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| 01:38.37 | macnewbold | are any of you in school this summer, and interested in beta testing a project I'm working on? |
| 01:40.04 | mindjuju | funny your looking for a beta tester. i'm in the market for one too |
| 01:40.32 | mindjuju | i'm looking for a local high schooler, prolly 10 hours a week tops |
| 01:40.36 | mindjuju | good for a senior, methinks |
| 01:41.27 | mindjuju | the funny thing is, i've got all the paperwork approved and the money set aside, just ain't had time to post it to any job boards |
| 02:02.30 | diskotec|w | http://link.abpi.net/l.php?20060626A2 |
| 02:07.39 | diskotec|w | macnewbold, if you want a programmers feedback then I'm not the best candidate. If you want a users perspective, I could help you out...wait...how many hours would it require? |
| 02:08.01 | mindjuju | cool article on the proc |
| 02:09.25 | diskotec|w | yeah...crossing my fingers that they can figure out a quick way to shrink it so it fits into a box...hehe |
| 02:09.27 | macnewbold | diskotec|w: we need students' feedback, as users, programmer or not. It's designed to be appropriate for busy students, so it would require as little time as possible |
| 02:09.52 | macnewbold | I'd estimate that a normal user would spend less than an hour a week using it |
| 02:09.59 | macnewbold | as a beta tester you might do a little more than that, |
| 02:10.04 | macnewbold | but not too much probably |
| 02:10.19 | diskotec|w | mac, I was in a summer school course but it's over now...would I have to be in a class now? |
| 02:10.23 | macnewbold | actually, what does 5min/day work out to... ~30 min/week? |
| 02:10.27 | macnewbold | that's probably closer |
| 02:11.00 | macnewbold | it would be more help for you if you were, but if you're not and are still interested, and willing to spend some time playing around with it, that could work |
| 02:11.28 | macnewbold | it's a tool that helps you schedule your homework so you get everything done on time in the limited time you have available |
| 02:12.35 | diskotec|w | hmm...I'd could make up homework assignments I guess. I don't start back to school until August. |
| 02:12.39 | macnewbold | for instance, you could take your assignments from your class, and pretend that the class was starting in July instead of when it really started.. |
| 02:12.46 | macnewbold | yeah, our planned launch is in August, in time for fall semester |
| 02:12.53 | macnewbold | we're getting really excited about it |
| 02:12.53 | diskotec|w | ah |
| 02:13.00 | diskotec|w | web app? |
| 02:13.02 | macnewbold | yep |
| 02:13.13 | macnewbold | www.gradefix.com has the teaser, and will later be the site |
| 02:14.44 | macnewbold | I think they're only doing 20 beta user invitations, so if you're interested, let me know and I'll see if I can get you on the list |
| 02:16.57 | diskotec|w | hmm....I'd like to help but it might be better for students who are in a class now to test it. |
| 02:19.20 | macnewbold | yeah, that was our plan |
| 02:19.26 | macnewbold | hopefully you can try it out in august |
| 02:19.38 | macnewbold | thanks for being willing though! |
| 02:21.52 | diskotec|w | no prob. looks like a pretty cool idea. |
| 02:22.04 | diskotec|w | what would be the charge to use it in the fall? |
| 02:25.02 | mindjuju | macnewbold, i've got a bro who is in school now. he's going into finance so if you want good analytical semi technical beta tester, i can shoot it to him. I think he'd like it |
| 02:42.02 | diskotec|w | hehe |
| 02:42.59 | mindjuju | which gives him a +10 against hearing the ranchera music |
| 02:43.16 | diskotec|w | hehe |
| 02:44.18 | macnewbold | mindjuju: sure, that would be cool |
| 02:44.36 | mindjuju | should i have him sign up on that page you mentioned? |
| 02:44.38 | macnewbold | if he's interested, get him in touch with me... I just need his name and email address to get him started |
| 02:44.42 | macnewbold | sure, that works too |
| 02:44.53 | mindjuju | which ever. his email will be from ricks in idaho |
| 02:45.01 | mindjuju | well, i guess it's called something else now |
| 02:45.15 | mindjuju | i'll just contact you directly |
| 02:45.23 | diskotec|w | I just downloaded some classical music that was advertised on digg.... some of it is pretty cool |
| 02:45.23 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah, BYUI |
| 02:45.34 | diskotec|w | http://www.musikethos.org/wiki/me.php/Download/Homepage |
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| 17:50.57 | alphahawk | Hello. Is there a way to have php in essence open a web page from another server parse it for data? |
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| 17:57.38 | fungus_ | yup, very easily. |
| 17:59.27 | fungus | almost every file related function can take a url just as easily as a local file name. |
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| 19:01.42 | macnewbold | though there's a config option that has to be set (fopen wrappers or url open or something like that) in order for that to work, and it can be a huge security risk |
| 19:02.12 | macnewbold | especially if you take all or part of a filename you open from the user, or if there's a way they can poison your variables to make it so. |
| 19:03.15 | macnewbold | another way that works really well is the curl extension, or if that's not there, you could do it with the sockets extension if you wanted. often you can also run a command like 'curl', 'wget', or 'fetch' from the shell with system() or something. |
| 19:03.50 | macnewbold | too bad alphahawk just showed up and left less than 2 minutes later, before waiting for an answer to his quesiton |
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| 20:49.26 | wps | I have a client who's project is bigger than he told me (I could never get him to provide adequate scope documents)> |
| 20:49.41 | wps | he is now frustrated that he are not going to meet his deadline |
| 20:49.59 | wps | he wants to bring in more programmers to get it done in time |
| 20:50.12 | wps | anyone want to write some HTML? |
| 20:50.32 | _psychic_ | for a project without a scope? ;) |
| 20:50.46 | wps | most of the project will be done in a week |
| 20:50.54 | wps | well, he has a scope, but it sucks |
| 20:50.58 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 20:51.03 | wps | only what I have been able to drag out of him |
| 20:51.08 | _psychic_ | what's the requirements and pay, etc. |
| 20:52.04 | wps | pay is whatever you charge probably… you'd have to negotiate price with him |
| 20:52.11 | wps | what do you mean by requirements? |
| 20:52.17 | wps | what the project is? time? what you'd be doing? |
| 20:52.51 | _psychic_ | yeah - he's in a crunch so he's going to want X amount of hours a day, or something similar? |
| 20:53.06 | wps | yeah |
| 20:53.24 | wps | I can't give him any more than I already am because I have sleep or I will get sick |
| 20:54.06 | _psychic_ | yikes |
| 20:54.19 | _psychic_ | You're not selling me on this project very well, wps ;) |
| 20:54.37 | wps | oh… it's not because he's a slave driver… it's just because I have so much going on |
| 20:54.38 | _psychic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.19 | wps | I get home from work… make dinner… run errands… do things for my wife and never get to bed before nine or ten and then am up at two or three to work until sever on side-stuff… and then am off to my real job from eight to five |
| 20:55.27 | wps | and four to five hours of sleep isn't enough |
| 20:55.31 | wps | :( |
| 20:55.44 | wps | but that's just how my schedule is… if you have more time for freelancing, then you'd be fine |
| 21:03.17 | _psychic_ | I'm a little packed right now, but I was curious |
| 21:03.40 | _psychic_ | What do you think he would pay hourly for work like this? (if that's appropriate to ask) |
| 21:03.42 | macnewbold | we usually tell our clients that they can choose the feature list for their launch, or they can choose the date for their launch, but they can't choose both :) |
| 21:04.06 | macnewbold | but they don't always like that |
| 21:04.15 | macnewbold | the reasonable ones take it pretty well though |
| 21:04.15 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: I let them pick two out of these three: scope, schedule, budget |
| 21:04.22 | macnewbold | yeah, that's good |
| 21:04.35 | wps | not sure on price |
| 21:04.41 | wps | he's pretty desperate |
| 21:04.42 | _psychic_ | I'll make your super fat tight-scheduled project... if you pay me a million bucks |
| 21:04.47 | wps | would pay competitively |
| 21:04.58 | _psychic_ | wps: got a ballpark estimate? |
| 21:05.04 | macnewbold | though if I picked a small budget and a big scope and gave you unlimited time to complete it, you probably wouldn't take the job at all :) |
| 21:05.13 | wps | my problem is that even if they paid me a million, I still can't give him much more than I am doing |
| 21:05.16 | wps | just not physically possible |
| 21:05.17 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: hourly wage? heck ya |
| 21:05.21 | macnewbold | would he pay 3 digits an hour? |
| 21:05.34 | wps | perhaps |
| 21:05.37 | macnewbold | oh, I thought you meant project budget, not the hourly :) |
| 21:05.38 | _psychic_ | wps: you'd pay a bunch of people to do it |
| 21:05.53 | wps | yeah |
| 21:05.56 | _psychic_ | wps: XHTML? Is the CSS already defined? |
| 21:06.01 | macnewbold | then I'd just pick a really low hourly and a really huge scope, but I presume you have a bottom end to your hourly :) |
| 21:06.13 | wps | yes, global CSS is pretty much done |
| 21:06.28 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: by budget, I mean total budget, not hourly rate, silly |
| 21:07.10 | _psychic_ | wps: is any of it online already so I could see it? |
| 21:07.28 | macnewbold | okay, so if I gave you a project with a giant scope of work to do, and a total budget of $200... |
| 21:07.41 | wps | http://dev.anavidesign.com/ |
| 21:07.46 | wps | http://dev.anavidesign.com/search/results.php |
| 21:07.51 | wps | http://dev.anavidesign.com/apw/1.php |
| 21:11.07 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: I'd get it done in an eon. :P |
| 21:11.23 | macnewbold | and I'd pay you on completion... |
| 21:11.29 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 21:12.00 | _psychic_ | looks nice wps |
| 21:12.04 | wps | thanks |
| 21:12.40 | _psychic_ | using any ajax or effects on the site (just curious) |
| 21:12.54 | wps | nope… I don't like "effects" for the most part |
| 21:13.12 | _psychic_ | I really appreciate a well placed hidden form |
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| 22:36.28 | fungus | yay, the smart car is coming. |
| 22:36.29 | fungus | http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/06/28/013102.html |
| 22:38.20 | wps | yikes |
| 22:38.24 | wps | that looks scary |
| 22:38.38 | wps | why do smart and economically friendly cars have to be butt ugly? |
| 22:38.52 | fungus | I think it is cute. |
| 22:39.04 | wps | I don't want my auto to be cute |
| 22:39.05 | wps | :) |
| 22:39.22 | fungus | If I drove more than one day in a week, I would buy one. |
| 22:39.42 | wps | this is a car: http://hb.cult.bg/img/prntscrn/hb3c1280x1024.jpg |
| 22:40.09 | wps | oh… and this! |
| 22:40.10 | wps | http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Chrysler-300C/Chrysler-300C-004.jpg |
| 22:40.17 | fungus | Now that looks like a polluting machine. |
| 22:41.11 | Utah_Dave | wps: great design. |
| 22:41.25 | wps | thanks, Utah_Dave |
| 22:41.53 | Utah_Dave | what do you need done? |
| 22:42.00 | Utah_Dave | more pages? |
| 22:44.21 | wps | yeah |
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