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| 16:42.23 | diskotec|w | ah man... wps left. anyone else here have any graphics knowledge? |
| 16:43.29 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:43.32 | macnewbold | I've got some |
| 16:43.46 | wps_ | i'm here |
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| 16:44.02 | diskotec|w | Just want to know why a .png (w/ transparent background) I created in gimp would have a white background in IE. When looking at the .png in firefox it looks fine |
| 16:44.28 | Utah_Dave | IE can't handle transparency in .png yet |
| 16:44.31 | wps | did you save it as PNG-8 or PNG-24? |
| 16:44.46 | macnewbold | you can add a .js hack to "fix" the png in IE |
| 16:44.52 | diskotec|w | eh...I don't remember |
| 16:45.04 | wps | MSIE can handle transparency in PNGs… just not translucency (differs) |
| 16:45.08 | macnewbold | or you can make it a gif instead of a png, but gif doesn't have true alpha channels, just 100% transparent pixels |
| 16:45.21 | macnewbold | right, and the same works in a png |
| 16:45.43 | macnewbold | anything more than 50% transparent becomes 100% transparent in MSIE, and anything less becomes 0% transparent |
| 16:45.50 | diskotec|w | hmm... I don't know .js very good....I'll give it a shot using .gif |
| 16:46.07 | macnewbold | google for pngfix and such, and you'llg et a bunch |
| 16:46.08 | wps | for clarification, diskotec|w, are you looking for transparency or translucency? |
| 16:46.13 | macnewbold | they're just js files you include in your page |
| 16:46.17 | macnewbold | and they do the magic |
| 16:46.19 | diskotec|w | transparency |
| 16:46.28 | wps | I'd just use a gif |
| 16:46.30 | macnewbold | of passing the pngs thorugh an activex alpha channel filter |
| 16:47.41 | diskotec|w | cool thanks |
| 16:49.05 | diskotec|w | I'll give both a shot... .gif and I'll see if I can track down a .js fix |
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| 16:50.50 | wps | if you just want transparency though, MSIE should be able to handle that with PNGs |
| 16:51.27 | diskotec|w | I'm working with a simple text logo that is black at the moment. If I decide to give it a 3d metallic look, I'll keep the .js fix in mind. |
| 16:52.08 | wps | cool |
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| 19:08.56 | mindjuj1 | ~rlart |
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| 20:43.10 | Utah_Dave | ~rlart |
| 21:04.15 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
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| 22:21.19 | mindjuj1 | ~rlart |
| 22:21.28 | mindjuj1 | what the jones! |
| 22:21.34 | mindjuj1 | ~insult jbot |
| 22:21.41 | _psychic_ | eww |
| 22:21.44 | mindjuj1 | ~rlart |
| 22:22.05 | mindjuj1 | hmmm... the random lart hit wps twice |
| 22:25.29 | Utah_Dave | ~rlart |
| 22:25.54 | wps | looks like we'll have a good turn out at the meetin |
| 22:26.04 | macnewbold | I hope so |
| 22:26.06 | wps | you guys want me to prepare stuff or just be ready to code like a mad man |
| 22:26.14 | wps | …examples that you want to see |
| 22:27.49 | wps | I almost think that we'll get further and people will get more out of it if we don't waste time with slides explaining things… if we just get to the "okay, give me a scenario… what do you want to see? or show me a site and I'll recode it how I think it should be coded" |
| 22:33.34 | macnewbold | if you want to take a nice table-based site where the columns flow nicely to fit the content (widths are flexible) and match it in css, I'd love to see that |
| 22:37.19 | Utah_Dave | I'd love to see more css to solve common layout issues |
| 22:38.12 | wps | I'll do it for anyone except macnewbold |
| 22:38.31 | wps | simply because I know that I'll never be able to please him :) |
| 22:38.58 | _psychic_ | I'll never go back to tables |
| 22:41.05 | wps | I'd like to know what others think about this article and my comment: http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20060712222623101#comments |
| 22:41.08 | wps | (on our site) |
| 22:41.21 | fungus | ~lart Utah_Dave |
| 22:41.29 | wps | ouch |
| 22:44.19 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.22 | wps | check this out |
| 22:44.22 | wps | http://thesmithfam.org/blog/ |
| 22:44.29 | wps | from Dave Smith's blog |
| 22:44.34 | wps | that is hilarious |
| 22:44.37 | wps | (first post) |
| 22:45.51 | _psychic_ | wps: that's way better than captcha |
| 22:46.03 | wps | my idea? |
| 22:46.13 | wps | that logic question approach? |
| 22:46.14 | _psychic_ | logic questions rather than distorted images |
| 22:46.26 | _psychic_ | friendly to blind people too |
| 22:46.49 | wps | personally, I'd rather enter that anyway… I hate trying to read those distorted images |
| 22:58.47 | synic_ | but what about those people who don't know what two plus forty-six is?! |
| 23:00.19 | wps | :) |
| 23:02.31 | macnewbold | be careful with stuff like math questions written out in text... they're even easier to circumvent than CAPTCHA, since you don't have to do the OCR step, just parse english numerical terms |
| 23:03.29 | wps | what about stuff like "What color was Washington's white horse?" |
| 23:04.12 | wps | or "type hippopotamus backwards" |
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| 23:16.10 | macnewbold | natural language understanding is pretty far along, but joe blow hacker couldn't circumvent it reliably very easily. But if they had a 1% chance of getting a "type ___ backwards" test, they could get in within 100 tries quite easily. |