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| 04:55.16 | Utah_Dave | bigdog_ut: thanks for the PHP Eclipse downloads. They're definitely a lot smaller than the whole eclipse download. |
| 04:55.25 | Utah_Dave | too bad I missed your presentation |
| 04:55.32 | bigdog_ut | np |
| 04:55.42 | bigdog_ut | yeah they have all the stuff taken out |
| 04:56.20 | Utah_Dave | do you have any links you'd recommend for tutorials on how to code in PHP with eclipse? |
| 04:56.35 | bigdog_ut | just learn eclipse really |
| 04:56.49 | bigdog_ut | i like to learn all the quick key codes |
| 04:57.18 | bigdog_ut | i would recommend reading the help in eclipse on the workbench |
| 04:57.18 | Utah_Dave | yeah, those are usually the first things to learn. |
| 04:57.38 | bigdog_ut | one you have the work bench down you will really enjoy eclipse |
| 04:57.51 | Utah_Dave | OK, I'll take a look at that |
| 04:58.36 | bigdog_ut | big thing is to stick with it...eclipse is huge and the functionality is mind blowing |
| 04:58.43 | bigdog_ut | take it a step at a time |
| 04:58.53 | bigdog_ut | become familiar with the preferences |
| 04:59.06 | bigdog_ut | and moving around eclipse with the quick keys |
| 05:01.08 | Utah_Dave | when you're coding, do you export your files to your server every time you need to test a change? |
| 05:01.19 | bigdog_ut | no not really |
| 05:01.30 | bigdog_ut | i usually have a local set up that is similar to the server one |
| 05:01.36 | bigdog_ut | then i just run it locally |
| 05:01.55 | bigdog_ut | then push everything to the server or cvs,subversion if needed |
| 05:02.50 | bigdog_ut | as you become familiar with eclipse you will really see the limitations of php especially that it does not have a debugger like python or ruby |
| 05:02.59 | bigdog_ut | which makes development really fast |
| 05:03.24 | Utah_Dave | I think I need to figure out the workbench better. |
| 05:03.42 | Utah_Dave | is there a good Python plugin? I work in Python fairly often |
| 05:03.53 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 05:03.57 | bigdog_ut | pydev is the name of it |
| 05:04.01 | bigdog_ut | ~google pydev |
| 05:04.40 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 05:06.18 | Utah_Dave | got it. |
| 05:06.35 | Utah_Dave | it won't hurt anything to install it with the php stuff, right? |
| 05:06.45 | bigdog_ut | nope not at all |
| 05:07.24 | bigdog_ut | find the update page |
| 05:07.32 | bigdog_ut | and ill wake you through setting that up |
| 05:09.17 | bigdog_ut | update url: http://pydev.sf.net/updates/ |
| 05:09.48 | bigdog_ut | in eclipse goto Help -> software update -> find and install |
| 05:10.20 | bigdog_ut | select "search for new features to install" then next |
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| 05:10.32 | bigdog_ut | click new remote site button |
| 05:10.47 | bigdog_ut | then add the url and set the name to PyDev |
| 05:10.52 | bigdog_ut | or pydev whatever |
| 05:11.00 | bigdog_ut | then select the checkbox it creates |
| 05:11.05 | bigdog_ut | and do finish |
| 05:11.35 | bigdog_ut | then just follow hte instructions |
| 05:11.40 | bigdog_ut | that will install it for you |
| 05:12.26 | Utah_Dave | As I'm trying that I keep getting errors that it can't open several xml files |
| 05:12.51 | bigdog_ut | which files? |
| 05:13.00 | Utah_Dave | then it wouldn't let me click on "Finish" at the end. There was an error saying there was a configuration error |
| 05:13.13 | Utah_Dave | site.xml and a couple of others. let me try again |
| 05:13.27 | bigdog_ut | how many other boxes where checked? |
| 05:13.42 | Utah_Dave | feature.xml - this comes up right when I start the wizard |
| 05:14.02 | bigdog_ut | which version are you using linux or eclipse? |
| 05:14.06 | bigdog_ut | linux or windows? |
| 05:14.16 | Utah_Dave | windows, right now. i'm on my work laptopp |
| 05:14.20 | Utah_Dave | s/laptop |
| 05:14.41 | bigdog_ut | let me check something |
| 05:14.42 | Utah_Dave | you know, I probably screwed it up. |
| 05:14.58 | bigdog_ut | actually no you didnt |
| 05:15.02 | Utah_Dave | I was trying the regular eclipse distribution today |
| 05:15.05 | bigdog_ut | http://pydev.sourceforge.net/download.html |
| 05:15.14 | Utah_Dave | oh |
| 05:15.18 | bigdog_ut | if you are using the one i created then it wont work |
| 05:15.27 | bigdog_ut | pydev requires the sdk version |
| 05:15.33 | Utah_Dave | oh, I see. |
| 05:15.35 | bigdog_ut | meaning it wants all the java stuff in there |
| 05:15.54 | bigdog_ut | it uses it for the debugger i figure |
| 05:15.55 | Utah_Dave | I can run both on the same machine, right? just in their own folders |
| 05:16.02 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 05:16.09 | bigdog_ut | i would have different workspaces too |
| 05:16.22 | Utah_Dave | OK, I was just about to ask you that |
| 05:17.04 | bigdog_ut | i usually run it all together |
| 05:17.15 | bigdog_ut | but that is a bigger footprint |
| 05:17.50 | Utah_Dave | yeah, the smaller download is nice, too |
| 05:19.50 | Utah_Dave | well, thanks again bigdog_ut. I better hit the sack |
| 05:19.59 | bigdog_ut | np |
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| 10:16.52 | Nicker | Can someone help me |
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| 16:32.16 | JakeSpur | anybody active? |
| 16:32.38 | wps | ~weather 84057 |
| 16:32.52 | JakeSpur | Wade? |
| 16:32.58 | wps | yes? |
| 16:33.02 | Utah_Dave | hey |
| 16:33.10 | JakeSpur | Have a quick question |
| 16:33.26 | JakeSpur | I am looking for some code to be written |
| 16:33.38 | JakeSpur | I need a way to track podcasts |
| 16:33.55 | JakeSpur | I have heard that a little PHP can help out here |
| 16:33.56 | JakeSpur | Would you know anything about that? |
| 16:34.22 | macnewbold | "track" podcasts? |
| 16:34.25 | wps | track what? |
| 16:34.30 | wps | downloads? updates? |
| 16:34.33 | macnewbold | like "tracker" in bittorrent, or different? |
| 16:34.37 | JakeSpur | downloads |
| 16:35.02 | JakeSpur | As in how many people subscribe, and what we download |
| 16:35.05 | JakeSpur | they* |
| 16:35.05 | wps | should be simple… run your download through a script that increments a counter |
| 16:35.20 | JakeSpur | I have no idea how to do that |
| 16:35.36 | JakeSpur | Would anybody be willing to write something for some $$$ |
| 16:35.46 | wps | how is your download working now? |
| 16:35.52 | macnewbold | what program is providing the downloads? |
| 16:35.54 | macnewbold | apache? |
| 16:35.59 | wps | are they linking directly to the file? |
| 16:36.07 | wps | ~weather KPVU |
| 16:36.19 | macnewbold | ~weather KSLC |
| 16:37.24 | JakeSpur | I am using iWeb for site creation, and then it is just a rss feed that provides the downloads |
| 16:37.38 | JakeSpur | Apache is what the servers is built on |
| 16:37.39 | wps | ah, so they are linking directly to the file |
| 16:37.42 | JakeSpur | right |
| 16:37.49 | macnewbold | can you use the apache logs? |
| 16:37.55 | JakeSpur | rss.xml |
| 16:40.49 | wps | JakeSpur: do you have access to Apache's logs? |
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| 16:41.28 | JakeSpur | Yeah |
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| 16:42.25 | wps | that would be the fastest way to get at that information since it is already being logged |
| 16:42.33 | wps | how are you wanting to access this information? |
| 16:43.38 | JakeSpur | I just am putting together a podcast for a compnay, and I want to be able to track how many people are using it, to they know who is using it |
| 16:44.21 | JakeSpur | maybe knowing who is not such a problem, just how many |
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| 17:12.20 | herlo | anyone ever installed eaccelerator? I am getting a really wierd error... |
| 17:12.25 | herlo | You need to pass the user id eaccelerator will be running under when using sysvipc semaphores |
| 17:28.42 | herlo | no takers? |
| 17:29.30 | RyanE | herlo: does eaccelerator cache PHP? |
| 17:32.27 | RyanE | nor have I |
| 17:39.18 | dataw0lf | it's no good. |
| 17:39.46 | dataw0lf | it retains alot of the old mmcache problems, and adds a nice pile of security problems itself. |
| 17:40.54 | RyanE | how about phpa? I've used it, and it seems to work pretty well. |
| 17:41.26 | RyanE | ioncube's phpa, that is. http://www.php-accelerator.co.uk/ |
| 17:48.23 | dataw0lf | I've been planning on doing a security audit on a collection of php optimizers, but I haven't done phpa yet. |
| 18:00.00 | herlo | RyanE: yes eaccelerator is a fork of Turck MMCache |
| 18:00.33 | herlo | http://www.eaccelerator.net/ |
| 18:01.01 | herlo | dataw0lf: phpa? is it free and opensource? |
| 18:01.27 | dataw0lf | herlo: I don't know, I haven't used or audited it yet, RyanE mentioned it. |
| 18:01.44 | herlo | oh, sorry, misread |
| 18:01.51 | herlo | RyanE? |
| 18:02.24 | herlo | we use the ioncube php encoder, so I guess using this would be right inline with that |
| 18:03.24 | RyanE | herlo: it's free, but NOT open source |
| 18:03.29 | herlo | RyanE: phpa is really old (latest version 4.3.0) |
| 18:03.35 | RyanE | can run on 4.4 |
| 18:03.42 | RyanE | they have a new version that runs on 4.4 |
| 18:03.52 | RyanE | same version number, compiled against the newer Zend library |
| 18:04.33 | RyanE | if the Zend library version doesn't change, it'll still run. It usually works with whatever version it was released with, and a few later. |
| 18:04.58 | RyanE | I hadn't noticed that after my last PHP upgrade, it wasn't running. |
| 18:05.03 | RyanE | really speeds up the graphing code |
| 18:05.12 | RyanE | if you try the game now, you'll see what I'm talking about. |
| 18:05.16 | herlo | so I just need to download the 4.3.0 stuff and it will work with 4.4.0 |
| 18:05.41 | RyanE | It's not the 4.3 stuff. |
| 18:05.56 | RyanE | Linux x86? |
| 18:06.06 | herlo | Solaris Sparc |
| 18:06.10 | herlo | work related |
| 18:06.22 | RyanE | well, I'm not certain that they have a 4.4 version for Sparc. |
| 18:06.28 | RyanE | but you could give it a try. |
| 18:06.40 | RyanE | put it in the php.ini like the instructions say, and you can check phpinfo() to see if it's running. |
| 18:06.42 | herlo | my personal machine already has it installed with eAccelerator. That's why I am thinking about using it. LAMP does |
| 18:06.43 | RyanE | and you can check the log file |
| 18:07.01 | herlo | can you compile it in, or is it not like that? |
| 18:07.07 | RyanE | it's a .so |
| 18:07.31 | RyanE | you drop it in a /lib dir, put in the Zend Accelerator link in php.ini, point it to a cache directory (mine's a ramdisk), and you're done. |
| 18:07.34 | herlo | oh, so it's precompiled |
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| 18:07.37 | RyanE | yeah |
| 18:07.49 | RyanE | it's not open source, so it's an so. |
| 18:08.05 | herlo | ahh, thus my consideration of eAccelerator |
| 18:08.07 | herlo | and others |
| 18:08.32 | herlo | If I do this, I could just use ZendOptimizer |
| 18:08.35 | RyanE | sure. I can understand that. |
| 18:08.47 | RyanE | I just know it works well for me, and it's easy. |
| 18:09.01 | RyanE | of course, on my personal server. You have other considerations when it's not 'just fooling around'. |
| 18:09.05 | herlo | its great info, I sure appreciate the input |
| 18:09.09 | RyanE | np. |
| 18:09.54 | herlo | dataw0lf: why is eAccelerator problematic, you said something about security? |
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| 18:26.40 | herlo | hi fungus |
| 18:26.53 | fungus | Good morning. |
| 18:27.11 | herlo | any opinion on opensource php accelerators? I am considering using eAccelerator... |
| 18:27.26 | herlo | dataw0lf says its no good... |
| 18:27.50 | fungus | The only thing I have ever tried was the ZendOptimizer which sucked total crap. |
| 18:27.56 | dataw0lf | sorry I'm in a conversation regarding Iraq in another channel. |
| 18:28.04 | dataw0lf | can't be distracted :D |
| 18:28.32 | herlo | fungus: agreed. |
| 18:32.34 | herlo | okay dataw0lf, when you get undistracted, give me your dissertation if you would...thx |
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| 21:41.22 | lars-ut | #uphpu: What topics would you like to hear covered by Ralf Flaxa (current project manager for SLES) this Saturday? He's been in Linux development for 14 years, & offered to come & speak on short notice to local user groups. |
| 21:44.11 | veruus | it's icky |
| 21:45.33 | lars-ut | my guess is that he could speak on just about anything linux |
| 21:46.08 | lars-ut | he's even created a distribution |
| 21:46.48 | lars-ut | http://www.linux-m32r.org/lxr/http/source/CREDITS |
| 21:48.55 | dataw0lf | yea, I've seen him speak before. |
| 21:48.58 | dataw0lf | still |
| 21:49.00 | dataw0lf | SLES |
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| 21:51.53 | jsmith-away | lars-ut: Have him speak on building a LiveCD with Asterisk on it, which saves all the user configs to a USB key... |
| 21:52.14 | tierra | hehe |
| 21:52.29 | lars-ut | jsmith: kind of a 1-on-1 session? |
| 21:52.54 | jsmith-away | Sure... |
| 21:53.51 | lars-ut | I was just writing an email to him... "I wonder if you could speak on your Linux background, why you are with Novell, and the strengths & weaknesses of SLES vs. other popular Linux distributions" |
| 21:54.52 | jsmith-away | "the nuclear ^H^H^H^H linux distribution proliferation..." |
| 21:58.00 | tierra | he should give a talk about sekrit Novell projects in the works |
| 21:59.14 | jsmith-away | tierra: Oh, like the Hula Maui project? |
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| 22:01.53 | macnewbold | it's a good thing he's got quick reflexes, or you'd seem him rubbing the bump on his head more often... |
| 22:01.55 | macnewbold | ~bonk someone |
| 22:01.56 | jbot | ACTION bonks someone over the head |
| 22:02.06 | macnewbold | ~wantnick |
| 22:05.49 | lars-ut | how about a presentation on Carrier Grade Linux? |
| 22:07.04 | jsmith-away | lars-ut: That'd work. |
| 22:07.37 | tierra | I wouldn't mind seeing a presentation on that |
| 22:07.50 | lars-ut | good enough for me |
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