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| 19:11.15 | wps | camp town ladies sing this song… |
| 19:11.19 | wps | do-da |
| 19:43.52 | herlo | camptown race track 5 miles long |
| 19:43.58 | herlo | oh do-da day |
| 19:45.41 | _psychic_ | OT (for those who might be interested:) http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2 |
| 19:46.05 | wps | what is it |
| 19:46.18 | wps | it requires a plug-in that I refuse to install |
| 19:46.58 | _psychic_ | streaming debate on the marriage protection amendment |
| 19:47.06 | _psychic_ | cspan |
| 19:47.09 | wps | ah |
| 19:50.38 | macnewbold | so how is the debate going? in which direction do things seem to be leaning? |
| 19:50.54 | _psychic_ | mm |
| 19:50.58 | _psychic_ | pretty partisan |
| 19:51.11 | _psychic_ | the Rs talk about the amendment |
| 19:51.23 | _psychic_ | the Ds try to steer it to oil, healthcare, etc. |
| 19:51.43 | _psychic_ | I want to hear the D that is for it, and the R that's against it. |
| 19:52.24 | _psychic_ | like right now a senator is talking about warren buffet |
| 19:52.44 | _psychic_ | :/ |
| 19:54.32 | macnewbold | so it sounds like the D's just keep avoiding the real subject because they'll have lots of upset constituents if they say they're against it, and lots of upset GLBT people who will crucify them if they say they're for it |
| 19:54.49 | _psychic_ | maybe |
| 19:55.35 | macnewbold | I bet there are a lot more democrat people who are for it than people want to admit |
| 19:55.47 | macnewbold | yeah, sure they're liberal, but when it comes down to it, they might not be quite that liberal |
| 19:55.52 | macnewbold | but I don't know, that's just my opinion |
| 19:56.39 | _psychic_ | I think theres a mixed view on whether or not its 1: something that prohibits gays 2: something that protects the current definition |
| 20:00.05 | mindjuju | w00t! a conversation on politics! i love political conversations! (though if memory serves, the last time i had one here, i was politely reminded it was a php channel) |
| 20:00.12 | mindjuju | k, who said what and where |
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| 20:06.19 | mindjuju | nope, i'm here in draper |
| 20:06.19 | mindjuju | ~jbot |
| 20:06.19 | jbot | i guess jbot is only marginally useful at best, He got a C- on his Turing Test, or a complete idiot |
| 20:07.04 | mindjuju | jbot, seen dataw0lf |
| 20:07.21 | jbot | dataw0lf <n=dataw0lf@70.103.239.58> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 19d 14h 10m 47s ago, saying: 'link seems dead, levi.'. |
| 20:07.56 | _psychic_ | 19 days? |
| 20:08.24 | mindjuju | i noticed he'd been gone, didn't realize it had been that long |
| 20:08.52 | mindjuju | hope everything is ok |
| 20:18.09 | herlo | wow, that is a long time. someone should call him... |
| 20:18.58 | mindjuju | tierra, do you know what up with dataw0lf? |
| 20:23.26 | macnewbold | I have talked with him over email more recently than that |
| 20:23.49 | macnewbold | he's had some family members in the hospital and a fire in his apt. over the last few weeks, so it's kept him kind of busy |
| 20:24.08 | mindjuju | fire in his apt! |
| 20:24.21 | macnewbold | yeah, in his bedroom primarily |
| 20:24.39 | macnewbold | and I don't mean any innuendo either |
| 20:24.39 | mindjuju | must have been a seriously overclocked computer |
| 20:24.43 | macnewbold | real actual flames and stuff |
| 20:24.50 | macnewbold | or maybe incense that got out of control |
| 20:24.52 | macnewbold | I don't know |
| 20:27.12 | tierra | heh, macnewbold knows more than I do |
| 20:27.49 | tierra | I've seen him once in the last 2-3 weeks, and he's mentioned nothing about any of that |
| 20:28.12 | macnewbold | the hospital thing was in Reno, which took him out of town for a whlie |
| 20:28.25 | macnewbold | it took me almost two weeks to find all that out :) |
| 20:29.46 | mindjuju | well, it's good to know he didn't get redeployed or something |
| 20:29.56 | herlo | yeah, it is good to know |
| 20:29.57 | tierra | he didn't mention any other details? |
| 20:30.49 | herlo | that's amazing. It sounds like harrowing experiences for dataw0lf |
| 20:40.10 | herlo | creator of Ruby on Rails is on the cover of July 2006 Linux Journal |
| 20:40.21 | herlo | David Heinemeier Hansson |
| 20:40.38 | herlo | along with about 10 articles specifically about Ruby and rails... |
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| 22:24.12 | *** topic/#uphpu is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 22:26.38 | _psychic_ | question: if phpinfo() says in the "Configure Command" section that sessions are disabled ('--disable-session') but there is a session section down below that says session support is enabled? Which is true? |
| 22:27.21 | macnewbold | I dunno, I've never seen it do that |
| 22:27.28 | macnewbold | but I've also never tried to turn _off_ sessions |
| 22:27.36 | macnewbold | why might one want to do that? |
| 22:28.02 | _psychic_ | no idea |
| 22:28.08 | _psychic_ | its on a client's box |
| 22:28.21 | _psychic_ | I'm having problems with sessions on the machine - and that's when I noticed the problem |
| 22:28.25 | _psychic_ | :/ |
| 22:28.43 | macnewbold | they're on by default, so you would have to work to get rid of them |
| 22:29.06 | macnewbold | if you just want to fix it, I'd recommend a rebuild/reinstall/upgrade of php (pick any one or all three) |
| 22:29.12 | macnewbold | if you want to see what it is really doing, |
| 22:29.28 | macnewbold | you might look in php.ini for session-related stuff, |
| 22:29.42 | macnewbold | and see what $_SESSION does when you try to use sessions, |
| 22:29.48 | macnewbold | and check the return val of session_start() |
| 22:29.57 | _psychic_ | its startin |
| 22:29.58 | _psychic_ | g |
| 22:30.00 | macnewbold | and check for cookies in your browser after you try to session start |
| 22:30.02 | _psychic_ | I can use session_id |
| 22:30.05 | _psychic_ | cookies are there |
| 22:30.13 | _psychic_ | but values don't persist :/ |
| 22:30.29 | macnewbold | hm |
| 22:30.38 | macnewbold | sounds like the cookie isn't getting sent back to the server maybe? |
| 22:30.47 | macnewbold | check in $_COOKIES and see if the session cookie is in there |
| 22:31.49 | _psychic_ | yep :/ |
| 22:31.59 | _psychic_ | shows the ID the same as session_id() |
| 22:32.35 | macnewbold | okay, then it is looking like they are disabled |
| 22:32.43 | macnewbold | it isn't filling $_SESSION when you call session start, |
| 22:32.46 | macnewbold | even though the cookie is there |
| 22:32.56 | macnewbold | if there isn't something you can do in php.ini to correct it, |
| 22:33.07 | macnewbold | I think you'll have to recompile without --disable-sessions |
| 22:33.12 | _psychic_ | the odd thing is that my login procedure fills the keys, but not the values |
| 22:33.35 | _psychic_ | well - this project is a mess already, so I'm trying to explore all other options before having him do that I guess |
| 22:34.01 | macnewbold | what OS is he on? |
| 22:34.23 | _psychic_ | SUSE I think |
| 22:34.43 | macnewbold | it should be pretty easy to reinstall php on anything that isn't windows, I think |
| 22:35.03 | macnewbold | but it seems pretty clear that if he built it with --disable-sessions, and you need sessions, that a rebuild is in order |
| 22:35.17 | macnewbold | you might check php.net for what exactly --disable-sessions does |
| 22:35.23 | macnewbold | or if it doesn't say, there's always the source |
| 22:36.18 | _psychic_ | there's a single mention, but I'm still not sure it overrides the lower section. |
| 22:40.29 | macnewbold | yeah, it's weird |
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| 23:12.39 | beandog | man |
| 23:12.46 | beandog | why do *my* emails take forever to post to the list? |
| 23:12.55 | beandog | I think wps has got me blacklisted or something. ;) |
| 23:13.00 | wps | :) |
| 23:13.03 | wps | nope |
| 23:13.03 | _psychic_ | mine too |
| 23:13.43 | beandog | maybe its a two-tiered ML |
| 23:15.37 | beandog | Ah there it goes |
| 23:15.42 | beandog | Quick, everyone respond to my email :D |
| 23:16.17 | _psychic_ | you Steve Dibb? |
| 23:16.30 | beandog | yahps |
| 23:17.07 | _psychic_ | beandog: wouldn't that depend on your DB? |
| 23:17.16 | beandog | uh |
| 23:17.20 | beandog | does it? |
| 23:17.37 | beandog | I know Ive gotten it working before, either way. |
| 23:17.40 | beandog | I just wanna debug stuff. |
| 23:17.56 | beandog | And pulling out $db->last_query isn't the most fun way. |
| 23:18.04 | _psychic_ | not sure, I guess.. haven't used pear db for a while :/ |
| 23:18.40 | beandog | Im trying to get away from using it too, but in rare cases, its a nice tool to use. |
| 23:21.42 | mindjuju | wps, is that anavi design site yours? |
| 23:21.55 | beandog | Hmm, I dont think its gonna work. It looks like the whole thing is designed to pass the data into execute() and that's it. |
| 23:22.08 | wps | yes, mindjuju |
| 23:22.51 | mindjuju | we REALLY need to have some kind of directory of each other's skills, i'm looking at these tradeshow booths, we actually just put one together, but it was like pulling teeth. wish i'd known that was your game |
| 23:23.07 | mindjuju | your tradeshow booths look awesome |
| 23:23.15 | wps | I do everything |
| 23:23.21 | wps | let me know what you want and I'll get it done |
| 23:23.56 | wps | ;) |
| 23:23.56 | mindjuju | i know they are doing another show in a couple of months, i'll see what up |
| 23:24.20 | mindjuju | this i know for sure, they weren't very happy with the way things went |