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| 01:40.28 | herlo | so who's going to the meeting tomorrow night, and are there any good references I should look at before I go? |
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| 05:04.46 | bigdog_ut | evening all |
| 05:39.51 | arnie_ | evening |
| 06:59.17 | bigdog_ut | everyone is asleep but the bigdog |
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| 15:18.03 | dataw0lf | http://ivygis.justec.co.in/ |
| 15:42.45 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Meeting Tonight: SQLite! at 7pm, presented by fungus |
| 15:45.51 | dataw0lf | SQLite! for PHP 5, 4 or both? |
| 15:46.12 | dataw0lf | I mean, will he go into PDOs? |
| 15:46.13 | jsmith | And once again, I can't make it to the meeting... Why do I even try? |
| 15:46.32 | wps | because you are edified by being in our presence |
| 15:46.42 | jsmith | Of course I am! |
| 15:46.47 | jsmith | That's the whole reason! |
| 15:46.55 | jsmith | I enjoy being in the presence of greatness! |
| 15:47.33 | wps | :) |
| 15:47.44 | jsmith | Probably offend everyone though... |
| 15:51.13 | dataw0lf | if they're anything like you... |
| 15:51.15 | dataw0lf | just j/king |
| 15:51.17 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 15:59.38 | jsmith | Unfortunately, they're like me |
| 15:59.53 | jsmith | My 7-year-old son is already a computer nerd, and wants to learn to program |
| 16:01.39 | dataw0lf | that's awesome |
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| 16:09.01 | RyanE | I'm coming tonight. Woo Hoo! |
| 16:09.07 | herlo | Me too!! |
| 16:09.32 | RyanE | I should bring MagBlast... :) |
| 16:09.45 | herlo | mmm, magblast |
| 16:09.47 | jsmith | RyanE: You know, that's not a bad idea -- |
| 16:10.06 | RyanE | hehe. I think Linux Networx would kick us out before we could finish, though. |
| 16:10.27 | jsmith | Most likely... |
| 16:11.44 | dataw0lf | magblast? |
| 16:12.00 | herlo | yeah, it's a BLAST |
| 16:12.06 | herlo | :-P |
| 16:12.16 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 16:13.57 | RyanE | yeah, that's what you missed two weeks ago at Games Night. |
| 16:14.11 | RyanE | This week, you missed Robo Rally, which is also pretty fun. |
| 16:14.30 | RyanE | of course, you would have had your butt kicked by me, like herlo did. :) |
| 16:14.48 | dataw0lf | pshaw |
| 16:14.50 | herlo | haha RyanE |
| 16:14.56 | dataw0lf | I keep on missing games night |
| 16:14.56 | herlo | it was still close.... |
| 16:15.01 | dataw0lf | it's just too far away |
| 16:15.10 | herlo | dataw0lf: where do you live? |
| 16:15.25 | RyanE | yeah, Springville is quite a distance for SL Valley people |
| 16:15.39 | dataw0lf | herlo: 33rd South and Highland in SLC |
| 16:15.40 | jsmith | Amen to that! |
| 16:15.48 | herlo | its true, we are happy to move it around, its just we already have more than enough... |
| 16:15.57 | herlo | but we always like more |
| 16:16.12 | dataw0lf | you don't need to move it, it's just going to be a while until I can actually make it. |
| 16:16.21 | jsmith | herlo: Sometimes |
| 16:16.37 | herlo | dataw0lf: either way, its fun to have different people come... |
| 16:16.38 | jsmith | herlo: It's certainly easier to convince my wife if she knows I'm gonna talk Asterisk |
| 16:16.44 | dataw0lf | "Bankrupt Delta Airlines promises employees free T-shirt if they stick around to clean up planes during their free time" |
| 16:16.47 | herlo | jsmith: I bet |
| 16:16.56 | dataw0lf | http://www.sptimes.com/2006/04/20/Business/Clean_for_pride__not_.shtml |
| 16:17.06 | herlo | free T-shirts? |
| 16:17.16 | dataw0lf | yea. Good luck with that, Delta. |
| 16:17.59 | herlo | well, if you wanna keep your job, you might just do it |
| 16:18.23 | herlo | 300 people already volunteered...weak start |
| 16:18.46 | dataw0lf | well, if to keep my job I had to start working for t-shirts, I'd probably be lookin' for another job. |
| 16:18.58 | herlo | true, true |
| 16:19.03 | herlo | but that's just your night job |
| 16:19.24 | herlo | if you wanted to keep your day job which does pay well, you might just do it.... |
| 16:21.44 | herlo | I especially like this part: t's legal for employers to ask workers to volunteer their time as long as it's not "tongue in cheek (where) if you don't volunteer, you don't have a job," said Dean Papas, an employment lawyer in Tampa. |
| 16:25.40 | dataw0lf | I just think it's terrible to make lower class people, which most of those employees they're doing this to are, work for no money. |
| 16:26.10 | herlo | its not unprecedented |
| 16:26.18 | herlo | not that it makes it right |
| 16:26.50 | herlo | I just think that if you are dedicated to your employer and they make it work in the long run, doing this sort of volunteer work in lean times could help you in good times.... |
| 16:27.19 | jsmith | They may just be weeding out good employees from bad employees too... |
| 16:28.34 | herlo | could be, but its not like their going to get fired for not volunteering |
| 16:28.45 | herlo | if that happens, lawsuits here we come |
| 16:28.50 | macnewbold | yep |
| 16:29.43 | jsmith | No, but when they give out raises, they can certainly give out raises to the people who volunteered. |
| 16:34.06 | herlo | jsmith: agreed |
| 16:34.22 | herlo | and I think that's a valid point I already sort of made |
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| 19:41.37 | mindjuju | where are we on the bbq? last I saw was a little while ago and ya'll wanted me to reserve a park in draper. Are ya'll still game for draper, if so what days? |
| 19:51.14 | mindjuju | everybody appears to be sleeping or working, prolly the first |
| 19:51.23 | mindjuju | ~frenchassault dataw0lf |
| 19:51.24 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! dataw0lf, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 19:51.52 | fungus | zZzzzzzZzZZZZZz |
| 19:52.29 | mindjuju | ~wiseguy fungus |
| 19:52.30 | jbot | ACTION runs up to fungus and pokes fungus in the eyes! |
| 19:53.14 | mindjuju | hey, that reminds me, your a big ashdown advocate, aren't you fungus? |
| 19:53.25 | mindjuju | i got a car decal if you want it |
| 19:54.08 | fungus | I am an advocate of his political campaign, not his business. |
| 19:54.10 | fungus | :) |
| 19:54.40 | mindjuju | i'll bring ya the sticker tonight, if your going to the meeting |
| 19:55.07 | fungus | hrm, I might not go... |
| 19:55.09 | fungus | j/k |
| 19:55.34 | mindjuju | well! i just might have to paste it covertly to your car! |
| 19:56.58 | fungus | I will vote for anyone who runs against Orrin Hatch. |
| 19:58.40 | mindjuju | not a big hatch fan, huh? Is it his support of the DMCA or what? |
| 19:58.48 | mindjuju | if you don't mind me asking |
| 19:58.54 | mindjuju | just curious |
| 19:59.18 | fungus | primarily his attempts to destroy our culture w/ IP laws |
| 20:00.07 | mindjuju | hmm... not familiar with that aspect of his political career |
| 20:00.36 | fungus | DMCA is one small part of his political goals |
| 20:00.48 | mindjuju | yeah, not a big fan of the dmca |
| 20:01.40 | fungus | http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/18/orrin_hatch_is_head_.html |
| 20:02.22 | fungus | http://www.eff.org/IP/Apple_Complaint.php |
| 20:02.25 | fungus | etc, etc, etc. |
| 20:08.37 | fungus | I welcome anyone who wants to know more about copyright to watch Larry Lessig's video about it. |
| 20:08.38 | fungus | http://www.archive.org/details/ReadWriteCulture |
| 20:15.09 | mindjuju | a lot of this greatly concerns me, i think we see eye to eye on this one, fungus |
| 20:15.45 | mindjuju | one thing i really wanted to research was the broadcast flag and trying to seal off the analog hole thing |
| 20:16.04 | fungus | Yes, all very important topics. |
| 20:17.28 | mindjuju | funny thing is that I sent a letter off to Orin after I moved to Utah telling him that I didn't agree with the DMCA, i guess the reader didn't really read the letter and sent me a form letter back saying how much they appreciated my support of the DMCA and would send me more info as it became available |
| 20:18.05 | mindjuju | nothing like a person who is suppose to advocate for you; who isn't paying attention |
| 20:18.08 | fungus | Yuck, that sucks |
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| 21:46.26 | mindjuju | phony doctor giving out free exams for women! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060420/od_nm/breasts_dc |
| 21:47.15 | macnewbold | yeah, I was expecting dataw0lf's picture on that one, but it wasn't him this time |
| 21:57.05 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 21:57.15 | dataw0lf | I did that in Provo, not Florida |
| 21:57.16 | dataw0lf | sheesh |
| 21:57.17 | dataw0lf | duh |
| 22:00.20 | dataw0lf | I'm in a good mood, though. Free laptop from work is aheaded this way. Should be here in 15 minutes or so. |
| 22:00.23 | dataw0lf | Huzzah! |
| 22:05.02 | RyanE | free laptop == free work laptop, or really free laptop? |
| 22:05.31 | mindjuju | i just got a laptop too. not brand new, but new to me |
| 22:05.38 | mindjuju | what kind you getting dataw0lf? |
| 22:09.17 | dataw0lf | toshiba satellite |
| 22:09.31 | dataw0lf | I don't think the price mattered, but I didn't want to break the bank, so I stuck to a 1300 dollar model. |
| 22:10.08 | fungus | You should have got a MacBook Pro. :P |
| 22:10.26 | dataw0lf | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114198 |
| 22:10.29 | dataw0lf | fungus: nevar! |
| 22:10.48 | dataw0lf | fungus / macnewbold: what's BSD wireless and ACPI like these days? In other words, for laptops? |
| 22:11.01 | dataw0lf | I might dual boot it with Debian so I can get a lil more experience with BSD system calls. |
| 22:11.03 | macnewbold | haven't tried it myself, |
| 22:11.11 | macnewbold | but the BSD wireless drivers have been pretty good |
| 22:11.20 | fungus | FreeBSD 6 added some great wireless drivers. |
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| 22:11.29 | macnewbold | atheros chipset support is good I hear, which is most B/G (or was it A/B/G? cards) |
| 22:13.21 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: it'd be better than OS X! |
| 22:13.23 | dataw0lf | :-D |
| 22:13.29 | dataw0lf | fungus/macnewbold: coolio. thnx. |
| 22:14.11 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: what type of laptop did you get? |
| 22:14.28 | mindjuju | ibm thinkpad g40 which i thought was cool until i saw yours |
| 22:14.33 | dataw0lf | My boss tried to get me to get the Macbook pro, and honestly, if not for airport, I would. |
| 22:14.42 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: psh, thinkpads are nice. |
| 22:15.06 | mindjuju | how much ram you put in your laptop? |
| 22:15.17 | dataw0lf | 1 gig |
| 22:15.59 | dataw0lf | don't need much more than that. I doubt I'll be running Microstation and ArcGIS on it. |
| 22:16.13 | dataw0lf | unless I replace my workstation with it... |
| 22:16.27 | mindjuju | well, you've got bigger screen, longer battery |
| 22:16.27 | macnewbold | eww |
| 22:16.37 | mindjuju | ha ha! you get xp home! |
| 22:16.47 | macnewbold | laptops as desktop replacements aren't my favorite |
| 22:17.00 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Yeah, that might be a problem... if I ever used Windows. |
| 22:17.21 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: Yeah, me neither, but I need it at work and I hate having my desk cluttered. |
| 22:17.35 | dataw0lf | I'll probably just throw the laptop on my kvm. |
| 22:17.50 | macnewbold | there ya go |
| 22:18.04 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I thought the g40 had excellent battery life. It's big enough. |
| 22:18.10 | macnewbold | yeah, having a laptop and a desktop really crowds a desk |
| 22:18.18 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: I'll have to pull a machine off of my four port kvm though :\ |
| 22:18.26 | mindjuju | yup, that's what I've done. KVM the laptop and sync with the server. and put critical files in encrypted drive (ibm software) |
| 22:18.31 | macnewbold | or have work buy you an 8-port KVM :) |
| 22:18.36 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Or get a bigger KVM |
| 22:18.38 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:18.44 | jsmith | macnewbold: Great minds think alike! |
| 22:18.52 | macnewbold | or (HACK ALERT) plug a 2-port KVM into one of the ports on your 4-port KVM... |
| 22:18.58 | dataw0lf | hax hax! |
| 22:19.20 | dataw0lf | it's funny when you get a four port kvm and you're like 'huzzah, so many workstations.' yet, you wish you had more ports |
| 22:19.23 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm thinkin the 8-port is the way to go |
| 22:19.26 | dataw0lf | happening at my house right now |
| 22:19.32 | dataw0lf | 'where the hell am I going to put Solaris?!' |
| 22:20.39 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:20.54 | mindjuju | got to split for a meeting, cya'll at the meeting |
| 22:20.54 | macnewbold | have work buy the 8-port and "loan" you the 4-port to "test" at home |
| 22:20.58 | macnewbold | c'ya |
| 22:21.02 | macnewbold | well, tonight, miss ya |
| 22:21.05 | dataw0lf | any suggestions on brand for kvms, btw? iogear and hawkings really bug me. |
| 22:21.10 | macnewbold | but next time see ya probably |
| 22:21.11 | jsmith | dataw0lf: I'm looking for a 2x8 or 2x16 port KVM... two keyboards, two monitors, and a bunch of machines... |
| 22:21.14 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: oh, I got the 4 port at home |
| 22:21.22 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Justcom |
| 22:21.34 | dataw0lf | jsmith: hm, I'll check it out. |
| 22:21.38 | jsmith | dataw0lf: (or might be with two m's) |
| 22:21.54 | dataw0lf | jsmith: you seen my 16 port kvm w/ lcd & keyboard at work? I love it. |
| 22:22.00 | dataw0lf | all rackmounted hawtness and stuff |
| 22:22.05 | jsmith | That sucks... |
| 22:22.21 | dataw0lf | http://dataw0lf.phonese.cx/comments.php?690 |
| 22:22.32 | dataw0lf | umm... ignore the errors! |
| 22:22.35 | dataw0lf | -D |
| 22:22.42 | dataw0lf | s/-D/:-D |
| 22:23.34 | jsmith | Hate the keyboard |
| 22:23.38 | jsmith | Hate the LCD |
| 22:23.40 | jsmith | Like the KVM |
| 22:24.38 | fungus | I really need to get my serial console server running. KVM cables can get messy. |
| 22:25.25 | dataw0lf | yea they can. |
| 22:25.29 | dataw0lf | serial console servers++ |
| 22:25.57 | jsmith | Cyclades? |
| 22:25.59 | jsmith | WTI? |
| 22:26.02 | jsmith | What brand? |
| 22:26.43 | macnewbold | I've used Cyclades before |
| 22:26.58 | dataw0lf | I have a Lantronix |
| 22:27.03 | dataw0lf | and Cyclades rock |
| 22:27.39 | macnewbold | I wished we had the kind that you could connect to over TCP/IP instead of always having to use tip or minicomm or something and accessing a serial port locally on the server |
| 22:28.35 | dataw0lf | yea laptop here! |
| 22:41.00 | fungus | I have an old Portmaster 2 that I am going to use for my serial console server. |
| 22:41.02 | dataw0lf | gawrsh c'mon, windows. |
| 22:41.28 | dataw0lf | fungus: Lucent? |
| 22:41.47 | fungus | Yup. |
| 22:44.20 | dataw0lf | word |
| 22:44.26 | fungus | What I really need are remote controlled power strips. |
| 22:44.43 | macnewbold | fungus: we used some up at emulab |
| 22:44.52 | macnewbold | there are a couple different kinds we used, and they're pretty sweet |
| 22:45.09 | fungus | yeah, getting up and driving to work at 3am, to hit the damned power button really sucks. |
| 22:45.11 | macnewbold | we had some 8-outlet APC ones that were accessible over TCP/IP or serial, |
| 22:45.25 | macnewbold | and some 20-outlet Baytechs, that only did serial |
| 22:45.43 | dataw0lf | I'm a fan of APC stuff |
| 22:45.45 | macnewbold | yeah, this was about 3 years ago |
| 22:45.45 | jsmith | The ServerTechs aren't that bad, either... |
| 22:45.51 | macnewbold | never tried them |
| 22:45.54 | dataw0lf | jsmith: mmm, ServerTech rock. |
| 22:46.01 | macnewbold | fungus: I highly recommend them if you're driving down there at 3am |
| 22:46.03 | fungus | Which ones are cheap? |
| 22:46.06 | dataw0lf | I <3 the APC remote power strips |
| 22:46.18 | fungus | My company is poor. :( |
| 22:46.23 | macnewbold | last time we bought any, the baytechs were less per outlet |
| 22:46.31 | macnewbold | at like $20/outlet |
| 22:46.33 | macnewbold | IIRC |
| 22:46.41 | jsmith | Sounds about right... |
| 22:46.55 | fungus | that sounds reasonable. |
| 22:46.58 | macnewbold | the 8-port APCs were about $200-250 I think |
| 22:47.09 | dataw0lf | who do you guys have for internal building power? |
| 22:47.14 | dataw0lf | I need a good company for rewiring and stuff like that. |
| 22:47.38 | macnewbold | like electrician? |
| 22:47.42 | dataw0lf | righto |
| 22:47.47 | macnewbold | hm |
| 22:48.37 | fungus | I might just purchase a small one for my problematic servers first. (cough windows) |
| 22:48.57 | macnewbold | ah |
| 22:49.04 | macnewbold | yes, highly important for a box like that |
| 22:49.21 | macnewbold | you may want to set up a cron job or something to auto-reboot it for you when it gets unresponsive... |
| 22:49.51 | macnewbold | on the APCs, make sure you've firewalled them off properly so that only authorized machines can send requests to reboot stuff |
| 22:49.55 | macnewbold | (it's SNMP controlled) |
| 22:49.55 | dataw0lf | fungus: you're trying to say something, aren't ya! |
| 22:50.08 | fungus | dataw0lf: yup. :) |
| 22:50.11 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 22:50.22 | macnewbold | and on the serial connections, make sure your serial server is highly reliable, and that you never need to reboot it :) |
| 22:50.23 | dataw0lf | don't worry, I'm coloing to xmission this summer. |
| 22:50.29 | macnewbold | XM rocks |
| 22:50.35 | dataw0lf | heck ya |
| 22:50.36 | macnewbold | (no offense to Aros.net employees) |
| 22:50.43 | fungus | :( |
| 22:50.48 | macnewbold | we just got into a locking cab down at xm's colo |
| 22:50.52 | dataw0lf | aros net rocks too. |
| 22:51.00 | dataw0lf | but I need XM for what i'm about to do. |
| 22:51.01 | fungus | My coloc room isn't as fancy, but it is pretty good. |
| 22:51.02 | macnewbold | the 1/3 cab we were going to use for 3-4 months until the 1/4 cabs are ready |
| 22:51.07 | macnewbold | was busted on arrival, |
| 22:51.16 | macnewbold | so they put us in a 1/2 for 3-4 months at no extra cost |
| 22:52.06 | macnewbold | their coloc business has been growing like wildfire |
| 22:52.19 | macnewbold | when I first installed there a couple of years ago, they had not even a dozen racks |
| 22:52.27 | synic | and it was cold in there... |
| 22:52.33 | synic | now it's getting fairly warm |
| 22:52.43 | macnewbold | now they've got probably 50-70 racks, most of them locking cabs |
| 22:52.44 | jsmith | Ah, I miss the good ol' days when I helped manage over 200 racks of equipment... |
| 22:53.01 | macnewbold | (that's just their coloc room, not the room with their own servers) |
| 22:53.15 | fungus | I am trying to get my boss to build a new coloc facility, but he wants to do lame stuff like VISP, wireless, and even crazy ideas like video services. |
| 22:53.16 | macnewbold | jsmith: where? omniture? |
| 22:53.42 | macnewbold | fungus: XM is still taking applications... http://www.xmission.com/jobs/ |
| 22:53.58 | fungus | "We have no job openings at this time" |
| 22:54.27 | fungus | Also, the idea of going back to Tech Support frightens me. |
| 22:54.40 | macnewbold | doh |
| 22:54.50 | macnewbold | they'd probably promote you quickly |
| 22:55.13 | macnewbold | I bet you might even be able to get hooked up as a "transfer" admin, so you could skip the front lines |
| 22:55.51 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: afaik, I think you HAVE to start as support at XM, right? |
| 22:55.56 | dataw0lf | but they'll promote you rather quickly. |
| 22:56.08 | macnewbold | in general, that's what they do |
| 22:56.12 | fungus | Yeah, everyone starts as support. |
| 22:56.19 | dataw0lf | http://dataw0lf.phonese.cx/comments.php?1824 |
| 22:56.22 | fungus | Except for one programmer |
| 22:56.24 | macnewbold | but I don't know what they do for people who were already admins elsewhere |
| 22:56.46 | macnewbold | especially Sr. Admin, like fungus is |
| 22:57.02 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: Chris told me (LD, Senior sys admin there) even sr guys will start as tech support. |
| 22:57.10 | dataw0lf | because he was trying to entice me to go over there. |
| 22:57.20 | dataw0lf | I was like 'I'm never answering phones again in my life, buddy' |
| 22:57.23 | macnewbold | yeah, well LD's not in charge... ;) |
| 22:57.36 | macnewbold | LD's pretty cool sometimes though |
| 22:57.43 | fungus | Doing support for MSN made me allergic to phones. |
| 22:57.43 | dataw0lf | yea, he lives right beneath me. |
| 22:57.47 | macnewbold | I hear sometimes they call him LSD instead |
| 22:57.50 | macnewbold | ah, right |
| 22:57.55 | dataw0lf | I did phone support for like a week |
| 22:57.58 | macnewbold | oh, well MSN, no wonder |
| 22:57.58 | dataw0lf | when I was 15 |
| 22:58.04 | macnewbold | XM phone support is _much_ different |
| 22:58.05 | dataw0lf | killed that job area for me |
| 22:58.10 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: it's true |
| 22:58.17 | dataw0lf | they actually are competent. |
| 22:58.20 | macnewbold | totally |
| 22:58.21 | dataw0lf | and you get hands on training. |
| 22:58.25 | fungus | Yeah, I know. They stole our good techs. |
| 22:58.30 | macnewbold | and I bet they have smarter customers, too |
| 22:58.45 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: you'd like to think that! |
| 22:59.24 | macnewbold | I already know that smart people choose XM, it's a question of how many not-so-smart people choose XM because a smart person said they should... ;) |
| 23:00.12 | macnewbold | think of the short stint on the phones as on-the-job training for how XM is set up and how they're different |
| 23:00.51 | fungus | true, but I have some other gigs lined up... just in case. |
| 23:01.32 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: hehe |
| 23:01.34 | dataw0lf | alright guys |
| 23:01.37 | dataw0lf | I'll try to make it tonight |
| 23:01.44 | fungus | speaking of... I better get to the bank to cash my check before it bounces. |
| 23:01.51 | macnewbold | no kidding... |
| 23:01.58 | fungus | Hope to see you at the meeting. |
| 23:02.09 | macnewbold | I won't be there, but hopefully dw will be |
| 23:02.16 | macnewbold | and we're sending Brian who works here |
| 23:02.32 | macnewbold | I'll make sure to have him mention code greene when he introduces himself |
| 23:02.33 | fungus | cool. |
| 23:03.12 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: you still hiring? |
| 23:04.13 | macnewbold | yeah, we're looking for another person if we can find the right one |
| 23:04.30 | macnewbold | we found one who we made an offer to, but he didn't want to move from Happy Valley |
| 23:04.35 | macnewbold | or commute daily |
| 23:04.43 | macnewbold | why, you looking? |
| 23:04.48 | macnewbold | or know someone good who is? |
| 23:07.14 | dataw0lf | I might be. |
| 23:07.28 | dataw0lf | I might be looking to work two jobs |
| 23:07.39 | dataw0lf | I'll talk to ya tomorrow, I gotta leave |
| 23:13.39 | macnewbold | yeah, dataw0lf, let me know |