| 00:11.07 | Epilog | macnewbold: got it; let x_col = col(".") |
| 00:11.07 | Epilog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.08 | Epilog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.08 | Epilog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.08 | Epilog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.14 | Epilog | sorry for the flood |
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| 00:26.58 | macnewbold | Epilog: what language is that? |
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| 01:07.02 | Epilog | macnewbold: vim . its my SetDate() |
| 01:07.19 | Epilog | macnewbold: on buffwrite |
| 01:07.31 | macnewbold | ah |
| 01:07.32 | macnewbold | :) |
| 01:07.50 | macnewbold | I thought you were talking about doing it in php, not in vim, so I was quite lost :) |
| 01:08.00 | macnewbold | but now I get it |
| 01:26.07 | Epilog | macnewbold: its a function that runs when ever I save my php doc that sets the date of the last modification and returns to the save spot |
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| 05:19.56 | bigdog_ut | evenin all |
| 05:20.11 | bigdog_ut | anyone have a chance to attend the eclipse meeting? |
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| 15:12.59 | kryp71k_ | huh. The user count in here has gone down |
| 15:13.06 | kryp71k_ | probably just a winter thing |
| 15:13.12 | kryp71k_ | =P |
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| 15:42.44 | wps | has anyone had any problems connecting to GoogleTalk accounts? |
| 15:47.08 | Utah_Dave | I'm connected to GoogleTalk right now |
| 15:47.41 | Utah_Dave | It seems to be working fine for me |
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| 16:12.36 | wps | ah, the server setting went blank some how |
| 16:12.39 | wps | it's working now |
| 16:47.17 | wps | why do people white the hard drive acronym as HDD? |
| 16:47.23 | wps | what is the second D? |
| 16:47.50 | Utah_Dave | Hard Disk Drive |
| 16:48.12 | Utah_Dave | I think |
| 16:50.20 | wps | so to say "The HDD will constantly spin when connected to the PC," would be incorrect |
| 16:50.40 | wps | because it's the disk that's spinning and not the drive/ |
| 16:50.49 | wps | s///?/ |
| 16:51.03 | wps | ha ha… I was wondering if jbot would understand that |
| 16:51.06 | wps | didn't think so |
| 16:54.41 | macnewbold | yes and no |
| 16:55.36 | macnewbold | it's commonly understood that when a HDD spins, it's not the whole drive, but just the disk that is spinning... kind of like when a turntable is spinning, it's not the whole device, just the parts that are intended to spin :) |
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| 18:10.10 | wps | I don't understand why the world is so obsessed with dual-booting and virtual systems |
| 18:11.36 | macnewbold | it makes your computer more versatile |
| 18:11.42 | macnewbold | do you need a different reason? |
| 18:11.45 | fungus | I agree it has become an obsession to many, but there are many good uses. |
| 18:11.49 | macnewbold | I don't want to buy two pcs just to run two OSs |
| 18:11.56 | fungus | Example. Nelson BeeBe at the U. |
| 18:12.01 | wps | why do you need more than one OS? |
| 18:12.10 | fungus | Example: Me. Windows for WoW, and FreeBSD for everything else. |
| 18:12.11 | macnewbold | cause not everything works under every os |
| 18:12.20 | wps | then fix it |
| 18:12.22 | macnewbold | ~fungus++ |
| 18:12.32 | macnewbold | the people who can fix it often don't care to |
| 18:12.42 | wps | we should put our efforts into standards and not hacking square pegs into round holes |
| 18:13.15 | macnewbold | there are good reasons for having different OSs |
| 18:13.19 | fungus | Until the day that all holes are round, we will have to start learning to modify pegs. |
| 18:13.23 | macnewbold | and it isn't practical to make everything work everywhere |
| 18:14.48 | wps | sure, but why would you want to boot your system down and back into another environment? |
| 18:15.22 | macnewbold | I personally don't |
| 18:15.35 | macnewbold | but if I need to run something that only runs on a different OS, |
| 18:15.37 | wps | excuse me: "boot down" isn't proper |
| 18:15.44 | macnewbold | I have two choices |
| 18:15.46 | Utah_Dave | well, I usually run ubuntu on my laptop, but when I'm at work there are several apps I have to use that are Windows only |
| 18:16.01 | macnewbold | a) do it on a different computer (in many cases, not possible or convenient) |
| 18:16.11 | macnewbold | b) reboot into a different OS on my dual-booting box |
| 18:16.34 | wps | I consider remote (VNC) desktop much, much more convenient and speedy than virtuals or dual booting |
| 18:19.24 | wps | and I don't think that price is a viable option… a virtual OS with license costs just as much as a basic dell with the OS already on it |
| 18:19.39 | wps | s/option/reason/ |
| 18:35.15 | macnewbold | wps: but for VNC, you still have to have a second machine |
| 18:35.23 | macnewbold | many don't have, can't have, or don't want to have a second box |
| 18:36.09 | macnewbold | wps: cost depends too, for an expensive VMWare setup, you'd be buying the convenience of being able to do it all in one box, without rebooting |
| 18:36.18 | macnewbold | but dual booting is free |
| 18:36.31 | macnewbold | if you buy a windows box, you have that half all ready |
| 18:36.40 | macnewbold | setting up linux/FreeBSD to dual boot on it is free too |
| 18:36.59 | macnewbold | so it is the lowest cost option I know of for running multiple OSs |
| 18:37.05 | macnewbold | when you need to run different programs |
| 18:37.37 | macnewbold | I do agree with you though that the frenzy over dual booting and virtual servers is mostly unwarranted. I wouldn't ever want to dual boot unless I absolutely had to. |
| 18:42.21 | wps | right and also my other point that it would be a lot better use of time (in my opinion) for programmers to fix crappy software/OSs and/or making their stuff platform independent instead of working on virtuals, emulators, and hacked-together solutions |
| 18:43.26 | wps | example: improving open office instead of working on WINE |
| 18:55.29 | macnewbold | eh, yes and no |
| 18:55.43 | macnewbold | improving openoffice won't help you run Warcraft3 on your computer |
| 18:56.06 | jsmith | But them again, if you're not wasting time playing Warcraft3, you'll have more time to improve OpenOffice :-) |
| 18:56.17 | macnewbold | ~bonk jsmith |
| 18:56.18 | jbot | ACTION bonks jsmith over the head |
| 18:56.19 | wps | sure |
| 19:01.55 | wps | to each his own of course |
| 19:02.30 | wps | there isn't any software that I need that doesn't run on my system |
| 19:02.46 | macnewbold | lucky |
| 19:03.20 | wps | well, no one forces anyone to do anything |
| 19:03.21 | wps | that's my point |
| 19:03.32 | wps | the public needs to demand more |
| 19:03.37 | macnewbold | right, but if I _want_ to play warcraft (for example), I _have_ to use windows to do it |
| 19:03.37 | wps | and say no |
| 19:04.22 | macnewbold | if the public demanded that Blizzard make Warcraft work on OSX and Linux, it would cost much more than I would be willing to pay for it |
| 19:04.36 | macnewbold | I'd rather have them keep costs low in exchange for needing to play it on windows |
| 19:05.03 | wps | understood |
| 19:05.09 | wps | I think that a game isn't a good example |
| 19:05.25 | macnewbold | games are the biggest reason why most linux geeks I know dual boot |
| 19:05.42 | macnewbold | (among the ones that dual boot, games are the biggest reason why, I think) |
| 19:06.13 | wps | yeah, most of my comments stemmed from people wanting to dual boot Mac OS and Microsoft Windows |
| 19:06.23 | wps | because they want Mac OS but have to have their Microsoft Windows apps |
| 19:06.42 | macnewbold | in that case, I'd rather have two boxes |
| 19:06.49 | wps | or just one! |
| 19:06.53 | macnewbold | trying to run Windows on Apple hardware is blasphemy |
| 19:06.57 | wps | why do you need Microsoft Windows? |
| 19:07.11 | macnewbold | because they want to run a windows program |
| 19:07.14 | macnewbold | end of story |
| 19:07.38 | jsmith | Why would you want Apple hardware? |
| 19:07.51 | macnewbold | if you don't have any windows programs you like/want/need to run, then you won't understand why people dual boot |
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| 20:53.27 | kryp71k_ | sup macnewbold |
| 20:53.28 | kryp71k_ | :D |
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| 21:32.40 | kryp71k_ | awwwww =) |
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| 23:33.50 | Utah_Dav1 | has anybody here tried the PHP on Trax? |
| 23:34.28 | synic | o_O |
| 23:41.25 | jsmith | Nope... |
| 23:41.31 | jsmith | Never heard of it |
| 23:41.47 | Utah_Dav1 | me neither, until I got the UPHPU meeting announcement. |
| 23:42.13 | jsmith | Hhhmmmm...... I'll have to check that out when I get a free second. |
| 23:42.13 | Utah_Dav1 | might take a look at it this week |
| 23:42.34 | Utah_Dav1 | anyway, later everyone |
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| 23:52.01 | macnewbold | hmm... PHP on Trax - sounds like working during the morning commute... |
| 23:53.25 | jsmith | Always made me motion sick. |