoad="yourtag()> |
| 20:38.30 | wps | wouldn't that only fire when the page is first loaded? |
| 20:38.56 | mindjuju | hmmm... i though it was on every load, but let me double check |
| 20:39.32 | wps | yeah… onload only does it the first time |
| 20:39.38 | wps | resizing your browse isn't reloading the page |
| 20:40.04 | mindjuju | oh, i see what you mean by refresh |
| 20:40.08 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 20:40.42 | wps | oops |
| 20:40.47 | wps | sorry, I just realized I typoed |
| 20:40.54 | wps | s/refreshed/resized |
| 20:40.56 | wps | s/refreshed/resized/ |
| 20:41.11 | wps | anyone know attribute to use to call my javascript (would go in the opening body tag) every time the browser is resized |
| 20:47.33 | mindjuju | wps, i'm still looking but i think your right, onResize seems to be the only one so far |
| 20:47.34 | mindjuju | <body onResize="javascript:alert('yo sup')"></body> |
| 20:47.58 | wps | yeah… and it works… it's just buggy |
| 20:48.03 | wps | causing the browser(s) to freak out |
| 20:48.13 | mindjuju | i've found this site about the browser compatibility on js events |
| 20:48.14 | mindjuju | http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events_compinfo.html |
| 20:48.22 | mindjuju | it seems to say that resize should be legal |
| 21:05.44 | brasto | does phpinfo() say where php source files are? |
| 21:09.42 | brasto | i can see several dirs, but none say specifically where php source files are |
| 21:10.50 | brasto | i have a /usr/bin/php5, a /usr/lib/php5, a /usr/lib/php5/bin, etc/php5, and more... |
| 21:19.27 | macnewbold | brasto: yes, it does usually |
| 21:19.34 | macnewbold | I think it's in the very top section |
| 21:21.31 | brasto | --prefix, --datadir, or --mandir? |
| 21:21.42 | brasto | oh, mandir would be for the man pages... |
| 21:22.59 | brasto | macnewbold, is it one of those? --prefix, or --datadir? |
| 21:23.58 | brasto | or perhaps --bindir? |
| 21:24.23 | bigdog_ut | bindir should be the one |
| 21:24.31 | brasto | i'm asking because i want to run phpize and install a php PECL extension, and i'm not sure where to put it |
| 21:24.35 | bigdog_ut | if it is not there then it is in the standard one /usr/bin |
| 21:24.50 | bigdog_ut | where are you installing this extension? |
| 21:24.54 | brasto | bigdog_ut, I'm installing imagick |
| 21:25.05 | bigdog_ut | locally? |
| 21:25.21 | brasto | yes |
| 21:26.03 | bigdog_ut | what os you running? |
| 21:26.34 | brasto | SuSE Linux 10.1 |
| 21:26.45 | bigdog_ut | try: which phpize |
| 21:26.48 | bigdog_ut | and see where it is |
| 21:27.09 | brasto | in konsole? |
| 21:27.14 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 21:27.34 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 21:27.59 | brasto | i got nothing but the prompt back |
| 21:28.18 | brasto | perhaps because of '--disable-cli' |
| 21:28.21 | brasto | ? |
| 21:28.27 | bigdog_ut | yeah that might do it |
| 21:28.37 | bigdog_ut | did you roll your own php? |
| 21:29.17 | brasto | no, i used the SuSE YaST package |
| 21:29.28 | brasto | if you know what that is... |
| 21:29.40 | brasto | YaST is the package manager |
| 21:29.55 | bigdog_ut | no...i hate suse...but you should be able to install the php cli from it |
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| 21:30.49 | brasto | lol, I just use SuSE because I live close to Novel, and if I know it well, it may open a future door. |
| 21:31.13 | brasto | it also seems to work with my nvidia card better than some of the others. |
| 21:31.15 | bigdog_ut | no worries |
| 21:37.50 | brasto | anyone used "gallery" on sourceforge.net |
| 21:38.05 | wps | many of us |
| 21:38.11 | wps | it's very popular |
| 21:38.55 | brasto | it's the top news item right now if i remember right. |
| 21:39.06 | wps | where? |
| 21:39.23 | wps | oh… on sf.net |
| 21:39.29 | brasto | http://sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 21:39.33 | brasto | yes |
| 21:39.39 | wps | Gallery 2 is out though |
| 21:39.46 | wps | so it's only news for those that haven't upgraded |
| 21:40.19 | brasto | lol, why make that the top news item then? |
| 21:40.28 | wps | you got me |
| 21:40.57 | mindjuju | oh wow! |
| 21:41.24 | mindjuju | "report carried out last year showed that the average age of a child's first cell phone was just eight years" |
| 21:41.34 | wps | that's stupid |
| 21:41.45 | mindjuju | it gets worse |
| 21:41.48 | mindjuju | "and is expected to drop closer to 5 years of age this year." |
| 21:42.09 | mindjuju | http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39029453,49282815,00.htm |
| 21:44.13 | brasto | i saw a child with a cell at the park just yesterday |
| 21:44.36 | brasto | i was suprised for a sec, then i thought, "oh, it's probably his parent's phone" |
| 21:44.39 | brasto | maybe not... |
| 21:45.14 | brasto | can anyone see me at http://71.36.67.124 |
| 21:45.28 | wps | yes |
| 21:45.35 | mindjuju | i see the webpage |
| 21:45.40 | mindjuju | is there suppose to be web cam? |
| 21:46.36 | brasto | no, just seeing if I'm public |
| 21:46.48 | brasto | im dhcp, so it changes, but not often |
| 21:47.04 | mindjuju | k, i hate to do this, but here is something that may be of interest to people here. |
| 21:47.07 | brasto | it's my test server/localhost |
| 21:47.11 | mindjuju | IE7 and standards compliance - Microsoft's Chris Wilson charts progress - http://blogs.zdnet.com/web2explorer/?p=260 |
| 21:47.52 | brasto | the php info link shows what i was talking about earlier with bigdog_ut and macnewbold |
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| 21:51.27 | mindjuju | bummer, they dodged the acid2 test saying it isn't very important |
| 21:52.45 | mindjuju | wow, i love this in regards to CSS2.1 spec, they are above 50% compatible and below 90% |
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| 22:18.26 | brasto | wps, which gallery package do you recommend? |
| 22:18.41 | brasto | developer? full? typical? |
| 22:18.50 | brasto | anybody else recommend a version? |
| 22:20.05 | wps | no need for dev |
| 22:20.16 | wps | I always have just done full since I don't care about space |
| 22:24.31 | macnewbold | the space of the gallery code is probably tiny compared to all the pictures that go with it |
| 22:26.55 | mindjuju | fo sho |
| 22:31.09 | brasto | yes, i'll look into limiting user photo space before i allow users to register. |
| 22:32.58 | brasto | why don't people start moving from gz to bz2? it compresses better - i'd think it would save bandwidth for large sf projects like gallery. |
| 22:33.35 | brasto | are there really that many people left who can't unbz2? |
| 22:35.21 | brasto | there's my little rant of the day... at least i'm not on dial up anymore... |
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| 22:57.02 | mindjuju | somebody prolly needs a lart in here... who is it going to be? |
| 22:57.05 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 22:57.40 | macnewbold | oooh, really scary, jbot |
| 22:57.52 | mindjuju | yeah, that was pretty lame |
| 22:57.57 | macnewbold | I don't know why, but jbot's randomizer likes RyanE |
| 22:58.10 | wps | who is the poor soul with such a boring life that he had time to site around and type all of those in? |
| 22:58.13 | mindjuju | yup, noticed it |
| 22:58.26 | wps | s/site/sit/ |
| 22:58.44 | wps | man I love that feature |
| 22:58.50 | wps | I wish that would work when talking with your wife |
| 22:59.07 | wps | being able to correct something that just came out wrong would be a dream |
| 22:59.12 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:59.21 | macnewbold | yeah, seriously |
| 22:59.44 | macnewbold | whoever decided that we should have to think before speaking, instead of immediately after, should be forced to reconsider |
| 22:59.51 | wps | an history-aware verbal search and replace tool |
| 23:00.06 | wps | Google should get on that |
| 23:00.18 | mindjuju | we should talk about the uphpu bbq at this months meet |
| 23:03.35 | brasto | sometimes, when saying something stupid without thinking before hand to wife, i can say "doh!" and get away with it. |
| 23:03.41 | brasto | but that doesn't usually work. |
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| 23:43.54 | synic | new version of exaile folks... get it while it's hot and all that. http://exaile.org/files/exaile_0.2b5_i386.deb |