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| 01:27.02 | herlo | so can anyone help me with my login to uphpu? I thought I had a login, but apparently either I don't or I can't put in the right password. uphpu.org states I have exceeded my login attempts. |
| 01:39.24 | mindjuju | hmmm... wonder if wps is around, he'd be able to help in that situation |
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| 01:39.58 | mindjuju | on an unrelated issue, bigdog_ut you around? |
| 01:42.17 | mindjuju | against who synic? |
| 01:42.20 | herlo | well, I will be on here for a while, so if anyone who's anyone can help, that'd b great.... |
| 01:42.47 | synic | mindjuju: :P it's a band |
| 01:43.08 | mindjuju | hmmm... sounds like you need some breakbeats |
| 01:43.17 | synic | hehe, I usually do. |
| 01:43.31 | synic | though "Massive Attack" is a little misleading, as they are a triphop group |
| 01:43.45 | synic | (mostly downtempo) |
| 01:43.57 | mindjuju | i've heard a song from sneaker pimps, not too bad. |
| 01:44.09 | synic | six underground? |
| 01:44.22 | mindjuju | nope |
| 01:44.29 | synic | wow... that's the popular one. |
| 01:44.54 | mindjuju | i've got a membership on an online music store, i'll see if they have something |
| 01:45.08 | mindjuju | hey, quick question. |
| 01:45.10 | *** join/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@12.118.109.86) |
| 01:45.34 | mindjuju | i'm going to be storing a lot of surveys (like polls for our clients) in a database |
| 01:45.40 | mindjuju | i'm thinking these should be the fields |
| 01:45.56 | mindjuju | answerid|clientid|questionid|questionanswer |
| 01:46.08 | mindjuju | i'm trying to decide what datatype questionanswer should be |
| 01:46.33 | mindjuju | since questionanswer could be the result of a radio button group, it could just be the letter A |
| 01:46.54 | mindjuju | or, since it could be a text box, it'd need to accomodate that too |
| 01:47.05 | synic | what would the max length be? |
| 01:47.10 | mindjuju | yup, that's the question |
| 01:47.27 | mindjuju | if i go varchar(1000) what would be the disadvantages |
| 01:47.41 | synic | you using mysql? |
| 01:47.53 | mindjuju | right off the bat, if not mistaken, varchar doesn't like carriage returns so i think i'd drop off after the first line |
| 01:47.58 | mindjuju | nope, ms sql 2k |
| 01:48.04 | synic | hrmm, dunno then |
| 01:48.13 | synic | mysql accepts newlines in varchar, but the max length is 255 |
| 01:48.14 | mindjuju | if mysql, what would you have said? |
| 01:48.18 | mindjuju | ah |
| 01:48.29 | synic | so I'd go with mediumtext or text |
| 01:48.47 | mindjuju | well, i thought of a way around that. URLencode the text and get one long string that will encode the cr |
| 01:49.12 | mindjuju | or, i could go text, but wondered if that would slow down or be really inefficent? |
| 01:49.22 | mindjuju | course though, varchar1000 cant' be crazy efficent either |
| 01:50.43 | synic | afaik, it would only be inefficient when it comes to space useage and searching by that field. |
| 01:51.10 | synic | I could be wrong, though... I'm not a database guru. |
| 01:55.29 | synic | mindjuju: how many rows in this table are you expecting? |
| 01:56.33 | mindjuju | well, stacked this way, 10 - 15 questions per survey, 2k clients, say a couple a month |
| 01:57.08 | mindjuju | so prolly 40k - 60k records, that's if everybody responds |
| 01:59.06 | tierra | am I right to assume once the answers are submitted, the rows won't be changed (with maybe a few exceptions)? |
| 01:59.26 | mindjuju | right, write once |
| 01:59.35 | mindjuju | though read several times (reports) |
| 01:59.41 | synic | dunno how mssql sizes up, but we currently have a table with both text and varchar fields that has 928276 rows |
| 01:59.53 | synic | searching through it takes less than a second |
| 02:00.30 | synic | (if we search the non-text non-varchar fields) |
| 02:00.42 | synic | otherwise is takes between 3-5 |
| 02:00.46 | tierra | mediumtext or text is going to have a fixed field size (size on disk), varchar(1000) just means it'll have a max size of 1000, but will only take as much space on disk as the value is |
| 02:01.00 | tierra | with proper indexing, both are going to be same access speed |
| 02:01.23 | tierra | but if you go with varchar, you'll have smaller tables, and thus faster cache/loading speeds |
| 02:02.01 | mindjuju | i'll have to determine for sure what varchar will do with returns, if it will choke on 'em or if it will allow multiline |
| 02:02.06 | synic | tierra: good to know :) |
| 02:04.04 | tierra | it also depends on what DB engine your using, but that's for the typical MyISAM tables I think |
| 02:04.54 | tierra | err, table type |
| 02:05.35 | tierra | if his tables were to be changed on a regular basis, varchar would be the death of him though |
| 02:05.55 | tierra | since it would have to resize the table with every change |
| 02:06.31 | mindjuju | not sure what you mean? |
| 02:12.56 | mindjuju | i guess i was worried about nothing, it does take multiline in varchar so i'll do that |
| 02:13.09 | mindjuju | thnx tierra, synic |
| 02:37.07 | synic | mindjuju: mind if I ask which online music store? |
| 02:47.18 | tierra | oh, and to clear that up, I meant change as in the existing row's varchar variable being changed (with a different string size) |
| 02:47.33 | tierra | INSERTs wouldn't be affected |
| 02:48.32 | tierra | so yes, varchar is a good choice if the values in existing rows isn't going to change |
| 02:53.23 | Utah_Dave | does anybody know of an equivalent to PHP's print_r in Python? |
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| 02:56.00 | synic | Utah_Dave: is it a complex type? lists and dicts are readable if you plain print them |
| 02:58.29 | Utah_Dave | actually I want to see all the attributes of an object. I'd like to be able to see the layout of the object like print_r outputs |
| 02:59.56 | synic | Utah_Dave: I dunno.. maybe this is what you're looking for: dsl.pipex.com |
| 02:59.59 | synic | crap. |
| 03:00.02 | synic | http://docs.python.org/lib/module-pprint.html |
| 03:00.05 | synic | ^^ |
| 03:00.49 | Utah_Dave | ok, cool. thanks a lot |
| 03:08.47 | mindjuju | synic, pm me |
| 03:40.35 | wps | I just changed the port to use for ssh on my box (in /etc/ssh/sshd_config) |
| 03:40.39 | wps | I cannot log in though |
| 03:40.44 | jsmith | Doh! |
| 03:40.53 | wps | I'm still in in one terminal ;) |
| 03:41.05 | jsmith | Did you restart sshd? |
| 03:41.08 | wps | yup |
| 03:41.18 | jsmith | Hmmmn... |
| 03:41.22 | jsmith | Anything in the logs? |
| 03:41.24 | wps | ssh -p <new port> <username>@<address> |
| 03:41.26 | jsmith | Anything already bound to that port? |
| 03:41.27 | wps | that's right, no? |
| 03:41.30 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 03:41.40 | wps | hmm… I am not sure |
| 03:41.41 | jsmith | netstat -tn | grep <new port> |
| 03:41.58 | jsmith | You could do netstat -tn --listen | grep <new port> |
| 03:42.09 | jsmith | That'll show you if it's really listening on the new port |
| 03:42.22 | wps | returned nothing |
| 03:42.56 | jsmith | Hmmmmn... |
| 03:43.03 | wps | the second returned on line that listed: |
| 03:43.14 | wps | tcp 0 0 :::<port> :::* LISTEN |
| 03:43.55 | wps | what's the best way to pick a port? |
| 03:44.11 | jsmith | Make it something you can remember |
| 03:44.17 | jsmith | Something above 1024 |
| 03:44.22 | wps | I found a list of standard port associations on the web and picked one from a four digit block that was labeled "unassigned" |
| 03:44.30 | jsmith | That should work. |
| 03:44.38 | wps | hmm |
| 03:44.41 | jsmith | You could check /etc/services too and see if it lists anything for that port |
| 03:45.55 | wps | I restarted sshd again and still nothing |
| 03:46.12 | jsmith | anything in /var/log/messages? |
| 03:46.40 | jsmith | Or /var/log/secure? |
| 03:46.55 | wps | not since ten minutes ago |
| 03:47.09 | tierra | wps: you changed "Port 22" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 03:47.14 | wps | yes |
| 03:47.27 | wps | what was netstat -tn | grep <new port> supposed to return? |
| 03:47.57 | wps | and uncommented "Protocol 2" |
| 03:48.02 | jsmith | Here, let me show you... I'll run int against port 5432 on my box, which is Postgresql... |
| 03:48.05 | wps | (and removed ", 1" |
| 03:48.16 | jsmith | [root@localhost ~]# netstat -nt --listen | grep 5432 |
| 03:48.16 | jsmith | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 03:48.47 | jsmith | It shows that my machine is listening on port 5432 for connections from any other IP and port... |
| 03:48.53 | jsmith | wps: Is selinux running? |
| 03:49.04 | wps | pretty darn sure no |
| 03:49.04 | tierra | if you use "netstat -pl" |
| 03:49.13 | tierra | as root, and grep "ssh" |
| 03:49.25 | tierra | you might find it running on a different port |
| 03:50.18 | tierra | (if it's running) |
| 03:50.32 | tierra | and if that doesn't find it, you've got some other problem with it not starting up |
| 03:51.41 | jsmith | ps auxwww | grep sshd <--- see if sshd is actually running |
| 03:51.54 | tierra | ^ good idea, heh |
| 03:52.27 | jsmith | Thanks :-) |
| 03:52.28 | wps | root 16165 0.0 0.0 8760 2036 ? Ss 20:57 0:00 sshd: wade [priv] |
| 03:52.28 | wps | wade 16167 0.0 0.1 8776 2092 ? S 20:57 0:00 sshd: wade@pts/0 |
| 03:52.28 | wps | root 16647 0.0 0.0 5064 1508 ? Ss 21:35 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 03:52.28 | wps | root 16741 0.0 0.0 5660 660 pts/0 S+ 21:42 0:00 grep sshd |
| 03:53.00 | tierra | so it's running, but you couldn't find it listening on any port? |
| 03:53.44 | tierra | (should of figured though that it was running if he already still has a terminal up) |
| 03:54.00 | wps | yes, netstat -tn | grep <new port>, returns nothing |
| 03:54.03 | jsmith | Try typing this: |
| 03:54.15 | jsmith | lsof -p 16647 | grep LISTEN |
| 03:54.42 | wps | any significance to that number (because that's not what I set the new port to) |
| 03:55.17 | jsmith | What's the output? |
| 03:55.47 | wps | sshd 16647 root 3u IPv6 41121346 TCP *:<new port> (LISTEN) |
| 03:56.03 | tierra | and yet another trick would be to look for your current ssh connection in 'netstat -atp' |
| 03:56.24 | tierra | and see what port it was connected on |
| 03:56.26 | jsmith | OK... that means it's listening on the new port... I wonder why netstat -nt --listen didn't show it. |
| 03:56.35 | wps | well, I haven't logged back in since changing it |
| 03:56.44 | wps | I'm only logged in now because I already was before changing the port |
| 03:57.12 | jsmith | Open up a new terminal window, and try to connect from it... don't close your current connection! |
| 03:57.49 | wps | still refused |
| 03:58.07 | jsmith | Are you trying to connect via Protocol 1? |
| 03:59.02 | wps | hmm… don't know :) |
| 03:59.09 | wps | how do I determine that on this end? |
| 04:00.56 | jsmith | try ssh -2 -p 8022 user@box (where 8022 is the new port number) |
| 04:02.57 | wps | nothing |
| 04:10.15 | wps | changed it back to 22… restarted sshd… tried logging in and it worked |
| 04:10.39 | wps | changed it to another port (different that the first new one)… restarted sshd… and still cannot log in |
| 04:10.51 | wps | even with ssh -2 -p <new port> <user>@<domain> |
| 04:14.14 | wps | I tried service sshd reload and that didn't help either |
| 04:14.44 | wps | I can't get in… but at least the hackers cant either!!! yeah!!! |
| 04:16.09 | jsmith | Did you try setting it back |
| 04:16.19 | wps | yes, works when I set it back to 22 |
| 04:16.28 | Utah_Dave | did you open your firewall on the new port? |
| 04:16.36 | wps | :) |
| 04:16.40 | wps | no |
| 04:17.50 | mindjuju | does anybody know, if in CSS, i had #mylForm fieldset.radio input {float: left; width: auto;} what could i add to this that would cause it to force the next radio element to go on the next line? |
| 04:18.01 | mindjuju | like a <br> but in css? |
| 04:18.54 | wps | so you have several radios inside a fieldset? |
| 04:18.56 | mindjuju | clear:both is forcing the label text to go to the next line, so can't seem to use that |
| 04:19.17 | mindjuju | yup, several radios |
| 04:19.26 | wps | I would put them in an unordered list |
| 04:19.42 | mindjuju | now, why didn't i think of that? |
| 04:20.03 | wps | that way, even if the document is viewed un-styled, they are still in a vertical list |
| 04:20.14 | wps | since that is the default settings of a list |
| 04:22.48 | wps | well, firewall is one of my greatest weaknesses in regards to linux |
| 04:22.57 | wps | any up for walking me through that as well? |
| 04:23.41 | Utah_Dave | unfortunately, I've only done it from a gui. not from the command line |
| 04:31.01 | Utah_Dave | wps: any luck? |
| 04:31.21 | wps | nope, still searching for a tutorial |
| 04:31.38 | jsmith | wps: system-config-securitylevel might be easy... |
| 04:31.49 | wps | what's that? |
| 04:32.17 | Utah_Dave | wps: what distro are you running? |
| 04:32.21 | wps | FC3 |
| 04:32.24 | jsmith | A nice little gui for configuring your firewall |
| 04:32.27 | wps | ah |
| 04:32.30 | wps | the box is headless |
| 04:34.14 | Utah_Dave | wps: does that command fail when run from the command line |
| 04:34.17 | Utah_Dave | ? |
| 04:34.25 | wps | which command? |
| 04:34.44 | Utah_Dave | the one jsmith mentioned |
| 04:35.08 | wps | well, I tried man on it and there were no entries |
| 04:36.33 | wps | I found this |
| 04:36.42 | wps | ` /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --destination-port 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 04:36.52 | wps | but that assumes that I am using iptables |
| 04:37.08 | wps | I think I am but am not certain (it's been a while since I set this up) |
| 04:37.47 | jsmith | type "iptables -L" |
| 04:38.37 | wps | printed out about fourteen lines or so |
| 04:39.19 | wps | shall I paste here? |
| 04:43.53 | jsmith | Naw... |
| 04:43.59 | jsmith | That means you're running iptables :-) |
| 04:44.10 | wps | yeah, I am pretty sure that I am |
| 04:44.12 | jsmith | (Sorry, trying to talk on the phone and type at the same time) |
| 04:44.19 | wps | no worries |
| 04:44.29 | wps | so, I should close port 22 and open my new one? |
| 04:44.31 | jsmith | Use that line above, but replace port 22 with the new port number. |
| 04:44.59 | wps | k |
| 04:45.39 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@12.118.109.86) |
| 04:47.09 | wps | do I need to restart anything? |
| 04:48.32 | jsmith | No, you shouldn't. |
| 04:48.42 | jsmith | You'll want to make sure the changes get saved though... |
| 04:48.45 | *** join/#uphpu cycokilr (n=cycokilr@71-35-243-197.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 04:48.58 | jsmith | (I think FC3 defaulted to /etc/sysconfig/iptables for the stored configs) |
| 04:49.07 | jsmith | Otherwise, next time you reboot your locked out |
| 04:50.58 | wps | so this instead? |
| 04:51.14 | wps | ` /etc/sysconfig/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --destination-port <new port> -j ACCEPT |
| 04:53.45 | mindjuju | if i say this #myForm fieldset ul {} - that should revert all ul tags back to normal, despite any previous CSS instructions to the contrary, right? |
| 04:54.11 | mindjuju | as long as they are in the form under a fieldset condition |
| 04:55.53 | wps | no |
| 04:56.01 | wps | just doing {} isn't going to set anything back to default |
| 04:56.10 | mindjuju | oh, i thought it did |
| 04:56.20 | mindjuju | so i have to define what normal is in that tag |
| 04:56.32 | wps | yes, or don't change the normal globally |
| 05:06.38 | wps | when I run… |
| 05:06.48 | wps | ` /etc/sysconfig/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --destination-port <new port> -j ACCEPT |
| 05:06.57 | wps | I get "permission denied" |
| 05:07.04 | wps | I am root right now though |
| 05:16.59 | herlo | wps: did you see my request about an account on uphpu? |
| 05:17.14 | wps | I didn't. Where? |
| 05:17.25 | herlo | way up! |
| 05:17.42 | mindjuju | he got locked out of his account for trying to guess the pass to many times |
| 05:17.46 | herlo | but I just cannot seem to login, I thought I created an account, but got denied, tried to send my password to myself, didn't work |
| 05:18.09 | wps | what's your username? |
| 05:19.02 | herlo | herlo |
| 05:19.13 | herlo | imagine that!! ;-D |
| 05:20.06 | herlo | oh, I finally got it... |
| 05:20.06 | herlo | nm |
| 05:21.10 | herlo | yeah, but that pw doesn't work |
| 05:21.25 | wps | did you try the new pass I just pm'd you? |
| 05:21.43 | herlo | no, sorry, didn't see that |
| 05:21.46 | herlo | trying now |
| 05:21.51 | jsmith | wps: I thought you were going to bed? |
| 05:22.03 | wps | I'm trying to leave! :) |
| 05:22.06 | jsmith | Sure... |
| 05:22.09 | herlo | worked, tx |
| 05:22.11 | herlo | bye |
| 05:22.14 | herlo | to wps that is |
| 05:22.18 | herlo | thx alot |
| 05:22.19 | wps | you're welcome, herlo |
| 05:22.35 | wps | if you have time to help, I'll stay… but it's no emergancy |
| 05:22.37 | herlo | zzzzz <wps> |
| 05:22.37 | jsmith | herlo: How was game night? |
| 05:22.45 | jsmith | herlo: (Sorry I wasn't around) |
| 05:22.50 | herlo | still going on! |
| 05:22.57 | herlo | I got my but kicked, and was out first |
| 05:22.58 | jsmith | Oh... say hi to all the guys for me |
| 05:23.12 | jsmith | Whatcha playing tonight? |
| 05:23.27 | herlo | magblast |
| 05:24.05 | jsmith | Ah... Lars' new favorite game... |
| 05:24.12 | jsmith | That's the one Ryan brought, right? |
| 05:24.13 | herlo | yeah, its pretty fun |
| 05:24.44 | herlo | yeah, were you there? |
| 05:24.46 | herlo | before |
| 05:24.51 | jsmith | Nope |
| 05:24.55 | jsmith | I was in K.C. that week |
| 05:25.14 | herlo | guess I might be joining you soon! |
| 05:25.40 | jsmith | As in, being a road warrior like me? |
| 05:25.42 | herlo | some of Guru Labs clients are there I am told |
| 05:25.49 | herlo | I am already one |
| 05:25.55 | jsmith | True. |
| 05:26.01 | herlo | just now I am working different locations |
| 05:26.04 | herlo | ;-D |
| 05:26.07 | herlo | :-D |
| 05:26.33 | jsmith | Well, any chance you'll be in K.C. between May 7 and May 13? |
| 05:27.07 | herlo | not sure yet, they haven't even decided where I will be going at first... |
| 05:27.19 | herlo | maybe in house, maybe not, a lot of observing |
| 05:27.28 | jsmith | Yeah |
| 05:27.53 | herlo | but I am really excited to make this move. I will get to do more of what I want... |
| 05:28.01 | herlo | FLOSS stuff... |
| 05:28.37 | jsmith | I didn't know you were a flossy... |
| 05:28.40 | herlo | and training and cool people too, I have met about 6 people so far and they are all cool |
| 05:28.50 | herlo | oh, that's all I want to do. |
| 05:29.11 | herlo | I'd rather that than anything proprietary, and when DTI decided to go that way, I said its time to look around |
| 05:29.26 | jsmith | Yup |
| 05:29.37 | herlo | and just when I did, uphpu job list had the guru labs opening, so I interviewed and now I am starting there on May 1 |
| 05:29.41 | jsmith | I have to say... I really enjoy getting payed to hack on free software. |
| 05:30.10 | herlo | Yeah, I am looking forward to it. Plus, you and I maybe can go to lunch OTR sometime... |
| 05:30.54 | herlo | anyway, I gotta get back to watching everyone else win, I just came in to check on my uphpu account and burn a dvd or two, chat w/ya soon |
| 05:31.36 | jsmith | Later... |
| 05:44.52 | mindjuju | ugh, it's late and i've got a long ways to go |
| 05:45.43 | jsmith | Doing what? |
| 05:46.33 | mindjuju | the boss wants to be able to make surveys in a GUI / with reporting |
| 05:47.36 | mindjuju | i don't have to do everything, just get the survey he had already designed created, and the rest of the back end, and have the gui "boy isn't this easy" survey builder done by next week |
| 05:48.34 | mindjuju | man, i wish i were in DC |
| 05:48.55 | mindjuju | used to live in virginia (during the ole college days) so have been to dc several times |
| 06:10.13 | jsmith | bigdog_ut! |
| 06:10.22 | bigdog_ut | hows it going jsmith ? |
| 06:10.28 | jsmith | Busy... |
| 06:10.44 | jsmith | That's why I'm still up at 2:10am working |
| 06:10.46 | bigdog_ut | yeah i hear ya |
| 06:13.49 | mindjuju | yo bigdog |
| 06:18.22 | bigdog_ut | hows it going mindjuju |
| 06:19.18 | mindjuju | just working on this survey engine, what you doing up so late? |
| 06:19.35 | bigdog_ut | checking email and will get a little work done |
| 06:20.34 | bigdog_ut | how is work doing mindjuju ? |
| 06:21.26 | mindjuju | same ole same ole, some times i feel like giving people a kick in the shins for being dumb, but i guess that is every job |
| 06:21.40 | bigdog_ut | yes it is |
| 06:39.43 | mindjuju | well, time to nuke me some dinner |
| 06:43.50 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:43.54 | bigdog_ut | pizza here |
| 06:43.57 | bigdog_ut | cold that is |
| 06:44.06 | bigdog_ut | and working on some of the crappiest code ever |
| 06:47.01 | bigdog_ut | man u really do get what you pay for with coders |
| 06:51.03 | mindjuju | well, most of the time that's true. the company i work for paid this guy bank for 4 years before they realized he was selling them copied code from other sites and rebranded oss |
| 06:51.14 | mindjuju | that's why my life sucked for a while cause i had to go in and fix everything |
| 06:51.33 | mindjuju | oh, did i mention his idea of dbms was 100 access files being called by the web server? |
| 06:52.36 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 06:52.48 | bigdog_ut | this code has so much crap it is unreal |
| 06:52.59 | bigdog_ut | but this is what happens when you outsource to india |
| 06:53.13 | bigdog_ut | im going to post a comment or two on uphpu about it |
| 06:53.15 | mindjuju | oh... that's a different story, i thought you meant coder as in local |
| 06:53.23 | mindjuju | i've fixed code from india before |
| 06:53.51 | bigdog_ut | it sucks |
| 06:53.54 | mindjuju | for some reason they where changing variable names in midstep of code so literally, adding somebody's name to the database was |
| 06:54.15 | bigdog_ut | if you can think of the most obscure way to do it in php then that is how they code all the time |
| 06:54.15 | mindjuju | $username then 10 lines down $usernamee then like 20 lines down $usernameee |
| 06:54.30 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:54.35 | bigdog_ut | i should see that here soon |
| 06:54.37 | mindjuju | true story, i promise |
| 06:55.21 | mindjuju | if you do, then i completely empathize, we had the guy who had them write the code, sue cause there was no way we could use a line of it |
| 06:55.27 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah...cool thing is that i havent seen font html tags in a while and now i do |
| 06:55.41 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:55.58 | bigdog_ut | sad thing is my employer is paying additional for the same code |
| 06:57.16 | bigdog_ut | and the lines of code that do nothing |
| 06:57.23 | bigdog_ut | those are great ones too |
| 06:57.48 | mindjuju | they probably charged by the line |
| 06:58.29 | bigdog_ut | i sure hope not |
| 06:58.32 | bigdog_ut | but could be |
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| 06:59.56 | bigdog_ut | the nested tables kill me |
| 07:01.35 | mindjuju | i love nested tables! i have code here where a guy makes a table width=300 background black, then another table width=298 background white just so he could have a 1 pixel border around his table -- i crap you not |
| 07:01.56 | mindjuju | that's the copy and paste gu |
| 07:02.05 | mindjuju | guy |
| 07:02.15 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 07:02.28 | bigdog_ut | you ever read the dailywtf.com? |
| 07:02.55 | mindjuju | i haven't. |
| 07:03.00 | mindjuju | looking it up now |
| 07:03.01 | bigdog_ut | it is a great rad |
| 07:03.04 | bigdog_ut | read |
| 07:08.13 | mindjuju | priceless, i love this site! |
| 07:19.54 | bigdog_ut | very good |
| 07:34.32 | mindjuju | oh no! my favorite website in the whole world--ever is down! i hope not permanantly |
| 07:34.53 | mindjuju | have you ever seen dodgeit.com bigdog? |
| 07:36.54 | RyanE | oh, I thought you were talking about *my* website. |
| 07:37.09 | mindjuju | what's your website? |
| 07:37.22 | RyanE | hehe |
| 07:37.27 | RyanE | http://www.ericksonfamily.com |
| 07:37.34 | RyanE | not too interesting unless you actually *know* me. |
| 07:37.39 | mindjuju | have you ever see www.dodgeit.com ryane? |
| 07:37.47 | RyanE | nope, and apparently, I can't right now... |
| 07:38.35 | RyanE | free, receive-only email @ dodgeit.com? |
| 07:38.49 | mindjuju | it was this awesome site that was essentially just a web portal to an email server. one where you didn't have to setup a password or a mailbox. you just made up some email addy and filled out crappy forms that offered some enticement you wanted |
| 07:39.00 | mindjuju | you get your enticement, dodgeit gets the spam! |
| 07:39.05 | RyanE | aha. |
| 07:39.09 | mindjuju | and you never check the email again |
| 07:39.27 | mindjuju | that way if the site was "smart" and was going to give you the password through email, you could check it if needed |
| 07:39.32 | RyanE | yep |
| 07:39.42 | mindjuju | like the parrots, by the way |
| 07:40.05 | RyanE | I figured that's what it was, as Google's cache is up for it. |
| 07:40.07 | RyanE | thanks. |
| 07:40.16 | RyanE | Disney's Animal Kingdom is pretty cool. |
| 07:41.42 | herlo | RyanE, I thought you'd gone to bed by now |
| 07:41.47 | RyanE | naw |
| 07:41.58 | herlo | especially after that humiliating loss I suffered, I should |
| 07:41.59 | RyanE | of course, I realized The Race and Lost are TOMORROW night... Must've been late. |
| 07:42.02 | RyanE | hehe |
| 07:42.08 | RyanE | So I'm watching Scrubs instead. |
| 07:42.09 | mindjuju | cool snow fort pix http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/21-Mar-2006/IMG_0185 |
| 07:42.10 | herlo | ooh, good |
| 07:42.16 | RyanE | gotta do something after the drive home, to unwind |
| 07:42.27 | herlo | scrubs is awesome, I have s1 and s3 dld |
| 07:42.37 | RyanE | yeah, the kids had some friends up from Phoenix in time for the snow |
| 07:42.46 | herlo | nice fort |
| 07:43.01 | RyanE | thx. I take absolutely no credit |
| 07:43.16 | herlo | I remember building those when I was a kid, we built one about 10ft high and it had a door and two windows and all |
| 07:43.16 | RyanE | other than for the kids, of course. |
| 07:43.20 | herlo | except for the pic right? |
| 07:43.23 | RyanE | cool. |
| 07:43.27 | mindjuju | i wish i had a lawn so i could have a gnome |
| 07:43.28 | mindjuju | http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/21-Mar-2006/IMG_0223 |
| 07:43.29 | RyanE | naw, I think my wife took the picture. |
| 07:43.29 | herlo | oh, and the kids, yeah that makes sense |
| 07:43.43 | RyanE | I have *two* gnomes |
| 07:43.43 | RyanE | :) |
| 07:43.48 | RyanE | yard is that big. |
| 07:44.04 | herlo | sorry man, I tried to give you creds |
| 07:44.19 | herlo | I love drupal |
| 07:44.26 | RyanE | My wife got them for me for my birthday. She bought me a Travelocity one off ebay, but it didn't come in time for my birthday, and she found another one at walmart, so I got two gnomes. |
| 07:44.30 | mindjuju | where do you live? city-wise, i'm looking to move somewhere where the lawns are big and some trees (if possible) |
| 07:44.46 | RyanE | highland |
| 07:45.11 | herlo | btw RyanE, you got home fast!! how fast do you drive did you say? |
| 07:45.15 | RyanE | of course, since we built, we have no trees. |
| 07:45.24 | RyanE | < 10 over the speed limit, the whole way |
| 07:45.40 | herlo | wow, no traffic then ey? |
| 07:45.41 | RyanE | I take I-15 to 1600 N, then Geneva Road, Canyon Road, and Home. |
| 07:45.43 | RyanE | hope |
| 07:45.44 | RyanE | nope |
| 07:46.26 | RyanE | but yeah, I made good time. :) Like 20 minutes, and spanish fork always takes me 25-30. |
| 07:46.54 | mindjuju | oh, i live on the other side of the freeway from you |
| 07:47.08 | herlo | on a good drive time drive, it would be like 45-60 mins for me |
| 07:47.13 | RyanE | yeah? |
| 07:47.15 | herlo | maybe geneva is better |
| 07:47.21 | RyanE | mindjuju: you're in the Thanksgiving Point side? |
| 07:47.24 | mindjuju | i used to commute from span fork to draper |
| 07:47.34 | RyanE | I work in Draper now. |
| 07:47.36 | mindjuju | yup, in those townhomes just next to thanksgiving point |
| 07:47.46 | RyanE | spanish to draper is too long. |
| 07:47.55 | RyanE | Did you know Tenille Flint? |
| 07:47.56 | mindjuju | yeah, so my commute went from 45 minutes to 10 minutes going frontage roads |
| 07:48.08 | mindjuju | don't konw tenille flint |
| 07:48.20 | RyanE | well, she lived in those town homes, but she passed away a few months ago. |
| 07:48.25 | RyanE | friend of my wife's |
| 07:48.53 | RyanE | I guess there's a ton of those townhomes there. |
| 07:49.10 | mindjuju | yeah, pratically a whole stake just in that subdivision |
| 07:49.39 | mindjuju | doesn't help that i'm slightly workaholic and come in at like 8 and come back at like 9p, though today, have crazy projects so i'm here all nighter |
| 07:49.53 | RyanE | and where do you work? |
| 07:51.02 | mindjuju | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=12393+Gateway+Park+Pl+Ste+600+84020 |
| 07:51.45 | RyanE | yeah, you live 10 minutes from me, work 3 minutes from me. |
| 07:51.53 | mindjuju | really? |
| 07:51.57 | RyanE | so work for me is 20-25 minutes away |
| 07:51.59 | RyanE | yeah. |
| 07:52.04 | RyanE | I work off Election Road. |
| 07:52.12 | mindjuju | at eBay? |
| 07:52.17 | RyanE | Control4 |
| 07:52.33 | herlo | so RyanE, do you use coppermine? |
| 07:52.35 | RyanE | turn at Ebay, go around the corner, last building before the trees. |
| 07:52.40 | RyanE | nope. what's that? |
| 07:52.53 | RyanE | gallery? |
| 07:53.01 | herlo | its the photo album software I use http://photos.egavas.org |
| 07:53.10 | RyanE | gallery.menalto.com |
| 07:53.15 | mindjuju | oh wow! do you get to "test" anything at home? |
| 07:53.28 | RyanE | yea. |
| 07:53.35 | RyanE | employees get beta systems. |
| 07:53.55 | RyanE | sometimes it's beta, other times it's really beta |
| 07:54.03 | RyanE | *really, really beta*. :) |
| 07:54.50 | mindjuju | that is cool |
| 07:54.51 | mindjuju | http://www.control4.com/_images/17-100A3FA5/source.jpg |
| 07:54.56 | herlo | so what kind of system do you have now? |
| 07:55.09 | RyanE | well, I don't have one of those. |
| 07:55.21 | herlo | oh, I wasn't looking at that |
| 07:55.24 | RyanE | the 10.5" touchscreen is not included in employee beta... :) |
| 07:55.44 | herlo | well, that's no fair!! |
| 07:55.57 | RyanE | I have a medium-sized set of dimmers and keypads, some of which I purchased. |
| 07:56.19 | RyanE | and a controller or two. |
| 07:56.55 | RyanE | my lights are the most setup part as of now. auto lighting at night with motion sensors, streaming MP3s to various rooms, dual AM/FM tuner |
| 07:56.59 | RyanE | a few other things. |
| 07:57.11 | herlo | nice! |
| 07:57.13 | RyanE | fun stuff |
| 07:57.29 | RyanE | second home automation company I've worked for. |
| 07:57.31 | herlo | scores are posted!! http://boardgames.herlo.org |
| 07:57.40 | RyanE | you *had* to post 'em, eh? :) |
| 07:57.55 | RyanE | so far, on Mag-Blast, I'm 1 for 3. |
| 07:58.03 | RyanE | dang Justin. |
| 07:58.03 | herlo | good 4 u |
| 07:58.08 | herlo | I am 0 for 1 |
| 07:58.44 | herlo | yeah, but You and Chris left him in |
| 07:58.52 | herlo | could've had him out b4 me |
| 07:58.59 | RyanE | he could've been out the first round. |
| 07:59.08 | RyanE | but he had such crappy ships, that's no fun to go out so early |
| 07:59.14 | herlo | yup, and then it would've gotten interesting |
| 07:59.16 | RyanE | besides, he *was* a good buffer. :) |
| 07:59.23 | herlo | right |
| 07:59.24 | herlo | and I wasnt? |
| 07:59.27 | RyanE | hehe |
| 07:59.28 | herlo | punk Lars!! |
| 07:59.29 | RyanE | not for me |
| 07:59.39 | RyanE | Lars sort of set back and didn't do much until the end. |
| 07:59.39 | herlo | but you didn't fight with me anyway |
| 07:59.44 | RyanE | no opportunity |
| 07:59.49 | herlo | I know |
| 07:59.58 | RyanE | I think it's more fun when you start with 4. |
| 08:00.03 | herlo | other than take me out that is |
| 08:00.22 | herlo | yeah maybe, plus we like to take a long time to play when there is 8 of us for some reason |
| 08:00.47 | RyanE | gab, gab, gab. Just kidding. :) |
| 08:00.55 | herlo | its true! |
| 08:01.06 | herlo | but we do get down to playing after a while |
| 08:01.06 | RyanE | our monthly games night is a big gab-fest, too. You'd never expect it from a bunch of programmers |
| 08:01.29 | RyanE | we don't keep score, though. |
| 08:01.31 | herlo | it'd be nice if you didn't get out so easily, that's the only thin I didn't really like |
| 08:01.45 | herlo | that's more for prosperity than anything else |
| 08:01.51 | herlo | everybody else makes fun of me for it |
| 08:01.53 | RyanE | if we did keep score, it would've broken up a while ago... |
| 08:02.15 | RyanE | Dan, our perpetual host, used to joke that since we were playing at his house, he always wins. |
| 08:02.22 | RyanE | I don't think he's won in a seriously long time. |
| 08:02.25 | herlo | though it isn't all that important, just more fun than anything else |
| 08:02.36 | RyanE | he gets his rear handed to him almost every time. |
| 08:02.36 | herlo | ouch! |
| 08:02.53 | RyanE | yeah. He used to be our boss, and he's the one who got us all started on gaming. |
| 08:03.01 | RyanE | but he's a good sport about it. |
| 08:03.04 | herlo | cool! |
| 08:03.22 | herlo | do you guys look for other to join you like we do? |
| 08:03.49 | RyanE | last time we played: http://www.funagain.com/control/product/~product_id=015329 |
| 08:04.01 | RyanE | since we only play once a month, it's an RSVP affair. |
| 08:04.12 | herlo | yeah, makes sense |
| 08:04.22 | RyanE | dan'll send out an email, asking what night, and we all respond, come to a consensus, and hold it that night. |
| 08:04.34 | RyanE | this month, I'm out, so if they want to play a 6-player game, they'll email an alternate. |
| 08:04.44 | herlo | these are the same guys that do the weight thing to right? |
| 08:04.50 | RyanE | we have 5 who come regularly |
| 08:04.55 | RyanE | no, different group of people. |
| 08:05.04 | RyanE | one of the weight game people is the first alternate. |
| 08:05.07 | herlo | oh, railroad tycoon? |
| 08:05.14 | RyanE | yeah, it's pretty fun. |
| 08:05.29 | herlo | I've seen it, is this what you guys are playing next time? |
| 08:05.48 | RyanE | but I'd start you guys with 'Empire Builder'. Similar, a bit easier. Not that you guys are dumb, but Railroad Tycoon is much easiser if you've played Empire builder. |
| 08:05.52 | RyanE | last time. |
| 08:06.03 | RyanE | I suspect they'll play it again this time, but I'm not there this time. |
| 08:06.08 | RyanE | It's on the 21st this month. |
| 08:06.12 | herlo | ah, we are still newbies when it comes to games |
| 08:06.18 | RyanE | yeah, somewhat. |
| 08:06.28 | herlo | I already knew that |
| 08:06.33 | RyanE | but you guys have played Carcassone a lot more than we ever did. |
| 08:06.36 | herlo | we were newbies that is |
| 08:06.50 | herlo | we tend to play one game for a while, master it and move on |
| 08:06.52 | RyanE | We got stuck on 'History of the World' and 'Britannia' for the longest time. |
| 08:07.00 | RyanE | and Settlers, of course |
| 08:07.18 | herlo | yeah, I wanna play Tigris and Euphrates again, though its tough, it was sure fun! |
| 08:07.31 | RyanE | I think we played that one once or twice, but I don't know if I attended those times. |
| 08:07.38 | RyanE | I want to buy Empire Builder. http://www.funagain.com/control/product/~product_id=015076 |
| 08:07.44 | RyanE | great game, this is a new edition. |
| 08:07.55 | RyanE | includes Mexico and Canada, from what I've heard. |
| 08:07.57 | herlo | settlers has so many variations, its hard to get away from. But now that our time is limited down under 3hrs, its hard to get one game in if more than 4 people show |
| 08:08.08 | RyanE | yep. |
| 08:08.12 | herlo | is funagain games your choice? |
| 08:08.21 | RyanE | I only have Settlers and Seafarers at home. |
| 08:08.35 | RyanE | I don't buy too many games, just the ones that I've enjoyed at Games Night, and that I think my kids would like. |
| 08:08.45 | herlo | makes sense |
| 08:08.53 | herlo | I like to buy the games and have them here |
| 08:09.05 | herlo | that way, if somebody doesn't have it, we always have backups |
| 08:09.21 | RyanE | and funagain has a large selection, and pretty decent prices. Dan used to get some sort of kickback from funagain. |
| 08:10.09 | RyanE | so if I'm referencing it, it's like referencing Amazon, except for Games. |
| 08:10.24 | herlo | yeah, I started with http://www.thoughthammer.com, they are pretty new, but I still like them |
| 08:13.12 | herlo | that's where I found tikal |
| 08:15.45 | herlo | neway, sounds like you are beat, g'night all |
| 08:15.59 | RyanE | yep. gnight |
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| 20:09.12 | dataw0lf | wps: in regards to your iptables convo ala PLUG, what happened was that when you do a -A in iptables, it 'appends' the rule |
| 20:09.30 | dataw0lf | that means that old firewall rules that jump to a target will do so before your ruleset is reached |
| 20:09.34 | dataw0lf | you can either add it to the script |
| 20:09.40 | dataw0lf | or do a iptables -I <#> |
| 20:09.47 | dataw0lf | which will insert the rule at the <#> place |
| 20:09.55 | wps | ah |
| 20:09.57 | wps | thanks |
| 20:09.59 | dataw0lf | then do a iptables-save > /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
| 20:10.03 | dataw0lf | and you'll be set |
| 20:10.37 | dataw0lf | actually |
| 20:11.35 | dataw0lf | oh, that'll work |
| 20:11.49 | dataw0lf | (didn't know if RH saved it in iptables-save format or as a .sh file) |
| 20:12.02 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 20:12.09 | dataw0lf | iptables rocks. |
| 20:12.15 | dataw0lf | you should do port knocking just for the heck of it. |
| 20:12.52 | dataw0lf | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/268 |
| 20:12.53 | dataw0lf | awesome |
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| 20:37.10 | wps | a friend was just describing that for me |
| 20:37.30 | dataw0lf | port knocking? |
| 20:37.34 | wps | yeah |
| 20:38.00 | dataw0lf | it's fun to play with. |
| 20:40.23 | RyanE | or you could just turn off ssh when you're not using it... |
| 20:41.01 | wps | do you have servers that you don't use it enough to make that worth it |
| 20:41.02 | wps | ? |
| 20:41.05 | wps | I ssh to my box daily |
| 20:41.15 | veruus | or not use "puppy" as your root password |
| 20:41.55 | RyanE | wps: as do I. I have a password-secured admin web interface that modifies my firewall to let ssh through. |
| 20:42.13 | RyanE | so unless you hit the admin interface and turn it on, no ssh. |
| 20:42.36 | RyanE | of course, for work, I allow it from work's IP address, because turning it on every day was a pain. |
| 20:51.00 | dataw0lf | wps: I don't implement it on any used boxes. It's just theoretically a blast. |
| 20:51.22 | dataw0lf | I ssh into about 20 boxes once every hour, port knocking would be ridiculous practically. |
| 20:54.08 | wps | yeah |
| 20:56.15 | dataw0lf | I mean, it isn't too bad |
| 20:56.23 | dataw0lf | you can write a script and use that |
| 20:56.39 | dataw0lf | but *shrug* it's not really a very secure thing anyways. |
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| 21:38.41 | Utah_Dave | wps: did you get your firewall reconfigured last night? I was curious if that command you found worked. |
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| 22:24.49 | wps | finally |
| 22:25.01 | wps | first problem: wasn't saving and/or restarting the firewall |
| 22:25.19 | wps | but, because of that, I am not sure if I was changing it correctly |
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