| 00:00.01 | mindjuju | oh, i get it now. it's a php page where the output is in xml, so technically, if i secure that page with a login script then i should be able to have it redirect to a login page if not logged in, else, render the data as xml |
| 00:00.03 | mindjuju | cool |
| 00:01.16 | jsmith | Yeah, but some RSS readers might not like that... |
| 00:01.18 | jsmith | I'm not sure... |
| 00:01.34 | jsmith | It might be better to give an XML file saying "Log in" if they're not logged in. |
| 00:01.50 | mindjuju | yeah, your right, cause the aggregator would just choke on it |
| 00:02.02 | jsmith | Bingo! |
| 00:02.23 | mindjuju | dang your smart! no wonder they pay you the big $$$. |
| 00:02.33 | mindjuju | hows your book doing, by the way? |
| 00:10.42 | tierra | hope it's not a cookie based login... you still have the same issues with probably most aggregators |
| 00:11.26 | tierra | information wants to be free! |
| 00:12.09 | mindjuju | free as in beer or free as in available (or how ever that cliche goes) |
| 00:12.45 | jsmith | mindjuju: The book is doing well... |
| 00:12.55 | jsmith | mindjuju: Not making me rich, but it's doing very well |
| 00:13.20 | mindjuju | as a side note, I made a pretty penny back in my high school days telling autocad students how to make a double density disk a high density disk with the utterance of a few magic words and a pair of scissors. |
| 00:13.31 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:13.36 | mindjuju | information should cost! |
| 00:14.01 | mindjuju | j/k (but true story about autocad students) |
| 00:14.04 | jsmith | People who build cardhouses on the cost of information are in for a rude awakening... |
| 00:16.16 | mindjuju | That's probably true, jsmith. there really is no way to protect your stuff 100% other than to just keep it in your head. But when you work for people who only produce intellectual content then you have to deliver as close to what they want. in this case, the flexibility of RSS with the security of a regular web page. |
| 00:23.34 | xilch|w | tierra writes software with no propriety |
| 01:32.52 | jsmith | tierra: I write proprietary software too -- at times. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I certainly wouldn't build a business around just the information. |
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| 19:31.09 | cycokilr | hey, can anyone see why this wouldn't work: |
| 19:31.17 | cycokilr | if( $_POST[type] == "cust" && $_POST[prodId] == "pcard" ) header( "Location: https://ext...<snipped> |
| 19:32.08 | cycokilr | if i stick a print "hey"; exit; after the right paren on the if statment, it prints that.. but it won't redirect to the header location for some reason.. |
| 19:34.05 | synic | it's possible that headers have already been sent |
| 19:34.31 | cycokilr | it's the second line in the script.. you think? |
| 19:35.12 | synic | yeah, if there's a space before <? or after ?> that would do |
| 19:35.15 | synic | +it |
| 19:35.19 | cycokilr | so check this out, if i stick an exit; on the line below that one, it works.. but then the rest of the script doesn't work (for the other products).. |
| 19:36.29 | cycokilr | yeah, there was a whole extra blank line at the end of the file.. but that didn't fix it.. |
| 19:37.14 | synic | are you mixing html and php? |
| 19:37.23 | cycokilr | this script is all php.. |
| 19:37.42 | jsmith | cycokilr: Silly question, but do you need braces? In other words: |
| 19:37.47 | jsmith | if (blah && foo) |
| 19:37.49 | jsmith | { |
| 19:37.51 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.54 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.55 | jsmith | } |
| 19:38.03 | synic | put error_reporting(E_ALL); at the top, maybe it will give you a meaningful error |
| 19:38.19 | cycokilr | just inside the <?php ?? |
| 19:38.25 | synic | yeah |
| 19:39.04 | cycokilr | wow, that did put out a bunch of info.. |
| 19:39.13 | cycokilr | 95% of which are errors.. |
| 19:39.40 | cycokilr | mostly about not using single quotes inside the brackets on the global vars.. |
| 19:39.48 | synic | yeah, you should use those :) |
| 19:39.54 | cycokilr | yeah, so i |
| 19:39.57 | cycokilr | have heard |
| 19:41.14 | cycokilr | well then.. i should have listened when i heard.. put in the single quotes and all is workey.. |
| 19:41.20 | cycokilr | somebody punch me.. |
| 19:41.42 | cycokilr | no no.. i have to finish this site.. you can stab me later.. |
| 19:41.45 | synic | k |
| 19:41.48 | cycokilr | just kick me or something.. |
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| 20:05.56 | tierra | cycokilr: typically that's only supposted to pose problems when say "prodId" is defined as a constant (ie: define('prodId', ...);) |
| 20:06.22 | tierra | (as it would be replaced and you'd have some weird un-excpected index) |
| 20:06.36 | tierra | -c |
| 20:08.07 | tierra | synic: this isn't so much a bug in your cart software, but I noticed on your table headers that you put "<b></b>" around the text, and then had "font-weight: bold;" in the CSS on .tableHeader |
| 20:08.22 | tierra | but your td {} definition was overriding it |
| 20:08.33 | tierra | (and the other font properties) |
| 20:08.50 | tierra | so another definition of ".tableHeader td {...}" fixed it |
| 20:16.28 | cycokilr | so would it be kinda silly to put @error_reporting(E_ALL); in the file? |
| 20:20.50 | cycokilr | hey, so how come in something like this: "RepID=$_POST[RepDID]&Firstname=$_POST[firstName]&Phone=$_POST[phone]&Email=$_POST[email]" |
| 20:21.06 | cycokilr | i get a nasty error if i put in the single quotes? |
| 20:21.55 | cycokilr | unless i do this: "RepID=" . $_POST['RepDID'] . "blah" |
| 20:22.31 | cycokilr | would i get the error if i used double quotes inside the brackets instead of singles? |
| 20:22.47 | cycokilr | hmm.. i'll try it and let you know cycokilr.. |
| 20:23.53 | cycokilr | Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_BAD_CHARACTER, expecting T_STRING or T_VARIABLE or T_NUM_STRING |
| 20:23.55 | cycokilr | lovely |
| 20:27.39 | tierra | there's limits to magic quotes expanding arrays |
| 20:28.39 | cycokilr | so maybe like this eh: "'$_POST[\"RepDID\"]'" |
| 20:28.46 | tierra | but to answer your question, the array key is already in a string and will not be considered a constant |
| 20:30.04 | tierra | well, there's always this fallback I believe: "${_POST[RepDID][OtherKey]}" (and that may work with single quotes) |
| 20:31.05 | cycokilr | i'll have to play later boys.. got to get kelsey to her eye appointment.. thanks for the help.. |
| 20:31.45 | tierra | later |
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| 22:11.41 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> Don't forget to vote on March's presentation topic |
| 22:14.34 | jsmith | wps: I voted, but looks like I'm on the losing side... |
| 22:14.46 | wps | me too |
| 22:14.53 | jsmith | s/ties/tries/ |
| 22:15.27 | macnewbold | voted where? |
| 22:15.34 | wps | uphpu.org |
| 22:16.24 | macnewbold | I'll have to go try again |
| 22:16.30 | macnewbold | last vote I made was for march topic |
| 22:16.57 | wps | that's what we were discussing |
| 22:17.02 | macnewbold | btw, Code Greene (me/us) is hiring again... |
| 22:17.24 | macnewbold | good programmer, preferably with html/css and database experience. PHP a plus, but not necessary |
| 22:17.31 | macnewbold | pay probably $15-20/hr starting |
| 22:17.50 | macnewbold | could be part time for a while, but full time ASAP |
| 22:19.00 | macnewbold | so if you know anybody, send them to me |
| 22:20.31 | wps | mid-day comedy relief: |
| 22:20.40 | wps | I like the fourth comment here: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=173242&comments=true |
| 22:22.21 | jsmith | wps: Yeah... WART |
| 22:25.45 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: can you send me info on that? |
| 22:27.07 | wps | you can post it to -jobs, macnewbold |
| 22:27.25 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm composing the message now |
| 22:27.32 | wps | cool |
| 22:28.06 | macnewbold | _psychic_: here's the job announcement from last time... the new one will be pretty similar when we make the "official" announcement next week |
| 22:28.20 | macnewbold | see the message I'm sending to jobs in a few minutes too, it has more details about the changes |
| 22:28.23 | _psychic_ | I'd also like to see their site |
| 22:28.25 | _psychic_ | ok |
| 22:28.30 | macnewbold | http://www.codegreene.com/pdf/job_announcement_cg.pdf |
| 22:28.42 | macnewbold | _psychic_: see whose site? |
| 22:29.11 | _psychic_ | www.codegreene.com - got it, thanks ;) |
| 22:29.20 | macnewbold | anyone interested may want to check out the beta version of our web site that should go live next week |
| 22:29.26 | macnewbold | http://tahiti.dmedia.ws/cg/ |
| 22:30.00 | _psychic_ | you work there, macnewbold ? |
| 22:30.02 | macnewbold | (my partner and I run code greene, in case that isn't widely known, and we currently have two other people working here with us.) |
| 22:30.03 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 22:30.13 | macnewbold | co-founder / CTO / head geek |
| 22:30.19 | _psychic_ | 4 of you, then? |
| 22:30.23 | macnewbold | yep |
| 22:30.30 | macnewbold | 3 FT, 1PT -> FT in may |
| 22:30.41 | macnewbold | and we're still drowning in work |
| 22:30.44 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 22:30.54 | _psychic_ | I'm graduating soon and looking for options. |
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| 22:38.07 | RyanE | macnewbold: not a bad beta website, other than the text as graphics. that bugs. |
| 22:38.18 | macnewbold | it's got alt-tags :) |
| 22:38.21 | macnewbold | and looks better |
| 22:38.35 | RyanE | other than on my high-res laptop, where I view most sites at +2 |
| 22:38.45 | macnewbold | _psychic_: that could work out very nicely - send us a resume perhaps? |
| 22:38.45 | RyanE | but yeah, I'm the exception to the rule. |
| 22:38.50 | macnewbold | ah |
| 22:38.59 | macnewbold | yes, not completely friendly to people who want to zoom stuff |
| 22:39.04 | macnewbold | just use a lower res :) |
| 22:39.07 | RyanE | it's a sizing issue. I certainly agree that it looks better at standard res |
| 22:39.14 | RyanE | LCD. native res is always better. |
| 22:39.17 | macnewbold | I guess you're getting old and need the bigger fonts ;)... |
| 22:39.21 | macnewbold | yeah, I agree |
| 22:39.31 | RyanE | don't need 'em, but I like 'em. |
| 22:39.52 | RyanE | besides, my eyes at 80 will still be better than yours now. :) |
| 22:42.09 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: sure. I'm mostly curious about your operation (culture, design philosophy, etc) though. |
| 22:42.23 | macnewbold | what can I tell you? |
| 22:42.24 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: I'm at work now, so maybe I can send you something later today. |
| 22:42.26 | macnewbold | culture is laid back |
| 22:42.27 | macnewbold | sure |
| 22:42.37 | _psychic_ | I'll catch you later to pester you ;) |
| 22:42.39 | macnewbold | philosophy - make it work right, do it right the first time :) |
| 22:42.41 | macnewbold | etc. |
| 22:42.52 | macnewbold | I'll even offer you a free tour of our facilities, if you'd like |
| 22:43.38 | _psychic_ | sweet |
| 22:43.40 | RyanE | macnewbold: "and at least 200% faster." Than What? |
| 22:45.31 | macnewbold | hehe, if we don't give a reference point, that makes it true, right? Or at least not provably false? |
| 22:45.41 | macnewbold | what page was that on, RyanE? |
| 22:46.45 | RyanE | before I go find what page it was on, on one of your quotes, from 3form Design, it has a misspelling. |
| 22:47.27 | RyanE | "...with all your programming --ane-- expertise..." I assume it should be 'and' |
| 22:48.11 | RyanE | OK, 200% is on http://tahiti.dmedia.ws/cg/services.php, first paragraph |
| 22:48.44 | RyanE | looks like other than a few gripes and a few things a proofreader should catch, it looks good. |
| 22:55.29 | macnewbold | wps: when you have a sec to approve a jobs post, it's awaiting you... |
| 22:55.35 | macnewbold | RyanE: thanks, I'll fix those |
| 22:55.42 | macnewbold | if anyone sees others, holler |
| 22:55.45 | wps | approved moments after you posted it |
| 22:55.53 | macnewbold | oh, I haven't seen it come through yet |
| 22:55.54 | macnewbold | weird |
| 23:02.53 | macnewbold | did anyone else get the uphpu-jobs email i sent at 3:35pm today? |
| 23:04.49 | macnewbold | btw, the clock on the uphpu.org server appears to be a little off, about 8-9 minutes behind real time |
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| 23:15.14 | macnewbold | _psychic_: when you're ready to bug me, if you can't find me here, call 694-6334 and I'll talk to you about it |
| 23:16.11 | _psychic_ | great |
| 23:17.28 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: you still around? I noticed an odd behavior on your website. |
| 23:24.00 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: yeah, what's up? |
| 23:24.32 | Utah_Dave | I clicked on the link here in IRC and that took me to your beta site |
| 23:24.56 | macnewbold | that was intentional |
| 23:24.59 | Utah_Dave | then when I clicked on one of the links in the menu I couldn't click on the back button, it was grayed out |
| 23:25.26 | macnewbold | the only way I can think of that that would happen would be that it opened in a new tab/window |
| 23:25.26 | Utah_Dave | after the initial clicks on the menu, the back button/history works as expected. |
| 23:25.32 | macnewbold | and thus might not have had any history |
| 23:25.34 | Utah_Dave | nope, same window |
| 23:25.49 | Utah_Dave | oh, well, the initial link was opened up in a new window |
| 23:26.16 | macnewbold | weird |
| 23:26.22 | macnewbold | what browser/OS? |
| 23:26.26 | Utah_Dave | but then I click on a menu option and the back button was still grayed out |
| 23:26.36 | macnewbold | I can't repeat it here |
| 23:26.48 | macnewbold | we didn't do anything in the site that would have caused that, that I know of |
| 23:27.00 | Utah_Dave | Firefox 1.501/WinXP Pro (I know, I know. It's a work laptop) |
| 23:27.04 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:27.15 | macnewbold | at least you didn't say MSIE :) |
| 23:27.33 | Utah_Dave | "Don't Click on the Big Blue E" |
| 23:27.40 | macnewbold | If you can duplicate it, let me know |
| 23:27.50 | Utah_Dave | ok, I'll try it again |
| 23:28.13 | macnewbold | I like renaming the "Internet Explorer" link on people's desktop, start menu, launcher, etc. to say "Internet Exploder" |
| 23:28.40 | macnewbold | also, try opening a new tab/window and typing or pasting the URL into it, instead of following the link from your IRC, and see if that does any different. |
| 23:28.52 | macnewbold | thanks for the heads up about it, I've never seen that before |
| 23:31.29 | Utah_Dave | that's weird. Pasting the url into the browser works fine. It appears to only happen when I click on the link in my IRC client. |
| 23:31.40 | macnewbold | odd |
| 23:31.41 | Utah_Dave | I guess you can't really fix that on your end!!! |
| 23:31.44 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:32.05 | macnewbold | problem solved :-D |
| 23:32.09 | Utah_Dave | sweet! |
| 23:32.14 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:37.03 | jsmith | Hey, who is the mod_rewrite guru in here? |
| 23:49.14 | mindjuju | seems like dataw0lf and I talked about mod_rewrite once |
| 23:49.27 | mindjuju | i think he might be |