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00:17.08Utah_DaveI'm reading an article about linux kernel options.  Supposedly if you use kexec, you can recompile your kernel and/or load another one without rebooting...
00:18.11Utah_Davedidn't know that was possible
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02:04.16bigdog_utevening all
02:04.24synicyo bigdog_ut
02:04.25jsmithHey bigdog_ut
02:04.44bigdog_uthow you guys doing?
02:05.03synicpretty dang good
02:05.33bigdog_utnice
02:05.44bigdog_uteveryone still @ work?
02:05.53synicnah, at home..
02:06.41bigdog_utsame here...just getting ready to start working for the night
02:08.28bigdog_utjsmith, why you @ a hotel
02:08.53jsmithIn Washington D.C. doing consulting
02:09.13bigdog_utfor your day job?
02:09.44jsmithYup
02:09.52bigdog_utoh
02:09.56bigdog_utthat sounds like fun
02:10.13jsmithI love getting paid to hack and consult and teach about free software
02:10.15bigdog_utyou getting out on the town
02:11.28synicman I love python...
02:22.01synicI should install it...
02:22.11bigdog_uti use it at work all the time
02:22.27bigdog_uti like ot have it on my windows box watching my servers
02:22.43synicah, I forgot that you could do that.
02:22.55synicgkrellmd?
02:23.02bigdog_utits nice you can set alerts on it too
02:23.03bigdog_utyep
02:23.59bigdog_utyou just need to set up some config for it though
02:24.15synichehe, already got it running
02:24.20synicI guess debian has some defaults or something
02:24.26synic'cause I'm watching my server now
02:24.34bigdog_utcool
02:24.38bigdog_utthat is what i do
02:25.12bigdog_utnice to have for some quick stats
02:28.39synicI wonder if you can have a separate gkrellm for each server
02:28.51synic'cause we have 4 I'd like to watch
02:29.02bigdog_utwhat do you mean?
02:29.10bigdog_utlike run 4 little apps?
02:29.14synicyeah
02:29.21bigdog_utyeah i run it all different
02:29.45bigdog_uton my box here i run the local one and one more for my server
02:31.31synicah, it saves it's settings based on the server you connect to
02:31.34synicthat's cool
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17:18.29fungushttp://api.drupal.org/api/HEAD/file/developer/topics/oop.html
17:18.41fungusOOP w/o classes?
17:23.59tierrayou like drupal?
17:24.11tierraI think your the first person I've ever heard say that
17:26.38tierraThere's definately a lot worse CMSs out there, but Drupal just doesn't cut it either... I can't think of a single type of site that could really take advantage of the way it's setup
17:28.48tierraThe biggest site I've ever seen that uses Drupal is <http://edevelop.org/>, and I think that site suffers immensly because of it
17:29.14tierraat least they got it skinned with the original Enlightenment site design
17:30.34herlotierra: yes, I do, it has a very good set of configurations and is very easy to use
17:32.22herlotierra: have you seen http://spreadfirefox.com
17:32.31herloI think it does it well...
17:36.06tierraDrupal has the tendency to add way too much useless content in weird places, like the left side on there is filled with an entire column of post titles that are hard to read and figure out what they are, and I highly doubt anyone actually uses them to browse the "forum"
17:37.36tierrathat space could be better filled with useful resource links, guides, or something else IMHO
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17:40.14herlotierra: there is some stuff that's not necessary, but one of the cool things about that, is that it is really easy to remove it...
17:41.24tierraas much as I love Enlightenment, I don't use eDevelop because it's not organized in any useful fashion and is hard to browse
17:42.43tierraI've used Drupal before, and it was a pain to do anything with it or figure out how the stupid modules worked... though that was over 2 years ago
17:47.06tierrabrb, Windows won't stop bugging me about restarting after updates...
17:55.36tierraanyway, Drupal is just too caught up in providing all sorts of crazy modules that do everything that it encourages bad site design, structure, and flow
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18:10.15herlothe module developers of the core drupal project have fixed much of that, but there are some renegade developers out there that still think its cool to through everything into a big bucket and use it....
18:11.29herlothe site design issue can be done poorly no matter what you use.  If you cannot design a site, you shouldn't try to create one, but people do this every day
18:13.28herloyou can't prevent bad design.  Though I think the drupal CMS is actually well designed.  Maybe it sucked before, but now its pretty good...
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19:33.46dataw0lftierra: I've heard others say they like Drupal.
19:33.48dataw0lflowkey, for instance.
19:34.19dataw0lfhttp://feraga.com
19:34.22dataw0lfhe's using it for Feraga.
19:40.33herlodataw0lf: that sounds like a cool distro too...
19:40.51dataw0lfdistro?
19:40.57dataw0lfwhat is?
19:41.17dataw0lfoh, Feraga.  It's not really a 'distro' per se.
19:42.10herlothat's what his site says though
19:42.25herlobootable GNU/Linux...
19:42.31herlooh, I see what you're saying
19:42.37dataw0lfright
19:42.45herloit could be though
19:42.53dataw0lfright now we just write docs on installing encrypted debian on keydrives
19:43.02dataw0lfwell, we will package it
19:43.15herlobut it could just be integrated with different distros, right?
19:43.33dataw0lfI don't know other distros equivalent of debootstrap
19:43.34veruuswhat other distro is there?
19:43.37veruusI mean, seriously
19:43.39dataw0lfno kiddin
19:43.40veruus:D
19:43.41dataw0lf:D
19:43.56herloahh, I am thinking more in the knoppix world here
19:44.04dataw0lf^5
19:44.27dataw0lfherlo: just think of it as a package you'll be able to download and run and it'll install a bootable encrypted debian on your keydrive, or other portable media
19:44.27herlobut maybe I am way off, so I must be missing something...will follow-up later
19:44.52herloahh, okay,
19:46.46herloso dataw0lf, I could run this on any hardware anywhere?
19:47.25dataw0lfanything that'll boot off of usb
19:47.57herlosweet, so right now there's not a dl but soon?
19:48.52dataw0lfherlo: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 there's a guide right there
19:48.58dataw0lfby my buddy lowkey
19:49.12herlodataw0lf: tx
19:49.41herloit looks like there is on on feraga as well.  http://feraga.com/node/25
19:50.42herlobut you guys wanna make this simpler right?  Something that anyone could download onto their drive and it would just work...
19:50.48herloright?
19:51.47dataw0lfcorrect
19:52.05herlocool beans
19:55.30tierradataw0lf: oh yeah... well, lowkey sucks! (tell him I said that)
19:55.48dataw0lfyou better start locking down your network then..
20:36.44mindjujuthough that 37 shots, 37 hits picture in dataw0lf picture gallery does intimidate
20:51.31dataw0lfsir
20:51.34dataw0lfyou don't want none of this
20:52.08mindjuju:p
20:52.54mindjujuyeah, i'm one of those guys where you could say the bark is bigger than the bite, but i haven't LAN'd halo in a long time, trying to pick a fight so we can plan
20:53.01mindjujuhopefully have a group of 10 or so to play
20:53.18dataw0lfyeah, I haven't played forever, but, c'mon, gotta talk smack.
20:53.39mindjujulet's game then!  
20:53.48dataw0lfalrighty buddy.
20:53.51mindjujuanyhow, you probably photoshoped that pick
20:53.59mindjujuit was prolly 37 shots, 3.7 hits
20:54.14mindjujulike a glancing blow to the toe, that's why the .7
20:54.18dataw0lfpfft.
20:54.23dataw0lfno photoshopping there.
20:54.34mindjujusure sure
20:54.39dataw0lf30 shots with a rocket launcher, 7 headshots with a shotgun.
20:55.07mindjujuwell, with a shotgun it's hard to miss anything
20:55.20mindjujui thought it was something like the sniper rifle
20:55.27mindjujumaybe i'm not so scared after all...
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20:56.30mindjujubrb
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22:30.40diskotec|wanyone installed nagios?  if so, are there any quirks I should know about before installing it on ubuntu?
22:33.32fungus_Installing nagios is not a problem.  Configuring it is.
22:33.55diskotec|wthats what the warning said.  heh
22:34.08Utah_DaveI'd be interested in hearing how it goes for you. I've looked at it, but never installed or used it
22:34.18diskotec|wgave myself a buzz cut so I couldn't pull my hair out
22:35.12fungus_The docs are pretty good.  It would be beneficial to read a lot of them before starting to configure your hosts and services.
22:39.22diskotec|wyeah....I'm going to give it a try and I'll make sure I read as many of the docs as I can. thanks.
22:40.27fungusWhen you get into it, I can help you out.  I maintain a couple of installations of nagios right now.
22:41.01diskotec|wthat would be cool.
22:45.12diskotec|wfungus: not that it matters, but what OS are the installations on that you maintain?
22:47.11diskotec|wUtah_Dave: I'll let you know how it goes for me.  It will be for a mostly Microsoft network...I don't think that matters though.
22:47.30Utah_Davecool
22:47.31Utah_Davethanks
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22:59.23fungusdiskotec|w: I installed them on FreeBSD of course.  ;)
22:59.23diskotec|wah ok.
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23:09.59fungusnah, netsplits make too much noise.
23:09.59wpsthat's why I think they're funny
23:20.02fungusThis weather is making it very difficult to actually want to stay at work.
23:28.58fungusI give up.  I can't take it anymore.  I am going home.  Bye.
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