| 00:04.28 | tierra | meh, I'm a much bigger fan of TextPattern, not that I use that much either |
| 00:20.40 | wps | I'll have to look at TextPattern |
| 00:20.42 | wps | haven't seen it uet |
| 00:20.45 | wps | yet |
| 00:21.16 | wps | my shout was in conclusion to several days of wrangling Movable Type and then dumping it for WordPress |
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| 00:45.46 | jsmith | wps: Woo hoo! You dumped MT! |
| 00:46.31 | wps | faster than that psycho chick from Colorado I dated in college |
| 00:51.55 | jsmith | Oooh... you haven't heard phycho chick stories... |
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| 03:21.11 | Utah_Dave | I just got invited to have the email for my family's domain hosted by Gmail! |
| 03:29.45 | veruus | I'd like to look at the interface for managing the domain |
| 04:40.29 | tierra | huh, what's veruus doing here? |
| 04:40.44 | tierra | psh, you don't PHP! TRAITOR! |
| 04:41.01 | veruus | D: |
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| 16:16.16 | Alphahawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.22 | dataw0lf | http://www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/logging.htm quick tutorial |
| 16:19.45 | dataw0lf | slightly more indepth |
| 16:19.45 | dataw0lf | http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=Tutorial&pageid=57 |
| 16:27.41 | Alphahawk | dataw0lf have you done much with remote logging?\ |
| 16:28.02 | dataw0lf | Alphahawk: I log to a central server here, if that's what you mean. |
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| 16:33.13 | Alphahawk | basically what I am looking for is I am try to log 150+ miniservers to 1 main server through the internet. The issue I run into is how it is reported in the log for the name of the machine. |
| 16:33.45 | Alphahawk | problem I run into is if the machine is behind a double nat I get a ip address for the machine name of something like 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:34.55 | dataw0lf | through the internet? probably not a good idea. |
| 16:34.59 | dataw0lf | I'd only do it locally. |
| 16:39.18 | dataw0lf | but here's a good paper on centralized logging servers (Debian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/syslog.htm |
| 16:41.11 | dataw0lf | omg `ee` |
| 16:41.13 | dataw0lf | which ee |
| 16:41.33 | dataw0lf | dpkg -S `which ee` |
| 16:41.55 | dataw0lf | apt-get remove `dpkg -S `which ee`` wonder if that'll work |
| 16:42.14 | dataw0lf | nah |
| 16:42.46 | Alphahawk | thanks dataw0lf |
| 16:42.53 | dataw0lf | np |
| 16:43.00 | dataw0lf | if you run into any problems ask |
| 16:50.12 | Alphahawk | actually dataw0lf one way I am protecting the syslogger is to use the firewall to only allow the *.somename.com access to the logging port |
| 16:55.36 | dataw0lf | Alphahawk: right, but you're still transferring it out in the open. |
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| 17:04.53 | veruus | http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1149/sam0106s/0106s.htm |
| 17:05.10 | veruus | old article, 2001, but should have some good info |
| 17:08.33 | veruus | http://www.linux-mag.com/content/view/2437/2079/ |
| 17:08.34 | veruus | and that |
| 17:13.28 | dataw0lf | you're so 20 minutes ago |
| 17:14.58 | veruus | :( |
| 17:15.10 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 17:15.52 | veruus | I addressed the encryption concerns |
| 17:15.55 | veruus | fartknocker |
| 17:16.29 | dataw0lf | I've never seen a ssh tunneled syslog system that worked well |
| 17:17.28 | veruus | always the negative nancy |
| 17:18.02 | dataw0lf | no, it's just I've seen alot of people run into many problems using it. |
| 17:19.20 | dataw0lf | besides, logging over the internet isn't just about addressing security concerns. |
| 17:20.48 | veruus | I'd be worried more about heavy logging activity |
| 17:20.51 | veruus | and stuff breaking |
| 17:20.53 | veruus | I hear you |
| 17:22.00 | dataw0lf | exactly, if there's one thing I want to KNOW is stable, it's my central logs |
| 17:22.32 | dataw0lf | just too many variables in something that should be kept as elemental as possible |
| 17:22.35 | veruus | something like rsync might be good though |
| 17:22.40 | veruus | hmm... |
| 17:25.18 | Utah_Dave | I'm waiting for my MX record to update for my family's domian. I got an invitation to have the email hosted by Gmail |
| 17:26.01 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Sure, just go bragging about it... |
| 17:26.04 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: :-) |
| 17:26.12 | Utah_Dave | :) sorry, I couldn't help it! |
| 17:26.31 | macnewbold | yeah, IMAP would really rock |
| 17:26.37 | Utah_Dave | I tried to brag to my wife, but she just rolled her eyes. unfortunately, she's not geeky enough |
| 17:27.00 | macnewbold | some respond with eye-rolling, others respond with drooling... |
| 17:27.07 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 17:27.26 | Utah_Dave | they're limiting me to 10 accounts |
| 17:28.08 | Utah_Dave | they have a link to click on my "Plan" and i have the " Free" plan for up to 10 email accounts |
| 17:28.23 | Utah_Dave | but there isn't any way to upgrade the plan or anything that I can see |
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| 17:29.24 | veruus | soon you'll be able to pay with googlebucks |
| 17:29.31 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 17:29.45 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: Google is hosting your domain's email? |
| 17:29.47 | Utah_Dave | that'll be interesting |
| 17:29.50 | macnewbold | as long as they give them out like they do invites, that would be fine... |
| 17:29.55 | Utah_Dave | yeah they are |
| 17:30.05 | Utah_Dave | www.google.com/hosted |
| 17:30.08 | dataw0lf | that's awesome |
| 17:30.36 | veruus | debuted back in february I think |
| 17:30.45 | Utah_Dave | I heard that they were hosting some university's email in california, so I went to the page and they had a link to enter your email if you're interested. |
| 17:30.55 | Utah_Dave | I did that a while ago, and I got an email last night |
| 17:32.05 | Utah_Dave | I'm pretty stoked. they have a nice feature where you can set up email lists for the users in your domain. It looks like you can't add emails from other domains, though |
| 17:32.19 | veruus | neat |
| 17:34.26 | Utah_Dave | you can upload your own image to replace the Gmail logo in the top left corner |
| 17:34.41 | Utah_Dave | oh, and Google chat is integrated, too! |
| 17:35.02 | Utah_Dave | I wonder if it will make me breakfast... |
| 17:36.59 | veruus | I need to get riled |
| 17:37.29 | dataw0lf | veruus: I thought you jarheads were always riled about something. |
| 17:38.06 | veruus | those young frenchie punk protestors got me part of the way there |
| 17:38.16 | veruus | du will take me over the edge |
| 17:39.06 | Utah_Dave | they're idiots. "let's pass a bunch of laws so businesses will be scared to hire anyone" "Hey, how come I can't get a job?" |
| 17:39.50 | Utah_Dave | anyway, gotta run back into work. later everyone |
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| 17:43.41 | veruus | too much stupid |
| 17:43.44 | veruus | can't read anymore |
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| 17:56.30 | Alphahawk | dataw0lf are you still around? |
| 17:56.35 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 17:58.20 | Alphahawk | is it possible to have the sysloger save the logs of each device that reports to it to a different file? |
| 18:16.29 | lars-ut | lol |
| 18:16.34 | lars-ut | s/hosing/hosting |
| 18:16.49 | macnewbold | what are your needs in hosting? |
| 18:16.50 | lars-ut | I'm setting up a domain for a friend |
| 18:17.05 | lars-ut | email php & mySQL |
| 18:19.22 | lars-ut | any recommendations? |
| 18:21.14 | dataw0lf | Alphahawk: yea |
| 18:21.17 | macnewbold | I've got one acct with bluehost, pretty cheap by the year. We use it for cheap high-bw overflow for file downloads |
| 18:21.36 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: what about bw needs? |
| 18:21.39 | dataw0lf | support? |
| 18:22.09 | lars-ut | very little bw - no support |
| 18:22.40 | jsmith | Sounds like bluehost might be a good solution then... |
| 18:22.43 | lars-ut | I'll be using everydns.net for DNS |
| 18:25.05 | lars-ut | bluehost eh? thanks |
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| 18:35.59 | veruus | zzq-hosting would be good too |
| 18:36.01 | veruus | :) |
| 18:36.31 | lars-ut | bluehost.com or bluehost.org ? |
| 18:45.49 | veruus | talk to com4 about hosting |
| 18:47.59 | lars-ut | veruus: I think 1and1.com just kept my business because they kept me on hold for so long I hung up |
| 18:48.08 | lars-ut | I was calling for a refund |
| 18:49.43 | RyanE_ | lars-ut: Looks like you've already *got* a hosing provider. :) |
| 18:49.56 | lars-ut | amen |
| 18:50.25 | lars-ut | I get this kind of abuse on Tuesdays for free |
| 18:53.38 | macnewbold | yeah, the 1yr isn't the greatest |
| 18:57.35 | macnewbold | http://www.hosting-review.com/ |
| 18:57.44 | macnewbold | http://www.webhostinginspector.com/ |
| 18:58.11 | macnewbold | http://www.thehostingchart.com/ |
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| 19:00.11 | macnewbold | those top 3 on thehostingchart.com look like they're as low as $2-3/mo |
| 19:00.19 | macnewbold | but it doesn't detail contract length |
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| 19:38.29 | mindjuju | interesting article on a new flavor of Denial of Service |
| 19:38.30 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/42201 |
| 19:39.47 | mindjuju | maybe we should con dataw0lf into giving a meeting on internet threats and ways to protect against them? |
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