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| 03:17.25 | bigdog_ut | evenin all |
| 03:33.54 | mindjuju | yo sup |
| 04:28.43 | bigdog_ut | hows it going? |
| 04:32.46 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 04:32.47 | bigdog_ut | that sucks |
| 04:33.01 | bigdog_ut | i was doing some remote debuggin today and had some killer fun with our testers |
| 04:36.32 | jsmith | Load testers? |
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| 06:05.15 | jsmith | wps: You're up late... |
| 06:05.31 | wps | yup… feel asleep after we got home :) |
| 06:05.44 | jsmith | I see... |
| 06:06.00 | wps | we just woke up and realized what time it was |
| 06:06.13 | wps | so we're brushing our teeth and and heading to bed for real |
| 06:08.10 | jsmith | Right... |
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| 15:58.46 | fungus | I don't belong to anyone. |
| 16:06.20 | macnewbold | did everyone see this already? http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ |
| 16:06.55 | jsmith | Nothing to get that excited about... |
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| 16:09.30 | macnewbold | it may not be all that exciting to some, but it clearly indicates where apple is headed: |
| 16:09.42 | macnewbold | 1. today, they can run windows on their hardware |
| 16:09.52 | jsmith | Apple is headed to a peaceful co-existence with Microsoft? |
| 16:10.06 | macnewbold | 2. in a year, they'll be running windows under osx |
| 16:10.27 | macnewbold | 3. in a two years, windows will be obsolete, cause windows programs will run seamlessly (and better!) under osx |
| 16:10.28 | tierra | I'm not sure I get what's so great about this being that VMware could always do that... |
| 16:10.45 | macnewbold | 4. after that, world domination |
| 16:11.00 | tierra | and to look at #2, windows under osx??? why? |
| 16:11.18 | macnewbold | so you don't have to leave osx to run your windows stuff |
| 16:11.23 | jsmith | macnewbold: So? |
| 16:11.24 | macnewbold | like q-emu but better |
| 16:11.47 | jsmith | But the problem is this: Apple works very well *because* they control the hardware, the drivers, etc. |
| 16:12.10 | jsmith | Suddenly you'll have people adding heaven-knows-what to their Apple, and just expecting it to work the same. |
| 16:12.17 | jsmith | But it never will be exactly the same. |
| 16:12.54 | jsmith | Personally, I've long since given up on Windows, and can't stand OS X either. |
| 16:17.13 | _psychic_ | Yeah but because the apple hardware is locked down, running Windows on it becomes easier |
| 16:18.17 | tierra | well, so does every other OS |
| 16:18.50 | tierra | Apple has always used that to their advantage (and disadvantage) |
| 16:19.04 | jsmith | So Apple will have a Windows registry, and the registry will get bloated, whether it's Apple or Windows under the covers... that's enough to scare me away |
| 16:19.42 | jsmith | Again, if other people want to run Windows apps natively on top of OS X that's fine with me -- it's just not my thing. |
| 16:20.05 | jsmith | It's not like you'll ever be able to do that without paying both Apple and Microsoft a bunch of money anyway... |
| 16:20.20 | fungus | I wonder how they got around the EFI vs BIOS issue. |
| 16:20.44 | jsmith | Probably just a BIOS emulation in EFI |
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| 18:20.47 | Alphahawk | is there any way to grab a mac address of computer connecting to web page with straight html? |
| 18:26.06 | fungus | no |
| 18:26.45 | Alphahawk | how bout with java? |
| 18:27.21 | fungus | perhaps. |
| 18:27.51 | Alphahawk | ok thanks for help |
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| 20:10.47 | mindjuju | very interesting... |
| 20:11.07 | jsmith | What? |
| 20:11.17 | mindjuju | i guess they are making a movie about Mother Theresa and they are considering |
| 20:11.23 | mindjuju | Paris Hilton for the role |
| 20:11.24 | mindjuju | http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/fs/20060404/114417608000.html |
| 20:11.25 | jsmith | The fact that you don't need Bootcamp to dual-boot? |
| 20:11.28 | jsmith | WHAT?!? |
| 20:11.39 | mindjuju | yeah, was going to comment on that, but thought it was too late |
| 20:11.48 | mindjuju | didn't the firmware hacker guy already do that for free? |
| 20:11.51 | jsmith | It's never too late... |
| 20:11.59 | mindjuju | and have the method to replicate somewhere |
| 20:12.04 | jsmith | No, the latest Apple firmware updates apparently let you dual-boot without Bootcamp |
| 20:12.47 | mindjuju | yeah, here it is |
| 20:12.56 | mindjuju | do it the super cool way without boot camp |
| 20:12.56 | mindjuju | http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/20060316010829.shtml |
| 20:13.50 | mindjuju | there was a little quicktime movie of it a few days ago somewhere |
| 20:14.23 | mindjuju | it's funny cause he follows the cord from the mac monitor to the computer and from the computer to the keyboard (all this with the camera) and then keeps it focused on the monitor while windows loads |
| 20:14.29 | mindjuju | i'll see if i can't find it |
| 20:15.38 | mindjuju | here is a better link with info |
| 20:15.40 | mindjuju | http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/16/xp-on-x86-is-official-narf-gets-paid/ |
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| 22:57.54 | mindjuju | who knew? freezing a hard drive might make it work long enough to yank data off |
| 22:57.55 | mindjuju | http://geeksaresexy.blogspot.com/2006/01/freeze-your-hard-drive-to-recover-data.html |
| 22:58.51 | tierra | couple friends that used to work at TAC had told me once |
| 22:59.05 | tierra | it's saved my ass once |
| 22:59.22 | tierra | oh, sorry, let that one slip |
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| 23:18.49 | mindjuju | well, i should probably watch more discovery channel. The company i work for is leasing the building that we are in, consequently, we have a building maintenance guy that comes around every now and then to do what ever needs doing. Lately, a flock of geese have decided to live in a small creek that runs by the business and have taken to poopin' on cars and entry ways |
| 23:19.18 | mindjuju | the crazy thing is that the maintance man went out and bought wood replicas of owls and posted them near door ways as a means to scare of the geese |
| 23:19.45 | mindjuju | not only are the wood replicas much smaller than the geese, i didn't know owls were natural predators of geese? |
| 23:48.54 | tierra | but it worked? |
| 23:50.23 | mindjuju | he just put them up, so i don't know, but i don't think so |
| 23:51.26 | tierra | keep me posted, I'm curious now... I had no idea either |
| 23:52.47 | mindjuju | i'll leave at least one out but was thinking snagging one for the office or something |
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