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| 04:23.15 | bigdog_ut | interface development sucks!!! |
| 04:29.41 | bigdog_ut | where oh where did the group go... |
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| 04:37.59 | bigdog_ut | anyone seen dataw0lf at all? |
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| 16:05.17 | mindjuju | we should plan out the uphpu bbq at this meet on thursday |
| 16:06.37 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:17.55 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 17:18.08 | mindjuju | yipes |
| 17:19.04 | herlo | ~rlart |
| 17:19.31 | herlo | wow, man that's gotta hurt |
| 17:26.29 | fungus | ~lart mindjuju |
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| 17:47.14 | herlo | ~abuse _psychic_ |
| 17:47.15 | jbot | ACTION smacks _psychic_ across the face. "Take that, sucker!" |
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| 17:56.35 | mindjuju | we should do that wage poll at this week's meet. |
| 17:57.06 | _psychic_ | it'd be a little hard to craft :/ |
| 17:57.21 | mindjuju | maybe a quick little piece of paper saying what your wage is, what you do and how long you've been doing it |
| 17:57.39 | _psychic_ | and where you live |
| 18:00.35 | macnewbold | if we ask for enough info to be useful, it's already non-anonymous, because for almost any person in the group who I know reasonably well, if you gave me wage, job, and years of experience, and location, I'd be able to tell you who it was |
| 18:01.00 | mindjuju | so maybe just wage and general description? |
| 18:04.34 | fungus | even then, there aren't enough people to make that anonymous. |
| 18:04.45 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 18:04.59 | fungus | It would take at least 15-20 people to make even a general description pseudo anonymous. |
| 18:05.16 | mindjuju | true that |
| 18:05.40 | mindjuju | fungus, don't you do linux network admin stuff? |
| 18:05.50 | fungus | BSD! |
| 18:05.55 | fungus | yup |
| 18:05.58 | mindjuju | ah |
| 18:06.15 | mindjuju | yeah, true - k so no descriptions? |
| 18:06.39 | mindjuju | should we not do the poll or just put how much we make? |
| 18:06.55 | mindjuju | not sure if knowing an income is beneficial without knowing a skill set |
| 18:07.08 | mindjuju | might make the point of the poll moot |
| 18:07.11 | fungus | agreed. |
| 18:08.40 | mindjuju | i wonder if we could do it a different way |
| 18:08.53 | macnewbold | I agree |
| 18:09.15 | macnewbold | if everyone submitted everything anonymously and someone made a graph or something, would that work? |
| 18:09.18 | mindjuju | anyways, we all know that macnewbold is making bank |
| 18:09.33 | mindjuju | prolly owns one by now |
| 18:09.34 | fungus | right. :) |
| 18:09.54 | macnewbold | yeah, uhuh. come up with numbers or ranges maybe that are by location, or by job function, or by experience, but not all at once? |
| 18:09.59 | fungus | And everyone knows I am getting screwed. |
| 18:10.00 | macnewbold | or just get more people to do it :) |
| 18:10.54 | macnewbold | what if it was just income and experience? woudl taht be enough? |
| 18:11.10 | mindjuju | experience as a year amount or a skill set? |
| 18:11.16 | macnewbold | year amount |
| 18:11.29 | macnewbold | years of experience doing current work description |
| 18:11.43 | macnewbold | i.e. sysadmin, web developer, graphic designer, whatever |
| 18:12.10 | mindjuju | you know, that's a good idea |
| 18:12.12 | macnewbold | maybe be generic with the jobs: programmer, designer, mixed, sysadmin |
| 18:12.30 | macnewbold | the experience will determine it more than the job functoin I think |
| 18:12.41 | mindjuju | true |
| 18:13.21 | macnewbold | at least it would give us a range |
| 18:13.31 | mindjuju | so, a form saying wage, circle the general job descrip and num years for that descrip |
| 18:13.43 | macnewbold | yeah, something like tat could probably work |
| 18:13.50 | mindjuju | opt in of course |
| 18:14.06 | macnewbold | they'd have to be generic job descrips, so we don't know specifics like languages, database preferences, or employer |
| 18:14.17 | macnewbold | circle more than one where they apply maybe |
| 18:14.46 | macnewbold | one of the job descripts might have to be something about self employed and/or business owner, since that affects things too |
| 18:15.01 | mindjuju | well, what about the list that you made above |
| 18:15.20 | mindjuju | sysadmin, web dev, graphic design, db admin |
| 18:15.58 | mindjuju | hmmm... we should probably add something like telephony so that jsmith could mark that, though, that'd prolly give it away |
| 18:15.59 | macnewbold | yeah, add a few more and that's probably good |
| 18:16.20 | macnewbold | maybe mix in I.T. infrastructure or something like that |
| 18:17.08 | fungus | also add in General technical whipping boy. |
| 18:17.22 | macnewbold | of course this would only apply to hourly work/salary income, not residual income from say a product you sell or something? |
| 18:17.36 | mindjuju | true |
| 18:17.39 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 18:17.46 | macnewbold | but that's not part of your wage anyway |
| 18:17.50 | macnewbold | which is what we care about |
| 18:17.53 | macnewbold | I think :) |
| 18:19.27 | mindjuju | so, i've got -- sysadmin, web dev, graphic design, db admin, it infrastructure, call center tech support, network support technician |
| 20:13.28 | Utah_Dave | wps: what does "font: 76%/135%" mean in a css file? |
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| 20:23.30 | macnewbold | that's weird |
| 20:23.46 | macnewbold | perhaps it is text height over line height? But I've never seen that before. |
| 20:24.05 | macnewbold | does w3schools say anything about that being valid? |
| 20:27.03 | Utah_Dave | I'm not sure. I thought it was weird too |
| 20:27.31 | wps | means that percentage from the base font size |
| 20:31.57 | Utah_Dave | ok, that makes some sense, because removing that did change the font size |
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| 21:13.38 | macnewbold | so what does the slash in the middle mean? 76%/135%? what's that supposed to do? |
| 21:20.42 | wps | I assumed that he just combining two examples into oen |
| 21:20.47 | wps | s/oen/one/ |
| 21:21.03 | macnewbold | oh, okay, so the slash isn't really a valid css thing |
| 21:24.44 | wps | no |
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