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| 16:45.59 | RyanE | herlo: you digging the Guru Labs job? |
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| 16:52.54 | herlo | RyanE: love it |
| 16:53.07 | herlo | got xgl working on FC5 last night, was lots of fun |
| 16:53.40 | RyanE | cool. |
| 16:53.59 | RyanE | I keep wanting to try xgl, but don't have a machine with good enough graphics capabilities, and am too cheap to buy one. |
| 16:54.42 | herlo | ~lart RyanE for being cheap |
| 16:55.29 | RyanE | if you lart me for that, you'd better put the lart on a cron job. |
| 17:02.32 | macnewbold | when it's a virtue, you are supposed to call it "thrifty" or "frugal" I think.... "cheap" is the pejorative term used to describe being so thrifty it's a bad thing |
| 17:17.16 | jsmith | herlo: How hard was it? |
| 17:17.29 | herlo | jsmith: quite easy, check out my blog |
| 17:17.35 | herlo | http://blog.herlo.org |
| 17:17.46 | jsmith | herlo: Why isn't it on openclue.org/ut/?? |
| 17:17.54 | herlo | should be shortly |
| 17:17.57 | herlo | just posted it |
| 17:19.16 | jsmith | ATI card? |
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| 17:29.37 | herlo | jsmith: yes ATI |
| 17:29.52 | herlo | ~lart jsmith for his dislike of ATI |
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| 18:36.35 | beandog | Ok, Ive got a really funky php5 oop scenario here. |
| 18:36.48 | beandog | In one class, Im calling another class by it's name only |
| 18:36.52 | beandog | So, function foo() { |
| 18:37.00 | beandog | Class::function(); |
| 18:37.14 | beandog | But, inside Class, it runs $this->function() |
| 18:37.18 | beandog | However |
| 18:37.30 | beandog | The first class thinks that that function is inside itself. |
| 18:37.40 | wps | anyone looking for work? |
| 18:37.54 | wps | just got a phone call from someone looking to build a website |
| 18:37.56 | macnewbold | what kind of work, wps? full time? or contract/freelance stuff? |
| 18:37.58 | macnewbold | ah |
| 18:38.11 | macnewbold | beandog: I'm not sure I'm getting it |
| 18:38.11 | beandog | is that a bug or just poor coding on my part? :) |
| 18:38.14 | beandog | Ok |
| 18:38.16 | wps | wants to pay with ownership though instead of cash |
| 18:38.22 | macnewbold | ah |
| 18:38.24 | beandog | class_foo: |
| 18:38.24 | wps | so, I'm not interested |
| 18:38.32 | beandog | function one() { |
| 18:38.46 | beandog | class_bar::function_two(); |
| 18:38.48 | beandog | } |
| 18:38.51 | beandog | class_bar: |
| 18:38.55 | wps | things like that have a chance of being nice in the long run if they company turns out to be successful, but I'm not a gambling man and don't have time to work without pay |
| 18:38.56 | beandog | function two() { |
| 18:39.01 | macnewbold | what's the idea/company/business he's building? |
| 18:39.01 | beandog | er |
| 18:39.05 | beandog | function_two() { |
| 18:39.11 | beandog | $this->function_three(); |
| 18:39.13 | beandog | } |
| 18:39.20 | wps | I don't know… I told him that he needs to write up a description |
| 18:39.21 | beandog | I'm getting this error: |
| 18:39.32 | beandog | function_three does not exist in class_bar |
| 18:39.58 | beandog | Call to undefined method |
| 18:40.08 | macnewbold | is function_three defined in class_bar? |
| 18:40.37 | beandog | yes |
| 18:40.40 | beandog | er, no. |
| 18:40.43 | beandog | wait. |
| 18:40.49 | beandog | yes. |
| 18:41.02 | macnewbold | wps: if he's got something written up about what he's trying to do (so we can judge what it would take to do it), and why he's sure it will pay off for us, we could take a quick look at it, but it doesn't seem likely |
| 18:41.13 | beandog | function_one in class_foo thinks I'm calling function_three in class_foo |
| 18:41.19 | wps | I told him to post it to the job announcement list |
| 18:41.26 | beandog | because of $this-> |
| 18:41.32 | beandog | which, seems odd to me. |
| 18:41.45 | macnewbold | are any of the functions static, or are they all member functions? |
| 18:41.59 | macnewbold | and what object are you starting out the call with? |
| 18:42.07 | beandog | most all of them, if not all, are static. |
| 18:42.11 | beandog | in class_bar |
| 18:42.21 | macnewbold | static functions don't have a $this |
| 18:42.30 | macnewbold | because static functions don't necessarily have an instance |
| 18:42.31 | beandog | don't or can't |
| 18:42.36 | macnewbold | yes |
| 18:42.39 | macnewbold | if it's static, |
| 18:42.55 | macnewbold | you can call it like class_Bar::function_one() or whatever |
| 18:43.07 | macnewbold | rather than as a $obj->function_one() call |
| 18:43.17 | macnewbold | if you call it the first way, then there's no this |
| 18:43.19 | macnewbold | $this |
| 18:43.27 | macnewbold | because there's no object there |
| 18:43.54 | macnewbold | if you want to call static functions from other functions in the class, you can, but they'll never have a $this-> in the call |
| 18:44.02 | macnewbold | am I making any sense at all? |
| 18:44.04 | beandog | yah |
| 18:44.23 | beandog | makes sense. |
| 18:44.26 | macnewbold | is this all code you wrote, or are you interfacing with a chunk of code from somewhere else too? |
| 18:44.39 | beandog | Which answer will give you a higher opinon of me? :) |
| 18:44.45 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:44.57 | wps | I don't have access to my cheat sheet |
| 18:45.06 | wps | I'm trying to bzip/tar something up and am getting an error |
| 18:45.08 | beandog | OOP is not my biggest strength. |
| 18:45.11 | wps | I thought this was right |
| 18:45.15 | wps | tar -jcvf |
| 18:45.16 | macnewbold | just wondering if you were stuck with external code (that you couldn't/didn't want to modify) or if it was all code you could change |
| 18:45.28 | beandog | wps: do tar jvcf |
| 18:45.32 | macnewbold | what error are you getting? |
| 18:45.44 | wps | is this right? |
| 18:45.50 | beandog | macnewbold: no, its my code, I can fix it easily. |
| 18:45.51 | macnewbold | some tar versions take the -, some don't require it, some might not allow it. |
| 18:46.04 | wps | tar -jcvf dir <name of tarball> |
| 18:46.05 | wps | ? |
| 18:46.09 | macnewbold | backwards |
| 18:46.10 | beandog | yah |
| 18:46.12 | macnewbold | name of tarball first |
| 18:46.16 | wps | ah |
| 18:46.17 | macnewbold | then the stuff to tar up |
| 18:46.22 | wps | that's what I did wrong |
| 18:46.22 | wps | thanks |
| 18:46.23 | beandog | yah, thats right |
| 18:46.26 | beandog | -f <filename> |
| 18:46.29 | macnewbold | yep |
| 18:46.36 | beandog | -cf create <filename> |
| 18:46.37 | wps | beauty |
| 18:46.38 | wps | thanks |
| 18:47.09 | beandog | macnewbold: so, lemme ask you this ... whats the best way to use another class inside an existing one? global? |
| 18:47.19 | beandog | if I didnt want to call it statically |
| 18:47.22 | macnewbold | that depends |
| 18:47.31 | macnewbold | if you don't call it statically, you'd have to have an object of that class handy |
| 18:47.37 | macnewbold | like in a member variable or something |
| 18:47.48 | beandog | Theres 3 ways I do it |
| 18:47.49 | beandog | global is one. |
| 18:47.55 | beandog | passing it in when creating the class is another |
| 18:48.01 | beandog | and then creating it in the construct is the third. |
| 18:48.07 | beandog | thats all I can think of. |
| 18:48.12 | macnewbold | yes, all of those work for creating the object |
| 18:48.13 | beandog | Normally, I just use static functions. |
| 18:48.21 | macnewbold | if the functions can be static, |
| 18:48.26 | beandog | foo::bar() |
| 18:48.30 | beandog | Right |
| 18:48.34 | macnewbold | then you don't need an object, and you can call it like that |
| 18:48.38 | beandog | Its stuff like $db that I usually have to yank in. |
| 18:48.49 | beandog | and I hate doing global $db; just to use it in 1/3rd of my functions. |
| 18:49.22 | macnewbold | right, that's kind of a hassle |
| 18:49.34 | macnewbold | you could put it in a superglobal if you wanted, but that might be kind of a hack |
| 18:49.51 | macnewbold | global functions don't have to be explicity declared |
| 18:49.58 | macnewbold | I have a $DB object that is global, |
| 18:50.09 | macnewbold | and all over the place I call a function db_query(), |
| 18:50.12 | macnewbold | which uses that global var |
| 18:50.27 | macnewbold | but I don't need to put global $DB inside every function that will call db_query(), just in db_query() itself |
| 18:50.32 | beandog | Dont you have to do $DB->db_query? |
| 18:50.49 | macnewbold | no, db-query isn't a member function of anything |
| 18:50.53 | macnewbold | just a normal function |
| 18:51.08 | beandog | Oh. |
| 18:51.09 | beandog | Gotcha. |
| 18:51.23 | beandog | Hmm |
| 18:51.32 | macnewbold | (wendy's run, brb) |
| 18:51.34 | beandog | I wonder if that would work ... create a global function that calls the class. |
| 19:10.28 | macnewbold | I bet that would work |
| 19:10.57 | macnewbold | especially if its a static function call into the class, or there's a global variable with an object in it that you can use to make the call |
| 19:12.37 | beandog | Im gonna test it real fast and see |
| 19:12.40 | beandog | Im curious how that would work. |
| 19:16.56 | beandog | we'll i'll be... |
| 19:16.58 | beandog | looks like it works. |
| 19:21.30 | beandog | that is freaking cool |
| 19:27.10 | macnewbold | cool, I'm glad it's working |
| 19:28.04 | beandog | whats the naming scheme for global functions |
| 19:28.07 | beandog | foo_bar or fooBar |
| 19:28.31 | beandog | I assume the 1st one to keep consistent with php functions |
| 19:29.27 | macnewbold | you can name them however you like |
| 19:29.45 | macnewbold | I'm not always consistent in my use of underscores vs. camelcase vs. all lowercase |
| 19:30.01 | macnewbold | I do use all caps though in any variables that are basically global constants |
| 19:30.15 | macnewbold | (I don't like defines cause you can't use them in all the same ways you can use variables) |
| 19:30.22 | macnewbold | the style is pretty much up to you |
| 19:30.34 | macnewbold | even within php, it varies from place to place |
| 19:30.45 | macnewbold | take a look at the list of string functions or array functions |
| 19:30.49 | macnewbold | some use underscores, some don't |
| 19:30.56 | macnewbold | some have good names, some are cryptic |
| 19:31.09 | macnewbold | some take needle before haystack, others do the opposite |
| 19:31.20 | macnewbold | that's why I've got to look at the docs so often :) |
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| 22:51.39 | wps | check it |
| 22:51.45 | wps | someone completely ripped of our website |
| 22:51.46 | wps | http://www.positionproducts.com/beta/ |
| 22:51.50 | wps | (them) |
| 22:51.55 | wps | us -> doba.com |
| 22:53.29 | _psychic_ | ouch |
| 22:54.05 | jsmith | wps: Man, that looks just like you! |
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| 23:11.26 | mindjuju | how did you find out about the guy, wps? |
| 23:11.36 | wps | our SEO consultant came across it |
| 23:12.01 | wps | not sure how he found it |
| 23:12.58 | mindjuju | wow, are you going to call them and remind them it is copyrighted? |
| 23:13.04 | wps | oh yeah |
| 23:13.08 | wps | you better believe it |
| 23:15.18 | wps | it blows my mind that people think that they can get away with that |
| 23:16.03 | mindjuju | yeah. you spend time writing something by hand to get things right, and somebody steals it |
| 23:16.17 | wps | http://www.positionproducts.com/beta/site/style/global-4.css |
| 23:16.22 | wps | check out the comment at the top of that bad boy |
| 23:16.24 | wps | :) |
| 23:16.48 | jsmith | wps: Time to call the corporate attorney... |
| 23:16.53 | wps | yup |
| 23:17.21 | mindjuju | yeah, that's really out of control |
| 23:17.40 | wps | and what kind of idiot steels the code and doesn't remove the copyright comment? |
| 23:23.41 | wps | where's Datawolf? |
| 23:23.52 | wps | I need to put in a DOS request from his special friends |
| 23:24.15 | mindjuju | he's been gone for like 45 days |
| 23:24.58 | wps | anyone else have special friends? |
| 23:26.39 | jsmith | wps: Don't go there... just take it to a judge... |
| 23:26.47 | jsmith | wps: Otherwise, it'll only make you guys look bad |
| 23:26.50 | wps | oh… I'm just joking |
| 23:27.02 | jsmith | Yeah, but the judge might not know that... |
| 23:27.23 | wps | I was joking about actually doing it |
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