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| 01:05.22 | macnewbold | anyone know a good svn client for OSX? |
| 01:07.23 | wps | GUI? |
| 01:08.34 | wps | you can do it through Finder: http://www.joshbuhler.com/2005/07/05/setting-up-the-subversion-client-on-mac-os-x/ |
| 01:10.11 | macnewbold | cool |
| 01:10.41 | macnewbold | in this case, we have to vpn into their network first, |
| 01:10.45 | macnewbold | but that might do the trick |
| 01:10.46 | macnewbold | thanks! |
| 01:11.04 | wps | Josh Buhler is a great guy |
| 01:11.07 | wps | he is local (Orem) |
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| 01:36.57 | Epilog | hi there |
| 01:37.02 | Epilog | anyone here use gettext? |
| 03:48.06 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
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| 08:08.19 | Greygnome | Hey all!! Long time no chat! |
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| 14:04.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone have any information about what the average PHP developer gets paid in Utah? |
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| 15:08.34 | synic | Lone_Wanderer: dunno, but as a php dev I usually got paid around $15/hour. |
| 15:09.35 | Lone_Wanderer | when was this? |
| 15:10.06 | synic | hrmm, 2002-2003 |
| 15:12.23 | dataw0lf | average PHP developer in Utah? 15-25 |
| 15:12.27 | dataw0lf | it's pretty low |
| 15:16.03 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 15:16.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I say this every time |
| 15:16.44 | Lone_Wanderer | but this is the last all nighter I'm pulling |
| 15:16.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ever |
| 15:17.07 | dataw0lf | what? |
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| 15:17.13 | dataw0lf | all nighters rock. |
| 15:17.28 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, maybe a single all nighter |
| 15:17.33 | Lone_Wanderer | but I've been up since Monday |
| 15:17.58 | Lone_Wanderer | it's Wednesday right? |
| 15:18.01 | Lone_Wanderer | yep |
| 15:18.27 | Lone_Wanderer | so I'm going on 39 hours now |
| 15:18.33 | dataw0lf | gotta suck it up buddy |
| 15:19.16 | Lone_Wanderer | you'll have to forgive me for being so obtuse, but are you serious? |
| 15:20.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean I know you were in the Marines (you were right? or did I just make that up?) but I didn't think they were *that* hardcore. |
| 15:20.20 | dataw0lf | marines?? |
| 15:20.27 | dataw0lf | I was an attack pathfinder in the Army. |
| 15:20.48 | Lone_Wanderer | oh |
| 15:20.53 | Lone_Wanderer | here I thought you were cool |
| 15:20.56 | dataw0lf | anyways, you chose to stay up two days. In the army, I didn't get a choice. So whining about it now on IRC, that doesn't seem to make much sense. |
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| 15:21.39 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, that's true |
| 15:21.48 | Lone_Wanderer | what's an attack pathfinder? |
| 15:22.12 | Lone_Wanderer | sounds like the kind of guy you really don't want to be in the way of |
| 15:22.12 | dataw0lf | !google army attack pathfinder |
| 15:22.33 | _psychic_ | ~google army attack pathfinder |
| 15:22.40 | dataw0lf | bah |
| 15:22.42 | dataw0lf | http://www.specwarnet.com/americas/army_pathfinders.htm |
| 15:23.16 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah I'm there now |
| 15:24.18 | Lone_Wanderer | do you mind if I ask you about it? |
| 15:24.59 | dataw0lf | *shrug* As long as you don't ask me how many people I've killed. That seems to be a rather popular question, which I find bizarre. |
| 15:25.20 | _psychic_ | :/ |
| 15:26.14 | Lone_Wanderer | That's kind of disturbing. I don't even want to know *whether* you've killed anyone, much less whether you're messed up enough to have kept count. |
| 15:26.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Did you ever jump into combat? |
| 15:26.41 | dataw0lf | numerous times. |
| 15:26.59 | dataw0lf | oh, 'jump'. No, I 'air assaulted' into combat. |
| 15:27.01 | _psychic_ | would you do it all over again (your army time)? |
| 15:27.17 | dataw0lf | no. |
| 15:27.26 | dataw0lf | that's a really hard question though. |
| 15:27.30 | dataw0lf | but. no. |
| 15:28.09 | _psychic_ | why, if you want to answer that. |
| 15:28.16 | Lone_Wanderer | even assuming that you'd lose all the friendships and personality traits you developed there, the answer is still no? |
| 15:28.24 | dataw0lf | yes. |
| 15:28.40 | dataw0lf | because when I joined I convinced a good friend to join and she died in Iraq. |
| 15:28.57 | dataw0lf | and I lost a good friend on a point escort mission from sniper fire when he was 5 feet away from me. |
| 15:29.04 | dataw0lf | so |
| 15:29.08 | dataw0lf | friendships developed? |
| 15:29.12 | Lone_Wanderer | that sucks. I'm sorry. |
| 15:29.13 | dataw0lf | how about tics. |
| 15:30.09 | _psychic_ | Were you in Iraq? |
| 15:30.22 | dataw0lf | yes. |
| 15:30.40 | _psychic_ | Do you think our efforts there are are/were/still are a good idea? |
| 15:30.43 | Lone_Wanderer | were you in the 101st airborne? |
| 15:31.00 | dataw0lf | I was in the 101st for a very short time |
| 15:31.08 | dataw0lf | but our unit was detached and than attached to 1/1st cav |
| 15:31.19 | dataw0lf | then attached to the 75th rangers |
| 15:31.26 | dataw0lf | then back to the 101st |
| 15:31.37 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: No, I don't. |
| 15:32.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I realize how this sounds, but |
| 15:32.40 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 15:32.45 | Lone_Wanderer | do you think you're well informed enough to make a sound judgement on that? |
| 15:32.54 | dataw0lf | Yes, I do. |
| 15:33.03 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 15:33.11 | _psychic_ | I think its important to ask people who've had first-hand experience. |
| 15:33.22 | _psychic_ | Why not? because of our losses? |
| 15:33.26 | dataw0lf | do you think YOU'RE well informed enough to make a sound judgement on that? |
| 15:33.29 | Lone_Wanderer | no |
| 15:33.30 | dataw0lf | not just our losses. |
| 15:33.33 | dataw0lf | Losses are acceptable |
| 15:33.40 | dataw0lf | Afghanistan was right |
| 15:33.41 | dataw0lf | I was there |
| 15:33.44 | dataw0lf | my unit was making progress |
| 15:33.47 | dataw0lf | we were on point |
| 15:33.51 | dataw0lf | making contact with the enemy every day |
| 15:33.54 | dataw0lf | and we were pulled |
| 15:33.57 | dataw0lf | 6 months prior to Iraq |
| 15:33.59 | dataw0lf | to prepare for it |
| 15:34.04 | dataw0lf | Now |
| 15:34.07 | dataw0lf | Saddam was an evil guy |
| 15:34.10 | dataw0lf | we know this |
| 15:34.13 | dataw0lf | However |
| 15:34.32 | dataw0lf | his government did not support radical Islamics and the fundamentalists who we're supposed to be fighting |
| 15:34.35 | dataw0lf | In fact |
| 15:34.38 | dataw0lf | he kept terrorists out |
| 15:34.42 | dataw0lf | by destabilizing the region |
| 15:34.48 | dataw0lf | we've stirred up a hornets nest |
| 15:34.54 | Lone_Wanderer | wait |
| 15:35.10 | dataw0lf | and given the terrorists a place to train against actual soldiers and a showable reason for them to fuel their propaganda |
| 15:35.17 | Lone_Wanderer | did he keep terrorists out be destabilizing the region, or be destabilizing the region we've stirred up a hornet's nest? |
| 15:35.22 | Lone_Wanderer | by* |
| 15:35.40 | dataw0lf | by destabilizing the region we've stirred up a hornet's nest and allowed terrorists inside Iraq |
| 15:35.43 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 15:35.48 | dataw0lf | Do you think there were terrorists inside Iraq before we invaded? |
| 15:35.53 | dataw0lf | I mean, maybe a handful |
| 15:35.54 | Lone_Wanderer | no |
| 15:35.54 | dataw0lf | MAYBE |
| 15:35.57 | dataw0lf | so |
| 15:36.03 | dataw0lf | and there aren't any WMDs |
| 15:36.08 | dataw0lf | did you believe Bush and co when they said there were? |
| 15:36.09 | Lone_Wanderer | no, I never bought the terrorist/wmd argument |
| 15:36.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I only *live* in this state. |
| 15:36.33 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 15:36.37 | _psychic_ | What about the liberation of the people and the democratic reform? |
| 15:36.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I actually moved because my roommate wouldn't shut up about it. |
| 15:36.44 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 15:36.50 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: the liberation of the people and the democratic reform?? |
| 15:36.51 | dataw0lf | hahaha |
| 15:36.56 | dataw0lf | ohoh |
| 15:37.00 | _psychic_ | well... |
| 15:37.03 | dataw0lf | who's to decide that democracy is fit for them? |
| 15:37.05 | dataw0lf | They are. |
| 15:37.09 | _psychic_ | I had a friend who was there |
| 15:37.09 | dataw0lf | and they didn't decide |
| 15:37.12 | dataw0lf | we decided for them |
| 15:37.19 | dataw0lf | you cannot force an alien culture on another |
| 15:37.19 | _psychic_ | he wasn't in combat |
| 15:37.21 | dataw0lf | It won't work. |
| 15:37.35 | _psychic_ | I suppose that's the overarching question. |
| 15:37.38 | dataw0lf | Let me tell you something about soldiers over there who're support, all due respect. |
| 15:37.53 | dataw0lf | but they are over there getting hazard duty and danger pay and collecting federal tax free income |
| 15:37.59 | dataw0lf | without much risk (comparatively) |
| 15:38.03 | dataw0lf | so they'll say that it's nice over there |
| 15:38.06 | dataw0lf | they'll say they want to stay. |
| 15:38.19 | dataw0lf | 90% of my unit was republican before we went to Iraq. |
| 15:38.31 | dataw0lf | less than, I'd say, 25% still was after 4 months of that bogus crap. |
| 15:38.35 | _psychic_ | That wasn't his particular perspective. |
| 15:38.41 | dataw0lf | yea, I'm just saying. |
| 15:38.45 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: I read an article a few weeks ago about the USD being backed by oil, which basically said that we invaded Iraq because Saddam was trying to sell oil for euros instead of dollars. |
| 15:38.56 | dataw0lf | I'm sure that was part of it |
| 15:39.01 | dataw0lf | I don't really care though |
| 15:39.08 | dataw0lf | I trusted my government when I went into Afghanistan |
| 15:39.16 | dataw0lf | I fought for my country and for the victims of 9/11 |
| 15:39.25 | Lone_Wanderer | also, without the support units, you'd be SOL, wouldn't you? |
| 15:39.30 | dataw0lf | I feel violated and misused, and don't recommend anyone joining the army anymore |
| 15:39.41 | Lone_Wanderer | when did you join? |
| 15:39.46 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: that's why I said all due respect. I'm not saying they're bad people, just look at it from their perspective. |
| 15:39.49 | dataw0lf | 2000 |
| 15:40.11 | Lone_Wanderer | what I'm really wondering is - before or after 9/11? |
| 15:40.14 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: thx for your perspective - I gotta run tho |
| 15:40.35 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: before 9/11 |
| 15:40.41 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: bye. |
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| 15:41.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm thinking before because if you hit Afghanistan in what I have the impression is an elite unit, you wouldn't have had time I don't think to have enlisted and gotten the training if you joined after |
| 15:41.46 | dataw0lf | I said before. |
| 15:42.04 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah but I started typing and... never mind |
| 15:42.15 | dataw0lf | right on. |
| 15:43.42 | Lone_Wanderer | some people think that when you join the military, you lose the right to... *thinks* |
| 15:44.09 | Lone_Wanderer | well, a soldier's job is to take orders, not to question them, right? |
| 15:44.36 | dataw0lf | Definitely. |
| 15:44.37 | Lone_Wanderer | and that seems to creep over into political positions |
| 15:44.46 | dataw0lf | But see, while a soldier's job is to take orders. |
| 15:44.57 | dataw0lf | there is a certain level of trust entailed with the people given those orders. |
| 15:44.58 | Lone_Wanderer | like, if you're in the military, you're not allowed to question the orders of the commander in chief |
| 15:45.10 | Lone_Wanderer | which is another question I have, but yes |
| 15:45.10 | dataw0lf | you're not allowed to question anyone in the chain of command |
| 15:45.26 | dataw0lf | but a commissioned officer is by law not allowed to speak negatively of those above (including the commander in chief) |
| 15:45.31 | dataw0lf | enlisted, we can. |
| 15:45.37 | Lone_Wanderer | really? |
| 15:45.48 | dataw0lf | Yes. |
| 15:45.57 | Lone_Wanderer | that must be why Cpt. Barker had me close the door when he cussed out President Clinton |
| 15:46.18 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 15:46.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I was in the AFROTC during the end of the Clinton administration |
| 15:46.43 | dataw0lf | a captain cussed out the president? |
| 15:46.45 | Lone_Wanderer | didn't get to commission for various reasons I'm not anxious to go into |
| 15:46.50 | dataw0lf | I don't believe you. |
| 15:46.59 | Lone_Wanderer | he didn't use any actual swear words |
| 15:47.11 | Lone_Wanderer | this was a long time ago, but from what I recall |
| 15:47.19 | dataw0lf | it's still rather unbelievable. |
| 15:47.27 | Lone_Wanderer | he just complained that the president was stripping the military of the ability to do it's job effectively |
| 15:47.45 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 15:47.51 | dataw0lf | I have a really hard time believing that. |
| 15:47.54 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 15:47.55 | dataw0lf | but I guess I'll take you at your word |
| 15:48.05 | Lone_Wanderer | I didn't know it was illegal. |
| 15:48.40 | Lone_Wanderer | but anyway |
| 15:49.41 | Lone_Wanderer | so to what extent are you able to be politically active against the decisions of the president or congress? |
| 15:49.57 | dataw0lf | To whatever extent I wish. |
| 15:50.10 | dataw0lf | (which is allowed to any other civilian, anyways) |
| 15:50.12 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 15:50.17 | dataw0lf | (which seems to be getting worse and worse) |
| 15:50.21 | Lone_Wanderer | right |
| 15:51.10 | Lone_Wanderer | did you ever have to serve under someone you felt was incompetent? |
| 15:51.20 | dataw0lf | Yes. |
| 15:51.51 | Lone_Wanderer | what kind of recourse do you have in a situation like that? |
| 15:52.07 | Lone_Wanderer | was that unusual? |
| 15:52.16 | dataw0lf | ehh |
| 15:52.26 | dataw0lf | 2nd lieutenants are incompetent. It's taken for granted. |
| 15:52.32 | Lone_Wanderer | well, sure |
| 15:52.44 | dataw0lf | but I had this one 1st lieutenant who was a complete piece of sh*t |
| 15:52.54 | dataw0lf | we got rid of him pretty quickly though |
| 15:53.09 | dataw0lf | I would've died for my platoon sergeant and CO |
| 15:53.14 | dataw0lf | great leaders |
| 15:53.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm hoping that 2lt's are smart enough to realize that they don't know much and pay a lot of attention to their sergeants |
| 15:53.55 | dataw0lf | most do |
| 15:54.20 | dataw0lf | in the pathfinders and other spec units it's not much of a problem, because they're handpicked and good at what they do |
| 15:54.49 | dataw0lf | but I've had to escort some maintenance units and worked with a variety of other support units and you'd think they recruited those guys from the runnerups at the special olympics |
| 15:55.06 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, that pissed me off when I went to meps |
| 15:56.13 | Lone_Wanderer | they wouldn't take me 'cause of something that happened more than 13 years ago but these other guys who look like they couldn't be trusted to piss on the fire are getting in no problem |
| 15:56.32 | Lone_Wanderer | how did you get rid of the 1lt? |
| 15:57.16 | dataw0lf | we got on his nerves til he went crazy |
| 15:57.24 | dataw0lf | then our platoon sergeant threatened him |
| 15:57.32 | dataw0lf | and he asked to be reassigned to a different platoon |
| 15:57.36 | Lone_Wanderer | literally crazy, or just really annoyed? |
| 15:58.05 | dataw0lf | well, really really annoyed. |
| 15:58.10 | dataw0lf | he didn't chapter out or anything |
| 15:58.13 | dataw0lf | that would've been awesome though |
| 16:00.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Wow, my respect for sjansen just went up a few notches. |
| 16:00.33 | Lone_Wanderer | He said "if worse comes to worst" and didn't butcher it. |
| 16:01.46 | dataw0lf | sjansen is a bright guy. |
| 16:14.51 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the overall experience of being in the military like? |
| 16:15.27 | Lone_Wanderer | My English teacher said that if I ever joined the military, I should read Catch-22, because "the idiots in that book will be all around you" |
| 16:17.49 | dataw0lf | meh. |
| 16:17.55 | dataw0lf | there are quite a few idiots, that's true. |
| 16:18.12 | dataw0lf | being in the military, at least as a pathfinder, is physically, emotionally, and mentally exhausting |
| 16:18.31 | dataw0lf | when I ETSed, I seriously slept for like 2 days |
| 16:18.36 | dataw0lf | obviously, that was a mental thing |
| 16:18.44 | dataw0lf | but hopefully it paints a picture of what it's like |
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| 16:19.39 | Lone_Wanderer | ETSed? |
| 16:19.59 | dataw0lf | end time of service |
| 16:20.06 | dataw0lf | when your active duty is up |
| 16:20.17 | Greygnome | Gotta love military acronyms. |
| 16:20.20 | Lone_Wanderer | oh ok |
| 16:21.13 | dataw0lf | hey CPT let's go to the MKT and grab an MRE and make sure we don't get pulled for KP because that'd be FUBAR |
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| 16:51.17 | dataw0lf | close enough |
| 16:51.24 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 16:51.44 | xilch|w | I just have to tuck in a few naughty bits |
| 16:51.59 | Lone_Wanderer | or get them cut off |
| 16:52.04 | Lone_Wanderer | for a more permanent solution |
| 16:52.08 | xilch|w | not an option |
| 16:52.22 | dataw0lf | speaking of |
| 16:52.26 | dataw0lf | how's the kid doing, xilch|w ? |
| 16:52.27 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 16:52.36 | xilch|w | good |
| 16:52.46 | xilch|w | he's so the cute |
| 16:55.39 | dataw0lf | true |
| 16:55.50 | dataw0lf | we're definitely going to have to have a movie night some time. |
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| 17:34.48 | Lone_Wanderer | okay this is weird |
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| 17:35.16 | Lone_Wanderer | is it possible to set directory permissions such that apache can include a php file inside of it, but can't interpret it as php? |
| 17:35.47 | Lone_Wanderer | no... that wouldn't be it, the directory permissions are right |
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| 17:54.50 | Lone_Wanderer | hmmm |
| 17:54.53 | Lone_Wanderer | you there dataw0lf ? |
| 17:55.36 | Lone_Wanderer | actually, this probably isn't the right place to ask divisive political questions |
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| 19:54.56 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: join #urapug for political discussion |
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