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| 14:43.15 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 14:43.20 | macnewbold | huh? |
| 14:43.29 | macnewbold | since when can rlarts be self-inflicted? |
| 14:43.32 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 14:43.37 | macnewbold | better... |
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| 16:59.05 | mindjuju | finally! Fungus! i got something for you to read when you have a moment |
| 16:59.39 | fungus | uh oh, should I be worried? :) |
| 16:59.49 | mindjuju | its one of those "surely it can be real..." -- "oh wait, it's on a gov website" things |
| 16:59.52 | mindjuju | http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavtx/0250053.txt |
| 17:00.01 | mindjuju | oops, can't be real i mean |
| 17:00.25 | mindjuju | your looking for the reason the police used to pull the car over |
| 17:23.17 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 17:23.31 | mindjuju | ~nyuk macnewbold |
| 17:23.32 | jbot | ACTION grabs macnewbold nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 17:27.22 | macnewbold | that's an interesting article... but it's kinda bogus |
| 17:27.25 | fungus | mindjuju: very interesting. I understand both points of view. |
| 17:28.01 | macnewbold | you can't assume that they're for resale or distribution unless they've got many copies of the same CD, otherwise it's just the perfectly legal backup copy that everyone can make of their media |
| 17:28.10 | macnewbold | and they can package them as lame as they want |
| 17:29.37 | fungus | I agree |
| 17:30.59 | mindjuju | yeah, i just can't believe they'd use it for a reason to search somebody's car |
| 17:31.21 | fungus | But if I saw a bunch of CD's with inserts that were copied versions of the real thing, I would think they were "bogus" too. |
| 17:34.18 | fungus | If I lived in VA, I would put my name and address on every CD I burned. :) |
| 17:37.52 | macnewbold | the funniest part to me was that there were officers with him who had received special training on bogus CDs... |
| 17:38.12 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:38.42 | mindjuju | i don't know about you guys, but with 1 child under 3 who still thinks that CDs are freesbies, i'm not traveling around with originals |
| 17:38.59 | mindjuju | i burn my to cds and run around with copies with originals at home |
| 17:39.00 | macnewbold | exactly |
| 17:39.18 | mindjuju | that said, i don't want to be pulled over because of a "fear" that i'm running around with fakes |
| 17:40.02 | macnewbold | new CD -> computer optical drive -> mp3s; mp3s -> work, home, and backup servers ; original CD -> storage |
| 17:40.20 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 17:40.46 | macnewbold | they can't pull you over for suspicion of fake CDs... there has to be a reasonable reason to pull you over |
| 17:40.47 | mindjuju | i can see it now. in 3 years they are going to have the police doing busts on mp3 like they do drug busts now |
| 17:40.59 | macnewbold | just don't keep marijuana under your seat with loads of cash... |
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| 17:41.14 | mindjuju | frickin swat team at the door with the battle ram, knockin' my door down and me running... the footage all caught on COPS |
| 17:41.22 | macnewbold | and when that time comes, mindjuju, hard drives will have quick erase buttons or something |
| 17:41.33 | macnewbold | and everyone will keep offsite backups |
| 17:41.48 | macnewbold | so it will only take a few minutes on their Gbps internet connection to grab the collection again |
| 17:41.54 | mindjuju | i'm just not a big fan of the RIAA making legislation and having the police as cronies |
| 17:42.03 | macnewbold | amen |
| 17:42.52 | wps | it's funny when people whisper into the phone so that you cannot hear them but you still can |
| 17:43.00 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:43.01 | fungus | amen brother. http://www.firehatch.com/ |
| 17:43.06 | macnewbold | who are you listening in on today, wps? |
| 17:43.39 | wps | someone on the other side of the cubicle wall always gets quiet and puts his hand over his mouth when he talks money with his wife… but I can still hear him |
| 17:43.43 | wps | I think it's funny |
| 17:43.59 | mindjuju | that is funny |
| 17:44.11 | herlo | I think if you want it to be private, you should get an office!! |
| 17:44.14 | wps | and he always "spells" it out instead of saying it |
| 17:44.48 | mindjuju | seems like spelling it out might make it worse |
| 17:45.09 | fungus | yeah, I would listen real hard if someone was spelling. |
| 17:45.26 | mindjuju | "honey, i want you to transfer O-N-E H-U-N-D-R-E-D dollars to the savings account" |
| 17:45.56 | macnewbold | for goodness sakes... |
| 17:45.59 | herlo | yeah, because none of the other people in the office can spell, I will tell you h o w m-u-c-h m-o-n-e-y t-o s-p-e-n-d |
| 17:46.00 | macnewbold | just make up a secret code already |
| 17:46.05 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:46.18 | herlo | do you know how hard t-h-a-t i-s t-o t-y-p-e? |
| 17:46.22 | mindjuju | honey, transfer 2 turkey with giblets to the fridge |
| 17:46.29 | herlo | exactly |
| 17:46.30 | mindjuju | see, isn't that easier? |
| 17:46.33 | macnewbold | ~s/turkey/chickens/ |
| 17:46.46 | fungus | Just go for a walk if you need privacy |
| 17:46.46 | macnewbold | s/chickens/geese/ |
| 17:46.49 | macnewbold | aha |
| 17:47.06 | macnewbold | seriously, leave the room |
| 17:47.21 | herlo | or fart |
| 17:47.27 | herlo | then everyone else will leave |
| 17:47.29 | mindjuju | honey, the chair is against the wall, the chair is against the wall. max is in the tree, max is in the tree |
| 17:48.01 | macnewbold | hm |
| 17:48.06 | mindjuju | there are all kinds of cool code things you could use |
| 17:48.16 | mindjuju | i watch the xfiles, so i should know |
| 17:48.35 | herlo | yeah, because everything you see on the tele is true |
| 17:49.01 | mindjuju | well, especially the xfiles |
| 17:49.33 | mindjuju | though night before last it was about the voodoo demon teacher who puts her hand into flames to invoke her mojo |
| 17:49.37 | mindjuju | VERY CREEPY |
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| 20:46.58 | beandog | So |
| 20:47.03 | beandog | Whats the general consensus on Smarty? |
| 20:47.07 | beandog | Good, bad, stay the crap away? |
| 20:47.48 | _psychic_ | I used it for a long time and liked it |
| 20:48.01 | _psychic_ | but then I realized that PHP is a great templating language on its own |
| 20:48.10 | _psychic_ | so there really isn't any point on keeping up with smarty |
| 20:48.18 | _psychic_ | though it does still have advantages like caching |
| 20:48.43 | beandog | Hmm |
| 20:49.01 | beandog | Well, anything that save me the hassle of having to write one more loop sequence, Im all for that. |
| 20:54.40 | _psychic_ | foreach() works for me |
| 20:55.30 | beandog | What I really need is a class to do forms intelligently. |
| 20:55.36 | beandog | I hate writing frontends. |
| 20:55.39 | beandog | Well, I dont hate it. |
| 20:55.50 | beandog | Its that it gets redundant doing the same thing over and over. |
| 20:55.58 | beandog | insert / verify / edit data. |
| 20:56.43 | _psychic_ | sounds like you need to start using a library or framework |
| 20:57.03 | beandog | I need something. |
| 20:57.13 | beandog | Not sure what. |
| 20:57.30 | _psychic_ | I'm on the team for cakephp, so I'm rather biased toward that |
| 20:57.38 | _psychic_ | but PEAR has some nice classes I've heard |
| 20:57.46 | _psychic_ | and other frameworks should have something similar |
| 20:58.08 | beandog | Yah I use PEAR occassionally. |
| 20:58.13 | beandog | what is cakephp tho? |
| 20:58.30 | _psychic_ | an application framework |
| 20:58.41 | _psychic_ | its sets up a basic structure |
| 20:58.57 | _psychic_ | and makes it so the boring stuff gets out of the way so you can code logic specific to your app |
| 21:00.01 | beandog | huh |
| 21:00.03 | beandog | Ill check it out, thanks |
| 21:00.20 | _psychic_ | it will automatically create forms based on your db tables, for example |
| 21:00.22 | _psychic_ | cool |
| 21:02.00 | beandog | Well its not the forms that are the big problem |
| 21:02.14 | beandog | Its customizing them,a nd then doing correct data validation on different types: zip, name, phone, state, etc. |
| 21:02.18 | macnewbold | see also ruby on rails, php on trax, etc. |
| 21:02.30 | macnewbold | yeah, the validation can be a hassle |
| 21:02.44 | _psychic_ | yep |
| 21:02.48 | beandog | Well Ive already written a class to validate any user input you could possibly throw at it. |
| 21:02.50 | _psychic_ | any of those type things will help you |
| 21:03.08 | _psychic_ | there are quite a few frameworks for php |
| 21:03.19 | macnewbold | but you're almost always have to code up your specific validation rules for each field, I think |
| 21:04.05 | _psychic_ | if it doesn't fit what already has been done |
| 21:04.22 | _psychic_ | I mean validation for email addresses and phone numbers, and not-empty has been done a bajillion times |
| 21:04.31 | macnewbold | right, it's true |
| 21:05.11 | macnewbold | unless you need to validate that the area code actually exists, that 911 isn't in the first part of the number, that it isn't an international #, etc. not that I'd recommend doing any of those on a regular basis |
| 21:05.17 | macnewbold | non-empty is easy |
| 21:05.22 | macnewbold | email varies, depending how much you do. |
| 21:05.38 | _psychic_ | ya - or CC# validation, or uniqueness of some field... etc. |
| 21:05.38 | macnewbold | I usually recommend checking the domain name against DNS for an MX or at least an A record |
| 21:05.44 | macnewbold | right, those aren't too bad |
| 21:05.59 | macnewbold | validating zip code depends if you're USA only, or need to include canada, or others |
| 21:06.10 | macnewbold | and if you accept zip, or zip+4, |
| 21:06.16 | macnewbold | and if you need to check that it is real |
| 21:06.27 | macnewbold | and if you need to check that it matches their city/state |
| 21:07.32 | beandog | Right |
| 21:07.38 | beandog | Ill have to show this to you sometime, macnewbold |
| 21:07.41 | beandog | you might like it. |
| 21:07.58 | beandog | maybe not. :) |
| 21:11.47 | macnewbold | probably so |
| 21:11.55 | macnewbold | we have some code that we reuse like that too |
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| 22:03.33 | mindjuju | oh yuck |
| 22:03.35 | mindjuju | fungus |
| 22:03.43 | mindjuju | yo fungus! |
| 22:04.09 | fungus | eek |
| 22:04.16 | mindjuju | hey, do you do podcasts? |
| 22:04.24 | mindjuju | you've got to listen to this audio |
| 22:04.33 | mindjuju | it's craziness what they just asked ISPs to do! |
| 22:04.37 | fungus | Of course I do |
| 22:04.43 | mindjuju | do you listen to TWIT ? |
| 22:05.32 | mindjuju | here is the URL for the mp3 download for the podcast if you don't subscribe to TWIT, though it is really cool and it's Leo Laporte |
| 22:05.34 | mindjuju | http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3?http://aolradio.podcast.aol.com/twit/TWiT0056H.mp3 |
| 22:06.19 | macnewbold | what did they ask? |
| 22:06.35 | fungus | Oh, yeah, I already listened to that one. |
| 22:06.37 | fungus | Lol |
| 22:07.16 | mindjuju | did you hear what they were saying about the attorney general and wanting the ISPs to record 2 years of history on clients |
| 22:07.35 | mindjuju | downloads, search engine searches, etc |
| 22:08.18 | mindjuju | that's just madness, i need to get on the phone and start kicking these guys in the butt |
| 22:08.19 | fungus | Yup, that is insane. I would have to buy terabytes of storage. |
| 22:08.22 | fungus | I can't afford it. |
| 22:08.40 | fungus | I meaning my company. |
| 22:09.09 | macnewbold | that's incredibly retarded |
| 22:09.21 | macnewbold | and what if all that data made it into the Wrong Hands(tm)? |
| 22:09.24 | macnewbold | we're all hozed |
| 22:09.32 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 22:09.46 | mindjuju | we can't even keep the data we have now (cell phone records, SSN, etc) |
| 22:10.01 | mindjuju | ugh, depressing |
| 22:11.03 | mindjuju | brb, got to go to a meeting |
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