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| 00:08.24 | *** topic/#uphpu by bigdog_ut -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Happy VD |
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| 03:28.59 | bigdog_ut | anyone ever thought of doing a utah php conference |
| 03:36.40 | bigdog_ut | where oh where did this group go? |
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| 04:47.51 | bigdog_ut | evening all |
| 05:01.21 | bigdog_ut | i guess everyone is sleeping |
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| 16:37.55 | wps | anyone up for presenting tomorrow :) |
| 16:39.15 | jsmith | Nothing like asking at the last minute... |
| 16:39.28 | wps | yeah… I have been so busy, I forgot to arrange it |
| 16:39.45 | wps | I just remembered that tomorrow is the third week |
| 16:40.01 | wps | what do you guys think? should we cancel for February? |
| 16:40.10 | jsmith | No! |
| 16:40.13 | wps | or should I post to the list asking if anyone is up to present? |
| 16:40.19 | jsmith | Yeah! |
| 16:40.22 | wps | k |
| 16:47.20 | wps | oh… dang |
| 16:47.25 | wps | oops… wrong window |
| 16:47.28 | wps | :) |
| 16:56.00 | macnewbold | wps: wasn't bigdog going to put something together? |
| 16:56.18 | wps | he had mentioned that he would but it was never confirmed |
| 16:56.22 | macnewbold | doh |
| 16:56.36 | wps | he is hard to get ahold of during the day though so I thought that I'd still send out a notice to see if anyone was interested just in case |
| 16:56.39 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 16:57.03 | macnewbold | I thought there was someone else who was interested in presenting soon, but can't remember who it might have been |
| 16:57.34 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Happy VD (Valentine's Day, not the other) |
| 16:57.54 | macnewbold | I guess we can just cancel this time |
| 16:57.59 | macnewbold | I forgot it was coming too |
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| 17:10.21 | drewbono | Who stole my VD joke?! |
| 17:10.26 | drewbono | :-) |
| 17:10.29 | wps | huh? |
| 17:10.37 | drewbono | see topic |
| 17:13.24 | drewbono | If you're outputting html in php via echo, is it legal to simply reference your variables to output without stopping the echo? |
| 17:13.50 | drewbono | For ex: <?php echo "<div>hello $name</div>"; ?> |
| 17:13.51 | wps | I don't get it |
| 17:14.10 | drewbono | or <?php echo "<div>hello" . $name . "</div>"; ?> |
| 17:15.39 | jsmith | drewbono: Yes |
| 17:15.48 | drewbono | so the first example is ok? Is that how most of you do it? |
| 17:15.54 | jsmith | drewbono: It's legal in all 50 states, but not in Puerto Rico... |
| 17:16.08 | drewbono | There goes my trip to Puerto Rico... |
| 17:16.09 | drewbono | ;-) |
| 17:16.12 | jsmith | drewbono: Yes, the first example is perfectly legal... |
| 17:16.49 | drewbono | jsmith: thx |
| 17:17.01 | macnewbold | drewbono: that's the most common way to do it. Note that single quotes don't interpolate variables though... |
| 17:19.31 | drewbono | macnewbold: so you're saying that echo "hello '$name'"; would output "hello $name"? |
| 17:19.49 | drewbono | instead of the value of $name? |
| 17:20.17 | macnewbold | no, echo 'hello $name' would output hello $name |
| 17:20.30 | macnewbold | but echo "hello '$name'" would output hello 'drewbono' |
| 17:20.34 | macnewbold | for example |
| 17:20.56 | macnewbold | see also http://us3.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php |
| 17:21.01 | drewbono | thx |
| 17:21.37 | macnewbold | Or: |
| 17:21.38 | drewbono | macnewbold: that's freakin' brilliant |
| 17:21.39 | macnewbold | http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20050128093053370 |
| 17:21.55 | drewbono | I guess that's the price one pays for being a casual php coder |
| 17:22.00 | macnewbold | yeah, what can I say... php rocks |
| 17:22.45 | drewbono | macnewbold: wow...slides in powerpoint... |
| 17:22.53 | drewbono | Isn't that against the law or something? |
| 17:23.01 | drewbono | or maybe it's just in Puerto Rico. |
| 17:23.03 | drewbono | :-) |
| 17:23.24 | macnewbold | well, I did get severly beaten by wps until I chose something other than Arial for the font... |
| 17:23.52 | drewbono | wps has the tendency to do that. |
| 17:26.50 | drewbono | What's the meeting on this Thursday? |
| 17:27.13 | wps | we're still looking for a presentor |
| 17:33.04 | macnewbold | _psychic_: want to present tomorrow night at uphpu? ;) |
| 17:33.38 | _psychic_ | I thought Richard just presented on frameworks |
| 17:34.41 | wps | he did |
| 17:34.49 | macnewbold | yeah, but they bashed on cake |
| 17:34.56 | macnewbold | it was "php on trax" day |
| 17:35.51 | macnewbold | I could share some stuff about neat apache tricks with php, if everyone's really bored, but I'd just as soon skip the meeting I think |
| 17:36.07 | _psychic_ | :( |
| 17:36.53 | macnewbold | in a way, it is hard to ask everyone to come when we all know the presenter has only had time to throw something together. If we find someone, maybe have them put together something for next month instead? |
| 17:38.56 | wps | agreed |
| 17:39.07 | wps | so hopefully ray was planning on it |
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| 19:09.57 | macnewbold | ~bonk mindjuju |
| 19:09.59 | jbot | ACTION bonks mindjuju over the head |
| 19:10.13 | wps | jbot, kiss ChanServ |
| 19:10.14 | jbot | ACTION smooches ChanServ on the lips |
| 19:11.27 | mindjuju | actually, i think it would be pretty cool to learn more about the emulab at u of u |
| 19:11.34 | mindjuju | i wonder who may have worked there??? |
| 19:11.59 | macnewbold | yeah, yeah... |
| 19:12.25 | macnewbold | you should have come to the GUBUG meeting a year or so ago - Jay Lepreau and a couple of others from up there came and spoke about it |
| 19:12.26 | mindjuju | hey, i just found out what that was a couple of weeks ago, while studying a related topic in wikipedia |
| 19:12.38 | macnewbold | what topic? |
| 19:13.01 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 19:13.28 | mindjuju | you know, i can't remember now, but i remember that it had emulab as a word in a paragraph, and i remembered that word from your home page and didn't know what it meant so i read about it |
| 19:17.18 | RyanE | yeah, they do all kinds of tests on various types of Emu. |
| 19:17.20 | RyanE | cool stuff. |
| 19:17.57 | fungus | did they ever get that wifi robot thing working? |
| 19:18.30 | mindjuju | well, i hereby nominate Macnewbold as presenter of uPHPu meeting for feburary. Anybody care to second the nomination? |
| 19:18.43 | macnewbold | ~fish mindjuju |
| 19:18.45 | jbot | ACTION slaps mindjuju around with a large trout |
| 19:19.13 | macnewbold | fungus: yes, the robots work |
| 19:19.24 | macnewbold | I think there's a live web cam on www.emulab.net to watch them |
| 19:21.17 | fungus | cool. |
| 19:22.13 | fungus | although those antennae are a bit large for realistic testing. |
| 19:22.43 | fungus | nm, they have small ones too. |
| 19:22.48 | macnewbold | they have multiple radios, IIRC, one for control and one (or some) for the experiment |
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| 19:24.59 | fungus | damn, have to have an account to see the webcams. |
| 19:25.14 | wps | jbot, lart fungus for language |
| 19:27.43 | fungus | Sorry, "Hoover Dam", have to have an account to see the webcams. |
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| 19:38.37 | mindjuju | well, i know it isn't a PHP topic, but we could go over that new study by levanta and OSDL about the advantages of linux |
| 19:38.43 | mindjuju | i found the report on this page |
| 19:38.44 | mindjuju | http://www.levanta.com/linuxstudy/ |
| 19:39.02 | mindjuju | for tomorrow's meeting that is |
| 19:57.20 | fungus | anyone know how session id's are generated? I just had a problem with two different users trying to save a session with the same filename. |
| 19:57.24 | wps | alright, gents |
| 19:57.26 | wps | jsmith |
| 19:57.27 | wps | macnewbold: |
| 19:57.32 | wps | I just heard from Ray |
| 19:57.36 | macnewbold | nice |
| 19:57.37 | wps | he can't do tomorrow night |
| 19:57.39 | macnewbold | doh |
| 19:57.41 | wps | he can do March though |
| 19:57.45 | macnewbold | nice |
| 19:58.10 | wps | I actually can't make it tomorrow night either |
| 19:58.16 | wps | so… your call |
| 19:58.26 | wps | if either of you can make it and want to run something I'll announce it |
| 19:58.30 | macnewbold | fungus: I think it's something like mktmpnam, but not positive. |
| 19:58.31 | wps | otherwise, we'll cancel |
| 19:58.49 | macnewbold | k, so what are the choices? cancel or ____ ? |
| 19:59.10 | wps | no one else has volunteered besides mindjuju's non-PHP-direct topics |
| 20:00.56 | macnewbold | if a bunch of people really were planning on it and want to meet, I could throw together a brief presentation on some stuff we haven't really discussed before, but otherwise, I'd vote to cancel. Only real downside to canceling is that people who were planning on it will have to be notified, so nobody shows up to the non-meeting. (make sure Mike at Linux Networx knows for sure) |
| 20:01.40 | wps | I hate canceling. Consistency is good. |
| 20:02.29 | macnewbold | yeah, I agree |
| 20:03.09 | macnewbold | should we take a vote in here or something? I'm curious how many of the people in here would actually be there tomorrow night if we did a meeting. |
| 20:03.20 | macnewbold | We've had no publicity on this one, so I bet I'm not the only one that forgot it was coming |
| 20:04.13 | wps | macnewbold: _psychic_ com4 diskotec|w eco fungus jsmith kryp71k mindjuju pabo RyanE synic tierra Utah_Dave xilch|w |
| 20:04.31 | wps | who was planning on attending the meeting tomorrow? or who would go if we keep it scheduled? |
| 20:05.13 | macnewbold | If it happens, I'd go (unless I'm presenting ;) j/k), but my feelings wouldn't be hurt if it was canceled. |
| 20:05.16 | mindjuju | i actually had the night available so i could have gone, but don't want the meeting to just be me |
| 20:05.35 | macnewbold | that's two of us then, if wps can't go |
| 20:05.52 | macnewbold | if we can get at least 8-10 it might be worth doing |
| 20:05.56 | wps | I could be there, but I would probably be late |
| 20:05.58 | pabo | what time? |
| 20:06.04 | wps | I'm taking the scouts grocery shopping at six |
| 20:06.04 | xilch|w | wps: I can't make it |
| 20:06.11 | macnewbold | 7pm @ point of the mountain |
| 20:06.24 | macnewbold | wps: personal management merit badge, huh? |
| 20:06.34 | pabo | i don't know how late i'll be working.. but probably later than that.. |
| 20:06.37 | wps | nope, Klondike Friday |
| 20:06.37 | macnewbold | or getting ready for camping? |
| 20:06.40 | macnewbold | ah, right |
| 20:07.00 | macnewbold | k, so we're still at two potential attendees |
| 20:07.15 | fungus | I am willing to go. |
| 20:07.18 | macnewbold | three |
| 20:07.20 | wps | I have a ton of books |
| 20:07.22 | wps | swwwwwwag |
| 20:07.53 | macnewbold | FWIW, if I presented it would be about cool stuff you can do with PHP when run with apache, especially 404 handlers that are php scripts, and why you might want to do that |
| 20:09.04 | macnewbold | if we have a way to get some schwag from wps before tomorrow night, we could give some away |
| 20:09.10 | fungus | I could do a bit about SQLite, but to do it right it would take more prep time. |
| 20:09.26 | pabo | ooh.. i'd try to make it to that.. |
| 20:09.33 | pabo | i like sqlite.. |
| 20:09.37 | mindjuju | i could get the swag from wps tonight, i live on the other side of the freeway from him |
| 20:10.38 | wps | let's do it then |
| 20:10.39 | wps | there are people that show up that aren't in here |
| 20:10.39 | wps | which is it? mac's php handlers? or fungus' SQLite? |
| 20:10.41 | mindjuju | hey, and for fun, we could go TP wps's house afterwards! |
| 20:10.48 | wps | you're welcome to it |
| 20:10.48 | jsmith | I'm in then! |
| 20:11.05 | wps | I live on a third floor… have fun climbing the terrace |
| 20:11.08 | macnewbold | ooh, sqlite |
| 20:11.10 | macnewbold | nice |
| 20:12.15 | wps | I say that we do PHP 404 tonight, and then let Fungus prepare something awesome for April |
| 20:12.26 | wps | what do you say… that work for you macnewbold and fungus? |
| 20:12.30 | fungus | I'm cool w/ that. |
| 20:12.33 | macnewbold | I can't do it tonight, but I could tomorrow |
| 20:12.40 | macnewbold | sounds good, fungus |
| 20:12.40 | wps | yeah, tomorrow |
| 20:12.41 | wps | awesome |
| 20:12.45 | macnewbold | k |
| 20:12.46 | wps | It's on the calendar |
| 20:12.47 | macnewbold | deal then |
| 20:12.48 | wps | thanks boys |
| 20:12.54 | macnewbold | ~whack wps |
| 20:12.55 | jbot | ACTION whacks wps upside the head. |
| 20:13.07 | macnewbold | ~celebrate UPHPU meeting tomorrow |
| 20:13.14 | wps | macnewbold: can you give me a sentence or two about what you want to present on for me to post to the list? |
| 20:13.38 | macnewbold | sure |
| 20:14.36 | macnewbold | Running PHP with Apache has some definite advantages. One that I use frequently is using a PHP script as the 404 document that apache uses when a page can't be found. |
| 20:14.47 | macnewbold | You can use it for many things. |
| 20:15.05 | macnewbold | PHP.net uses it to run a site search, to try and find the page you were looking for. |
| 20:15.35 | macnewbold | You can use it to create "virtual" URLs, where one script handles requests for many different URLs and hands back dynamic content based on the page name. |
| 20:16.02 | macnewbold | You can even combine it with things like GD to make dynamic images that are created on the fly for each URL. |
| 20:16.18 | wps | thanks! |
| 20:16.25 | macnewbold | np |
| 20:16.27 | macnewbold | hope that works |
| 20:16.43 | macnewbold | I'll try to also get some stuff together about passing variables into php from .htaccess files or httpd.conf |
| 20:18.24 | jsmith | macnewbold: That would be nice... |
| 20:18.37 | macnewbold | cool, are you coming? |
| 20:18.59 | jsmith | I'll try... tomorrow night, right? |
| 20:19.02 | macnewbold | right |
| 20:19.08 | jsmith | I can come, but I may have to duck out at 8:00 |
| 20:19.08 | macnewbold | 7pm |
| 20:19.11 | macnewbold | sure |
| 20:19.16 | macnewbold | we'll probably be finishing up by then |
| 20:19.18 | jsmith | OK, I'll come. |
| 20:19.22 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 20:19.28 | macnewbold | there will be at least 4 of us then :) |
| 20:26.41 | Utah_Dave | I'm going to try to come, too. But I'm going to the Scout Klondike on Friday too and have a lot of stuff to finish up for it. |
| 20:27.02 | wps | Utah_Dave: Maple Dell? |
| 20:27.17 | Utah_Dave | yep! is that the one you're going to? |
| 20:27.23 | wps | yes |
| 20:27.39 | Utah_Dave | cool. looks like there should be plenty of snow. |
| 20:27.44 | wps | definately |
| 20:27.57 | wps | I'm exited to use my new snowshoes |
| 20:28.30 | Utah_Dave | yeah, that's what I'm most worried about. I don't think most of our kids have decent enough footwear. myself included |
| 20:32.18 | wps | I am very worried about that too |
| 20:32.21 | wps | not just footwear |
| 20:32.26 | wps | decent gear period |
| 20:36.26 | Utah_Dave | yeah, we have a couple of Tongan kids that grew up in Hawaii who wear shorts every day. No matter what. I've been trying to impress on them the virtues of pants in deep snow. :) |
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| 20:45.35 | dataw0lf | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11355738/ |
| 20:45.42 | dataw0lf | afternoon gentlement |
| 20:45.45 | dataw0lf | men* |
| 20:47.06 | pabo | twinkies |
| 20:47.50 | wps | I wonder why the story is "OREM, UT" instead of Provo |
| 20:48.07 | pabo | foreigners man.. |
| 20:48.19 | pabo | pretty soon it's going to be prorem anyway isn't it? |
| 20:49.22 | jsmith | I thought they'd name it Orovo |
| 20:52.31 | dataw0lf | that's got a nice ring to it. |
| 20:53.24 | dataw0lf | wow. 2 registered users and 20 guests on the UPHPU site. |
| 20:57.33 | pabo | man.. why can't we all just use unix timestamps.. it seems so much simpler.. |
| 21:01.11 | wps | wow |
| 21:02.09 | RyanE | wps: (and Utah_Dave): Maple Dell was our winter camp growing up. I froze my a$$ off up there a couple of winters. |
| 21:02.30 | Utah_Dave | I bet |
| 21:02.43 | dataw0lf | your change got stuck together? |
| 21:02.50 | dataw0lf | terrible joke |
| 21:03.00 | RyanE | my bills, actually |
| 21:03.03 | mindjuju | sup dw |
| 21:04.38 | pabo | hey dataw0lf did you write a cool python simulator like that ruby one yet? |
| 21:09.37 | dataw0lf | sup mindjuju |
| 21:09.43 | dataw0lf | pabo: 'simulator' ? |
| 21:09.56 | dataw0lf | I've been writing alot of GIS centric stuff for work. |
| 21:09.59 | dataw0lf | + ironsite |
| 21:10.01 | pabo | well, whatever you call it.. remember that ruby thing you posted? |
| 21:10.02 | dataw0lf | that's about it recently. |
| 21:10.07 | pabo | like a trainer |
| 21:10.17 | dataw0lf | oh, no. |
| 21:11.40 | pabo | ahh.. here it is.. http://tryruby.hobix.com/ |
| 21:12.08 | dataw0lf | yeah, it's pretty nifty. I might add a Pythonic version as a module for ironsite. |
| 21:18.17 | pabo | http://www.datamech.com/devan/trypython/trypython.py |
| 21:18.30 | pabo | not quite as cool.. |
| 21:21.05 | dataw0lf | the try ruby tutorial is pretty slick, it's written very well. |
| 21:21.41 | pabo | ooh.. now this looks pretty cool.. it's got a lot of languages in there.. http://zamples.com/JspExplorer/index.jsp |
| 21:22.54 | pabo | no php though.. ;( |
| 21:23.53 | dataw0lf | mindjuju, haven't seen you in a while. |
| 21:43.39 | mindjuju | sorry, stepped away for quick meeting, good to see ya dataw0lf |
| 21:43.52 | mindjuju | yeah, got mega swamped with projects and roll outs |
| 21:44.06 | dataw0lf | I hear ya |
| 21:44.28 | mindjuju | plus had to roll out my first RHEL 4 box |
| 21:44.43 | dataw0lf | Nice, you planning on getting your RHCE? |
| 21:45.23 | mindjuju | you know, RHEL wasn't actually that bad. It took a little getting used to, but now that I know what up, it's good |
| 21:45.33 | mindjuju | loved the up2date command line feature |
| 21:45.43 | dataw0lf | yea, RHEL is nice. |
| 21:45.49 | mindjuju | where you call the packages you want right there |
| 21:46.00 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 21:46.46 | jsmith | mindjuju: up2date? Why not just use yum? |
| 21:47.10 | dataw0lf | I've forsaken yum after it forsook me a year or so ago. |
| 21:47.31 | mindjuju | yum? not that l337 |
| 21:48.10 | mindjuju | never heard of yum |
| 21:48.42 | jsmith | dataw0lf: It did start out pretty rough, but it's getting better now. |
| 21:48.48 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Still beats the up2date command-line client |
| 21:49.58 | dataw0lf | on our RHEL 3 boxes I use yum but everything else RH I just use up2date. |
| 21:51.50 | mindjuju | when I installed rhel 4, i had it include mysql. it later turned out i needed something for php to interact with multibyte string, on a whim i typed in up2date -i php-mbyte (if i remember correctly) and the thing found the module and installed |
| 21:51.57 | mindjuju | literally like a 2 second operation |
| 21:52.34 | jsmith | Yup... |
| 21:54.37 | mindjuju | i wish windows was that way, it seem like every other day, i'm googling for vbrun400.dll or some other mega obscure file that you can only get from a cab file that only exists on disk #30 of the windows 95 installation diskette version |
| 21:58.45 | dataw0lf | that's why Debian is king |
| 21:58.47 | dataw0lf | well |
| 21:58.49 | dataw0lf | one of many reasons |
| 22:01.20 | mindjuju | wikipedia says debian upgrades and patches are done without rebooting... |
| 22:01.39 | dataw0lf | Of course. |
| 22:01.59 | dataw0lf | why would you need to reboot a Linux system to install stuff? |
| 22:04.25 | pabo | kernel upgrade |
| 22:04.26 | pabo | ? |
| 22:04.36 | pabo | hardware? |
| 22:04.45 | dataw0lf | not to install |
| 22:04.49 | dataw0lf | only to _use_ |
| 22:06.11 | dataw0lf | I much prefer Debian's packaging system in regards to user defined configurations over RH. I've had RH add stuff to initscripts implicitly before, like, X to a firewall. Yea. |
| 22:06.52 | dataw0lf | I also dislike all their predefined runlevel operations, but I guess that's just me. |
| 22:07.22 | mindjuju | Well, PHP had some harsh words for RHEL flavored apache running PHP saynig pretty much the same thing |
| 22:07.36 | mindjuju | RHEL made all the choices and it could lead to issues |
| 22:08.09 | *** join/#uphpu drewbono (n=andrew@128.187.157.149) |
| 22:08.09 | mindjuju | as it was my first real foray into Linux, i let RHEL decide, but i think i'll try another box with a different distro |
| 22:08.21 | dataw0lf | Debian's package policies are just so well done and implemented that it doesn't really leave anything to be desired on my end. |
| 22:09.32 | dataw0lf | Although, honestly, I am envious of chkconfig. |
| 22:10.03 | mindjuju | ah, now I know why dw like Debian so much... can any other OS say they have a page just for the women? |
| 22:10.05 | mindjuju | http://women.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:11.36 | mindjuju | here's the profile page for you single guys |
| 22:11.37 | mindjuju | http://women.alioth.debian.org/profiles/ |
| 22:11.48 | mindjuju | w/ pics |
| 22:14.24 | dataw0lf | it's true, the best looking women choose Debian. |
| 22:18.26 | dataw0lf | I should advocate for one of em |
| 22:18.28 | dataw0lf | let's see... |
| 22:18.48 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> new poll on website: march presentation topic |
| 22:19.17 | dataw0lf | It's so weird that mac is presenting on 404 handler scripts, I was thinking about a presentation on that just the other day. |
| 22:20.06 | fungus | I know the session filenames are md5 hashes, but what are they hashes of? |
| 22:20.44 | dataw0lf | a unique id based on system time. |
| 22:21.17 | fungus | hrm. then how is it possible for two different sites to try to store sessions in the same file. |
| 22:21.19 | dataw0lf | + an arbitrary string. |
| 22:23.03 | fungus | I am getting an error on the second site, because the session file already exists and it owned by someone else. |
| 22:23.06 | fungus | Warning: Unknown(): open(/tmp/sess_a09236b6f39722277f5a185033692898, O_RDWR) failed: Permission denied (13) in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 22:28.03 | mindjuju | hey dw, you still around? |
| 22:28.29 | dataw0lf | fungus: if you want to share sessions across multiple servers, a db storage approach would probably be the best. |
| 22:28.33 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: yea |
| 22:29.03 | dataw0lf | fungus, err, two different sites on the same server? |
| 22:29.14 | dataw0lf | you should be storing the sessions in a separate directory for each site |
| 22:29.45 | mindjuju | i'm looking at this auction to buy, it's for 2 servers to sit behind at xmission |
| 22:29.46 | mindjuju | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5867288791 |
| 22:29.47 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: you coming tomorrow night to the meeting? |
| 22:30.28 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: hm. y'know, I'm pulling an all nighter tomorrow but I could probably get away for a couple hours. |
| 22:31.06 | fungus | Yeah, storing them in a different folder would be nice, but this is a shared hosting server. I am stuck with many sites/users on one box. And I can't control their braindead apps. |
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| 22:32.53 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: were you thinking about attending such a presentation or giving one? |
| 22:33.04 | dataw0lf | giving one. |
| 22:33.07 | dataw0lf | it was just a brief thought |
| 22:33.11 | macnewbold | wanna help? |
| 22:33.17 | macnewbold | I'm sure you do stuff with 404 that I don't |
| 22:33.55 | macnewbold | if you're interested, msg me and we can make a quick plan |
| 22:33.57 | dataw0lf | Maybe, let me make sure I'm coming. |
| 22:34.43 | macnewbold | it wouldn't have to be anything too fancy... even if you wanted me to just put a couple of slides in with the topics you'll be discussing |
| 22:35.25 | dataw0lf | what're you focusing on? |
| 22:36.18 | dataw0lf | I've mainly used them for logging and giving reports on what's attempted to be accessed most |
| 22:37.04 | dataw0lf | and to maintain backwards compatibility for moved pages, etc. |
| 22:38.10 | mindjuju | hey, that's a good idea for the 404, backwards compatability, i use it for virtual pages, but i could easily throw that in there too |
| 22:41.08 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: just messaged you |
| 22:41.27 | dataw0lf | I did one where it'd try to find the referer's admin email and if found would email a report that their linkage was broken and the new linkage was X |
| 22:42.25 | macnewbold | logging and stuff would be nice - I don't do any special logging with 404s yet |
| 22:42.32 | macnewbold | very nice |
| 22:43.35 | dataw0lf | I have it coded in Python at my house, I could hack it up in PHP for tomorrow. |
| 22:46.45 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 22:51.00 | *** join/#uphpu RyanE_ (n=ryan@rberick.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 22:52.38 | macnewbold | ~welcome RyanE_ |
| 22:52.40 | jbot | Welcome to the party, RyanE_! |
| 22:57.27 | dataw0lf | I'd be interested if anyone knew how to get the email address assigned to a web server (ServerAdmin in apache) without doing a clunky parse of an intentional 404, though. I couldn't find another, better solution when I implemented the 404 reporter. |
| 23:01.43 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: how about a script that will remove a dead link from Google if it's the referer? |
| 23:02.47 | macnewbold | ooh, nice |
| 23:03.06 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: it is in $_SERVER, IIRC |
| 23:03.21 | macnewbold | check phpinfo() or print_r($_SERVER) |
| 23:03.54 | dataw0lf | oh, I mean a remote server |
| 23:04.04 | dataw0lf | not the server the php is hosted from |
| 23:04.21 | macnewbold | ah |
| 23:04.22 | macnewbold | doh |
| 23:04.36 | dataw0lf | so when someone is referred to a 404ed page, my 404 handler retrieves the referring server admin's email and emails them info that they need to change their link. |
| 23:04.42 | macnewbold | very nice |
| 23:04.44 | dataw0lf | I was just doing a 404 parser |
| 23:04.57 | dataw0lf | but that's so clunky, not to mention it doesn't work often. |
| 23:05.19 | macnewbold | right, if they've changed their structure, you're out of luck |
| 23:05.26 | macnewbold | but with a default apache 404, you could make it work |
| 23:05.56 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 23:09.14 | pabo | PHP-based content management and forum applications are a popular target for hackers, who can assemble powerful botnets by compromising servers rather than desktops. |
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| 23:11.46 | dataw0lf | pabo: I'm not even going to touch that. |
| 23:12.12 | pabo | i thought you'd like that one.. |
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| 23:57.55 | wps | drewbono: I just posted a question to the list that I wonder if you know that answer to |
| 23:58.37 | drewbono | wps: the answer is in modifying smb.conf |
| 23:58.50 | wps | does that effect AFP mounts? |
| 23:59.08 | wps | oh… wait… I've done that before |
| 23:59.08 | wps | duh |
| 23:59.42 | wps | sweet! |
| 23:59.47 | wps | apple just updated iTunes |
| 23:59.59 | wps | they better have fixed the freakin' rating smart playlist bug |