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| 02:18.40 | diskotec|w | ~rlart |
| 02:19.00 | _psychic_ | ~lart diskotec|w |
| 02:19.12 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 02:19.18 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 02:21.50 | _psychic_ | ~rlart |
| 02:22.17 | _psychic_ | I still maintain my theory that over half the discussion in this channel involves the bot. |
| 02:28.51 | mindjuju | ~melvin psychic |
| 02:28.52 | jbot | ACTION pulls psychic underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 02:29.23 | _psychic_ | ~shakespeare mindjuju |
| 02:29.25 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: mindjuju - Thou reeky earth-vexing dewberry! |
| 02:29.51 | mindjuju | ~dhit _psychic_ |
| 02:29.52 | jbot | ACTION appears on _psychic_'s left side and performs the Ricer Slayer Blow upon _psychic_'s shoulder |
| 02:30.59 | mindjuju | ~lie |
| 02:31.00 | jbot | The moon is made of cheese |
| 02:31.00 | mindjuju | ~insult |
| 02:31.00 | mindjuju | ~fishslap |
| 02:31.02 | mindjuju | ~emusmack |
| 02:31.03 | jbot | ACTION beats emu with an ostrich |
| 02:31.03 | mindjuju | ~curse |
| 02:31.04 | jbot | somebody said swearing was Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker |
| 02:31.04 | mindjuju | ~fundieslap |
| 02:31.05 | mindjuju | ~burn |
| 02:31.07 | jbot | "And it burns burns burns... the ring of fire..." |
| 02:31.07 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt |
| 02:31.08 | mindjuju | ~frenchassault |
| 02:31.10 | mindjuju | ~nyuk |
| 02:31.46 | mindjuju | whoops, didn't mean to include the ~ |
| 02:31.49 | mindjuju | now jbot seems pissed |
| 02:31.52 | _psychic_ | holy crap |
| 02:31.59 | _psychic_ | where'd you get that list? |
| 02:32.03 | _psychic_ | trial and error?! |
| 02:32.04 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 02:32.10 | mindjuju | i wrote most |
| 02:32.22 | mindjuju | the rest i discovered and documented when others incanted |
| 02:33.23 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 02:33.27 | mindjuju | i've got some more martial arts ones i want to program for actual fighting but ain't had time to get around to it |
| 02:33.43 | _psychic_ | ~roundhouse torso |
| 02:33.47 | mindjuju | though you can kinda do it with |
| 02:33.53 | _psychic_ | ~jab |
| 02:33.57 | _psychic_ | like that? |
| 02:33.58 | mindjuju | ~bdhit _psychic_ |
| 02:34.10 | mindjuju | ~bdhit _psychic_ |
| 02:34.11 | _psychic_ | I think you offended him. |
| 02:34.16 | mindjuju | yeah, maybe |
| 02:34.24 | mindjuju | oh, you know what I'm ignored for 5 minutes |
| 02:34.37 | mindjuju | but try bdhit on macnewbold |
| 02:34.57 | _psychic_ | 'love to |
| 02:35.00 | _psychic_ | ~bdhit macnewbold |
| 02:35.01 | jbot | ACTION and _psychic_ demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on macnewbold's forehead |
| 02:35.08 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 02:35.17 | mindjuju | bdhit actually standsfor bigdog_ut hit |
| 02:35.34 | mindjuju | it is a command of random attacks that he and dataw0lf had once |
| 02:35.48 | _psychic_ | nice |
| 02:35.48 | mindjuju | the dataw0lf side is dhit |
| 02:36.14 | _psychic_ | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 02:36.26 | jbot | dataw0lf <n=dataw0lf@70.103.239.58> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 55d 20h 39m 52s ago, saying: 'link seems dead, levi.'. |
| 02:36.26 | mindjuju | yeah, i emailed that guy like 3 weeks ago |
| 02:36.37 | _psychic_ | he had to think about that one a while |
| 02:36.40 | _psychic_ | hope he's okay |
| 02:36.49 | mindjuju | it's prolly a girl |
| 02:37.12 | _psychic_ | hehe |
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| 18:10.51 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:10.54 | macnewbold | that doesn't get old |
| 18:11.02 | macnewbold | well, maybe to you |
| 18:11.40 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 18:19.30 | mindjuju | ~dhit macnewbold |
| 18:19.32 | jbot | ACTION performs Dog Collar of the Heavens on macnewbold |
| 18:19.39 | mindjuju | ouch |
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| 18:27.54 | _psychic_ | ~lart mindjuju |
| 18:28.06 | wps | jbot, what kind of laser? |
| 18:30.55 | _psychic_ | that's classified information. |
| 18:31.04 | _psychic_ | go poking around like that and you could be next, mister. |
| 18:32.54 | wps | :) |
| 18:34.57 | _psychic_ | Anyone ever wonder how their current salary stacks up to others, but you're always afraid to ask what other people make? :) |
| 18:39.22 | fungus | of course I think that a lot. |
| 18:40.38 | fungus | I also suffer from the reverse. I don't like to tell people how much I make, cause it can be pretty embarrassing. |
| 18:40.47 | _psychic_ | Yeah I think the same |
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| 19:08.20 | synic | I guess that means no one is going to say how much they make then? 'cause I'm curious too. |
| 19:08.23 | synic | :) |
| 19:08.52 | _psychic_ | how bout this - what does everyone thing a php programmer with ~5 yrs experience should be making? (ballpark range) |
| 19:09.22 | wps | where is he working? |
| 19:09.34 | wps | for himself? a start up? Novell? |
| 19:10.09 | _psychic_ | small to medium size company |
| 19:10.17 | _psychic_ | (is that where most of us work? |
| 19:12.54 | synic | I was making ~$30,000 after three years with a small company (~20 employees, 17,000 clients) |
| 19:13.59 | _psychic_ | full time? |
| 19:14.04 | synic | yup |
| 19:14.19 | _psychic_ | I'd hope for more, I think |
| 19:14.29 | synic | and I did :) |
| 19:14.31 | wps | I'd say about $55,000 - $75,000 in Utah County |
| 19:14.59 | _psychic_ | that's probably pretty fair, I'd say |
| 19:15.56 | _psychic_ | wish I was making that though ;) |
| 19:16.23 | wps | well, you asked how much _should_ he be paid |
| 19:16.32 | wps | not how much could he probably get :) |
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| 19:16.52 | wps | depends on where you're looking though |
| 19:17.32 | wps | there are a lot of sweatshops in town, but there are also a lot of places that are not just code shops and are actually looking for engineers… and pay accordingly |
| 19:17.50 | wps | I heard SCO pays well |
| 19:18.07 | wps | ha ha ha… just kidding… just had to through that in there ;) |
| 19:19.03 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 19:19.30 | wps | since I think that they suck |
| 19:24.35 | _psychic_ | its hard to get people to value php sometimes |
| 19:26.34 | wps | often |
| 19:27.23 | wps | but I think that a lot of that is warranted… because a lot of PHP "programmers" deserve it |
| 19:27.35 | wps | a lot of PHP programmers are self taught script kiddies |
| 19:28.19 | wps | so… the distinction must be made during the recruiting and job hunt process between a PHP coder and an engineer that prefers PHP as his language of choice |
| 19:29.59 | _psychic_ | indeed |
| 19:30.07 | _psychic_ | hopefully a good BS helps that out some though |
| 19:30.14 | wps | for example, I think that some of the engineers at my company (who write in PHP) are worth $100,000 a year |
| 19:30.17 | wps | but I'm not |
| 19:30.36 | wps | yes, a degree would definitely help |
| 19:31.57 | RyanE | and someone who is proficient in other languages. I did C / C++ for years before PHP existed. |
| 19:32.16 | RyanE | an employer hiring me knows that I'm not one of 'those' PHP coders. |
| 19:32.48 | wps | yes |
| 19:33.07 | _psychic_ | true |
| 19:33.13 | _psychic_ | wps: where do you work (if I can ask) |
| 19:33.37 | wps | point being: don't stop learning and don't just do one thing… specialize, but don't pigeon toe yourself |
| 19:33.45 | wps | be well versed |
| 19:33.57 | wps | I work at Doba, but I don't program for them |
| 19:34.11 | wps | I'm an artist |
| 19:34.21 | wps | and a UI designer |
| 19:35.19 | _psychic_ | engineers there get the pay range you described before? |
| 19:35.44 | _psychic_ | looks real nice btw |
| 19:36.37 | wps | depends what you do, your skills, and your experience, but yes… we pay honestly and competitively |
| 19:36.42 | wps | looks nice? |
| 19:37.30 | _psychic_ | doba.com |
| 19:38.00 | wps | oh, the site |
| 19:38.01 | wps | thanks |
| 19:38.11 | wps | that's my work |
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| 19:44.13 | mindjuju | what we should do is all go to the net uphpu meet and write on a piece of paper, your hours / wage |
| 19:44.21 | mindjuju | then will throw them all in a hat and read them all |
| 19:44.34 | mindjuju | it'll be anonymous cause nobody will know who wrote what |
| 19:44.41 | wps | that's a good idea |
| 19:44.48 | mindjuju | and you'll get to hear what everybody is making without knowing who |
| 19:44.56 | wps | I guess we could just do a poll on the website |
| 19:45.07 | mindjuju | true too |
| 19:49.03 | RyanE | yeah, but a poll on the website is not truly anonymous, if the webmaster has logs. |
| 19:49.30 | wps | true ;) |
| 19:49.44 | mindjuju | plus going to a meet means higher attendance |
| 19:49.52 | mindjuju | and swag for everybody! |
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| 19:53.24 | mindjuju | was the uphpu meet for this month the hacker night? i should have gone!!! |
| 19:53.31 | Utah_Dav1 | wps: did you do the design of doba.com? |
| 19:53.37 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:53.46 | wps | yes |
| 19:53.52 | mindjuju | and ask him about the guy who stole the design |
| 19:53.58 | wps | arrrg |
| 19:54.27 | mindjuju | not sure that is a pee-shooter type thing |
| 19:54.28 | RyanE | wps: don't play with your pee-shooter in here... please |
| 19:54.33 | mindjuju | more like baseball bat and kneecaps |
| 19:54.36 | RyanE | maybe your pea-shooter, but not the other one. |
| 19:54.37 | macnewbold | O tjoml w[s os gpomg tp dp |
| 19:54.38 | macnewbold | wow |
| 19:54.41 | wps | no kidding |
| 19:54.43 | macnewbold | off by one error on the keyboard |
| 19:54.54 | wps | is that Russian, macnewbold ? |
| 19:55.06 | macnewbold | I think the next meeting was going to be wps doing divs+css vs tables are your friend |
| 19:55.08 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 19:55.10 | wps | yeah, pea |
| 19:55.13 | wps | s/pee/pea |
| 19:55.36 | Utah_Dav1 | someone stole your design? |
| 19:55.42 | RyanE | so someone stole the doba design? |
| 19:55.45 | wps | positionproducts.com |
| 19:55.45 | RyanE | hehe |
| 19:55.57 | mindjuju | someone stole the design and left the copyright info intact |
| 19:56.13 | mindjuju | that's about as low as you can go |
| 19:56.17 | mindjuju | same graphics, everything |
| 19:56.18 | wps | crazy, huh |
| 19:56.19 | wps | http://www.positionproducts.com/beta/site/style/global-4.css |
| 19:56.23 | fungus | Hey, be nice. I am a design stealer too. |
| 19:56.27 | wps | (check the comment in that file) |
| 19:56.43 | RyanE | wow, I can't believe they stole the graphic too. |
| 19:56.48 | RyanE | that's ballsy, and stupid. |
| 19:56.59 | wps | well, and what kind of idiot rips it off and leaves the by-line in the comment? |
| 19:57.21 | fungus | wow, at least I don't steal commercial stuff for other commercial stuff. |
| 19:57.23 | wps | yeah… and from a corp with money to burn on attorneys? |
| 19:57.29 | fungus | I steal personal stuff for my personal stuff. |
| 19:57.30 | wps | this guy is dead |
| 19:57.38 | macnewbold | any response to your lawyer's nasty-gram yet? |
| 19:57.44 | Utah_Dav1 | wow |
| 19:57.45 | wps | nothing yet |
| 19:57.49 | RyanE | and their css is using graphics from doba's site... |
| 19:57.52 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah, that will be good |
| 19:58.00 | macnewbold | save lots of backups of their site and everything |
| 19:58.02 | macnewbold | :) |
| 19:58.04 | mindjuju | you should replace the pictures |
| 19:58.08 | macnewbold | in case they decide to fix it really quick |
| 19:58.10 | RyanE | the main pic they've copied... |
| 19:58.12 | wps | ooo… we should! |
| 19:58.14 | RyanE | so no joy there. |
| 19:58.16 | mindjuju | ugh, that reminds me of an auction |
| 19:58.27 | mindjuju | i used to work at ebay where picture stealing happens all the time |
| 19:58.45 | macnewbold | seriously though, we're having a meeting in 8 days, right? Does mike b. at linux networx know? |
| 19:58.50 | macnewbold | and who's presenting what? |
| 19:58.53 | mindjuju | this guy was selling a motorcycle and somebody stole the picture from one auction and used it on his own since it was the same model bike |
| 19:59.25 | mindjuju | the original seller found out and replaced the picture with a picture of a foot with mayonasse and mustard |
| 19:59.31 | mindjuju | i guess it is some kind of fetish |
| 19:59.37 | RyanE | eww |
| 19:59.55 | Utah_Dav1 | :) |
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| 20:01.36 | mindjuju | can i hear a "second" on my nomination of macnewbold for the next presentation? |
| 20:01.50 | macnewbold | hey |
| 20:01.54 | macnewbold | don't make me come over there... |
| 20:02.34 | macnewbold | if I present on databases, it would be on either db theory, SQL in general (probably a bit slanted to MySQL syntax, since that's what I know), or MySQL |
| 20:02.45 | macnewbold | that's Mr. McNewbold to you! |
| 20:02.49 | macnewbold | ~hurt mindjuju |
| 20:02.51 | jbot | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on mindjuju's hands, laughing all the while |
| 20:03.05 | mindjuju | ~bdhit macnewbold |
| 20:03.06 | jbot | ACTION and mindjuju demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on macnewbold's forehead |
| 20:03.15 | macnewbold | it's kinda funny... my wife gets calls at home looking for Mrs. McNewbold |
| 20:03.19 | macnewbold | ~dwhit mindjuju |
| 20:03.20 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at mindjuju's pain |
| 20:03.36 | mindjuju | ~bdhit |
| 20:03.44 | mindjuju | ~bdhit macnewbold |
| 20:03.46 | jbot | ACTION leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on macnewbold |
| 20:04.32 | macnewbold | ~curse mindjuju |
| 20:04.33 | jbot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, mindjuju ! |
| 20:04.41 | macnewbold | oh, wait! he already is! |
| 20:04.43 | mindjuju | i am an xp administrator |
| 20:04.43 | macnewbold | hahaha! |
| 20:04.44 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 20:04.51 | mindjuju | har har |
| 20:04.58 | RyanE | I always get calls for Mr. Eckersen... like people can't read Erickson properly or something. |
| 20:05.01 | macnewbold | you truly are cursed, and it is an example of jbot's nearly endless power |
| 20:05.08 | RyanE | I honestly tell them no one lives here by that name. |
| 20:05.26 | RyanE | of course, since the Do-Not-Call list, I haven't gotten much phone spam. |
| 20:09.55 | wps | meeting is on the twentieth |
| 20:13.41 | macnewbold | what's the topic and presenter? |
| 20:13.55 | wps | it's not scheduled |
| 20:14.13 | mindjuju | mr. macnewbold topic database theory |
| 20:14.25 | macnewbold | oh, I thought there was a plan for it already |
| 20:14.51 | macnewbold | btw, I talked to Sheri Bigelow the other day (remember her?) and she'd like to start coming to meetings again... she's been busy, but hopefully will be in town on the 20th |
| 20:15.17 | macnewbold | mindjuju: a motion doesn't work without someone to second it, and a vote taken on it |
| 20:15.18 | mindjuju | i remember sheri, she was the person we were doing all the research on for dataw0lf |
| 20:15.27 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah, something like that |
| 20:15.32 | mindjuju | i know, i'm bummed nobody is seconding my motion |
| 20:15.54 | macnewbold | she's web mistress/dominatrix up at her work, I think it was myriad genetics up in research park |
| 20:16.07 | mindjuju | maybe we should have a meet on wages and how to start your own business the Mac Newbold way! |
| 20:16.52 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah, uh-huh... nobody will second that one either |
| 20:17.07 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 20:18.17 | macnewbold | better wait until there are more people paying attention in here at the same time, or do it on the mail list or something. Or just give up on it... ;) |
| 20:20.26 | mindjuju | jbot: secondmotion is <action> I, jbot, second what ever Mindjuju has nominated, cause he's smart |
| 20:20.28 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 20:20.33 | mindjuju | ~secondmotion |
| 20:20.34 | jbot | ACTION I, jbot, second what ever Mindjuju has nominated, cause he's smart |
| 20:20.44 | mindjuju | SHWEET!!!! |
| 20:20.50 | wps | yes, I remember her |
| 20:21.05 | mindjuju | i nominate macnewbold to present at the next meet on database theory |
| 20:21.09 | mindjuju | ~secondmotioin |
| 20:21.15 | mindjuju | ~secondmotion |
| 20:21.16 | jbot | ACTION I, jbot, second what ever Mindjuju has nominated, cause he's smart |
| 20:21.28 | mindjuju | k, let's vote on it |
| 20:21.45 | RyanE | I don't think you made jbot be able to vote yet, have you? |
| 20:21.49 | mindjuju | since jbot second, that is an autovote |
| 20:21.55 | RyanE | aha |
| 20:22.08 | RyanE | I'm ineligible to vote, since I haven't been to a uphpu meeting for a year. |
| 20:22.21 | mindjuju | bummer! |
| 20:22.32 | mindjuju | so that's 2 votes for macnewbold the presenter |
| 20:22.37 | mindjuju | any against? |
| 20:23.03 | mindjuju | none against! we carry the vote! |
| 20:23.13 | Utah_Dave | I'll vote for it macnewbold! |
| 20:23.24 | Utah_Dave | I mean, I'll vote for macnewbold! |
| 20:23.37 | mindjuju | yeah, 3 votes for macnewbold the presenter! |
| 20:23.47 | macnewbold | s/president/presenter/ |
| 20:23.49 | macnewbold | ? |
| 20:23.53 | macnewbold | oh wait |
| 20:23.58 | macnewbold | can I still vote? |
| 20:24.09 | mindjuju | yup, right now it's 3 for you to present |
| 20:24.13 | mindjuju | 0 against |
| 20:24.30 | mindjuju | though, you know what would be REALLY cool |
| 20:24.45 | mindjuju | what if we conned wps into giving a presentation on Photoshop tips |
| 20:35.52 | wps | I could do it |
| 20:35.58 | wps | I owe you guys anyway |
| 20:36.11 | wps | :) |
| 20:36.22 | wps | I was planning on it this month or the next anyway |
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