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| 02:57.54 | bigdog_ut | wps you around? |
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| 03:01.36 | mindjuju | yo bigdog, sup |
| 03:04.06 | bigdog_ut | evenin mindjuju...howz it going? |
| 03:04.24 | mindjuju | just workin', u? |
| 03:05.56 | bigdog_ut | emails |
| 03:06.04 | bigdog_ut | about ready to do some gaming and then some work |
| 03:06.08 | bigdog_ut | fun before work |
| 03:06.23 | bigdog_ut | how are things goin for ya? |
| 03:07.18 | mindjuju | ah, same ole same ole, trying to push the envelope |
| 03:07.50 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 03:07.54 | bigdog_ut | bbl |
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| 16:13.47 | macnewbold | wps: any luck on the meeting for Thursday? |
| 16:14.30 | wps | nope |
| 16:14.43 | wps | I've been trying to come up with something that I can present on myself, but haven't had any grand ideas yet |
| 16:23.02 | wps | shall we cancel? |
| 16:24.13 | jsmith | Naw... you can always just have everyone spend 10 minutes telling programming horror stories -- so that everyone can learn from other's mistakes. |
| 16:24.23 | wps | :) |
| 16:34.15 | macnewbold | but make sure we have treats there if that's the case |
| 16:35.48 | macnewbold | maybe Utah_Dave could present something, or _psychic_ |
| 16:35.55 | macnewbold | If we're going to cancel, |
| 16:35.59 | macnewbold | we ought to do it today |
| 16:36.09 | macnewbold | and if we're not going to cancel, we ought to announce the plan today |
| 17:15.38 | Utah_Dave | I would volunteer for Thursday, but I'm the guy that needs to learn |
| 17:16.09 | macnewbold | not true, not true |
| 17:16.25 | macnewbold | almost everyone has something they could share |
| 17:16.47 | macnewbold | because there are people that come that probably don't know about your topic, |
| 17:16.50 | macnewbold | even if they know other stuff |
| 17:29.05 | herlo | I think a programming get together would be nice. I need to spend some time getting some coding done. We could use each other as a resource |
| 17:29.16 | herlo | or a social event |
| 17:29.39 | macnewbold | sure, maybe a live demo or something. See what we can build in an hour or two. |
| 17:29.48 | macnewbold | social event: yes, what happened to the BBQ plans? |
| 17:30.04 | herlo | macnewbold: that'd be fun for me |
| 17:30.34 | herlo | but I was thinking more along the lines of we each bring something to code, and ask questions of others (in person) and get good design ideas, etc.... |
| 17:31.06 | herlo | we could order dinner (Thai or Indian anyone?) as well |
| 17:31.25 | herlo | a couple hours, then get out of Linux Networx hair |
| 17:37.42 | jsmith | I can probably come for the first hour. |
| 17:45.15 | macnewbold | let's see what wps thinks... |
| 17:49.10 | wps | sounds good to me |
| 18:30.57 | herlo | there we go!! |
| 18:31.34 | herlo | somebody change the topic.... |
| 18:31.52 | herlo | and post to uphpu too |
| 18:33.53 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> meeting tomorrow, 5/17 @ 7, Night of code |
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| 18:37.33 | wps | great, a split personality |
| 18:40.19 | macnewbol1 | you know me well enough not to be surprised by that, don't you? ;) |
| 18:45.29 | wps | herlo: done |
| 19:24.54 | herlo | wps: cool |
| 19:39.06 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> meeting Thursday, 5/17 @ 7, Night of code |
| 19:39.18 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> meeting Thursday @ 7, Night of code |
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| 20:06.16 | fungus | The meeting announcement said the meeting is tomorrow 5/17, might want to send a retraction. |
| 20:10.59 | wps | thanks, fe |
| 20:11.07 | wps | thanks, fungus |
| 20:21.17 | fungus | wow, could Java actually be viable in the future? |
| 20:21.17 | fungus | http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2156205/sun-promises-open-source-java |
| 20:21.40 | _psychic_ | they've also promised solaris, right? |
| 20:21.47 | _psychic_ | has that happened? |
| 20:21.54 | fungus | yup |
| 20:22.26 | fungus | I was playing with solaris 10 today. -Hated it- |
| 20:23.30 | fungus | If Sun actually does open source java, I might actually have to buckle down and learn it. |
| 20:23.37 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 20:23.46 | _psychic_ | Java is good stuff, but I like scripting languages for web stuff |
| 20:25.03 | fungus | Yeah, PHP has got the web stuff down. Perhaps some day the other P* languages will catch up in that realm. |
| 20:26.19 | fungus | Although reading about django looks like python might get the web stuff finally. And if that is as good as it sounds, php will be left in the dust. |
| 20:28.08 | _psychic_ | PHP has great frameworks as well though |
| 20:28.44 | fungus | yeah, but python is awesome. The only thing holding it back for me was the web stuff. |
| 20:28.57 | _psychic_ | what do you like about it? |
| 20:32.20 | fungus | Real OO, not a hack job like php. |
| 20:33.18 | _psychic_ | "Real" as in... interfaces and abstract classes and stuff? |
| 20:35.16 | fungus | Real as in, everything is an object. designed for OO from the start. |
| 20:35.39 | fungus | "My name is Lonnie".reverse() |
| 20:35.49 | fungus | "einnoL si eman yM" |
| 20:36.21 | fungus | how cool is that, even literals are objects. :) |
| 20:37.09 | _psychic_ | you won't need much to learn Java then |
| 20:37.19 | _psychic_ | it has primitive types, but everything else is an object |
| 20:37.40 | fungus | I never wanted to learn due to it's restrictive license. |
| 20:42.27 | macnewbold | I never wanted to learn it due to it's (a) lousy performance (b) hilarious "portability" and (c) resource greed |
| 20:42.57 | macnewbold | if I don't want to do _everything_ in an OO style, then python probably isn't the language for me... |
| 20:43.14 | fungus | It's performance has increased greatly over the years, but portability and resources are still an issue IIRC. |
| 20:43.30 | _psychic_ | Java? |
| 20:43.50 | macnewbold | hehe, maybe they increased performance by demanding more resources and optimizing for only a few platforms :) |
| 20:43.57 | macnewbold | yeah, java |
| 20:44.07 | macnewbold | I know some |
| 20:44.12 | macnewbold | but haven't used it in forever |
| 20:44.14 | fungus | actually you can do stuff in python in a procedural way, but the libraries will all be accessed in an OO way. |
| 20:44.31 | macnewbold | because ever since I got past those classes in school, I have been able to choose my languages |
| 20:44.40 | macnewbold | so I chose what fit the job at hand, and Java wasn't ever it :) |
| 20:44.41 | fungus | but, python isn't good for web stuff. really painful |
| 20:45.07 | fungus | python for web is about as bad as perl for web. :) |
| 20:45.21 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:45.58 | fungus | Yeah, different languages are better for different things. I use each to their strengths, or at least I try. |
| 20:46.30 | _psychic_ | JSP wasn't too bad |
| 20:46.38 | _psychic_ | But its just slower :( |
| 20:46.46 | _psychic_ | to develop at least |
| 20:46.50 | fungus | After reading more about Django, I think I will just stick with php for web stuff. |
| 20:48.41 | fungus | That was my problem with django, too much like cake, rails, etc. |
| 20:50.43 | herlo | codeigniter looked cool last time when we were showing it.... |
| 20:51.44 | fungus | I am not using it to it's potential yet, but that is why it is so wonderful. No nasty restrictions just to keep with the framework conventions. |
| 20:57.31 | fungus | I could show it off a bit. |
| 20:58.22 | macnewbold | yeah, I'd like to see it |
| 20:58.33 | macnewbold | john taber mentioned it a while back and it sounded great |
| 20:58.40 | macnewbold | but I haven't had time to look at it yet |
| 20:58.51 | fungus | yeah, he was the one that got me to look at it. |
| 21:01.13 | herlo | well, I think the night of code is a great idea, I so need to write some code for lardwars.com |
| 21:01.28 | herlo | my new site needs to be up and running by the end of the month... |
| 21:01.39 | herlo | and maybe codeigniter can do it for me |
| 21:01.43 | herlo | quickly that is |
| 21:07.02 | _psychic_ | the nice thing with conventions is that you get lots of free work done for you - to each his own, though I suppose. |
| 21:16.28 | _psychic_ | its a lot like cake |
| 21:16.53 | fungus | Yes, but you have more flexibility |
| 21:17.05 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 21:17.38 | _psychic_ | its the same basic pattern |
| 21:18.15 | fungus | Yes, it uses the same MVC model |
| 21:18.26 | _psychic_ | yeah but its almost the exact same setup too |
| 21:20.07 | mindjuju | hey, did we decide who was going to do the presentation? |
| 22:10.35 | herlo | mindjuju: /topic |
| 22:14.31 | fungus | mindjuju: uphpu-announce, uphpu.org, ... :) |
| 22:16.22 | herlo | ~help mindjuju |
| 22:16.55 | herlo | aww, I was being nice |
| 22:17.04 | herlo | ibot: help mindjuju |
| 22:26.20 | mindjuju | ok, i'm back, what did i miss |
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| 23:12.54 | herlo | mindjuju: /topic |
| 23:13.15 | herlo | (16:14:59) fungus: mindjuju: uphpu-announce, uphpu.org, ... :) |
| 23:13.15 | herlo | (16:16:42) ***herlo grins |
| 23:13.15 | herlo | (16:16:50) herlo: ~help mindjuju |
| 23:13.15 | herlo | (16:17:23) herlo: aww, I was being nice |
| 23:13.15 | herlo | (16:17:31) herlo: ibot: help mindjuju |
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