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| 12:56.28 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
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| 13:37.41 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 13:40.07 | drip | it seems RyanE_ always gets the wrath of the rlart. |
| 13:40.33 | mindjuju | i hadn't noticed until you mentioned it, but yeah |
| 13:40.49 | drip | ~rlart |
| 13:40.59 | drip | doh |
| 13:41.41 | mindjuju | drip, you should do it 10x in a row to see how many times ryanE comes up |
| 13:42.16 | drip | ha ha.. that doesn't help the odds |
| 13:42.21 | mindjuju | yup |
| 13:42.26 | mindjuju | hope we didn't hurt his feelings |
| 13:44.33 | drip | everyone needs a good larting every once in a whil |
| 13:44.41 | drip | who stole my e? |
| 13:45.01 | mindjuju | macnewbold prolly needs a REALLY good larting |
| 13:45.06 | mindjuju | ~lart macnewbold |
| 13:45.09 | drip | lol.. probably |
| 13:45.13 | drip | ~lart macnewbold |
| 13:45.28 | mindjuju | ~lart macnewbold |
| 13:45.43 | drip | oooh.. don't know if I can follow that one |
| 13:45.52 | mindjuju | yup |
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| 14:19.10 | mindjuju | wooHoo!!! Utahans breed the fastest! |
| 14:19.12 | mindjuju | http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4183423?source=rss |
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| 14:27.35 | mindjuju | hey wps |
| 14:35.08 | mindjuju | ~wake macnewbold |
| 14:35.09 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on macnewbold and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 14:38.27 | wps | hi |
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| 22:34.53 | *** topic/#uphpu is meeting Thursday @ 7: Internationalization and localization | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 22:37.43 | macnewbold | ~welcome jbot |
| 22:37.44 | jbot | [all in unison] Hi, jbot! |
| 22:38.02 | bigdog_ut | ~lart jbot |
| 22:38.07 | mindjuju | hey, jbot is back |
| 22:38.14 | bigdog_ut | ~fart mindjuju |
| 22:38.16 | jbot | ACTION farts in mindjuju's general direction |
| 22:38.26 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 22:38.43 | bigdog_ut | ~slap jbot |
| 22:38.44 | jbot | ACTION slaps jbot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:38.44 | mindjuju | ~macattack bigdog_ut |
| 22:38.47 | jbot | ACTION uses flame, duct pipe and a cinch belt to launch a beer keg at bigdog_ut! |
| 22:39.26 | mindjuju | where bdhit and dhit use kung fu; the macnewbold attack (macattack) uses mcGuiver type attacks |
| 22:39.47 | mindjuju | ~macattack brasto |
| 22:39.48 | jbot | ACTION mixes nitrate, cellulose and acide to make nitor manite and lobs it at brasto... Boom ! |
| 22:40.14 | mindjuju | a couple of misspelled words, i'll have to fix it when i get a chance |
| 22:42.10 | brasto | brasto says "ouch!" |
| 22:46.23 | bigdog_ut | anyone got a good globe icon image |
| 22:47.06 | mindjuju | how big? |
| 22:47.06 | wps | http://www.planetaryvisions.com/satmap/globe.jpg |
| 22:47.25 | bigdog_ut | that is nice |
| 22:47.31 | wps | ;) |
| 22:47.31 | bigdog_ut | small...but i can shrink it |
| 22:47.42 | wps | that doesn't make any sense |
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| 22:57.59 | bigdog_ut | i know i was doing 2 things at once |
| 22:58.44 | bigdog_ut | im doing some mapping stuff so i was thinking it needs to be small |
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| 23:30.25 | mindjuju | ugh |
| 23:30.37 | mindjuju | somebody remind me to kick bill gates the next time i see him |
| 23:31.16 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 23:31.22 | bigdog_ut | ~kick mindjuju |
| 23:31.24 | jbot | bugger off, bigdog_ut! |
| 23:31.48 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm kick proof |
| 23:32.24 | *** kick/#uphpu [mindjuju!n=bigdog@208.177.146.102.ptr.us.xo.net] by bigdog_ut (bigdog_ut) |
| 23:32.37 | bigdog_ut | ~bam bigdog_ut |
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| 23:32.58 | mindjuju | ;p |
| 23:33.01 | bigdog_ut | ;) |
| 23:33.20 | mindjuju | every .net programmer i know can't write code worth crap |
| 23:33.39 | mindjuju | i'm looking at this database schema that this .net "guru" created |
| 23:33.47 | bigdog_ut | i think that goes for every programmer |
| 23:33.49 | mindjuju | frickin' like 30 fields most are null |
| 23:34.08 | mindjuju | now, i know .net programming is different from database |
| 23:34.23 | mindjuju | but he said he knew database programming too |
| 23:34.56 | mindjuju | i swear, when the whole point of .net 2.0 is that they abstract the "hard stuff" away from you and that you can now write 70% less code |
| 23:35.03 | mindjuju | that means either 1. your dumb |
| 23:35.17 | mindjuju | or 2. you don't know how to program so they are "doing it for you" |
| 23:35.28 | mindjuju | which in essence means, you can't program |
| 23:38.13 | bigdog_ut | depends really |
| 23:38.36 | bigdog_ut | if it helps your development cost it might be okay for you roi |
| 23:38.45 | brasto | and if you let M$.net program for you, you know it'll be bloated |
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| 23:39.19 | wps | if you use any program to program for you you'll have bloat |
| 23:40.09 | bigdog_ut | depends on how you define program |
| 23:40.19 | bigdog_ut | there are some tools out there that are killer |
| 23:40.34 | mindjuju | ok, tis true, there are some very knowledgeable people who know theory who can also program in .net |
| 23:40.50 | wps | sure… but it is still impossible for it to write code as lean as a human can |
| 23:41.43 | wps | not saying that you shouldn't use something automated… it could save you a lot of time |
| 23:43.20 | brasto | unless it's from microsoft, then it will cost a lot, and it'll be overly bloated... |
| 23:43.29 | mindjuju | but all in all, when a language is written specifically to abstract the hard stuff away, then your more likely to have programmer programming things they ought not be. |
| 23:43.46 | mindjuju | because they don't understand the all the ramifications of what they do |
| 23:43.49 | wps | tchau |
| 23:47.43 | bigdog_ut | all langs are abstracted to some extent |
| 23:48.36 | mindjuju | v true, but you know what i'm getting at |
| 23:48.56 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 23:49.13 | mindjuju | if memory recalls, wasn't it you that was saying that you didn't like PHP for that very reason? |
| 23:49.16 | bigdog_ut | im just saying that you cant blame people for using a product like that though |
| 23:49.25 | mindjuju | or was that dataw0lf? it was one of you |
| 23:49.40 | bigdog_ut | i dont like php cause it is not a typed lang |
| 23:49.48 | bigdog_ut | you can get away with alot of crap |
| 23:49.56 | mindjuju | exactly my point |
| 23:50.08 | bigdog_ut | i dont blame guys for the bloat...but i blame them for creating it in php |
| 23:50.32 | bigdog_ut | but if you have a tool doing it for you i dont blame u for using the tool |
| 23:50.40 | bigdog_ut | i blame the tool |
| 23:50.56 | mindjuju | yeah! that's why i wanted to kick Bill Gates! |
| 23:51.01 | mindjuju | blame the guy who made the tol |
| 23:51.04 | bigdog_ut | but seeing that there is no dreamweaver or frontpage for php...i blame the programmer |
| 23:51.06 | mindjuju | s/tol/tool |
| 23:51.13 | synic | python fope lyfe! |
| 23:51.16 | synic | j/k :P |
| 23:51.45 | bigdog_ut | i agree with synic python is the best of both worls |
| 23:51.47 | bigdog_ut | worlds |
| 23:52.40 | mindjuju | that's what i hear, i bought a book for python, just need to read it |
| 23:53.31 | mindjuju | ~macattack bigdog_ut |
| 23:53.33 | jbot | ACTION uses flame, duct pipe and a cinch belt to launch a beer keg at bigdog_ut! |
| 23:53.47 | bigdog_ut | ~pimpslap mindjuju |
| 23:53.48 | jbot | bigdog_ut pimpslaps mindjuju. ouch! |
| 23:53.55 | bigdog_ut | better |
| 23:54.33 | bigdog_ut | but you felt it brother |
| 23:54.34 | mindjuju | that was more like a wimpslap |
| 23:56.39 | mindjuju | i actually like writing code in dreamweaver because it highlights everything real pretty, but since it can't render the CSS properly (nor write it for that matter) i stick mainly in code view |
| 23:56.59 | mindjuju | i keep on meaning to try out eclipse though |
| 23:57.34 | bigdog_ut | it is killer |
| 23:58.45 | mindjuju | my right hook, now that's a killer, my quick wit -- that's a killer, eclipse -- eh, i'll get round to trying it out |
| 23:59.39 | mindjuju | ugh, i'm just looking for trouble cause i don't want to look at this 30 column table in -1 normal form |
