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| 06:30.30 | *** topic/#uphpu is Meeting Thursday: interface developmentâstructure and content |
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| 17:30.24 | wps | I am tired of AJAX hype |
| 17:30.32 | wps | and tired of people calling it a language or a platform |
| 17:30.36 | wps | it's just javascript |
| 17:31.12 | macnewbold | amen, brother |
| 17:31.45 | macnewbold | we did a project using it long before they ever started calling it AJAX |
| 17:32.05 | macnewbold | as soon as xmlhttp-requests were supported in a few browsers, AJAX as possible |
| 17:32.31 | macnewbold | s/as possible/was possible. it was only after that they named it that/ |
| 17:32.52 | macnewbold | s/it that/it AJAX./ |
| 17:33.03 | macnewbold | third try is the charm... |
| 17:37.59 | fungus | But you have to admit, it is a cool idea / technology. |
| 17:38.38 | fungus | and the stupid name has given it more press, hence more people doing really cool stuff. |
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| 19:02.37 | macnewbold | yeah, AJAX is a great technology, and it's nice to have a short name to call it by, but it has gotten way more hype than it deserves, IMHO, |
| 19:03.13 | macnewbold | and the biggest problem is, like usual, everyone thinks the latest fad is now "the only way to go", and ignores all the great technology that's probably a better match for their needs |
| 19:04.24 | macnewbold | there are way too many people picking technology solutions for non-technical reasons (fads/trends, peer pressure, always picking their favorite [language|toolkit|...] regardless of whether it is the right tool for the job) |
| 19:04.46 | macnewbold | what's the point of having a lot of different tools and technologies available if you're not going to use the one that best fits the task at hand |
| 19:07.41 | macnewbold | My AJAX metaphor of the day: AJAX is a bright shiny new-fangled combination power screw-drill and chainsaw. It just came out recently, and now everyone thinks they need to have one, and use it as often as possible. If you need to cut down a tree then screw something to the stump, it's probably a good tool for the job. But if you try and use it where a regular screw-drill would fit better, you'll probably end up causing a lot of peripheral damage and maybe rea |
| 19:17.30 | fungus | AJAX is the new Dremel tool |
| 19:17.47 | macnewbold | sure, that works |
| 19:17.58 | macnewbold | and a lot of people are trying to cut down trees with Dremel tools these days |
| 19:24.15 | fungus | yup |
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| 23:53.22 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 23:53.44 | mindjuju | ~lart macnewbold |
| 23:53.53 | macnewbold | ~bonk mindjuju |
| 23:53.54 | jbot | ACTION bonks mindjuju over the head |
| 23:53.55 | macnewbold | what's up? |
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| 23:54.04 | mindjuju | hey, you going to the meet today? |
| 23:54.11 | macnewbold | of course :) |
| 23:54.15 | macnewbold | you coming too? |
| 23:54.18 | mindjuju | i've got the poll almost done |
| 23:54.21 | mindjuju | yup, i'll be there |
| 23:54.22 | macnewbold | awesome |
| 23:54.27 | macnewbold | let's see how it goes :) |
| 23:54.31 | mindjuju | it says |
| 23:54.31 | mindjuju | Select all that are in your primary job description |
| 23:54.43 | macnewbold | I'll volunteer for math duty if nobody objects |
| 23:54.54 | mindjuju | and it has sys admin, web dev, graphic design db admin it infrastructure call center suport and network support tech |
| 23:55.06 | mindjuju | cool so far? |
| 23:55.16 | macnewbold | yeah, sounds good to me |
| 23:55.22 | mindjuju | k, then it says |
| 23:55.27 | mindjuju | years experience in your primary role |
| 23:55.33 | mindjuju | cool? |
| 23:55.47 | macnewbold | maybe leave room for a writein on the job descr. if anyone wants to |
| 23:55.49 | macnewbold | and it sounds great |
| 23:56.09 | mindjuju | just added space for primary job descript |
| 23:56.12 | mindjuju | next line says |
| 23:56.17 | mindjuju | yearly wage for your primary role |
| 23:56.39 | mindjuju | cool? |
| 23:57.03 | macnewbold | sure |
| 23:57.06 | macnewbold | if you want to make it interesting, |
| 23:57.18 | mindjuju | k, then i added one last field that says hourly rate for consulting |
| 23:57.33 | macnewbold | you could add sometihng about whether they thing they're being paid fairly, too little, or well, or what they thing they should be getting for what they do |
| 23:57.38 | macnewbold | sure, sounds good |
| 23:58.18 | mindjuju | added, anything else? |
| 23:58.28 | macnewbold | not that I can think of |
| 23:58.37 | mindjuju | k, i'll have these ready for today |
| 23:59.35 | macnewbold | sweetness |
| 23:59.52 | macnewbold | we're about to leave, so we can grab some food at Wendy's and pick up fungus at 6:30 and be there on time |