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| 03:26.33 | Utah_Dave | did anyone here see on Google's blog that the new director of Google.org (their philanthropic arm) is named Dr. Brilliant? |
| 03:26.48 | Utah_Dave | I know they try to hire the best, but... |
| 03:35.56 | wps | ha ha ha |
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| 06:38.04 | wps | shhhh |
| 06:38.16 | wps | be quiet… we're sleeping |
| 06:38.36 | bigdog_ut | i figured...sleeping at the keyboard again |
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| 18:00.56 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Interested in a PHP course? contact macnewbold |
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| 18:04.42 | tierra | synic: I want to hurt you |
| 18:05.14 | synic | o_O |
| 18:05.16 | synic | what for? |
| 18:05.25 | tierra | you should do something about your jabber login |
| 18:05.50 | synic | ack |
| 18:05.54 | synic | wtf is going on here.... |
| 18:06.14 | tierra | heh |
| 18:06.22 | tierra | same as last time? |
| 18:06.59 | synic | I dunno |
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| 18:35.07 | fungus | Rejoice: |
| 18:35.09 | fungus | $ uptime |
| 18:35.09 | fungus | 11:34AM up 1000 days, 9:54, 3 users, load averages: 0.46, 0.57, 0.54 |
| 18:46.56 | mindjuju | 1000 days? pshah! My Windows email server has gone 1000 minutes since last reboot a few minutes ago. Oh wait, that's worse |
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| 19:12.27 | macnewbold | fungus: what's your hostname for that one? I bet it's got some great security flaws after 2.7 years of no kernel updates... |
| 19:13.49 | fungus | lol. It might have a few. I have patched most of them by hand though. |
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| 21:27.58 | macnewbold | ~bonk el_gaucho |
| 21:28.00 | jbot | ACTION bonks el_gaucho over the head |
| 21:28.04 | macnewbold | sup dog |
| 21:28.11 | macnewbold | so you presenting in March? |
| 21:28.24 | el_gaucho | yeah |
| 21:28.38 | el_gaucho | i was going to do it this month...but did not commit |
| 21:28.39 | el_gaucho | lol |
| 21:29.06 | macnewbold | it looks like eclipse+ajax is leading the poll... |
| 21:30.35 | el_gaucho | yeah...im going to have to work on that one...i need to find some free plugins...the one i use is commercial now |
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| 21:33.35 | el_gaucho | ill have to go over sof the eclipse stuff too |
| 21:33.43 | el_gaucho | not sure how many are up to speed on eclipse |
| 21:34.11 | RyanE | yeah, a presentation I may want to attend! Woo Hoo! |
| 21:34.46 | el_gaucho | eclipse has some killer features that make development great...but can be a headache in the begining |
| 21:35.27 | RyanE | hence why I don't use it, and why I'd be interested in a presentation about it. :) |
| 21:35.45 | RyanE | and ajax is soooo shiney. :) |
| 21:36.43 | el_gaucho | lol |
| 21:37.06 | el_gaucho | one thing i hate though is presentation...i wish we could all just have laptops and get down to business |
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| 21:43.32 | el_gaucho | RyanE, what has been your frustration? |
| 21:44.12 | RyanE | el_gaucho: not so much frustration, as lack of time. I don't do PHP programming for a living anymore... |
| 21:44.38 | el_gaucho | what programming do you do? |
| 21:44.53 | el_gaucho | c/c++ right? |
| 21:44.55 | RyanE | and my schedule is pretty busy lately, but if you were presenting on Eclipse and ajax, even though I'd use them only for personal play apps, I'd come. |
| 21:44.59 | RyanE | C++ / C# |
| 21:45.17 | el_gaucho | eclipse does have some c++/c# plugins |
| 21:45.40 | RyanE | I don't think I could jump to Eclipse for work stuff, only because the integrated debugger is pretty nice. |
| 21:46.02 | RyanE | my personal web stuff, I've been leaning Ruby |
| 21:46.16 | dataw0lf | what environ do you use for work? |
| 21:46.25 | RyanE | Visual Studio |
| 21:46.36 | dataw0lf | Their debugger rocks. |
| 21:46.42 | RyanE | which I hadn't used in *years*, and didn't really miss until I started using it again. |
| 21:46.51 | el_gaucho | yeah visual studio is nice ide |
| 21:46.54 | RyanE | other than non-VI keybindings, it's much less sucky than I remembered |
| 21:47.13 | el_gaucho | macnewbold, would like eclipse...it has emac bindings |
| 21:47.22 | dataw0lf | Whenever anyone says 'Microsucks' or whatever I just bring up Visual Studio. |
| 21:47.31 | dataw0lf | Microsoft _can_ make a good application. |
| 21:47.33 | RyanE | say what you want, they can make a nice IDE |
| 21:47.49 | RyanE | and early versions of Word also rocked, although the bloat kind of bites. |
| 21:48.03 | dataw0lf | then again, it's pretty nice to have the jump on creating an IDE that is used for the platform you develop. |
| 21:48.03 | el_gaucho | i used it with alot of opengl programming and it rocked |
| 21:48.13 | dataw0lf | I used it mainly for DirectX stuff. |
| 21:48.41 | RyanE | I get to do Home Automation programming in it, which is really the icing on the cake. |
| 21:49.05 | el_gaucho | that does sound kinda fun |
| 21:49.16 | el_gaucho | i think i would love to do some embedded programming myself |
| 21:49.29 | el_gaucho | thought i wouldnt mind dsp programming either |
| 21:49.56 | RyanE | my stuff is fairly high level, I don't really consider it embedded programming, as it's compiled in Windows, and also cross-compiled to our Linux ARM platform |
| 21:50.16 | el_gaucho | dataw0lf, get with wps he has a book for you |
| 21:50.24 | dataw0lf | which book? |
| 21:50.27 | RyanE | so that's my issue with UPHPU right now |
| 21:50.27 | dataw0lf | wx? |
| 21:50.36 | el_gaucho | dataw0lf, yes |
| 21:50.39 | dataw0lf | damn. |
| 21:50.47 | dataw0lf | I was hoping it was the Playboy Anniversary Edition. |
| 21:50.51 | RyanE | what's wx? |
| 21:50.53 | el_gaucho | i keep that on |
| 21:50.56 | dataw0lf | RyanE: wxWidgets. |
| 21:50.59 | RyanE | aha |
| 21:50.59 | el_gaucho | s/on/one |
| 21:51.15 | dataw0lf | el_gaucho: Thanks for keeping it for me. |
| 21:51.20 | el_gaucho | RyanE, whatz your issue with uphpu? you dont do php programming |
| 21:51.25 | el_gaucho | dataw0lf, np |
| 21:51.30 | dataw0lf | I just grabbed up PHP In A Nutshell. Good stuff. |
| 21:51.46 | el_gaucho | really...i hat in a nutshell books |
| 21:52.06 | RyanE | 1) don't do PHP much 2) no time, other UG's are higher priority 3) presentations haven't been that enticing lately |
| 21:52.20 | dataw0lf | I <3 In A Nutshell books. |
| 21:52.25 | dataw0lf | and the Pocket References. |
| 21:52.26 | el_gaucho | yeah that is true |
| 21:52.31 | el_gaucho | pocket refs i like |
| 21:52.52 | el_gaucho | sys admin one is fantastic |
| 21:52.53 | dataw0lf | the Python In A Nutshell book is a must-have. |
| 21:53.13 | dataw0lf | I don't need a reference for system administration *sniff* |
| 21:53.14 | el_gaucho | really...cause the learning python blows chunks |
| 21:53.26 | dataw0lf | I used to think Learning Python sucked too. |
| 21:53.32 | dataw0lf | but then I actually read it, and it's pretty decent. |
| 21:53.34 | el_gaucho | the sys admin one has all the commands for most oses |
| 21:53.59 | el_gaucho | sometimes when im on an hp i like to crack it open |
| 21:54.23 | fungus | I have UNIX in a Nutshell open on my desk almost all the time. |
| 21:54.26 | dataw0lf | I need a reference for the SRM Console. |
| 21:54.28 | RyanE | Last HP I used was HPUX 8.0ish |
| 21:54.42 | el_gaucho | we have some old ones we still use |
| 21:54.50 | dataw0lf | if I could get a pocket reference for that I'd be in heaven. |
| 21:54.53 | el_gaucho | so i tend to ref it |
| 21:55.13 | dataw0lf | I just did some work on some 11is |
| 21:55.23 | fungus | Programming Perl is the second most used book, cause perl sucks. |
| 21:55.43 | dataw0lf | ()#$*%JKDFLD#$( |
| 21:55.54 | dataw0lf | ^-- hey, look, it's a Perl network card driver. |
| 21:56.01 | fungus | lol |
| 21:56.03 | dataw0lf | it also washes the dishes. |
| 21:56.48 | dataw0lf | I dunno if I've ever shown anyone this Python code: |
| 21:56.57 | dataw0lf | http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/tinyp2p.html |
| 21:57.13 | RyanE | so, opinion time: Fix it or Trash it? 10-yo Nissan Pickup, needs new clutch and fuel pump, but otherwise runs great. |
| 21:57.24 | dataw0lf | RyanE: miles? |
| 21:57.41 | RyanE | 170k |
| 21:57.59 | dataw0lf | How much is the clutch and fuel pump gonna cost you? You putting em in yourselves or paying for labor too? |
| 21:58.09 | RyanE | manual transmission, 2wd, so I don't anticipate other repairs after this. |
| 21:58.16 | RyanE | probably $800+ |
| 21:58.20 | RyanE | can't really do it myself |
| 21:58.29 | dataw0lf | meh. |
| 21:58.35 | dataw0lf | you can probably get a couple more years out of it. |
| 21:58.40 | macnewbold | what's blue book on it? |
| 21:58.46 | RyanE | probably negative. :) |
| 21:58.56 | RyanE | on the bright side, I haven't made payments on it for 10 years. |
| 21:59.05 | macnewbold | if ($repairs > $bluebook) { dontBother(); } |
| 21:59.08 | macnewbold | hehe, true |
| 21:59.28 | macnewbold | though have to consider the cost of replacing it |
| 21:59.30 | dataw0lf | these the first major part replacements? |
| 21:59.32 | RyanE | I think the engine will rust out and fall on the pavement, still running. |
| 21:59.33 | RyanE | yeah |
| 21:59.38 | macnewbold | wow |
| 21:59.40 | dataw0lf | shoot. |
| 21:59.44 | dataw0lf | I'd keep it for a couple more years. |
| 21:59.49 | dataw0lf | sounds like a lucky vehicle. |
| 21:59.52 | RyanE | that's how I'm leaning. |
| 22:00.01 | macnewbold | or it could mean that it is about to fall apart any day now... |
| 22:00.02 | dataw0lf | you gotta have some attachment with something that reliable. |
| 22:00.05 | RyanE | besides, I just put in a new radio. :) |
| 22:00.07 | macnewbold | ah |
| 22:00.09 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:00.10 | macnewbold | in that case, fix it |
| 22:00.21 | RyanE | I have an attachment to not having car payments. |
| 22:00.27 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 22:00.30 | dataw0lf | true that. |
| 22:00.53 | dataw0lf | 96 or 95? |
| 22:01.38 | RyanE | actually, it's older than that. It's not 10 years old, thats just how long I've not been paying on it... it's a '90. |
| 22:01.47 | dataw0lf | ahh. |
| 22:01.49 | RyanE | older than I remember... |
| 22:01.53 | RyanE | :) |
| 22:01.56 | dataw0lf | hehe. |
| 22:02.18 | RyanE | still leaning towards keeping it. decent commuting car, my wife doesn't like to drive it. |
| 22:02.29 | dataw0lf | so I was watching some show or the other yesterday, and there was this really cute girl on. |
| 22:02.35 | dataw0lf | And I'm like, 'man, I'd date her.' |
| 22:02.38 | dataw0lf | then they show her birthday |
| 22:02.40 | RyanE | what show? |
| 22:02.43 | RyanE | hehe |
| 22:02.46 | dataw0lf | 1989! |
| 22:02.56 | dataw0lf | oh, yea, it was Final Destination 3 |
| 22:03.03 | dataw0lf | these kids who were just graduating high school |
| 22:03.06 | dataw0lf | in the movie |
| 22:03.12 | dataw0lf | I was like, man, that chick is cute. |
| 22:03.13 | dataw0lf | 1989 |
| 22:03.21 | RyanE | pretty young. |
| 22:03.21 | dataw0lf | that's my little brother's age. |
| 22:03.39 | dataw0lf | it's boggling. |
| 22:03.49 | dataw0lf | time is starting to really speed up for me. |
| 22:03.57 | dataw0lf | soon enough I'll have a paunch. |
| 22:04.01 | RyanE | hmmm. In '89, I was back from Brasil, going to school. |
| 22:04.08 | RyanE | that's the year I met my wife. |
| 22:04.21 | dataw0lf | you're an oooold man. |
| 22:04.25 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 22:04.27 | RyanE | dataw0lf: you could be saying that about THIS year. :) |
| 22:04.43 | dataw0lf | ack |
| 22:04.53 | dataw0lf | I haven't met my wife yet. |
| 22:04.57 | RyanE | hehe |
| 22:04.59 | dataw0lf | thank god. |
| 22:05.18 | dataw0lf | I realized that I can't say how much I make anymore at the bar. |
| 22:05.51 | dataw0lf | since most of the people my age at the bar are either in school or... well.. losers. |
| 22:06.29 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: how much _do_ you make at the bar? |
| 22:06.30 | macnewbold | ~rimshot |
| 22:06.35 | jbot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 22:06.57 | dataw0lf | Hey, I'm 23 and making more than most people old or not in SLC. |
| 22:07.09 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: depends on what dress I wear. |
| 22:07.14 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 22:07.16 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 22:07.20 | macnewbold | computer skillz can make some pretty good money these days |
| 22:07.22 | RyanE | dataw0lf: 5 figures or 6? |
| 22:07.36 | dataw0lf | RyanE: Unfortunately, I'm still stuck at 5. |
| 22:07.46 | dataw0lf | hey, if I shaved my legs I might be able to pull it off. |
| 22:07.47 | macnewbold | there's time, my young padawan... |
| 22:07.57 | macnewbold | yeah, your face does look pretty girly |
| 22:08.02 | macnewbold | j/k |
| 22:08.08 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:08.25 | dataw0lf | I know I'll be making 6+ before I turn 30 so I'm not too concerned. |
| 22:08.34 | RyanE | When I was 23, I made 30k |
| 22:08.47 | dataw0lf | back in the 60s, though, I'm sure that was bank. |
| 22:08.55 | RyanE | hehe |
| 22:09.03 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 22:09.30 | RyanE | it was the same amount my dad was making at the time, so I thought it was pretty good. |
| 22:09.39 | dataw0lf | what were you doing? |
| 22:09.45 | RyanE | programmer |
| 22:09.50 | RyanE | fresh out of college |
| 22:10.01 | dataw0lf | Java? |
| 22:10.08 | RyanE | no such thing back then. :) |
| 22:10.10 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:10.13 | dataw0lf | should've known. |
| 22:10.15 | RyanE | Java was still called Oak. |
| 22:10.27 | RyanE | and no marketing muscle behind it at the time |
| 22:10.38 | dataw0lf | I remember that huge marketing push that came about. |
| 22:10.43 | RyanE | C / HPUX |
| 22:10.47 | dataw0lf | it was like a magic act. |
| 22:10.48 | RyanE | Curses |
| 22:10.50 | dataw0lf | 'TADA! JAVA!' |
| 22:11.03 | dataw0lf | that's how I started out. C / HPUX |
| 22:11.08 | RyanE | ncurses, actually |
| 22:11.11 | dataw0lf | non professionally. |
| 22:11.33 | RyanE | my first job was consulting for Geneva Steel. Tours of the plant were awesome. |
| 22:11.56 | dataw0lf | huge smelting buckets? |
| 22:12.17 | RyanE | they had two QBOP furnaces, and alot of ladles of hot steel. |
| 22:12.25 | RyanE | but we were doing software for their plate finishing plant. |
| 22:12.31 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 22:12.44 | RyanE | they didn't want to put in windows PC's because they had a tendency to melt, and $60 terminals were cheaper to replace. |
| 22:12.49 | dataw0lf | hehe. |
| 22:13.26 | RyanE | well, I guess I'd better stop it with the 'back in the good 'ole days' stories and get back to work. Later. |
| 22:13.34 | dataw0lf | me too |
| 22:13.34 | dataw0lf | cya |
| 23:06.49 | wps | is there anyway to make an ordered list start on a number other than 1? |
| 23:07.17 | wps | such as stating on three? |
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| 23:09.10 | wps | sweet, never mind |
| 23:09.12 | wps | I found it |
| 23:09.17 | wps | <ol start="3"> |